Messer versus Arming Sword: sparring with Federico Malagutti

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A few months back Federico kindly invited me and Mila over for a weekend of fencing, and during that weekend we managed to play with arming sword and messer. I really enjoyed this particular bout, and I hope you'll enjoy watching it too!
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0:00 Intro
2:13 Sparrring
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@FedericoMalagutti 2 жыл бұрын

I like the way in which you beat the crap out of that drunkard... Oh wait... F#@k...it’s me!!!!

@VirtualFechtschule 2 жыл бұрын

You mean that guy that manages to land laser-accurate thrusts on me throughout the bout? ;)

@FedericoMalagutti 2 жыл бұрын

@@VirtualFechtschule 😉

@alinvid6098 2 жыл бұрын

@@FedericoMalagutti you were also very good man ! Also I love your channel ! Of course this channel too both very informative 😊 !

@FedericoMalagutti 2 жыл бұрын

@@alinvid6098 thanks ;-)

@alinvid6098 2 жыл бұрын

@@FedericoMalagutti you're welcome ! And good luck with your channel ! Also I want to tell you I made an order for a viking sword 2 years ago and from April I own another arming sword and I learned the basics from your arming sword videos once I had my first sword 😊 so thank you very much 🙂 ! You're arming sword instructional videos are among the only ones on youtube.

@nationalsocialism3504 Жыл бұрын

The footwork of the guy in orange is top notch... most of his hits come from just being upright & stable against an off-balance opponent

@TheSinisterSwordsman 2 жыл бұрын

Two of my favorite HEMAtubers back at it again! Love the different styles on display here! Excellent grappling from both parties as well!

@VirtualFechtschule 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! :D

@andyedwards9222 5 ай бұрын

It is always a pleasure to watch two talented fighters demonstrate their art.

@secutorprimus 2 жыл бұрын

I've been looking forward to this ever since Federico started his arming sword series. Edit: your sparring videos with him are all lovely. It's no detriment to either of your skills, but the three sparring videos really highlight the different levels of time and commitment both of you have poured into each weapon. Both are highly proficient with both, but you seem to have the edge over Federico in one handed fencing, and vice versa in two handed fencing. But the ways in which you each adapt to each other's tactics are fascinating, especially since the adaptations felt very stylistically consistent throughout.

@VirtualFechtschule 2 жыл бұрын

Nice! :D

@WheatKnight 2 жыл бұрын

This is some great content guys, I had a fun watching it. I come from a backsword and sidesword background, and am just starting to dive into messer (braving Leckuchner), so watching an experienced messer-man at work is always helpful. Also applause to Federico for reversing that grapple around 7 min. Cheers, keep at it!

@VirtualFechtschule 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Enjoy going through Lecküchner. I really felt there are some things that would go really wel together with sidesword in there as well! :)

@GeekMAXX 2 жыл бұрын

Need more collabs between you two! Fantastic sparring, loved watching.

@VirtualFechtschule 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, would love to do more of this! :)

@Scott-qq9jd 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent sparring. The messerfechter even used his messer as a messer. I was impressed. I will be watching this one again, and looking into the channel.

@VirtualFechtschule 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! There's indeed plenty of messer content here, and more coming in the future. :D

@Scott-qq9jd 2 жыл бұрын

Good. Now if only there were groups that did messer in person on a regular basis. Messer instruction is hard to find.

@marcinprokop8291 Жыл бұрын

It's plainly fun to watch such sparrings!

@Cherokie89 Жыл бұрын

Oscar's style is so stylish that it's a ton of fun to watch.

@VirtualFechtschule Жыл бұрын

Thanks! :D

@jasonjames9836 2 жыл бұрын

Looks like you had lots of fun. I loved the grappling near the 7:00 mark. AND the arm trap into half sword that you (Oskar) do at 7:42. Lots of other awesome exchanges too. Great stuff!

