Walther - Heinemann Toggle Lock Sporting Rifle

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@vguyver2
@vguyver2 8 жыл бұрын
Gorgeous rifle with unique fuctions, features, and rarity. I hope if finds a good home. Only issue is having to go to a gunsmith to figure out the ammo.
@gunfuego
@gunfuego 8 жыл бұрын
This is one of my favorite of the toggle locks I've seen on Forgotten Weapons. Not to mention the finnish and the stocks grain.
@cwbeas
@cwbeas 8 жыл бұрын
love toggles! More Toggles! Thanks Ian
@enby_kensei
@enby_kensei 8 жыл бұрын
Man, if only I could find full photos of this thing. One of the most beautiful mechanisms I have ever seen on a semi-auto rifle.
@ProfessionalNoodler
@ProfessionalNoodler 8 жыл бұрын
That rifle has really sexy lines, what a neat operating system.
@blitzkriegatx4583
@blitzkriegatx4583 8 жыл бұрын
Beautiful rifle, and nifty action.
@chesterchow1
@chesterchow1 8 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see some high speed footage of this action
@Ctulhu911
@Ctulhu911 8 жыл бұрын
So many toggle action guns on this months, really like this mechanical joints.
@MrHalonoob117
@MrHalonoob117 8 жыл бұрын
Is your profile pic who I think it is?
@Ctulhu911
@Ctulhu911 8 жыл бұрын
It's our Lord and Saviour, Ian! vk.com/alexanderrudel?z=photo262972361_412560657%2Falbum262972361_00%2Frev
@DonJohn87_YT
@DonJohn87_YT 8 жыл бұрын
+GunJesus xD
@henrypoopenstein
@henrypoopenstein 8 жыл бұрын
+GunJesus Lmao the fact that its a pederson rifle he's holding is amazing. Ian really has a hard on for all pedersons haha!
@meyrolcs4077
@meyrolcs4077 7 жыл бұрын
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@miwove
@miwove 8 жыл бұрын
This rifle is realy cool and unique.
@uppishcub1617
@uppishcub1617 4 жыл бұрын
I love the toggle lock action, its very unique and interesting
@felixred3261
@felixred3261 8 жыл бұрын
This is probably the best collectible sporting rifle I have ever seen form the era. And I don't say that lightly.
@Spearfisher1970
@Spearfisher1970 8 жыл бұрын
Satisfying action on that rifle. Just neat to see it. TY!
@hilltop4847
@hilltop4847 8 жыл бұрын
before i started watching your video's I thought for a semi-auto rifle you either had "direct impingement," some sort of piston, or roller-delay type action. You've really opened my eyes, thanks Ian!
@jonr620
@jonr620 8 жыл бұрын
Zee Chermans never cease to amaze me. Very cool concept, and quite fitting that Walther manufactured it.
@98karlh
@98karlh 8 жыл бұрын
that is just a lovely mechanism. As usual video is of great quality, thank you !
@nilodrallub7812
@nilodrallub7812 8 жыл бұрын
That is about the coolest looking action I have ever seen ! Thanks !
@marzcorp
@marzcorp 8 жыл бұрын
Having a semi-auto rifle seems a bit pointless if it only has a 3-round magazine, but I guess they wanted it to sit flush. I imagine the military trials version would have had a much larger magazine.
@ThatGuy-a48
@ThatGuy-a48 8 жыл бұрын
Yea like 8 or 10
@revueltas28jr
@revueltas28jr 8 жыл бұрын
its a very interesting rifle,with a magnificent design
@ml.2770
@ml.2770 7 ай бұрын
This is the coolest rifle I've ever seen.
@davidstegman8147
@davidstegman8147 8 жыл бұрын
Cool rifle and thanks Ian.
@thetriode
@thetriode 8 жыл бұрын
I love the simplicity of the action overall. It's certainly elegant in its own regard.
@DanielSvensson666
@DanielSvensson666 8 жыл бұрын
Great video as always, Iove learning about these unique guns.:D
@Candesce
@Candesce 8 жыл бұрын
Wow, I really like it. I wonder if anyone makes modern actions like this. That muzzle "brake" action is very unique.
@elpoderdelasgalaxias
@elpoderdelasgalaxias 7 жыл бұрын
What a gorgeous piece of machinery.
