Vauxhall Astra GTE vs Ford Escort: '80s Shootout

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Fifth Gear

8 жыл бұрын

In this weeks #ThrowbackThursday we revisit a special Shootout between two iconic cars from the '80s.
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@BillyJRacing
@BillyJRacing 8 жыл бұрын
Fifth Gear needs to do more of these Throwback comparisons!
@LukeGB003
@LukeGB003 3 жыл бұрын
@Karl Juice how old are you?
@iantownsend5480
@iantownsend5480 8 жыл бұрын
Got to love a old school hot hatch
@caeserromero3013
@caeserromero3013 3 жыл бұрын
My dad had a black GTE when I was a kid. With the digital speedo, I felt like Knightrider. It was the first car I was ever in at 100mph (for about 10 seconds until mum screamed at dad to slow down!) 😂
@bigal6352
@bigal6352 3 жыл бұрын
Every kid remembers his first 100mph run like it's a rite of passage. Mine was in a series 1 E-Type coupe Jag on the M6 coming back from a motor show at the NEC in Birmingham back in the late 80's. The old man had borrowed the car from his boss (they worked in the classic car restoration business and had a stand there) and was telling me all about how it could hit 150mph back in the day. Like any over eager kid, I was egging him on to make the old girl do it, but fully aware that my mum in the passenger seat would scream blue murder, he kept giving the sensible 'no son, it's illegal' answer...whilst ever so slowly building up the speed. The beauty of that E-Type was that the engine was so smooth and so unlaboured that when my old man fixed his eyes on me in the rear view mirror and gave me a subtle, knowing nod towards the speedo, my mum with her head stuck in a copy of some typical mum magazine never had any idea that we were bombing along nudging 110mph and climbing. Then we hit Stoke and with Stoke comes traffic. I know we were tickling 120mph by then, but from there on in until the rest of the way home, it was usual motorway speeds, But for a good few miles prior to that we were travelling at well over the ton, splashing everything in sight for at least a couple of junctions. To me, in terms of ambition, popping my ton cherry in an E-Type was up there with snogging the fittest girl in school at the leavers party in later years. Sadly, only one of those ambitions was ever achieved. The other failed miserably and embarrassingly.
@jlc5639
@jlc5639 3 жыл бұрын
Heheh my old man had a red one. Two actually. Both were stolen, the second one was recovered.
@1superocky1
@1superocky1 3 жыл бұрын
Had exact same car .
@wessmith3161
@wessmith3161 3 жыл бұрын
The Escort was a quick car but those engines were rough units, the Vauxhall units were far superior in every aspect.
@dazspurs9899
@dazspurs9899 3 жыл бұрын
I agree the Ford CVH unit wasn’t great
@craivold
@craivold 3 жыл бұрын
Massive Ford fan here. Had an XR2i that I loved and had a lot of mates with CVH turbo cars but got to agree, that engine was as rough as Camilla Parker Bowles after a night on the tiles with Charles 😆
@dazspurs9899
@dazspurs9899 3 жыл бұрын
@@craivold it still felt like a massive upgrade coming from those Kent pushrod units haha
@zrsfocus8888
@zrsfocus8888 Жыл бұрын
Might be rough but my xr3i has been reliable and coming over 200k on its original mfi engine from 1987. Can’t say I’ve seen a gte with near the millage
@exgtt2061
@exgtt2061 Жыл бұрын
The motor was a dog in the RS but nothing epitomised the 90’s car scene more than a CVH turbo with a 3in exhaust and the boost wound up. Glorious sound from the rear. The Astras Redtop was ahead of its time and a legend in its own right…
@povey1979
@povey1979 3 жыл бұрын
i have a S2 rs turbo since i was 17 now 40 now my weekend car . used to piss over golf gtis and GTE back in the day .. fully restored 3 years ago bare shell looks amazing still puts a smile on my face .
@bzilla1090
@bzilla1090 Жыл бұрын
In South Africa we had the Opel Kadett 2.0 GSI Superboss homologation special which made between 165-170HP, they were designed to challenge the BMW 325Is Evo 2 homologation cars, they were real monsters on track and came with a trick diff, Cosworth head, hand ported by Keith Duckworth, 276° Schrick Cams(7000RPM red line), Promotec remapped ECU's, and Irmscher suspension. True Unicorn cars out here and they sell for a pretty penny.
@johnm6587
@johnm6587 3 жыл бұрын
Loved watching this!! Could do a full show idea on this concept!!! Renault 5 gt... uno turbo.... xr2.... golf gti 16v.... Renault 19 16v. God I miss my youth!