@VirtualFechtschule 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I really enjoyed those exchanges as well. :D

@paavohirn3728 2 жыл бұрын

Beautiful form! Inspiring!

@WinnipegKnightlyArts 2 жыл бұрын

Great match guys, you both exhibited skill and variety. It's interesting to watch Oskar's more proactive approach against a more reactive counter fighter. Guarding against that Entrusthau after blow is quite tricky when you end up with closing to strong on strong range as you need to with a weapon of this reach. Overall great work guys.

@VirtualFechtschule 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Really happy to hear it looks good! :D

@hartmutwrith3134 Жыл бұрын

You both realy know how to move and do fencing. Hussa from a veteran seeing the young ones doing better than us old ones.

@VirtualFechtschule Жыл бұрын

Thank you! :)

@Kirill_Ivanov. Жыл бұрын

Very nice, guys! Epic fight!

@DinizCabreira 2 жыл бұрын

Neat exchanges. Congratulations to both!

@VirtualFechtschule 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! :)

@r.h5550 2 жыл бұрын

Thats awesome! Best messer sparring on YT👌

@VirtualFechtschule 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks! :D

@flashingsword 2 жыл бұрын

Nice flow in your sparring. I love it.

@VirtualFechtschule 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! :D

@ivobleijenberg3171 2 жыл бұрын

Good spar. A joy to see.

@VirtualFechtschule 2 жыл бұрын

Dank je! :D

@thexbriannova 4 ай бұрын

I only noticed the wings of freedom near the end of the video

@Federico19871000 Жыл бұрын

Great!!!

@umartdagnir 2 жыл бұрын

Beautiful exchanges.

@VirtualFechtschule 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! :)

@user-tr4pf8gn8m 10 ай бұрын

Very gentlemanly.

@themuffinman001 Жыл бұрын

really this shows that a duel would usually end in both being equally wounded

@VirtualFechtschule 11 ай бұрын

That indeed seemed to have happened often. And to be fair, it's also not necessarily a bad outcome given why people dueled. When talking about both formal and impromptu duels, preserving your honour was the first priority, preserving your life the second and not getting in trouble for murder the third. Most 1v1 fights from 15th and 16th century German cities I've read about seemed to have ended with one or both parties suffering non-lethal wounds, fulfilling all three. The number of duels where mortal wounds were purposefully inflicted seems to have been relatively low. I've read different things about Italian and later French duelling cultures of course, but that may have had something to do with the then prevalent thrust fencing with rapiers being more lethal to begin with.

@porta_di_ferro 2 жыл бұрын

Super!

@VirtualFechtschule 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@JessFinleySwords 2 жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed this! Loving your use of Zucken.

@HashKey64 2 жыл бұрын

Can you give me a timestamp in the video for a good example?

@JessFinleySwords 2 жыл бұрын

@@HashKey64 the exchange at 3:27 was the one that struck me.

@VirtualFechtschule 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I feel working with the point is quite an underappreciated part of messer fencing, so I have been working a lot on it. Glad it shows! :D

@JessFinleySwords 2 жыл бұрын

@@VirtualFechtschule totally agree! Point work is where it is all at, no matter what medieval weapon you're working. The cut takes the center. The point ruins their day. ;)

@railgun20002 2 ай бұрын

Cool

@narusawa74 Жыл бұрын

Federico the sniper....How challenging did it felt to face a Panzer type of attacker, breaking mesura all the time and flipping his blade around yours right after contact? I'm curious about your feedback. Also you have a message regarding the rapier baldric😉

@calvinosaurus4514 Жыл бұрын

3:09 This exchange shows the danger of the idea of staying in the Vor and also the danger of parry/riposte fencing. Friderico parries Oskar's first attack and ripostes to the arm, but Oskar comes around to the other side at the same time and lands a cut to the head. The result is a double hit. This shows that trying to stay in the Vor by attacking a different opening when the opponent parries is dangerous, because the opponent can simply riposte. It also shows that riposting immediately after parrying can be risky. Although Friderico could have avoided the double hit by stepping further back with the parry, as his riposte to the arm would have landed, but his head would have been out of range.