@nfsfanAndrew
@nfsfanAndrew 8 жыл бұрын
thats really neat. never seen anything like that. very good looking rifle
@aspyromilios
@aspyromilios 8 жыл бұрын
toggle orgasm right now, this rifle is insane! The operating principle is not that complex, yet the designer still managed to make it very complicated and interesting
@JohnLeePedimore
@JohnLeePedimore 8 жыл бұрын
Perhaps one of the factors in these guns not becoming widely manufactured was the fact that they developed most of them around the time of the Great Depression(1929-1939).The Great Depression is often seen as an American economic disaster but it really effected the whole world.Especially industrial countries that relied heavily on exportation.
@Lukegriz77
@Lukegriz77 8 жыл бұрын
Ian sure does love his toggle lock rifles
@jamesmallone4742
@jamesmallone4742 8 жыл бұрын
that is such a beautiful gun
@bitfreakazoid
@bitfreakazoid 8 жыл бұрын
That is one beautiful rifle, and I love how it's action works and looks. Very aesthetically pleasing. And idea on what gives the bolt that purplish color?
@JTD19881369
@JTD19881369 8 жыл бұрын
case hardened i believe. you can get steel to be an amazing blue colour if you get the temp just right.. check out a channel called ClickSpring he shows you how
@ollythebest94
@ollythebest94 8 жыл бұрын
This action is so cool!
@thothtrismegistus4865
@thothtrismegistus4865 Жыл бұрын
I love the mechanics of these older semiautomatic firearms, mainly pistols. But when a rifle has something unusual or unique im all in! I'd own this rifle if I had the money lol
@Almightyrastus
@Almightyrastus 8 жыл бұрын
Gorgeous rifle, Walther do make some pretty stuff. Would love to see a good nosey around a WA2000 at some point.
@swayingGrass
@swayingGrass 7 ай бұрын
Seems like a much more sensible blow-forward gun compared to the other ratcheting Rube Goldberg contraptions. I would even say it's elegant! Since it's a toggle-lock, the actuating motion to break the knee can be of any direction as long as there's a perpendicular force acting on it.
@Ctulhu911
@Ctulhu911 8 жыл бұрын
More of this neat toggle guns!
@miguelangelsimonfernandez5498
@miguelangelsimonfernandez5498 8 жыл бұрын
Nifty mechanism
@Halinspark
@Halinspark 8 жыл бұрын
That looks fun to operate left-handed.
@wastedangelematis
@wastedangelematis 8 жыл бұрын
Ian looks busy..... so many reviews on so many weapons.... well least no fair use notification problems, many other youtubers have still problems with that and youtube seems lost on the subject. XD keep it up !
@berhorst59
@berhorst59 8 жыл бұрын
possibly a 9x57 mauser or 9.3x57. those had bullet weights near the proofing, and were sporting cartridges
@HillbillyHades
@HillbillyHades 8 жыл бұрын
The toggle action caught me off guard. I thought this was gonna be like a G41 at first.
@jackaction5247
@jackaction5247 8 жыл бұрын
Interesting design of the rifle
@roryvazley6437
@roryvazley6437 8 жыл бұрын
I love that the toggle lock is on the side
@rentAscout
@rentAscout 8 жыл бұрын
Rock Island must love Ian's "free" marketing. I wonder if it effects the final auction price having something like 50k views on this page.
@StenCheesemonger
@StenCheesemonger 8 жыл бұрын
Walther guns are just elegant, plain and simple.
@steedandersen
@steedandersen 8 жыл бұрын
Teutonic engineer in me = Geeked. Big Bore Lover in me = Geeked. Old world craftsmanship,styling in a futuristic (back then) design. Would love to have a rifle like that.
@longboi8540
@longboi8540 6 жыл бұрын
It's a shame there aren't many rifles like this left.
@Anceleron
@Anceleron 7 жыл бұрын
Wow this is the only video I can find on this rifle. At least on yt
@jamesdonaldson-webster6079
@jamesdonaldson-webster6079 8 жыл бұрын
Could it possibly be chambered in 10.3x60R Swiss?
@jamesdonaldson-webster6079
@jamesdonaldson-webster6079 8 жыл бұрын
+wood1155 From what I know / can find. The cartridge is almost identical in size and performance to 450/400 23/8" The bullet weight can range anywhere from 180 - 400 grains but 185-250 is most common. it has a bore size of about 10.3mm but the grove size is closer to 10.7 (so near .400"). Although the cartridge has all but been obsolete for a century, it is still in use in a few isolated areas the foremost being the Swiss canton of Grisons where it is the mandatory calibre for all hunting - hence it is still chambered by european companies such as Blaser and ammunition offered by the likes of RWS(185 Gr expanding cone point @ 2935 fps)
@tiortedrootsky
@tiortedrootsky 4 жыл бұрын
SO cool!
