Sabo: I got some salt...Oh you finished your food.

@@killerbee1974 Morgans - "Here is your receipt sir."

Imu appearing out of the blue like “neighbor can I have a pound of coffee” and Cobra is like “wait, the apartment next to mine has not been cohabitated for 800 years”

IM Sama (Throws King Cobra into the sea): There! Have all the salt in the world Zehahahahahahahah!

@@omkr0122 Flaem Imperor Soba: That's... an ominous laugh, if I ever heard one- WAIT. I heard that laugh before, it's-!!! Eem: * *_-stare-_* * Sboa: Welp, Gotta go! Cya, suckaaaaz!

There is a whole pharaoh named Nefertari and also Nefertiti I’m sure a lot of the story is based on Egyptian history

wait this could make sense because imu would have a reason to become evil since they killed her mom or exiled her

No its Mimi’s daughter Gigi

@@kozukitonio740then why work for the same government that killed your mother , if anything if imu is the daughter of lili then it’ll make more sense if imu is more of a doflamingo type of character someone who enjoys the perks of being the very top of the world let’s say imu killed lili kinda how mingo did his father but imu showed a incredible amount of will that the og five elders also bend the knee to her

No I'm pretty sure her name was Kiki not Mimi, not be confused with Qiqi that's Titi's grandmother.

Imu is definitely qiqi lili's mom she wanted to become the queen of the whole world but lily wanted to leave and her son never wanted to have anything with her from the start

Or if that Vivi we saw isn't actually her but Imu in disguise due to their Resemblance.....

@@user-ns2ku3zz7p hold on guys let him cook

@@dRac_XII no thats a trash theory. Kick him outta the kitchen!

Damn it stinks in here

​@@user-ns2ku3zz7p no that's not it I feel like I should make it clear my comment was a typo what I'm responding to is stupid as hell

That sword Imu has 3 things come to mind 1. That’s the sword of Lily 2. He took the sword from Lily 3. It’s just a random sword

I concur. He was a little too autistic for me back then but once the on the spectrum video editing disappeared, it got significantly better lol

Why send a tank?

@@Hc2p3n4t4rp It might be useful. Neighbors may be worried that their odd neighbor now has a tank, but I trust him to be responsible with it.

@@xoav fair enough

Thats a very good point.

I would very much like (well not 'like', but you know what I mean) Imu, or his ancestors r***** lili, the Nefelatri progenitor. Considering we are exploring some incredibly dark themes in recent times, and as you said in the same chapter we have Charlos trying to "ride" shirohoshi against her will. **** Is in some ways, the ultimate abuse of power & is used as a mechanism to devalue a human. For the entirety of Imus (if he is not immortal) to be the descendants of a ****ist is basically an allegory of the world governments '****' of the world with its heavenly tributes and unjust rule. The Nefelatri family being the ONLY family to not join the celestial dragons being the VICTIMS. Again is another allegory of the victims being pretty much isolated from their circle, and when they try to speak up against it, much like cobra is now, they end up being called a liar of worse, in some cases much like cobra now. Dead. Obviously it's a shonen. They won't outright say this, but I think the subliminal messages are there that this could of happened.

Yooo truuu

Lili is the person in the freezer

The Amazon Lily connection becomes a bit more pointed if we consider Hippolyta the queen of the Amazons as a potential parallel to Lili.

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No it wouldn't make sense, how would that even make sense m

It's not clear who vivi's ancestors is Lily or her brother

LILI and VIVI in Roman numerals are 5151 and 5151. Maybe there's a connection here!

