War Thunder's Light Tank Problem

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Spookston

Spookston

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Just like heavy tanks, light tanks are a point of contention within the War Thunder community. A decent portion of people seem to think that they are inherently overpowered. I don't totally agree, but let's go ahead and take a closer look at this vehicle type.
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@Azerkeux 2 жыл бұрын
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@danmendoza863 2 жыл бұрын
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@Vulkanprimarch
@Vulkanprimarch 2 жыл бұрын
"Scouting 4 tanks is trivial" ME: (CRIES IN SHIT PLAYER)
@AveragePootis
@AveragePootis 2 жыл бұрын
The scouting is also incredibly buggy, most of the time you cant scout enemies in plain sight and many times you can scout through rocks and buildings
@salakiadam24
@salakiadam24 2 жыл бұрын
Man thats the worst,you can scout someone when you only see the tip of the antenna when hull down but then you cant scout a tank in the open field because there is a bush to the side of the crosshair
@AveragePootis
@AveragePootis 2 жыл бұрын
@@naturalstateofmind2115 nah, sometimes i have failed to scout people so close, that they could smell my diesel
@88Madurga
@88Madurga 2 жыл бұрын
@@naturalstateofmind2115 Thought so, but even with "improved optics" it tend to fail. But one consistent thing is, at far distances couting with binoculars might fail while using the gunner sight wont (same vehicle, position and distance)
@piscessoedroen
@piscessoedroen 2 жыл бұрын
pretty sure last year they nerfed scouting so you can't scout enemy beyond certain distance, which is a load of bull
@Matt85ism
@Matt85ism 2 жыл бұрын
I found a trick that seems to work 99% of the time. make sure your turret is pointed in the direction of the vehicle your scouting.
@pavelslama5543
@pavelslama5543 2 жыл бұрын
Light tanks: should have speed Light tanks in the game: kinda have speed, not the best, but compensate it with better guns than they should have Medium tanks: should be universal, kinda ok-ish in everything Medium tanks in the game: some are even good at everything, the rest are precisely what they should be Heavy tanks: should have armor Heavy tanks in the game: armor is useless, everyone has bunker busting shells and huge guns
@TacoWithChela
@TacoWithChela 2 жыл бұрын
PT-76B wan't to know your location
@cerdi_99
@cerdi_99 2 жыл бұрын
@@TacoWithChela it's not fast, but it has a good shell after u research it (HEATFS ftw) plus u can try and become a boat XD
@JOE_BIDEN...
@JOE_BIDEN... 2 жыл бұрын
@@cerdi_99 but the heat fs does very.little damage on some tanks and panter has an same pen on a flat angle its only real advantage is a stabaliser and that makes it ok
@cerdi_99
@cerdi_99 2 жыл бұрын
@@JOE_BIDEN... yes but this heatfs pens anything at the front and while it does very little dmg his other types of ammo suck so much they pen 130. Compared to the 200 of the heatfs they suck. And yeah stabiliser is great on the pt76, afaik its the first tank to have full stabiliser. Which makes sense bc that tanks isnt from WW2, it's a cold war tank XD
@liviuganea4108
@liviuganea4108 2 жыл бұрын
@@cerdi_99 It's decently fast. What do you want? 120 km/h?
@dansmagicalcreations2162
@dansmagicalcreations2162 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with this, the versatility of MBTs and Mediums leave lights and heavies in the dust which is infuriating as a heavy player
@dixievfd55
@dixievfd55 2 жыл бұрын
Especially when you're playing a Tiger 2H and you get dragged up to 7.7 and left in the dust by Leopards and Pattons.
@osmacar5331
@osmacar5331 2 жыл бұрын
Why do you think we shifted to them
@StrikeWyvern
@StrikeWyvern 2 жыл бұрын
I used to love my old Soviet heavies at 7.7+, but now they're just pincushions for APFSDS and get cheesed out by HEATFS. They just sit and collect dust at this point.
@nuclearhominoidea
@nuclearhominoidea 2 жыл бұрын
@@osmacar5331 but its a game
@scottgorby2307
@scottgorby2307 2 жыл бұрын
@@dixievfd55 that’s kinda why heavy tanks no longer exist after the 1950s because thats what happened in reality
@pauld6967
@pauld6967 2 жыл бұрын
In a battle about 20 minutes ago I successfully flanked using my Maus. Clearly the other team never imagined such a thing happening.
@evanburke2766
@evanburke2766 2 жыл бұрын
Impressive
@archanabisen5592
@archanabisen5592 2 жыл бұрын
The enemy team's worst fear: a heavy tank flanks
@pauld6967
@pauld6967 2 жыл бұрын
@@archanabisen5592 Oh yeah. I caused a bit of panic in at least two of them. In an earlier battle my speedy tank destroyer got behind their lines and THREE of the enemy abandoned their charge to the capture point to turn around & chase me down. They got me but my team got the cap point. So, I was okay with getting taken out.