@whoarewe7515
@whoarewe7515 2 жыл бұрын
And the vaxhall Nova sri
@whoarewe7515
@whoarewe7515 2 жыл бұрын
Peugeot 1.9 gti
@haendel2004
@haendel2004 8 жыл бұрын
Tiff drifted the Vauxhall so many times that it couldn't be faster.
@allothernamesbutthis
@allothernamesbutthis 3 жыл бұрын
damp track and tyres?
@divljacina1
@divljacina1 3 жыл бұрын
Hahha i love the same comment on other video hahah
@allothernamesbutthis
@allothernamesbutthis 3 жыл бұрын
@Jambo lift off and bury the throttle used to sort that out on mine 🙂
@imtheonetosayit3657
@imtheonetosayit3657 3 жыл бұрын
We have astras in Australia terrible cars. Those RS escorts looks so good
@esssexboy
@esssexboy 7 ай бұрын
I don't normally like Vauxhall's but on this occasion the Astra GTE wins hands down. Better engine , better build quality
@rickerbyct
@rickerbyct 2 жыл бұрын
The Escort was a German car not British. Most of the design and development was done in Cologne and it was signed off at the Lommel test track in Belgium. If you bought a fleet spec L or GL it might have been assembled at Halewood but this RS will have been built at Saarlouis in the Rhineland.
@DarrenH_76
@DarrenH_76 Жыл бұрын
like wise, while ellesmere port were building nearly all of the uk astras from sheet metal, every one of the 16v gte were uk specific models built in bochum west germany and imported
@fredschriks8554
@fredschriks8554 6 жыл бұрын
Opel Kadett GSi 2.0 16V, still a monster. (Vauxhall Astra GTE)
@johnhewitt8658
@johnhewitt8658 3 жыл бұрын
Just needed some stiffer lower springs on the GTE and it transformed its handling. Brilliant cars
@s727r
@s727r 9 ай бұрын
My mate did that with his and it kept the rear end in, along with strut braces front and rear as the astra chassis wasn't quite as firm, that and a set of 205s on the axles and it was a different animal.
@mipmipmipmipmip
@mipmipmipmipmip 8 жыл бұрын
this is a great video. no cinematographic tricks for added drama, just a good driver in fun cars
@michaelrawson6261
@michaelrawson6261 3 жыл бұрын
Astra GTE. EVERY... SINGLE... TIME...
@djdeejdjay8669
@djdeejdjay8669 3 жыл бұрын
Yep.
@jspesh
@jspesh 8 жыл бұрын
Comfiest seats ever in that escort, lovely recaros
@nigeh5326
@nigeh5326 4 жыл бұрын
Back in the early 80s a good set of fishnet recaros were v much desired by boy racers for mk2 Escorts
@JTV84
@JTV84 3 жыл бұрын
beautiful to look at too. the seats and everything else about it, except the steering wheel.
@freddieparrydrums
@freddieparrydrums 3 жыл бұрын
Thumbnail cars: E785 DAN is SORN and hasn’t had MOT for 4 years, only had 55k miles. H544 RYG is SORN but still has MOT for another 6 months with 38k miles!
@minorearthmajorsky1476
@minorearthmajorsky1476 3 жыл бұрын
Vauxhall heritage centre looking after the gte well
@jlc5639
@jlc5639 3 жыл бұрын
Such a nerd thing to do Freddie Boi, and we appreciate it very much, cheers.
@freddieparrydrums
@freddieparrydrums 3 жыл бұрын
@@jlc5639 That’s me in a nutshell, no problem :)
@isaacsrandomvideos667
@isaacsrandomvideos667 2 жыл бұрын
Best thing to do when your bored: check reg’s up 😂
@freddieparrydrums
@freddieparrydrums 2 жыл бұрын
@@isaacsrandomvideos667 You got it! 😄
@SabreLilly.
@SabreLilly. 8 жыл бұрын
I wish I could drive like that
@co1581
@co1581 7 жыл бұрын
SabreLilly which one?
@guitarfoundry
@guitarfoundry 6 жыл бұрын
yeah, Tiff is a world class driver, no arguments there.
@JETJOOBOY
@JETJOOBOY 3 жыл бұрын
Like an old bloke in an angry dad's work hack- No . You really do not want your wish to come true
@mikeh2006
@mikeh2006 3 жыл бұрын
You can, but you might crash
@resnonverba137
@resnonverba137 3 жыл бұрын
That result was a surprise. Not so much as a surprise as that unforgiving circuit they were being driven on though. Great stuff.
@davejohn1588
@davejohn1588 Жыл бұрын
I have owned both an Opel Kadett GSI and an Escort RS Turbo. Both were special. The Kadett GSI was my first car. The RS Turbo, well, because it was an RS Turbo. Both nice cars. Both very different. Miss them both.
