I can attest to this...

Lmao

Lol. Ikr

Hah! Beat Nuke'em Sheridan to it...

Beat me to it

Nah clearly it crashes into Babylon 4. The time traveling mobile version of the station.

@@Torlonus Does that mean Annorax is actually an alternate timeline version of Valen aka Jeffrey Sinclair? They missed a great opportunity to create a fun what-if scenario here, if they could have gotten the actor who played Sinclair to be Annorax.

I love how everybody misses out how being rude to Janeway has her give people a figurative middle finger.

This is a terrific episode and a glimpse at what Voyager might have been. A ship lost at the far side of the galaxy without supplies, space-dock and with two clashing crews. It could have been SO good but the big red reset button always put things back the way they were by the start of the next episode. Year of Hell, briefly shows what the show might have been like without that magic button.

@@doctordave3586 yeah, but at the time, it would not have worked. So much discussion of Voyager takes place thinking of how shows work on Netflix and with DVD Seasons released. And yes... people mention Babylon-5... but considering that the majority of people first learned of Babylon-5 from a running gag Ryan Style's character in the Drew Carry show made for a single episode--a character whose main feature is being the resident CuckooCloudLander... it kind of shows that Babylon-5 was a bit ahead of its time, hence why it didn't really work.

I watched most of TNG, DS9, voyager, Enterprise AND Babylon 5 when it first aired on TV, and I can totally attest to the fact that ongoing stories are a pain in the ass in that environment. I never truly made sense of the ongoing continuity of Star Trek (and yes, there IS some even in the fully episodic series) until I got pretty much all of it on DVD something like 15 years later. On TV you have the factor of it being a week between episodes, sometimes the TV station skip episodes or show things out of order, or you wouldn't be able to watch/record one (by the time voyager was on TV it was often on at anything from 11pm to 1 AM, where TNG had been on at 8:30pm - a big deal if you're still in school, or have a job.) Oh, but video rental stores were a thing, and sure enough, I rented Star Trek a LOT from such places over the years. But guess what? Most such places had a haphazard collection of VHS tapes, often totalling about 10 tapes for any given series (tapes held roughly 2 episodes each). And these weren't even consecutive, they were a haphazard collection. I was truly over the moon when I finally lived near a Video Rental store in the late 90's that had ALL of TNG and DS9... That sure took up a lot of shelf space by the way. Each season is roughly 13 tapes (not all seasons are 26 episodes), so that's close to 90 tapes per series. Contrast this to the DVD collection I had (which I have since lost while moving house but I re-bought some of it, taking the opportunity to get the TNG blurays instead) Each season box set coming in a package that is roughly equivalent in size to a VHS tape, all 21 seasons of TNG, DS9 and Voyager combined is only 21 such boxes, which means on VHS a single series takes up more than 4 times as much room as all 3 series from that era combined... And Babylon 5? Oh, that was fascinating when I caught a glimpse of it, but making sense of the ongoing narrative from TV broadcasts was basically impossible. So... Episodic TV existed for a reason, and it was only widespread availability of DVD's that made an ongoing story workable in practice. (Technically video rental stores could allow for it, but as noted few of them bothered to collect 'complete' series; and given the bulk of VHS tapes, you can hardly blame them, so while possible in theory it was a moot point in practice) DVD's and streaming services have changed things, but ongoing stories really were NOT fun to try and follow on TV... A two part story is different, because it's short enough that finding both halves isn't too hard. Another solution that has worked since the early days of TV is the 'Soap Opera' model, but that relies on the fact that missing individual episodes rarely matters that much. You can miss a week's worth of episodes (about 5 of them) in most Soaps and still easily follow what the story is doing, because of how agonisingly slow it is... Ongoing narratives are great NOW, but they weren't anywhere near as much fun when you couldn't count on not missing large chunks of the story, and had to wait a long time to learn what happened next. (weekly broadcasts.) I mean that whole 'last time on Star Trek' thing existed because it could be hard to remember after a week what had happened in the last episode otherwise, but now it's just a redundant nuisance... Things are products of their times. And it's easy to forget what that really means...

@@KuraIthys thank you

zealotmaster1 it’s only a starship with a gelato machine on board. Without one it’s just a hunk of tritanium attached to a warp core.