My theory is also mythology based but focused on the Greek myth of Uranus and Gaia. In Greek myth (where the names of the Ancient Weapons originates) Gaia is the goddess of Earth and mother and/or wife of Uranus the god of heaven with whom she had 18 children (18 children and 2 parents = 20, as in 20 founders, huh). Uranus hated his children (didn't Tom teach us to never hate out creations?) And locked them away inside of Earth, which is called Tartarus, something that Gaia hated. Gaia then told her youngest son Cronus to castrate Uranus, to separate Heaven from Earth. Cronus then became king and he sort of became his father, corrupted, he too hated his kids and swallowed them up, but was fooled and swallowed a stone instead of Zeus. Zeus then grew up without Cronus knowledge and grew strong enough to force Cronus to spit out his siblings which all waged war on Cronus and won. With Cronus defeated a new era began which was a golden age for mortals. Long story short... Lili is the body of Uranus that is controlled by one of the 20 founders, Cronus. In this case then Luffy would be representative of Zeus (Luffy recently grabbed a bolt of lightning). So I think that maybe Imu is one of the 20 founding kings thats forced a previous user of the Ope Ope no Mi to use the personality switch on Imu and Lili, so that Imu is in controll of Lilis body as Lilis body holds the powers of Uranus and is the National Treasure of Mary Geoise that Doffy talked about, and then that body was made immortal with the immortality operation. Which would make Law the key to defeating Imu, if the user of the Ope Ope no Mi not only can make someone immortal but take the immortality away from them too.

Or her twin

I'm thinking that lily will turn out to be the first ruler of amazon lily and she got lost on the way back to Alabasta. This makes even more sense when u realize amazon lily is in the calm belt and there for is really difficult to travel to or from and that she probably got ship wreaked there. With Imu i feel like there is going to be a thing where Imu loved lily but lily loved joyboy or something and was so heart broken because Imu is going to be the person who killed him or something like that.

Lily being Imu is not true. Vivi family is viewed as traitors by the Gorosei who know who Imu is. Also why leave a letter to your own family & give information about the family of D? Then kill them when they question it? Zero sense. All I got from it is Imu is an immortal who knew Lily who left a big impression on him/her.

@@davidortiz3094 open your mind man, the letter didn't have to come directly from her. We do not have enough information here to assume it was Lily that made that letter.

Theres more options we just have to dig deep for any forshadowing, only forshadowing i can find to Im's identity is being a Personification of the Sea, we need more info on the void century to see more key characters tho to make more sense of who Im could be

Yeah I believe there's a kind of special Baptizing ritual that can be done on these Celestial Dragons that could put them at their natural biological Prime condition. It's something the Holy Knights & The Gorosei all know that they have as a trump card along with the Seraphim.

Haki is literally just willpower. A specific kind of mindset has real, tangible power in the world of One Piece. Realistically, all of nobles probably have conqueror's haki, because they genuinely believe that it is their birthright to rule.

@@dontmisunderstand6041 - There’s a difference between believing it’s your right to rule and actually having the cojones to do it. You see it with plenty of rich kids, sitting on their trust funds, waiting for the opportunity to start running their parents’ multi million dollar empire. They may like to brag how their parent/grandparent/distant ancestor started from nothing and built their business to what it is today, but how many of them are going to use even a portion of the money they already have access to to start their own business empire to try and rival what came before?

@@CJ-442 We see constant examples of the world nobles getting themselves way over their heads because of their insistence on maintaining the disposition of a king in the face of imminent death. What they lack is the courage to *not* rule.

Yup

Yea 1084 happened after the round table I think

Or the empress between Boa and Shakky which agewise could be Luffy's mom or Crocodile, personally i think Croc is Luffy's aunt, which makes Alabasta a huge complex family feud.

“Family feuds” like what happened in Alabasta occurred quite a few times in real life. Power corrupts.

Black hair, blue eyes and big titties. Checks out 👍🏼

Why Nico Robin?

@@juanescobar1735 He’s suggesting that they’re related.

@@yannitsagarakis215 i know, but why?

Probably because Oda designs women similarly

Holy shit

That does sound quite possible. A good theory.

Is what I think happened too

I don't think they knew of Imu's existence

That would make a lot of sense.

I like this idea tbh, like Imu is one big hivemind and Lili is the piece that got away...

That's how I got a few kids into One Piece. They complained that it was too long, and I said "Everything and everyone comes back later. It's a giant build-up for something". ...except for Gin, but they don't need to know that.