@markfindlay8636
@markfindlay8636 3 жыл бұрын
I had the Astra gte 1989 , good times.
@simonturner10
@simonturner10 3 жыл бұрын
The Astra was a complete animal compared to the RS
@djdeejdjay8669
@djdeejdjay8669 3 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised I'm still alive after owning my one!
@_dude..
@_dude.. 3 жыл бұрын
Lucky the Escort didn't rust away before the end of the clip.
@deanj846
@deanj846 3 жыл бұрын
What? The mk 2 astra had a 24hr rear wheel arch corrosion warranty that started the day before you picked it up lol,they rusted for fun.
@friktionrc
@friktionrc 3 жыл бұрын
@@deanj846 true...majority of Vauxhalls from that era were kak....and dont get me started on the Cavalier 🤢🤢🤢 lol.
@ReValveiT_01
@ReValveiT_01 3 жыл бұрын
All cars were shite for rust back then. Only Peugeot were galvanising.
@friktionrc
@friktionrc 3 жыл бұрын
@@ReValveiT_01 I dunno about that...the only car we owned that rusted was a Cavalier...not even the Alegro we had, suffered from that...infact the opposite, when it rained pools of water would form in the rear passenger footwell lol 🤷‍♂️
@jjharson7344
@jjharson7344 3 жыл бұрын
@@ReValveiT_01 Ford did offer a gypsum anti rust paint as an extra in 1983 & 84 that I know of - my Dad took this option on his granny (Granada) (he had 4 at one time 2 of them were X pack models, but this one wasn't), it was a bright red 2.3ltr ghia - that thing we had for about 10 years, when we finally sold it, it was one of the only versions that did not have the rust bubbles around the keyholes and under the rubber seals etc...... they guy that bought it did not even try to drag us down on the price (as we had a couple of interests lined up afterwards), he literally loved the car straight away I wished we kept it - would have been worth a fortune now, more people should have taken Ford up on the offer back then, the cars would be in better condition for today! but yeah every car prior to the nineties were rust buckets in general, most in the nineties too....
@SuccessShared
@SuccessShared 3 жыл бұрын
I had a Mk 1 GTE new when they first came out and I loved it! My mate had one too and we used to go out looking to blow away GTI's lol! Then I had this GTE 16v and had the motor breathed on. It was great in the dry!!
@wils35
@wils35 3 жыл бұрын
Mk1 GTE was quicker than Mk2 as standard.
@AetiusPraetorian
@AetiusPraetorian 3 жыл бұрын
Both great cars. I was lucky enough to own a 1989 Kadett GSi16v here in Germany. Real autobahn cruiser.
@simonbittersweet8916
@simonbittersweet8916 3 жыл бұрын
My friend drove me to Southampton in his gte to swap it with a lotus carlton that was about 20 years ago now those was the days
@djdeejdjay8669
@djdeejdjay8669 3 жыл бұрын
The lotus Carlton was and still is a very special car! All individually numbered inside the glovebox lid.
@Daniel-wb4lr
@Daniel-wb4lr 3 жыл бұрын
That escort with DAN on the plate, I had an 1988 ford orion with E710DAN.
@tonyball3927
@tonyball3927 3 жыл бұрын
I will have the Vauxhall please
@lampshade9323
@lampshade9323 4 жыл бұрын
I used to have a mk4 RST and my mate had the GTE. Never had a straight race but mine was the quicker at the lights when it finally hit its boost, still always liked the astra as well tho with it's high tech digi dash, great times.
@djdeejdjay8669
@djdeejdjay8669 3 жыл бұрын
Lol...utter rubbish...the escort is over a second slower 0-60...fact!
@lampshade9323
@lampshade9323 3 жыл бұрын
@@djdeejdjay8669 That was my youth, why you we used to race about in standard cars?
@mattylamb9194
@mattylamb9194 Жыл бұрын
@@djdeejdjay8669 - Escort may have been quicker from say 0-40 mph though?
@6bigears135
@6bigears135 Жыл бұрын
​@@djdeejdjay8669 not with turbosystems 2 stage boost control and bigger intercooler bye bye
@craigconey9971
@craigconey9971 6 ай бұрын
@@6bigears135turbo the 20xe bye bye
@stevenross-watt8640
@stevenross-watt8640 3 жыл бұрын
Before I chipped my RsTurbo my friends GTE 16V faster at the top end of the speed range. Then things changed. Great rivals back in the day :).
@Pablo-sr2zx
@Pablo-sr2zx 3 жыл бұрын
I would still go for the old 80-90s hot hatches compared to today's cars they were super cool can't beat them
@sambrooks7862
@sambrooks7862 3 жыл бұрын
They had character mate. Todays cars are sterile.