@merlemorrison482
@merlemorrison482 8 жыл бұрын
My best guess would be a 10.3x57 Mauser. Second guess would be a 10.75x57 Mauser, but that is less likely as a nominal 350 gr bullet was used. A chamber cast would be required to be certain, but I suspect that isn't going to happen.
@iclimbeverything2990
@iclimbeverything2990 6 жыл бұрын
Damn that's one smart mechanism
@Dliont
@Dliont 7 жыл бұрын
Very beaytiful gun !!!!!
@larskunoandersen282
@larskunoandersen282 8 жыл бұрын
what a wonderful rifle. realy cool. i tought p08 too-
@AnimeSunglasses
@AnimeSunglasses 8 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful gun! Ian, do you know why toggle-locked arms never caught on, beyond the Luger? They seem to me an excellent way to build a gun.
@acidwizzardbastard
@acidwizzardbastard 5 жыл бұрын
A two-year late response which isn't from Ian: Cost. Toggle locked arms are expensive and need much more precise machining.
@Punisher9419
@Punisher9419 8 жыл бұрын
That is so cool.
@Moondog66602
@Moondog66602 8 жыл бұрын
ian you've probably heard this a lot, but a stoner 63 video(preferably a long one) would be amazing.
@azkrouzreimertz9784
@azkrouzreimertz9784 8 жыл бұрын
this is probably the sexiest rifle i have seen for a long time.
@tsclly2377
@tsclly2377 7 ай бұрын
reminds me of a Browning lever action (that could be adapted to this type of toggle action, but with an internal toggle that forbids a lefty shooter).
@canidsong
@canidsong 8 жыл бұрын
Having an op-rod that pulls in tension instead of pushing in compression seems a good deal smarter, all other considerations of operation aside. Have there ever been gas piston arms with enclosed pistons that stroke forward instead of back? I'd imagine fouling of the muzzle device to be the major liability here, or at least a real concern.
@VegasCyclingFreak
@VegasCyclingFreak 8 жыл бұрын
This one is very interesting indeed.
@Burningnewt
@Burningnewt 8 жыл бұрын
will we ever see a flame thrower on the show?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 жыл бұрын
+Sam Guglin Funny you should ask; I just spent yesterday filming some flamethrower shooting.
@RockIslandAuctionCompany
@RockIslandAuctionCompany 8 жыл бұрын
+AlexanderSuperTramp WILL I EVER GET A PONY???
@RockIslandAuctionCompany
@RockIslandAuctionCompany 8 жыл бұрын
+mallory1970 I sense a trade pending.
@RockIslandAuctionCompany
@RockIslandAuctionCompany 8 жыл бұрын
+AlexanderSuperTramp As I am not a member of 19th Century European aristocracy, the pony shall remain safe.
@rekabneb
@rekabneb 8 жыл бұрын
+Sam Guglin send in some ghost peppers
@xdassinx
@xdassinx 8 жыл бұрын
Except for the back end of the action, it’s a very attractive rifle.
@SomeGuyInSandy
@SomeGuyInSandy 8 жыл бұрын
Holy smokes! As a left handed shooter, that bolt would be an eye opener... Or, in the worst case, and eye closer, lol!
@fuzzydunlop7928
@fuzzydunlop7928 7 жыл бұрын
This rifle is fucking beautiful.
@mytmousemalibu
@mytmousemalibu 8 жыл бұрын
Damn that is cool!
@dngn9522
@dngn9522 8 жыл бұрын
Very cool
@AlexBobowski
@AlexBobowski 8 жыл бұрын
"It's a little less expensive" Estimated price: $35,000 to $60,000 Yeah, I'll jump right on that. Really cool video and firearm though, it looks like a slick system for an early semi-auto rifle.
@TheBitwise
@TheBitwise 8 жыл бұрын
It sounds almost as if there are two different microphones picking up sound in this recording. Anyone else notice that?
@glockerbob
@glockerbob 8 жыл бұрын
Kind of a gas trap Grand Luger hybrid. Very cool but looks like recoil impulse would be funny feeling toggling to the side but who knows.
