Yeah it’s crazy that this is basically just the release version!

@@EchoSoundWorks Exactly! And forgot to mention that it was a very fair comparison tbh. Both works for me too.

On the other hand, Steve Duda came with Serum in 2014 as a unique design. In almost 10 years tech has moved forward so in my opinion (yeah I work in IT / development) it became easier to create software. And the idea already existed, Vital used a lot of what was completely new in Serum, also easier imho. But in the end, both are great synths, a lot alike but here and there a touch different, always fun to have more options. Glad the video did not zoom in on the price difference too much, it should not matter in a comparison like this. And a one time fee of 189 is not that expensive in my opinion, while there is a valid free alternative in Vital now still worth it's money.

Makes me very happy to hear you’re liking the presets! Thanks for feedback, always helpful

yeah well when i buy a preset and get to work with it you can sit there watching a tutorial to make one sound for 15 min or so . lol

@@alpiina5425 lol, as if searching for and buying presets of other people's work can ever compare to gaining the wealth of experience and practice that comes from learning how to make any sound you'd ever need on your own. For free. Don't get me wrong, though. Presets are great, but they are only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to synthesis. For me they are only demonstrations of technique that I can examine and learn to apply in my own homemade presets and projects. Plus you can buy thousands of presets for BOTH Serum and Vital to your hearts content, so I'm not sure what your point is. Tutorials are a nearly free long term investment which will earn me interest in the future, whereas buying presets is a short term fix that will end up eating at your income in the long haul. I'd advise you to closely examine your financial decisions for inefficiencies to remove or restructure.

​@@tantaloss8682 thats what processing is for . you can have something and make it sound completely different. i can use a preset as an idea and freeze and flatten it or however u wanna do it and process it and it can sound totally different but the idea for me to work with was always there. its like making yourself not use loops when you can use them the correct way and play legos. i can hear an element i like and use it and cut everything else out. ya most people wont mess with it because they are lazy and wanna sound like someone else and sound like "skrillex" but i see them as a foundation for creativity. and if i can do that without spending forever making stuff i may or may not use then why not? when you buy synth you have presets for a reason. if you want to be lazy and not do anything it shows and thats why those people dont do shit with their production. music production has endless boundries. "you" are stopping yourself from making something from a better suited foundation (a preset) its all about how you implement things. you think i wanna make music and use the same shit everyone uses ? loooool. no but if i can use a sound cause its closer to what i want and make it weird and unique and different then why not? no one gives a shit if you made some sound from scratch. they care if the music is original and good. or else you're essentially showing them some junk and some new sound you learned to sound design to say "i made this from scratch and didnt use any presets" and they wouldnt know wtf youre talking about. lmaooo "worry about my finances". ill be fine.lol

Vital is not gonna stay free for ever. The Prices for Plus and Pro will ajdust in March I heard.

@@6ood6ame just downloaded it yesterday, still free (basic version)

Thanks Jake! Just saw your video on the free plugins, great stuff

Thank you!!

Yeah if you already have serum, it’s like why not use vital. If you have neither, vital may be the way to go

Thanks!!

Thanks for stopping by and checking it out!

True, the fact is these synths are pretty similar, once you mix it all down the difference in sound will not be recognised by the listener, I think these synths are hand in hand

That’s the way to go!

You can do everything and more with vital.........serum is plummeting, it's too expensive for what you get anyways

No they don't. I have tried to do what you say, and they don't cancel at all. The sound is definitely not the same, even with the same wavetable file loaded.

@@bensilicate Ok, so the process for getting the null is to isolate just a few cycles in the middle of the wave and normalize them to the same amplitude and manually shift the phase after the render. The key differences are in te way the phase is displayed and thus sometimes confuse 90 and 0 between the 2. The envelopes are also very different. Also the actual init saws are pretty different in each synth so be careful of that too wen trying this.

You can rent to own serum which is nice

@@EchoSoundWorks "Rent to own" is the greatest contradiction of terms I have ever read. Hilarious.

@@FenlonAcoustic From the Splice Rent-To-Own FAQs: "There's no interest, extra charge, or hidden fee associated with the Rent-to-Own model. You will pay roughly the same amount through Rent-to-Own as you would if you were to buy the plugin directly from the manufacturer at a non-discounted price." ---------------------------------- How is this a "contradiction of terms?" Please explain instead of just making vague statements without substantiation. So, what's your explanation?

@@arnoldziffel112 Okay, sorry for the vague statement. Let me try to explain... You don't own something you rent... As an example: If you are renting a property, you don't own it. Therefore 'Rent-to-Own', as a concept, is a contradiction of terms.

"Rent to own" is a fairly new buzzword that doesn't make complete sense. In the old days, the term would be "Paying for it in installments", like when you ordered a sofa or a TV from a catalogue. You'd get full use of the item on day one and eventually own it, but if you failed to keep up with the payments, it would be taken away. As you pointed out, if you rent something, you never get to own it, so "rent to own" is a strange phrase, but I think people know that it's supposed to mean "buy in installments".

because he has an incentive to get people to stay in Serum and also he isn't as knowledgeable as he makes himself out to be..