@trajanaugustus8783
@trajanaugustus8783 5 жыл бұрын
I drove the 1990 Kadett GSi16v and have to say it was a beast. The Golf II's were no match for it in performance. The Escort turbo was a real power house as well. The problem with the Escort turbo it had no catalyst (emissions control) so was disqualified in tests against the 1991 Kadett GSi16v and the Golf II GTI16v which both were more "modern" than the old school Escort turbo.
@oliverbrows
@oliverbrows 8 жыл бұрын
my first car whas a kadett 2l gsi 16....and this was a real good car... very powerfull
@Druzian
@Druzian 8 жыл бұрын
miss my "kadette" aka Astra GTE
@Rottensteam
@Rottensteam 8 жыл бұрын
I tried on of those some years ago, it was a hoot to drive!
@tedtheturbot
@tedtheturbot 4 жыл бұрын
had a silver one in 1994 she did 90 mph in third
@neilurwin9670
@neilurwin9670 3 жыл бұрын
Lovely Cars All The Best Everyone.
@andrewnorris5415
@andrewnorris5415 3 жыл бұрын
Tiff has a uniquely playful way of getting the rear out. I could spot him driving a car just by the way he was driving!
@mightress
@mightress 3 жыл бұрын
Still love my kadett gte 16v. (Vauxhall) still can surprise modern cars with it.
@onsomebits7486
@onsomebits7486 3 жыл бұрын
Steering wheel nearly coming off in that escort 😂
@Langers69er
@Langers69er 4 жыл бұрын
Was this filmed around millbrook handling circuit?
@ferrochinabisleri1587
@ferrochinabisleri1587 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know in UK, but here in Italy this was the last Kadett model.Then Astra came out.
@richhughes7450
@richhughes7450 Жыл бұрын
The Gte would eat that RST in a straight line.. Top end was also much higher. I chewed up and spat out 2 RSTs back in 96. The time comparison would be different depending on the driver.
@hutchy1111
@hutchy1111 2 жыл бұрын
Any hot hatch review is unfortunately tailored to the Brand who pays you much! A lesson in life 😉
@sciroccomods
@sciroccomods 3 жыл бұрын
Mine had a stage 2 chip, piper t2 cam, turbo technics stage 2 hybrid turbo, ported and gasket matched head, ran 14psi boost and drank petrol, sold 20y ago.
@paulreeve1434
@paulreeve1434 3 жыл бұрын
My 21st birthday I had the day at the Jim Russell racing at donington in the gte , I loved the Astra and bought one a couple of years later j637 bnn
@liverush24
@liverush24 8 жыл бұрын
I've been in both but driven neither, and personally prefer the GTE.
@andisadler2897
@andisadler2897 5 жыл бұрын
Ive been in both. RS Turbo is shite. I had an old Prelude non turbo which beat that. 133bhp is crap for a turbo.
@andisadler2897
@andisadler2897 3 жыл бұрын
@Joshua Francis lol RS turbo is 133bhp idiot. Prelude 160bhp. 133? My rubber duck in bath is more than that. Facts are facts though....rs turbo are wank Was u there? No, nowere evem close. Fookin Rs fanboy.. He will still think 133bhp would beat 160bhp? Hahahahabababa. Stick to Playstation.
@azlean5323
@azlean5323 3 жыл бұрын
@Joshua Francis I've got a Astra Bertone with the Z18XE running around 145bhp with modifications, the slowest engine fitted to a Bertone and performance figures match a stock RS Turbo.
@azlean5323
@azlean5323 3 жыл бұрын
@Joshua Francis It's not a powerful car by no means but my car standard is only 10bhp less than the RS Turbo 👍🏻 still love the RS Turbo 😁
@ElleyElley-et4ky
@ElleyElley-et4ky 3 жыл бұрын
I had a 16vGTE 1990 model in 1993, fantastic cars, no idea where Tiff says 148BHP, the 16v GTE was just on 160BHP. Escort RS was a good car undoubtedly driven many, but the GTE 16v for me, far far better tech and engine. Saying that, era I had my Astra the Japanese nuts were coming through with the GT4 Celica and the Mk4 Supra Turbo, COMPLETELY different animals but out my price league that era.
@wrcchris
@wrcchris 8 жыл бұрын
I loved my 90 spec escort RS turbo
@theboatgoat
@theboatgoat 8 жыл бұрын
FUN! Woudl love to see a battle between all the 80's bad boys! MK2 16v Golf Escort RS Turbo Renault 65 GT Turbo Astra GTE could even throw an E30 M3
@todareistodo908
@todareistodo908 5 жыл бұрын
Add the 205 1.9 GTI 🤪
@coffeeboyclips1973
@coffeeboyclips1973 4 жыл бұрын
Add the crx vtec
@wils35
@wils35 3 жыл бұрын
Hatch backs only. take out the M3.