@archanabisen5592
@archanabisen5592 2 жыл бұрын
@@pauld6967 good for you, i tried doing that with the tiger, but an enemy 76 jumbo had the same idea. You can guess what happened next
@pauld6967
@pauld6967 2 жыл бұрын
@@archanabisen5592 A moment where you both paused, thinking "where did he come from?!?" Followed by one of you getting to the trigger just a little bit quicker.
@MDPToaster
@MDPToaster 2 жыл бұрын
Light tanks can be countered with awareness combined with ADHD unless they’re either wearing a forest (this doesn’t matter which map you’re on, because your reaction time will be reduced regardless) and if the shoddy rendering system doesn’t make the model unrender because only it’s gun is peaking out of a rock.
@user-vgrau
@user-vgrau 2 жыл бұрын
in what world EAC have something to do with render problems? They revamped visibility mechanic in 1.65, long before EAC introduction, and it was even more terrible then it is now.
@MDPToaster
@MDPToaster 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-vgrau Easy anti cheat supposedly culls vehicles that are supposed to be behind a map object you can’t see through like rocks and it can often lead to imprecise results with smaller tanks.
@user-vgrau
@user-vgrau 2 жыл бұрын
@@MDPToaster as I said, it's a mechanic that was in the game from the start. Read 1.65 patchnotes and how people reacted to that bullshit on the forum, it's easy to find. EAC have no influence on the internal mechanics, that's all gaijoob's terrible work that plagues this game for ages.
@MDPToaster
@MDPToaster 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-vgrau Well nuts thanks
@panzerlite8108
@panzerlite8108 2 жыл бұрын
My only issue is with tanks sometimes disappearing. I got lucky and was born with a good sixth sense of sorts that tells me occasionally to expect someone behind me soon, which often saves me and has done so several times this week.
@Tswa567
@Tswa567 2 жыл бұрын
I think the main issue of light tanks is that a lot of them are early Cold War tanks artificially downtiered to fight WW2 tanks that were never intended to counter them.
@honkhonk8009
@honkhonk8009 Жыл бұрын
Stop crying. US T34s and King Tigers are perfectly capable of countering light tanks. The problem isnt HEAT. HEAT at that BR is fucking useless and you have to pinpoint crewmembers to do shit. The problem is how bigass 120mm guns apparently dont do shit against lightly armoured marders.
@TinyBearTim
@TinyBearTim Жыл бұрын
@@honkhonk8009 no ww2 and Cold War mixing is a bad idea
@edwardking9359
@edwardking9359 11 ай бұрын
​@TinyBearTim Is the m26 pershing a ww2 or cold war tank, given it was designed for ww2 but only saw full front line service afterwards? that kind of question makes splitting ww2 and cold war difficult, especially since a lot of so-called cold war vehicles were designed to fight during ww2, it just ended before they were ready.
@Martel_Clips
@Martel_Clips 2 жыл бұрын
the issue with light tanks is mostly a question of BR placement and BR compression
@misschauffarde5112
@misschauffarde5112 2 жыл бұрын
Well that's a issue with every véhicule or War thunder
@iamsadlmao4415
@iamsadlmao4415 2 жыл бұрын
Hate how ''useless'' they are on top tier. MBTs are better in every way and for some reason, almost every light tank is so slow (amx-13s, strf's etc.) when IRL they are 2x faster and 2x more nimble, especially acceleration and turning
@Retrosicotte
@Retrosicotte 2 жыл бұрын
That's because Gaijin is still modelling every vehicle off of T-34 mechanics for drive. ie - Inability to accelerate while turning, torque not modelled, track width is over-prioritised as a defining trait.
@naamadossantossilva4736
@naamadossantossilva4736 2 жыл бұрын
@@Retrosicotte I wonder why.
@Midnight_Snakk
@Midnight_Snakk 2 жыл бұрын
@@naamadossantossilva4736 Laziness
@bickboose9364
@bickboose9364 2 жыл бұрын
@@naamadossantossilva4736 no profit incentive to make it better
@jakearmstrong335
@jakearmstrong335 2 жыл бұрын
The Rooikat 105 is essentially useless because it seems as if everyone is faster than me and has better armor and firepower. The real life Rooikat actually have great mobility and they don't even use DM23..... they have much better rounds
@CheezeSpartan
@CheezeSpartan 2 жыл бұрын
Oh how convenient I see this after dying to a TAM in my 3rd night battle in a row when im trying to grind NVGs
@EnderGhost119
@EnderGhost119 2 жыл бұрын
Night battles should get their own video. Trying to grind the Soviet tech tree was hellish with night battles. You get the T-55 and 62, the IT-1, and BMP 1 with NVDs, which is fun right? Except the Germans can get a whole line up of tanks with thermals at that BR. L/44, begal, etc. Same with the Americans and it's just not fun getting sniped through forests and bushes because the other guy has thermal images and I'm just trying to feel my way through the map with a flightlight and my eyes squinted. And I mean I like night battles, I think they're fun, or would be more fun if they were implemented better.