Thanks for checking it out Felix

Might as well! Something I didn’t touch on in the video is with layering, you can make the same sound in two synths and layer it and it’s kinda like double tracking a guitar or a vocal because of the subtle differences

@@EchoSoundWorks great vid 👍

@@EchoSoundWorks that's a really good idea! Thanks for the vid man!

Hey Rob thanks! It's in the Evoxa for Serum bank. There's a good amount of vocal tape loops in that bank

I agree 100% that we producers get too in our heads and listeners don’t care about that stuff. BUT As the people who make the music, we should be knowledgeable about the tools at our disposal to create and know about how one tool differs from the other.

Yeah it’s pretty similar to serum! A lot of tutorials for one can applied to the other

Yeah it’s still one of the top 3-5 synths for sure. Vital isn’t as stable yet and does some weird things when loading presets.

I think it does with certain sounds. I don’t think Ana2 sounds Ther fat

Both channels are at unity in the daw. I might have gain compensated a bit (not flawlessly) but things should be fairly equal. I think the only things that sound inherently better in serum are the filters and the fx (reverb, ott, distortion).

same

I presume this has been fixed since your comment. A quick look at Google suggests there were some bugs in the MIDI implementation of Vital when it was first released, such as sustain pedals and MPE not working quite as expected.

Just tested the link, worked on my end, not sure what happened. RE: - fat knob - you're right that it's not algorithmically adding any vintage juju. This is more what I meant, I just didn't explain it as in depth as I should have. The way it works with a LP filter which is what I used in the video, it will add a volume boost to the frequencies under the cut off point and if your resonance is above zero, it plays really nicely with that as it boosts it making the reso more curved right at the cutoff point. This is actually how some vintage synths naturally behave and it's an old school filtering trick with EQ when using steep dB per octaves slopes. So I guess I'm saying all this because when I said that it can help make things sound more more analog, I was meaning/thinking more about warmth (more pronounced low mids with a LP filter). Critical comments are always welcome! Lead to improvements and discussion - two things I'm all for.

Tested again the link myself from my phone, and I agree, it works as intended, no idea why it didn't work from my PC, got myself the patches, will definitely browse trough them asap :)

@@platipo ok great! Did the link just not go anywhere the first time or did you get an error?

It sent me to the 404 page on your website, again, no idea why since from my cellphone it works.

Hey! You can’t actually modulate everything though. There’s things you can mod in serum that you can’t in vital too

@@EchoSoundWorks Name examples pls.

@@leiocera2433 LFO point modulation maybe? Serum’s option to modulate the LFO points was introduced about 1 or 2 years ago, probably about 1 and a half year. I’m not totally sure if this is also possible with Vital but if it isn’t then that would be something Matt Tytel might add in the future.

@@greedokenobi3855 In vital, you can modulate the glide time, macros, the polyphony, these things are afaik not possible in serum.

@@greedokenobi3855 you can modulate them in Vital as well + I think Vital has a better mod remap. Not saying this as an argument which synth is better I`m just adding to the discussion here. I actually think that the these two plugins despite being so similar are not interchangeable rather it depends on what type of sound you want to create.

You can get serum for 9 bucks a month until it’s paid off. But yeah the price of vital is attractive

@@EchoSoundWorks oh didn't knew then it's doable, will look into it, thanks for letting me know😁✌

Exactly

Lol😂

Vital is legit so ain’t shame in that

Too much aliasing

OG massive or massive x? The filters in massive x are crazy good. A lot of let downs though overall

@@EchoSoundWorks OG I've still not checked out X, I need to

I would agree if vital had some of the filter types that serum has (all pass, reverb) and a few more distortion modes and algos

@@EchoSoundWorks uhh....download it mate

@@EchoSoundWorks anything that vital doesn't have can be made from scratch. Any synth and sound. I have not yet come across something that's better in serum that i can not do in vital. If you need additional stuff, just search the internet, plenty to find there. But like i said. Serum is not worth the money if everything and more can be done in Vital.

you can apply literally any of said videos to vital and pretty much any other synth out there but nvm that`s besides the point ... imo your argument goes against what music creation should be and this way of thinking is exactly why the scene is oversaturated with uninspiring and boring music. I see this way too often ppl commenting things like "Oh I just need to get Serum/Omnisphere/whatever and I`ll make awesome music!" Plugins have nothing to do with making "banger tracks" it all depends on the person who is writing the music. The use of terms such as "industry", "templates", "dope packs' etc. is actually making me think that you were being sarcastic..

@@isellcrack3537 my life isn’t music. And I’m over the “the scene” and don’t care what others are doing. But if you want to pick up synth then why would you learn on anything other than a proven system? If you can take what you hear on the radio and then adjust a synth to that, with the help of KZfaq, why would you want to make that learning curve more complicated? I don’t have time to look for other buttons or sub screens while learning on something “counter culture” just so I can feel “original”, fresh or edgy. Over it. Maybe after I have some sort of workflow figured out and I’m growing out of the gold standard, maybe then look at changing things up for creativity sake. But too often this stuff is complicated enough for most people without an adderall prescription.

That’s not true. Serum can store samples in both the sample osc and wavetable osc. Just drag a sample into the serums sample osc, the sample must come from outside of the file browser for serum (so like on your desktop or from your daw) and then save the preset. Serum saves it’s in the preset.

@@EchoSoundWorks hm, but i got sometimes Warning in Serum, that sample was lost