@wils35
@wils35 3 жыл бұрын
@@todareistodo908 1.6 was better
@wils35
@wils35 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting Fact. When the newer model of each hatchback came out, The Peugeot 206 GTi was the only one faster than it's previous model. To the guys that love Mk2 Golf GTi's (me included), Try the 206 GTi, Same weight more or less, Similar power, both 64% front weight dist.
@deanofthevale3193
@deanofthevale3193 3 жыл бұрын
Series 1 rs turbo looked loads better! 👌👍
@Expara80
@Expara80 Жыл бұрын
Remember racing my mate me in the RS turbo mate in a GTE 130mph in a 30 zone the days.
@gavla3550
@gavla3550 3 жыл бұрын
"This Vauxhalls very own cherished version" Hoons it round the track like a man possessed. 🙈🙄
@lucian6395
@lucian6395 3 жыл бұрын
Its still a car owned by a company, so I dont think he would feel that guilty
@williammcphee8760
@williammcphee8760 3 жыл бұрын
Remember my big brother introduced me to handbrake turns in a black RS turbo
@image108
@image108 6 жыл бұрын
The vauxhall had much more class... and it wasn't a huge job to improve the handling.. I really miss mine
@markdean3217
@markdean3217 3 жыл бұрын
My 16v Astra was 158 bhp
@PillSharks
@PillSharks 3 жыл бұрын
Peco exhaust on the GTE..,what a combination!! Also, if you pulled the standard gearbox out and put the F16 (think that’s the one) it increased the top end...believe it or not I hit 130mph in my old GTE!
@simonturner10
@simonturner10 3 жыл бұрын
you wanted the F28 mate over 150
@leftmono1016
@leftmono1016 3 жыл бұрын
Mine was good for over 140mph. Nearly got pinched for it too, very lucky for me that another car pulled into the fast lane ahead of me and I had to back off. Just before a speed trap on the M1 near Leeds. Copper said I averaged 92mph through the speed trap and was on the brakes all the way through. Loved that car!
@PillSharks
@PillSharks 3 жыл бұрын
@@leftmono1016 I take it that was 16vrs? me and my mate had the 1.8 and were the rare 4 doors...we would both race each other around Bristol and the surrounding areas and would get reported to the police on a regular basis, back then most of the coppers had Peugeot diesel and by the time they warmed their heater plugs up we’d be a mile down the road lol When they did finally catch up when we were normally parked up they would tell us about all the complains and just give us a producer and give us a bollocking, they’d probably shoot you nowadays!
@leftmono1016
@leftmono1016 3 жыл бұрын
@@PillSharks - funny you mention Peugeots, I went from a 306 D Turbo company car to the 2.0l 16v GTE. Quite a step up in performance! Loved the LCD display, and the red top engine was pretty much bullet proof.
@PillSharks
@PillSharks 3 жыл бұрын
@@leftmono1016 I’ve still got the original 1.8 engine in my garage from the car I had, the cars itself is long gone after the lad I sold it to decided to have a go at dukes of hazard and took it off a local railway bridge at over 70mph, luckily they all survived but he had some bad face injuries I remember! The LCD dash was fun as you could change it to kilometres which made you look like you were doing 180mph to anyone in the car who didn’t know! Lol. The good old days
@oscartarari875
@oscartarari875 8 жыл бұрын
Pleaseeeeeeeee make a comparation between a golf mk3 16v and the astra Gsi 16v pleaseeeeeee
@djdeejdjay8669
@djdeejdjay8669 3 жыл бұрын
I think you mean the MK2 golf..? The MK3 was a bag of shite with the worst clutch ever!
@black5f
@black5f 3 жыл бұрын
Great times! What people forget is that the cars weighed less than a ton. These were lively and agile monsters. A modern BMW1 would need 270 proper bhp, measured in the same way? to come anywhere near the power to weight ratio? I went the Opel route, a 2 litre Manta, I WISH I still had her. But I don't. so with old age coming on ... I have a '96 Z28, a "yank tank" that weighs a lot less than a Focus?.
@DavidJohnston58
@DavidJohnston58 4 жыл бұрын
My unmodified GTE would (and often did) leave an unmodified RS in its dust back in the day, even my SRi would hold its own with an RS.