@j.mangum7652
@j.mangum7652 8 жыл бұрын
Ian, please do a show of a European sporter rifle with double-set triggers or point me to a previous video. I feel that setting trigger systems just don't get enough attention as they are very wonderful as aids of accuracy. Your vids are auto-liked without regret every time! : )
@strawman5300
@strawman5300 7 жыл бұрын
I just love togle lock guns
@diktatoralexander88
@diktatoralexander88 8 жыл бұрын
It looks like you're showing the rifle you shot those two deer with.
@rickkern5459
@rickkern5459 8 жыл бұрын
I realize the design was not overly successful, but that is a beautiful action @.@
@ooloncaluphid
@ooloncaluphid 8 жыл бұрын
I wonder if residual gas pressure in the barrel is meant to play a role in cycling the action after the toggle knee is bent.
@Carbon762
@Carbon762 8 жыл бұрын
Hmmmm, a gas operated gun not susceptible to carrier tilt. I like it.
@LionSilverVideos
@LionSilverVideos 8 жыл бұрын
Camera angle is alittle high... Love your videos.
@sikckaputten
@sikckaputten 4 жыл бұрын
St.m.G stands for "Stahlmantelgeschoss", which is indeed the German word for "full metal jacket".
@Birb_of_Judge
@Birb_of_Judge 3 жыл бұрын
Steel jacketed bullet would be a better translation. Because regular Full metal jacket bullets have copper jackets
@jolujo5842
@jolujo5842 6 жыл бұрын
There must be some way to gauge the chamber to determine the proper cartridge dimensions!
@mattmellinger7234
@mattmellinger7234 8 жыл бұрын
Have you ever reviewed a Browning Recoiless? Relatively modern (~20 years ago) design but flawed and obsolete now. would love to see you review one.
@Pprokop87
@Pprokop87 8 жыл бұрын
one cool gun. i wonder what happened to the project, most of the sporting rifles are 2-stroke manual operating.
@crazyfvck
@crazyfvck 8 жыл бұрын
That's just freakin cool :)
@oranjid
@oranjid 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Ian, first of all thanks for the interesting clip & sharing this nice rifle with us One question came up: i never knew of a Swiss Rheinmetall company. From all that i know Rheinmetall is a german manufacturer, and always has been (located in Duesseldorf with their first production site in 1889) I heared they have bought Solothurn AG (swiss manufacturer) after world war one, or at least sharings of the company - so they would be able to get around the versailles treaty and continue development of small arms at that time. Karl Heinemann was a german engineer for Rheinmetall. Do you have more details about any swiss involvement in this rifle? Keep up the good work :)
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 жыл бұрын
+ranji kawanji Here's a good overview: www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=1973
@oranjid
@oranjid 8 жыл бұрын
+Forgotten Weapons thank´s a real lot for the link - seems to confirm my information :) That page explains indeed pretty detailed how german Rheinmetall company used Solothurn in switzerland for their plans to develop weapons like self-loaders and machineguns. Interesting to figure out how busy german arms development was in secrecy after ww1, still during the "Weimarer Republik". Some interesting history aspects there behind this gun - similar to the mg34.
@TheDeathlord21
@TheDeathlord21 8 жыл бұрын
Rheinmetall is a german company located in Düsseldorf, Nordrhein-Westfalen. They are manufacturing the cannon-barrel of the german "Leopard-2" Tank. Definitely not a swiss company ;)
@DanielSvensson666
@DanielSvensson666 8 жыл бұрын
Yes, but they have production in several countries including Switzerland, so this is made in Switzerland by a German based company with production ther. Kinda like Apple is a US company with production in China.:)
@tillmannfischer
@tillmannfischer 8 жыл бұрын
+TheDeathlord21 The Treaty of Versailles prohibited the development and production of military self-loading rifles in Germany at the time. The weapon was made in Switzerland (which is exactly what Ian said) to circumvent that little detail.
@udowillkomm1173
@udowillkomm1173 8 жыл бұрын
Rheinmetall is basically a German company. Top location is Düsseldorf. Maybe, they had in the ´20s a location in Switzerland.
@tillmannfischer
@tillmannfischer 8 жыл бұрын
+Udo Willkomm You may want to get your history book ready, there was that little detail called "Treaty of Versailles" that restricted weapons development and production for the military in Germany between WWI and WWII...
@crunchysuperman
@crunchysuperman 8 жыл бұрын
That's gotta have a really strange recoil impulse.
