You got me wanting to break out my Attack Wing DS9, Galors, and Bug Ships. Play time...

"If the commanders do make mistakes, they'll be big ones and nobody will question them" - Because nobody will survive *TO* question them.

LONG LIVE THE UNION! I personally love Cardassian designs; from Terok Nor (Nor type stations) to the Galor and Keldon Classes. Bajorian designs are also nice, I like that look too. I think DS9 did a great job of getting us a look at the culture and designs of both - not to mention the details in the studio for making such a complete work, getting all the design elements to each and fully fleshing them out and keeping consistency, so much so that projects like Star Trek Armada III could extrapolate these elements to make convincingly realistic ships to the race. This just offers so much in the way of the idea of world building and connections to a story.

Oh this is fantastic. I absolutely love fleet doctrine/order of battle stuff like this, can’t wait for the other ones! I find it really interesting that the Cardis seem to integrate support ships like destroyers directly into even their most basic formations as a matter of course, rather than having separate units made up entirely of one ship type. Instead of being organized into different squadrons that act in support of one another, they really are tied at the hip. Really feeds back into that mentality of top-down authoritative command, as you said. Awesome stuff, and keep up the good work.

This was indeed a well thought-out and intriguing video. The Cardassians in the expanded beta canon lore have quite a more detailed fleet structure than one may initially think given the limited amount of alpha canon detail. I am also curious about some of the Cardassian ships there for while most of them are familiar given your prior videos, some I've not seen before. One thing I think you could have gone more into is the specifics of Cardassian naval and their Starfleet equals. From those in the video I would presume; Glinn=Lt., Gul=Capt., Senior Gul=Commodore, Grand Gul=Rear Adm., Jagul=Vice Adm., Legate=Adm. . Beyond that I look forward to future instalments on your elucidation of the doctrine/organization of the other major factions.

love your star trek stuff. i can feel the passion and work you put into it

I would love to know how the neat looking Star Trek Online Cardassian ships would be organized. Or just a ship chat on STO Cardassian ships in general - maybe just more ships from STO overall.

Since we're on the topic of Cardassians, I have always wondered why they didn't have cloaking tech any sooner than they did in STO during the Gamma Quadrant arc. There are at least two opportunities they had to take apart cloaking devices from the two races that were famous for using them: First is during 'The Die is Cast' when several Keldons were outfitted with Romulan cloaking devices. I'm sure technicians snooped around it despite the Romulans probably having their own guards posing as engineers around it. I have to wonder why one of those Keldons didn't conveniently have engine issues, unable to join the rest of the fleet and needing time to repair their nacelles, drive coils, or impulse units and giving time to covertly inspect the device. Second is when Dukat commandeered a B'rel and operated it during the Klingon/Cardassian war, and moved off to join the Dominion fleet upon their initial arrival, returning the B'rel to Cardassia Prime. I have absolutely no idea - outside of the Dominion's Vorta overseers discouraging any new development in Cardassian shipbuilding in favor of more Dominion vessels and the already proven Galor cruisers and Keldon subclasses. Again, I have a hard time believing that *not one* Cardassian engineer took it upon his or herself to dissect the Klingon cloaking device. Later on around the early 2400s we learn that the Cardassians have indeed developed cloaking technology, but had to engineer it themselves as no other race would give it to them. So why do you think, if we go by STO's version of history, it took so long for them to develop the tech that would have made the Galor a much more effective raiding/strike ship during the Dominion war?

Im excited man! This looks to be a great series.

This is one of your best videos to date.

Excellent video, can't wait for you to do videos on the klingon, Romulan, Dominion and Federation fleet doctrine and organisation!

I really enjoy these videos. They fill out the Star Trek lore. From what I could see on DS9 it looked like the Cardassians only had two kinds of ships and fighting was just a jumbled mess.

Another really great video I really enjoy watching your videos

Interesting concept for organization and doctrine. I particularly like the use of Army terminology for several formations, like Troop and Division.

yep, loved it. I wish this had come out first in the series.

I would love more of these

Personnel combined with signals intelligence would be a good way to help defeat the Cardassian Fleet. Find out who commands what your facing you'll know how they would react to certain situations, how they fight and how to counter them. It proves how the Maquis did so well against them.

Great Information

We need more starships that actually land on oceans to conduct surveys. Such a design would see the banana like engineering hull of the Oberth class reinforced into becoming pontoon hulls. The primary hull of the Oberth would sit on pylons fixed to the pontoons.

Haven't seen the whole thing yet but it's already interesting

LOVES THESE VIDEOS!

Thanks great subject

I believe it's stated that the 11th Order lost all 500.000 members when the klingons conquered Septimus III. So I take that to mean that a Cardassian order, when you count all personnel(space combat units, ground combat units, logistical units, maintainance and repair units, command staff units, etc.) numbers 500.000.

Very nice. Can't wait for the Romulan Imperial Fleet.

I love fleet doctine!

This is a great idea for a series.

Off topic request video. Maybe something for after you finish your dominion war series. I would love to see some numbers. Mainly for Federation but as many factions as you could. How many ships were active at start, how many at end? How many built during war and how many lost? Same for personnel. How many starfleet personnel were there? Civilian losses? And anything else you cared to come up with.