@superseven7947
@superseven7947 3 жыл бұрын
Had a mk3 gte and it was head and shoulders above any mk3 ecsort
@fatwalletboy2
@fatwalletboy2 3 жыл бұрын
Think the escorts were 25bhp down on the 16v astra so wouldnt be surprised. Thats a huge difference back in the day.
@andyhunt457
@andyhunt457 3 жыл бұрын
Astra had a racing engine....cheating???😂
@paultaylor5502
@paultaylor5502 Жыл бұрын
The 16v motor was fantastic, torque and great top end power all the way to 7k. The CVH was an absolute dog, better in turbo form where you could use the mid range as it was done by 5k. Owned both, if only the RS had the GTE engine.
@kjb8321
@kjb8321 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. My Dad had an Orion Ghia with the CVH and it was nothing but trouble engine-wise. Shame, as the rest of the car was pretty sound at the time
@pokerclown7922
@pokerclown7922 3 жыл бұрын
This generation of hot hatches was the best
@Dannydawson537
@Dannydawson537 3 жыл бұрын
Astra all day long !! the turbo escort had far to heavy steering and super slow in comparison to the 16v Astra I had loads of them
@Gixx-im8hs
@Gixx-im8hs 3 жыл бұрын
I had a G reg red top in Monaco Blue before the Ecotech came on the H. Amazing beast and would beat the RS all day
@djdeejdjay8669
@djdeejdjay8669 3 жыл бұрын
The Astra was power assisted steering which meant it was just as light at steering at 30mph as it was at 130mph....bad set up if you asked me coz it scared the crap out of me!
@noneofyourbuisness2539
@noneofyourbuisness2539 3 жыл бұрын
NA > Turbo for the best driving feel for me. You can't beat the feeling when the majority of your power is top end, though turbos are better for those lazy overtakes on the motorway at mid range, when you're on a track they (generally) lose their puff and leave you disappointed.
@mattylamb9194
@mattylamb9194 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I prefer naturally aspirated too
@sporkfindus4777
@sporkfindus4777 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a GM guy, my dad had a mk1 Astra 1300S estate, and my uncle had a white Astra mk2 GTE 16v just like this one with a digital speedo BUT I had a mk4 Escort as my first car, so I didn't mind which one won.
@redalloy
@redalloy 9 ай бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong but that looks like an xr31 spoiler. The rs turbo one lipped down on the ends.
@noodlebike
@noodlebike Жыл бұрын
Were there any Escorts that did not have wrinkled lining on the windscreen pillars!
@mricemantoyou
@mricemantoyou 3 жыл бұрын
Just wondering if they were both in standard tune? The escort may have been running a bit of extra boost for example
@richarddutchholland4780
@richarddutchholland4780 3 жыл бұрын
Trevor England The RS having a LSD will make it faster on a damp track. Long straights and the GTE will be faster but wet twisty stuff the RS wins hands down...
@Deeky76
@Deeky76 Жыл бұрын
Both these motors were bloody awesome
@aston-martin-internationalist
@aston-martin-internationalist 4 жыл бұрын
The only thing wrong with the Astra GTE 16v was the handling which is easily fixed with more modern dampers and thicker anti roll bars, everything else the car excels in over the Escort. The Escort RS Turbo is very retro-cool, the Astra ever so slightly more so and looks like it's going fast even when it's stood still. I don't understand how or why the values of the RS Turbo have shot up over the GTE 16v. The 20XE engine in the Astra has a long racing heritage from the WRC and BTCC, it's a dynamic and strong engine. The car is more advanced and better equipped than the Escort. They both have similar levels of dowdy 80s build quality and materials and the dash and switch gear in the Astra is terrible (digital dash aside), they also rust about the same (both terrible). I like both of them though, they're the epitome of 80s motoring and having driven both, I'd choose the Astra GTE 16v over the Escort RS Turbo, but love both of them! Definitely something from my childhood!
@s727r
@s727r 9 ай бұрын
Same here GTE all the way, my mate had 16v and my ex gf and i had a bertone convertible GTE, 2.0 8v so not as fast as my mates but still quick.
@paulstevens9409
@paulstevens9409 3 жыл бұрын
Yes but a drag race would be better, it would show acceleration, which is what counts most out on the road
@stuartmclaren7285
@stuartmclaren7285 3 жыл бұрын
I had a s1 rs turbo fantastic car
@mattkinsella9856
@mattkinsella9856 Жыл бұрын
Having driven both in the 90s I'm not surprised by this at all. The Astra GTE felt a bit more powerful, responsive and refined in comparison to the Escort, right up until you chucked it around some corners. The Escort kind of wanted to be driven hard and foot to the floor, keeping the revs up to keep the turbo spinning. Once you got used to the Escort, it was easy to drive it at it's limit, the Astra you kind of felt a little nervous to drive it the same way because if you did it you could end up on the roof.