@spazzkill4092
@spazzkill4092 2 жыл бұрын
"War Thunder's Light Tank Problem" * shows M41A1 on the thumbnail * Oh boy this is gonna be interesting
@matheuspopo13
@matheuspopo13 2 жыл бұрын
M41 givime depresion when i start to play it
@satomonster568
@satomonster568 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't gotten to sabot on mine yet, nor most of the mobility upgrades, but it honestly just feels like a bigger chaffee with less reliable armor. A good first or second spawn, but only really reliable as a close-mid range flanking vehicle on particular maps.
@satomonster568
@satomonster568 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah nevermind, with sabot its pretty cursed. Not unbelievably broken though, I'd say the PT-76B is much more unbalanced than it.
@Hovis_Enjoyer
@Hovis_Enjoyer 2 жыл бұрын
M41A1 is undertiered
@G4Br1ELCLM
@G4Br1ELCLM 2 жыл бұрын
The M41 is the only US tank that actually counters German armor on the Rank IV, pretty much most German mains hate the US M41 but turn a blind eye to the German M41.
@searaider3340
@searaider3340 2 жыл бұрын
The worst thing is ww2 tanks versing cold war era light tanks with heat-fs that can one-shot them from the front, they are much faster, agile and deadlier.
@derpsturmpanzer1008
@derpsturmpanzer1008 2 жыл бұрын
Me being one shot from 2KM in my Tiger H from a PT-76 that touched my ammo with a HEAT-FS ... Pain
@deBussyLicker
@deBussyLicker 2 жыл бұрын
This is such a pain. I stopped playing heavy tanks because they are useless on most maps compared to light tanks. You don't need superior armor and immense firepower if you are behind your enemy. It's just annoying if you go that 10kmh and get shot in your side before you even leave the spawn
@illturralli
@illturralli 2 жыл бұрын
The problem i have with light tanks are that they are extremely under tiered. People scream "but i can't pen the heavies", while im like.... No shit Sherlock?! You're in a light tank, you're not supposed to yeet heavies frontally from 2km... But gaijin disagree and puts heat-fs bs in lpw brs..
@clevernamegotban1752
@clevernamegotban1752 2 жыл бұрын
There's still so many vehicles that can't scout that should be able to if the player uptiered themselves to tier 2 or higher like the Sdkfz 234/1 and M8 greyhound.
@robertharris6092
@robertharris6092 2 жыл бұрын
They need to NERF spawn points twords planes that light tanks get. not buff.
@firstduckofwellington6889
@firstduckofwellington6889 2 жыл бұрын
Because both are rank 1?
@kirishima638
@kirishima638 2 жыл бұрын
It’s because Gaijjn know scouting is OP so they chose not to give it to reserves.
@firstduckofwellington6889
@firstduckofwellington6889 2 жыл бұрын
@@kirishima638 Evidence?
@gavinjenkins899
@gavinjenkins899 2 жыл бұрын
Why would they let you be so much closer to full effectiveness but pay like 1/10th the repair cost? Doesn't make sense for their business model.
@saymonek0
@saymonek0 2 жыл бұрын
Spookston in 5 years: "War Thunder's War Thunder problem"
@Predator20357
@Predator20357 2 жыл бұрын
Strange how WW2 (Early to Mid, Maybe Late) feels like the most balance when it comes to Light, Medium and Heavy Tanks. Edit: What I mean is the fact that Light Tanks don’t seem overpowered when compared to Heavy Tanks or Medium Tanks, not that WW2 itself is the most balance, sorry if you got confused.
@allseeingeye3182
@allseeingeye3182 2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion WW2 is mostly the only tier you can have fun in
@socialjihad5724
@socialjihad5724 2 жыл бұрын
It's because early on, size mattered more. If you wanted a powerful gun, you needed to make it bigger. Bigger gun meant bigger tank. Bigger tank means slower tank, so you get this nice blend of compensation and tradeoffs between firepower, mobility, and armor/survivability. With advancements in technology, you could put crazy firepower on smaller tanks, and actual armor became less and less relevant. Basically, modern vehicles just don't really have to make tradeoffs in one category to be better in another
@dr_birb
@dr_birb 2 жыл бұрын
Except Germany 5.3, panther and tiger are so op, easiest matches in my life. They should be much much higher, but then we hit the power creep ceiling (which doesn't seem a problem (it is) when up-br-ing shermans and jumbos). Maybe if matches weren't full br difference, but like 0.7 (5.0-5.7 instead current 5.0-6.0) That or just make top br 13.0+ and decompress everything from low tier up
@Predator20357
@Predator20357 2 жыл бұрын
@@dr_birb Nah, I disagree as Tiger 1s aren’t that bad and neither are Panthers they are fine where they are but I do have a slight problem with the Easy Eight being 5.7, damn US players not sucking as much or as badly as Tiger 1 players
@kirishima638
@kirishima638 2 жыл бұрын
Because that's what the game was designed for.