Hey she spoke with the devil in one episode, so why not

Wen L. Come to think of it how is it that Voyagers crew wasn’t a crazed sex cult from all the crazy SUPER PTSD inducing nightmarish shit that WASN’T in a time travel episode WITHOUT a half betazoid or mousy Trill ships counselor keeping the nuts tight by the time they got back to the Alpha quadrant needs to be explained! I mean The Alpha quadrant only ever had what, 4 or 5 Borg attacks, 2 being major, voyager had Borg crew!

@@brokeneyes6615 They had Kes for a few seasons, she was like a telepath/empath with Q-like powers at the end. Also, Sexy Borg like 7 of 9 had other uses I supposed to make the trip bearable :P Hey don't look at me that way, you were all thinking the same thing, why did she have a predilection to form fitting catsuits, dominatrix demeanor, and a pansexual appetite that attracted both the 1st Officer and Captain ("The killing game" part 1 script reference Janeway and Seven were lovers in WWII recreation)?

There was talk at the time to make the whole season to do with the Year of Hell, but the big wigs chickened out because whom has a long season long story arc? Nobody would ever turn that into great Sci-fi television.

i would add there should've been a workshop like room. Stuff that were in different states of being made/repaired.

@@wcoleman99 agreed, and shuttles tractor beaming replacement hall sections into place where EVA teams would attach it, at least once.

After 50 years of that I'm pretty sure most of the occupants of Voyager would have been folks not part of a decedents of the original crew.

@@dibaterman I can see it now, as Voyager approaches the outer reaches of the Alpha Quadrant, all the senior crew get together and Captain Neelix is asked, Why are we trying to go to Earth again? We're all species from back there, Only 18 of 14 even has an ancestor from this quarter of the galaxy and she'd been against us going back there for more than two decades!

I don't know what an intrepid class ship is designed for, but a Galaxy class is designed (assuming it has recently fully resupplied) for 7 years of independent operation. Expecting voyager to be failing THAT badly seems a little off to me as well. We need a bit of a happy medium given what Starfleet ships are actually designed to deal with. (again. Galaxy class is designed for 7 years of independent operation) Now, I WOULD assume that this 'independent operation' stuff is related to routine operations, so it doesn't include battle damage, accidents and so on, and there may still be a variety of issues that can't be repaired without a spacedock. But that would mean that while stuff does fail on voyager, it would take a while, not be failing at the rate the year of hell was implying, nor leaving the ship quite THAT badly off. I'd guess sooner or later you get damage you can't fix without supplies and outside assistance...

My personal headcanon is that Voyager provided a taxi cab or armed guard service to people and ships going the right direction in exchange for supplies.

@Zerebrat Eightyseven I thought that arc was really good. Except for the ending, of course. Grabbing dude from the inter-time comms device was genuinely Voyager writing.

Yes, like a longer version of the Hirogen story arc with better writing and some more nuance. I mean, they basically created Star Trek's version of Predator aliens, but they completely screwed up the concept.

The road the Hell is paved with frozen door-to-door salesmen. All the younger demons go ice-skating down it on Fridays.

The Time War was probably happening during that time.

@@badwolf66 yeah :) to busy

@@badwolf66 The Time War? So the Daleks and Time Lords are canon in Star Trek? Awesome.

@@FortoFight I suppose so since they did that crossover comic years ago.

@@badwolf66 Alternate reality timelines intersecting do not make them canon, just tangents of possible futures for humanity :P

Not like hed actually respond to a question

Because trek writers rarely seem to know much about trek lore.

Well, my guess on this is simple: In the alternate timeline before and after the 1st temporal incursion in the episode part 1, Kes never had a time shift to the Year of hell. Like Annorax said, if you remove even one asteroid, you alter the fates of billions. When Annorax removed the civilization, he affected the fabric of reality and Kes might have never underwent that procedure in that timeline at all or shifted to another point in history. However, at the end of Part 2, we are back in the "Prime" timeline and Janeway does remember the warnings from Kes about the Year of Hell. She accepts that a longer journey was needed rather than fight a losing battle against Krenim. The end of Part 2 in essence is the "Real" reality, it is also why Time Agents of 29th Century Temporal Integrity Commission and 31st Century Federation Temporal Defense Agency would not intervene. (Based on the logic I am rationalizing from DTI novels, they won't mess with events native to their historical timeline aka this version of Voyager and Krenim encounter).