@seanwauters8556 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for Sharing. Lovely analysation of both weapons in prologue. I notice you tend to useyiur messer Leckuchnerwise in the wam way as I tend to use the arming sword Liechtenauer/Lignitzer wise. Kinde of logic since, as you statethe simularities between them are undeniable. Maybe you should make a series of this tyoe of sparring. Messer against Sword. I am willing to be your next partner in your research. Hope we cn meet again soon.

@VirtualFechtschule 2 жыл бұрын

Let's try that next time we meet up indeed. We could do a round of sword vs. messer first and then the same but with bucklers?

@seanwauters8556 2 жыл бұрын

@@VirtualFechtschule looking forward to it. Single messer vs arming sword and messer-buckler against armingsword. Maybe we could also do vice verca to get slightlyout of our comfortzoneor habitzone and register our findings.

@tonarsilverwolf6485 Жыл бұрын

don't think for a second that we don't see that flugel der freiheit on that gambeson

@iantheduellist Жыл бұрын

11:41 what a beautiful bromance.

@Druid_Ignacy 2 жыл бұрын

O my God, this wrestling disarm was one of the most epic things I ever saw. How much did you drill that, to be able to use that? Also, please tell me, do pro gauntles make your hands smaller targets and thus sword guards provide better protection? Or it's nothing significant?

@VirtualFechtschule 2 жыл бұрын

Ha, thanks! :D It is mostly a matter of training to recognise the moment to let go of the weapon and go for the one the opponent is holding. Almost all the disarming actions in Lecküchner revolve around a rowing action, so once you have that down it becomes quite easy to throw in everytime your fighting over a weapon. :)

@VirtualFechtschule 2 жыл бұрын

As for the PG's they are a bit bulky still, so I don't think the hands necessarily become a smaller target. They are very close to Red Dragon's in size. They are a lot smaller than SPES heavies and similar gloves of course. :)

@moxigen Жыл бұрын

as a german you can always bring a "messer" to a swordsfight!

@alinvid6098 2 жыл бұрын

Why isn't the passing step used when cutting ? I mean why are cuts almost never used with the passing step just the leading fooot ? Thanks in advance !

@VirtualFechtschule 2 жыл бұрын

They're there occasionally, but you don't see them as much as you would see in other fights for instance. Passing steps are great for generating power easily, but it's not the only way. The downside to passing steps is that they take more time, which becomes risky when your sparring partner is evenly matched as is the case here.

@alinvid6098 2 жыл бұрын

@@VirtualFechtschule I understand ! Thank you for your answer 🙂 I asked cause I watched a lot of sidesword sparring on youtube and I very rarely saw fencers use the passing step with cuts alsmost never... But I saw you used passing steps to generate angles for your next attack 🙂 So in conclusion is that why fencers generally don't yse them with cuts cause they fear they would get hit in the process ? If I will try to develop my style using them with cuts in sparring would that be good or bad ?

@codiekryger3409 4 ай бұрын

What arming sword is that?

@lemmilam Жыл бұрын

What shoes are you wearing here?

@VirtualFechtschule Жыл бұрын

Boxing shoes. :)

@lemmilam Жыл бұрын

@@VirtualFechtschule Thanks!!

@caesarmendez6782 6 ай бұрын

Uhm...I don't see any Messer in this fencing video. I do see two short Arming swords. Hmmm.

@VirtualFechtschule 6 ай бұрын

Look closely. Federico has an arming sword and I have a Landsknecht Emporium Messer.

@alessandromariani3015 9 ай бұрын

There is a big skill difference lol , noob vs pro

@Vlcounek 10 ай бұрын

White is much less experienced and it shows. He has no consecutive plan after that first move (strike or defense) and is like a statue after he does it.