I once wrote a long rant on how most everyone completely underestimates the Cardassians and their ships based on some misconceptions. Long story short, of all the powers after the Dominion War, Cardassia was actually left in pretty damn good shape. People may not believe it, but the reality is the Treaty of Bajor left the Union and its military intact. Far less of the War was fought on Union territory than the others, aside from Cardassia Prime. And the major Cardassian shortcoming, being decades behind the Federation in technology, was rectified completely by virtue of Dominion membership. The Union is overrun by advanced Dominion technology, all left behind by the terms of the treaty, for the Cardassians to make full use of. Their fleet also suffered the least in the Final battle. It may take years to rebuild Cardassia Prime, but with advanced Dominion manufacturing techniques and a mostly intact industrial base, they'll recover much faster having to only focus on rebuilding three systems (canon names three systems occupied or taken, or badly damaged: Chintaka, Septimus and Cardassia System and only then Cardassia Prime). The Galor Type IVs were already a handful, but with greater Dominion tech integration, the Galor V and Keldon IV are more than capable of holding the line until the next generation of hybrid Dominion/Cardassian ships can be built en masse that is possibly superior to any Klingon or Romulan ship and a peer of the next gen Starfleet ships.

Been wandering this for a while, but how much is all this made up by you, and how much of it is "cannon". Either way, I'm enjoying it a lot!

Been waiting for my business partner to shut up already so I could enjoy this.... Lolol it’s true.

Can you go over why DS9 being at such a conflict prone area was so undersupported for most of the series. We were lucky to see additonal federationships ships there during conflicts. Was the federation that low on ships? I would think the region would be heavily patrolled like the neutral zone.

I had a question in the videos you used the phrase dominion fleet group alpha , is that kind of like in ww2 with army groups 3 army or in this case fleets per group, in the dominion case around 600 ships . ? Approximately

When I saw the video there was 420 likes. So, I packed a nice bowl & lit it, then saluted as I clicked like.

Where would the Cardassian Cruiser from Star Trek Birth of the federation fall within the fleet? Would it be relegated to like a rear line Duty or more of a internal policing with non-military but it's militaristic police force use or would it have some sort of a reserve role in the fleet or would these be able to still function in the main Kardashian Fleet forces in some sort of supportive escort role war with the Kardashian Cruiser from Star Trek birth of the Federation be too old I asked about this Cruiser since several of the ships that are featured in the Kardashian lineup our ships that are seen in previous Star Trek games

Where did you get all the cardi ships from? I recognize the on screen ones and a couple others but a lot I've never seen before.

What about the organization of Starfleet and the Klingon Defence Force?

That fleet configuration at 5:53 with the 3 tornen carriers and the hutet battleship which one is that?

So their doctrine isn't just to turn into flaming wreckage?

So a cardassian troop formation is usually four hidekis

Where are you getting all the ships from? From what I've watched on screen we see like... 3 classes of Cardassian ships.

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Where'd you get all this information on cardassian ships? Cause all the sources I look at are wrong

I have a question that someone in this community might actually know the answer to. During the occupation of bajor, how many and of what type of ships orbited bajor? I was thinking at least a galor line.

Where does the 864 meter hutet fit in?

What about BREEN fleet doctrine?

So the best way to cripple a Cardasian fleet is to destroy the central command ship

Anyone remember the game Star Fleet Command Orion Pirates?

The order configuration is obscenely huge

It's in videos like these that we see why only mentioning three ranks for officers on screen is not a good idea.

Opinion on dukat's rank?

I wish real DS9 would come back. I’d rather watch these episodes rather than the new trek.

RessurectedStarships has some rally interesting videos that over the various fleet doctrines. He also does some does some of SEXEIST ships in the community.

Lets talk CARDASSIAN DOCTRINE with DAMAR & his KANAR

This sounds very much like the structure of the Japanese during the WW2.

Why does every faction have carriers? I've never understood it. The humans have a rich naval tradition that would give the federation an edge. Just because we understand our world navies doesn't mean that aliens would follow the same example.

Is Battle Space a game or simulator?

Just a word of caution as you discus into tactics. "He is intelligent, but not experienced, His pattern indicates 2-dimensional thinking," -- Spock, "Wrath of Khan" 😉 You do not form a "line"; you form a plane, wall or a front. You do not encircle; you englobe. It does seriously complicates ones thinking. I guess that is why they always play 3D-Chess. LOL

Wow, never realized even with your videos how -bad- Cardassian officers were. Even with multiple decades and plenty of combat experience how little capability lower officers had. And how much that it limited their doctrine and forced them to operate around it. Apparently their command culture decided that it was simpler to make this combat doctrine rather than putting more effort into increasing training for officers to promote quality.

Can you do a fleet organization of mixed fleets of the late dominion forces ? (Cardassians+dominion+breen) And do another mixed fleet organization of the allied forces? (Romulans+federation+klingons) It seems like they adjusted the fleet compositions and tactics that would differ than from just single race fleets.