@@time391 I would accept this, if they did one tiny thing: Janeway hears the name Krenim and them looks at Tuvok, who nods. Then they avoid. Small adjustment that follows through.

@@apophis40123 True, I know the novel retcon a lot of this stuff to make it a bit more logical .I wish TV writers and actors could add those little details too. The other interesting point on this episode is "what really happened to Voyager?", if there was no Krenim imperium, Annorax, or all that stuff, would this Janeway have just made it through Delta Quadrant happily ever after.

Is it wrong, that I actually sung ,it to the tune of the "Flintstones "? & nearly choked, on my Coffee!?

I enjoy it when people see that, it seems to be a rare thing these days to understand you can love something and yet take it downa notch when need be.

Personally, I think that Enterprise was a better example of what Voyager should have been. The show has a lot of problems, but for the entire show, the ship was basically falling apart, and was constantly getting its ass kicked by pretty much every other ship they came across. Despite this, the show still kept a mostly positive attitude and really focused on exploration and going into the unknown.

I agree. It’s not like voyager and the crew don’t change over time but, as is Trek’s fashion, they change for the better with new tech and drives... even new friends over time

Warping continuity problems :p

I would have to agree!

What, not the spider?

Honestly... I'm disappointed that V'Ger has not appeared in the Kelvin Timeline... as you know it would be Janeway's ship... and Q on it, with Q being trapped in the Kelvin Timeline as punishment.

She is often badly written, but can you point out where i said that here or is this an overall point?

I Agree that Janeway is badly written at Lot Of points but I think she has her good moments as well but that might be me being Biased to the Show which I Admit I am.

Then explain Babylon 5

@@talentlessartist7929 I just kind of did. I mean, most of Babylon 5's fanbase comes from AFTER the show ended, thanks to DVD Seasons and Internet Piracy. Yes... there were a couple of people while the show ran... but there is a reason we don't have five spin off series since it aired... and why Babylon 5's air time was as short as it was.

Yeah, the common answer is the timeline had already been altered at the start of The Year of Hell, so that Kes did not give that detailed report. It is also not the timeline Kes experienced as the Krenim are in a completely different location from where Kes knew them to be.

Technobabble. Lots and lots of technobabble.

Allows less flexibility, range and course changing. Maybe the coils are mounted differently, too? The Freedom gets around it though in that all Galaxy-era ships have dual coils in each nacelle, that can function separately.

You don't need two... Only a nacelle and the deflector dish...

Flávio Monteiro I figured as much, it’s just that the video’s author implies that you need two nacelles. 1:14

You often make fun of dialect?

"fill" instead of "feel"

@@JohnThomWebb thats a yes..got ya. Seeyan

@@LoreReloaded I wasn't making fun. I'm a linguist. Also, KZfaq didn't show your lightning fast reply until after I'd already made my reply so it wasn't a response to yours. But since I now know you're an asshole, I'll just go ahead and stop watching your videos. They're a lot less enjoyable knowing a jerk made them.

Yeah, what a dick. I'm not watching anymore either.

@Ryan Pedro I actually heard tell that this storyline was reintroduced in one of the post-Destiny books. Do you know if that's so?

Janeway had evacuated the rest of the crew. As for shields, yes, SF shields are versatile. We've seen numerous times where there has been a gaping hole in the side of the ship, and yet no one dies. Think of ST: Generations, the scene where Kirk 'dies' in the E-B. Chekov & Co go to the deflector control, and see a massive gaping hole in the hull. Yet, Chekov & Co are all fine. The shields are holding back space and keeping the gasses in. Yes, oxygen, Co2, etc, are gasses.

The deflector shield work by keeping a large amount of particles stuck around the craft, that hold something akin to space lint... which keeps meteors from striking the ship while impulse engines are active. A few lore channels have gone over the mechanics of the shields.

Black Duskull remember the episode takes place over the course of a year.

Eh... it wouldn't be the only time somebody tried something like that

Why they lost