@robmthe1st
@robmthe1st 3 жыл бұрын
Had a GTE 16v leather edition. The engines were brilliant. So much so they were often taken out and used in other cars. The handling wasn’t so great with a lot of body roll, which was a bit hairy at times!
@simonturner10
@simonturner10 3 жыл бұрын
Leather means you had a Champion edition
@DarrenH_76
@DarrenH_76 Жыл бұрын
@@simonturner10 vauxhall didnt call them champion, the official name was leather edition. but its definitely a nickname that has stuck fast !
@bzilla1090
@bzilla1090 Жыл бұрын
In South Africa we had the Opel Kadett 2.0 GSI Superboss homologation special which made between 165-170HP, they were designed to challenge the BMW 325Is Evo 2 homologation cars, they were real monsters on track and came with a trick diff, Cosworth head, hand ported by Keith Duckworth, 276° Schrick Cams, Promotec remapped ECU's, and Irmscher suspension. True Unicorn cars out here and they sell for a pretty penny.
@JohnJohn-cu7nk
@JohnJohn-cu7nk Жыл бұрын
Yep we put them in nova SR's Moved the running gear and wheels as well.They were rocket ships and loads of fun.
@seanandlizzie
@seanandlizzie 2 жыл бұрын
Nice vid I like both cars, shame the modern cars have no style anymore or character
@asensibleyoungman2978
@asensibleyoungman2978 3 жыл бұрын
They should add that circuit to the Formula 1 calendar.
@2345bcde
@2345bcde 3 жыл бұрын
Love the 80s stuff , but I'd have to say the astra is solid , but the escort just has more personality
@aleurwal2000
@aleurwal2000 6 жыл бұрын
opel kadett gsi
@J4Z666
@J4Z666 3 жыл бұрын
Wow I had a G reg 16V GTE it was quite quick but handled like a shopping trolley. @20 something I wanted an RS but the insurance was half the price for a GTE, felt like a no brainer. I think the H reg featured may have been the very last before GM moved to the mark 3 and the replacement GSi. I feel now that the car was not great but at the time it was probably shamazing, certainly better than an XR3i.
@s727r
@s727r 9 ай бұрын
First thing most people did when they bought one was strip the stock suspension out for some harder spring and slap strut braces on, changed the car entirely.
@s727r
@s727r 9 ай бұрын
The RS turbo had it's issues, my neighbours used to shoot away when standing at junctions and he suffered multiple turbo failures. My best mates GTE was bulletproof, it. Was light, fast and had viscous acceleration. Give the astra to someone who knows how to drive you'd get a different result.
@Andyc18
@Andyc18 Ай бұрын
Tiff Needell is an ex F1 and British Touring car driver. He definitely knows how to drive! 😂
@RussellBaker
@RussellBaker 3 жыл бұрын
Had a 90 RST with the mech ABS. pain in the backside keeping the two rubber belts for the ABS sensors at the right tension. In the end traded it in for a Cav SRI as the RST just ate bearings, tyres, and everything, you name it. SRI had a much better gear shift and driveability. Ended up getting over 100K miles on the clock before needing a new exhaust and radiator on the SRI. If I had kept the RST that long, whilst I know it would have been more fun, I would have spent 4 times as much keeping it going.
@gdfggggg
@gdfggggg 3 жыл бұрын
The gbox used to explode, especially when it was 195bhp like mine.
@caltriton6904
@caltriton6904 8 ай бұрын
Gte engine in the turbo. Best of both worlds.
@1066gaz
@1066gaz 4 жыл бұрын
Astra is the fastest in a straight line but cannot match the ford in the handling stakes that's why it won. Both classics and great looking.
@nigeh5326
@nigeh5326 4 жыл бұрын
As of now ( Nov 19 ) the Escort is SORN and MOT ran out April 17. The Astra is still taxed feb 20 MOT’d aug 20
@weedaviec
@weedaviec 3 жыл бұрын
Escort's probably in dry storage with the owner awaiting them hitting £40k.
@Billythebubble
@Billythebubble 3 жыл бұрын
Love Tiff great guy
@neil.s4287
@neil.s4287 8 жыл бұрын
The MK1 GTE Astra was a nice car ,Pitty they rust and rot bad, Dont see many on the roads these days.
@louisjames1062
@louisjames1062 4 жыл бұрын
Neil S. I had a white one, insurance was at least 12 times more than it was worth and you could see through the floor pans
@stevenhearnden6103
@stevenhearnden6103 14 күн бұрын
Remember making a 16v astra gte look extremely slow in my 306 Rallye 😂
@davidknell9676
@davidknell9676 3 жыл бұрын
My stepdad brought one of these (GTE) when I was at school. I got peer promotion
@Acemanny
@Acemanny 8 жыл бұрын
sick car
@gdfggggg
@gdfggggg Жыл бұрын
The Escort was just more desirable, the Astra may have edged it as the better car but the Escort had something about it.