@dvfd1874
@dvfd1874 8 жыл бұрын
Bet that would be scary as hell to shoot for us leftyys Ian
@justaguitardude
@justaguitardude 8 жыл бұрын
the quality is nice. i guess this bleed over to there airguns as they produce some high end very accurate air guns..
@QuantumCat76
@QuantumCat76 8 жыл бұрын
I would love to see that action in slow motion
@andrewince8824
@andrewince8824 5 жыл бұрын
I reckon it was conceived to be a boar or deer rifle. Pretty hefty round, a few follow ups in the mag. Seems plausible.
@dgoodman1484
@dgoodman1484 Жыл бұрын
I would have guessed a 40 caliber rifle in the 30’s would have ment one thing, Afrika. Depending on the powder charge it may have been just the thing for lion or buff.
@TheMrboder
@TheMrboder 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Ian! I was wondering if you hunt? If you do which kind of rifle do you prefer?
@thelaughinghyenas7962
@thelaughinghyenas7962 8 жыл бұрын
Ian, That mechanism kind of looks like the Japanese Trials Gas-Operated Pedersen Rifle that you did a video on earlier this month. Both are toggle locked with the "op rod" going forward. Do you think there was any relationship?
@ChristianMcAngus
@ChristianMcAngus 8 жыл бұрын
+The Laughing Hyenas I was thinking that myself. I doubt there is any relationship, just a similar solution to a common problem.
@thelaughinghyenas7962
@thelaughinghyenas7962 8 жыл бұрын
ChristophInns , I am wondering. If I were a Japanese project manager and I had to design a rifle one of the first things I would do is get every advertisement for any existing rifle of similar specifications. Did the guy get catalogs?
@Misterturkes
@Misterturkes 8 жыл бұрын
Quick question Ian. Do you find buyers using your videos to inform their bids? Or are they more knowledgeable about the weapons than even yourself?
@iotaje1
@iotaje1 8 жыл бұрын
The toggle cover is an interesting idea, and the toggle unlocker is much simpler than a Pedersen's. Wouldn't this kind of system be very sensitive to dirt or mud in the front of the rifle though?
@viswasubramanian4738
@viswasubramanian4738 Жыл бұрын
Yes
@KarlBunker
@KarlBunker 8 жыл бұрын
That seems like it would be a super-reliable mechanism. Any thoughts on why it wasn't more successful?
@kimjanek646
@kimjanek646 8 жыл бұрын
+KarlBunker too expensive to make maybe? *shrug*
@Guy_GuyGuy
@Guy_GuyGuy 8 жыл бұрын
+KarlBunker Well for one, the "Bang" gas system is not a very good gas system, designers would try it later on the Gewehr 41 and M1 Garand and found how quickly fouled it got. Not super-reliable at all.
@Schmidt54
@Schmidt54 8 жыл бұрын
I would call it the German Rheinmetall company, because of the military limitations of the Versailles treaty after WW1 they used loopholes in Germany to work on guns, hence using a third party country to work in since it technically did not violate the limitations of the treaty. Not unlike tax loopholes in these days. :D Also St.m.G. probably means "Stahlmantelgeschoss", aka full metal (steel) jacket.
@hernerweisenberg7052
@hernerweisenberg7052 8 жыл бұрын
hi, as far as i know, rheinmetall is a german company, wich, in order to work around the versailles treaty, bought a swiss arms manufactur company called Solothrunes AG. i dont know if thats related to this gun, but i never heard about a swiss rheinmetall.
@tillmannfischer
@tillmannfischer 8 жыл бұрын
+Werner Heisenberg Rheinmetall-Borsig openly used the capacities of the Waffenfabrik Soluthurn to produce weapons they couldn't develop and manufacture in Germany. These were mostly export weapons, but some weapons production was done directly under the Rheinmetall-Borsig label and relatively openly so, in spite of the violation of the treaty.
@Metalgearmadness
@Metalgearmadness 8 жыл бұрын
could you slug the bore and see if you can figure out what cartridge it fires
@piRaufasertapete
@piRaufasertapete 8 жыл бұрын
5:03 now I can use what I learned in mechanics at University
@therealinak
@therealinak 6 жыл бұрын
Not a lot of cartridges in that diameter. Fewer were commonly jacketed. 10.75X57 Mannlicher is all I can find, so probably a likely candidate?
@myramadd6651
@myramadd6651 8 жыл бұрын
Interesting design, but being left handed, I'd worry that toggle would hit me in the face.
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