@@teIekid most people like immediate satisfaction rather than slow burn as if they wasted their time and it didn't end good it'd be better to just see something that starts and ends One piece usually gets that hate for being long but it actually does good work with the arcs all being unique and even when oda had a slight slump the plot points for the overall story come together perfectly

Crocodile: Friendship is for nerds! 2 years later: Crocodile: Crap im a nerd!

This could be possible, great thought. It made think that Imu may have been there before the monarchs even. Lili's brother inherting the throne does show that monarchs could have been killed and their family still carried on. The swords could just be trophies even, with one getting away.

if I'm not mistaken ..the women of Amazon lily can only give birth to other women so luffys mom can't be from Amazon lily

@@mugiwara_k9283 Where did you read this? I am curious 🤔

This is what I'm leaning towards. A if I cant have you nobody can/ we'll always be together kinda mindset.

Yup I think Imu personality soul and body switching swapping Lily.

@Giwrgos Petrou Yes he did. Go re-read chapter 761.

Interesting.

I can definitley this as a possiblilty. It is a cool idea that one of the founding members had to take on the role of the immortal Imu to keep peace.

I agree. The world government may have trapped all the bigger sea kings in the grand line and flooded the earth to seperate the power of the other goverments. Probably through controling the will of the world/God given the Seraphim may have ruled the earth at one point.

Don't know nothing about Kanji, but question: could that be considered a technicisim?

I think this small difference could make it even more possible. Just think about some other mispellings in the story, like: Gold Roger/Gol D Roger, Luffy/Lucy.

kanji looks like two eyes and amazon lily has a line by it ... maybe the scar that the D's bear on the face?

Actually, that's incorrect. Lily is actually closest to the pronunciation. Lily's name is written in katakana. Lili/Riri would be simply two characters リリ. Similar to Vivi (ビビ). Her mother, Titi, needs 4 characters for hers, but the idea is the same (ティティ) Lily here is actually written as リリィ, which tells us that the 'i' sound at the end of her name is elongated rather than cut short like Vivi's is. Lily in Amazon Lily is written like this: リリー. Which while written differently, phonetically makes the same sound so both can be translated as "Lily". Because this is katakana, there can be multiple ways the English name is written but it would be pronounced closer to Lily rather than "LeeLee". You can write it as both versions if you want though. The scans talk about this too, and the official went with the usual spelling of Lily to probably avoid confusion on the pronunciation.

@@jenniferjacobs7873 ngl, "Lily here is actually written as リリィ" would've been more than enough Just went back to double-check the wiki because I could've sworn last time I checked it it only said リリ but I guess I misread it

I really dont get it, is it really just because Cobra is named Cobra? Thats a huuge stretch

@@surgrus4367 there's more to it depending on if Oda goes this route or not. I'm just on the hype train my friend

The Pharaohs would marry and the spouse would generally be the co-ruler. So Cobra and Titi would have ruled together until she died.

It could have been a branch family that remarried into the main Nefertari line hundreds of years later.

Could be that there are a lot of unrelated women with that naming pattern and the kings have a hereditary thing for that.

​@@josephdavis9234 But if the Naming scheme is unrelated, than Vivi AND Titi looking like Lili would be inplausible. I think we can make it work that Titi and Cobra are decendants of Lili, without any inc**t. Cobra probably was part of the rulers family, while Titi was part of one of the nobility families of Alabasta. Noble families are mostly connected among eachother bloodwise. Titi's family could be an offshoot of the Nefertari family, split 100-800 years ago, and that would lead that Titi, someone looking like Lili, and Cobra, a direct decendantof Lili, could produce Vivi

I think they are 800 years too late for that. The two places that the world government should have eliminated to keep their legacy going is Alabasta and Skypia.

"Is that so, lutenant king Cobrambo?"

She lives in paradise, no need to cross calm belt

Makes sense as Apep is the True Greatest Arch-Enemy of Ra the Sun God.