@scothodgson9607
@scothodgson9607 3 жыл бұрын
1989 to 2005 Stole many of them both been chased all over Yorkshire misspent youth . All makes and models
@Will-cs2hy
@Will-cs2hy 3 жыл бұрын
Put on subtitles at 3:15
@simonrhodes3815
@simonrhodes3815 3 жыл бұрын
Well my G plate RST had a LSD and ABS as standard.
@ReconTHG
@ReconTHG 8 жыл бұрын
Kadett in Europe, Astra in UK.
@user-gd2sf3ee2f
@user-gd2sf3ee2f Жыл бұрын
Во второй половине 80х Эскорт 4го поколения положил всех своих конкурентов на обе лопатки, благодаря наличию многорычажной независимой задней подвески
@SpacedOdyssey
@SpacedOdyssey 4 жыл бұрын
Be intersting to see a Corolla Gti-16v put through its paces by someone like tiff or Jason P
@twincammikev
@twincammikev 4 жыл бұрын
Yes.. I think the corrola gti would be faster than these 2.. I had one it beat the xr3 turbo easy but I never saw a gte so who knows..
@greghall6950
@greghall6950 3 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to test the rs turbo against a peugeot 205 1.9 gti around the track.
@jameswilson8820
@jameswilson8820 3 жыл бұрын
Greg hall my money would be on the Peugeot
@djdeejdjay8669
@djdeejdjay8669 3 жыл бұрын
The 1.6 205 was the one that handled the best and not the 1.9
@philnztaylor
@philnztaylor Жыл бұрын
@@djdeejdjay8669 handling yes, but acceleration, top speed and braking, no way. :-)
@JohnJohn-cu7nk
@JohnJohn-cu7nk Жыл бұрын
205 grit were the most fun as your bum was about 12 inches from the floor,like a go cart ,you could wheel spin them through every year and fur the time they gripped well .Maybe they didn't grip that well ,but you were always in a comfortable drift that you felt in control.But they were alot slower than the GTE or Escort..
@ianmitchell9102
@ianmitchell9102 2 жыл бұрын
He can drive old Tiff !! 👍🙏
@niallmackenzie99
@niallmackenzie99 3 жыл бұрын
Tiff must have been flying in that Escort as all the white touch up paint has flown off exposing all the rust.
@markr6565
@markr6565 Жыл бұрын
When cars were fun :)
@gazking08mx
@gazking08mx 3 жыл бұрын
I can tell you for a fact that even the 8v gte would leave the rs turbo standing. Owned one and been plenty of both
@stringer-ik1pc
@stringer-ik1pc 3 жыл бұрын
And the 16v was better too. 140mph.
@tonywaller5380
@tonywaller5380 3 жыл бұрын
I agree, GTE was miles better.....saw many an RST shamed back in the day......happy days them 😎
@gdfggggg
@gdfggggg 3 жыл бұрын
Not when you’re rst is 195bhp stage 2 😉
@stringer-ik1pc
@stringer-ik1pc 3 жыл бұрын
@@gdfggggg if you're talking modifications. But stock the Astra has it. (will also tune up better than the Ford)
@6bigears135
@6bigears135 3 жыл бұрын
Rs streets ahead.......look what they are worth , ive had 4 2x of each , all 200bhp ......astras are ok but not a patch
@Gorzy01
@Gorzy01 3 жыл бұрын
Soz I had the Astra GTE 16v and completely killed escort rs turbos with easz
@6bigears135
@6bigears135 3 жыл бұрын
Not with 2 stage boost ya never and a reliable 200bhp
@StephenButlerOne
@StephenButlerOne 8 жыл бұрын
Coming fron an ford household and we had an xr3i for a while I'll always favour the escort 3 door. Though my mate hot older sister had a red GTE and that was a quick car in its day. What is coincidental though is i now own a Astra GTC SRI 2L d165, and it's mid range torque with the 165 hp match with the GTC suspension set up is just brilliant and forgiving. Forgiving unlike the bonkers VXR variant.
@F4Insight-uq6nt
@F4Insight-uq6nt Жыл бұрын
The RS Turbo understeers less and that why it won. I reckon the GTE is faster in a straight line though. (Stock vs Stock)
@kennethtucker9844
@kennethtucker9844 3 жыл бұрын
And both of them would have been blown away by a Rover 200 coupe Tomcat
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