@arima272
@arima272 2 жыл бұрын
"Light tanks can be countered by awareness" thats one way to counter them, but do you know how many of Warthunder's players plays the game with blindfold on their eyes?
@aregulargenericname8794
@aregulargenericname8794 2 жыл бұрын
@@LordTomi2011 Wait their people? I thought it was an ai with down syndrome
@robertharris6092
@robertharris6092 2 жыл бұрын
I still belive that the german tryhards just play the entire game in sniper vision. Iv literaly had an enemy that flanks me as im driving out of spawn. Shoot me in the rear/engine and killed my breech. Im MGing him. And this panthers taking the same path as me. The enemy RUNS INTO the panther. And he just moves around and keeps going before getting shot in the back of the turret and killed and the enemy then turns back and shoots me.
@memeboi6108
@memeboi6108 2 жыл бұрын
@@robertharris6092 when I was still a newer player that was one of my worst habits being in sniper vision for to long and not looking around . Of course I would take it off when I was moving but yeah.
@toki_tsu_kaze5511
@toki_tsu_kaze5511 2 жыл бұрын
That lack of awareness is the reason why people think R3 is overpowered
@erictheepic5019
@erictheepic5019 2 жыл бұрын
@@toki_tsu_kaze5511 Bush R3 (and bush tanks in general) go beyond situational awareness. It's one thing to not see that someone has flanked you. It's another entirely to be able to tell if a tank covered in bushes is hiding in even more bushes, especially without being suspect of literally every bush.
@The_Crimson_Fucker
@The_Crimson_Fucker 2 жыл бұрын
Puma, Chafee, Stuart, Crusader all of these are light tanks that are perfectly fine. The problem is that at higher BRs Gaijin "balances" light tanks by taking their lack of armor and countering it by putting them at a BR where they have the most favorable firepower advantage. Mobility, secondaries(like stabilizers and night vision) don't seem to enter the frame much if at all.
@robertharris6092
@robertharris6092 2 жыл бұрын
Yet the m4a3 76 is somehow at the same BR as a tiger 1 because it has a stabalizer...
@The_Crimson_Fucker
@The_Crimson_Fucker 2 жыл бұрын
@@robertharris6092 It's not at that BR because it has a stabilizer. Gaijin's original reasoning was because of HVSS, which was demonstrated to be bullshit, then they pivoted to the reason being that it gets HVAP - which being APCR is only marginally useful in uptiers. In the end, it's at that tier because Germs need something to shoot at, and it's going to stay there because despite this fact American players still do better on average.
@derpsturmpanzer1008
@derpsturmpanzer1008 2 жыл бұрын
I think Chaffee is OP due to the explosive filler of its APCBC and the stabilized gun. Its so fun to play, but sometimes I feel that is significantly superior than the Sherman for the same BR. And is Undefeatable for other similar lights like crusader III that hasn't any .50 MG. I think that a 4.0 of BR Will be fine for a tank of 1944
@The_Crimson_Fucker
@The_Crimson_Fucker 2 жыл бұрын
@@derpsturmpanzer1008 Utterly wrong on every possible level. Gameplay wise, it's literally just a slightly more capable but slower Puma. 4.0 would be utterly ridiculous.
@demete1230
@demete1230 2 жыл бұрын
@@The_Crimson_Fucker I agree, personally the Chaffee doesn't feel OP to fight against at all. It's got a great gun, sure, but it doesn't have any armor, and it's quite an easy target, thanks to the big turret. Also, it doesn't really have a speed high enough to avoid shots. Overall I think it's great for its tier, but it still dies really quickly if you're aware it's there. Just a good light tank.
@loludead4142
@loludead4142 2 жыл бұрын
i main heavy tank when i get flanked by a light tank and get killed by a side shot I don't get mad but when a light tank penetrate me frontally from a long-distance making one of my strong points obsolete it's quite frustrating note: I don't have any problems with light tanks it's just sometimes I feel useless
@jaxrammus9165
@jaxrammus9165 2 жыл бұрын
thats on gaijin for letting vehicles ten years down the line fight those vehicles. a same tier heavy and light are fairly close but the uptiered lights are just fucking obbnoxious
@mp-kj9uo
@mp-kj9uo 2 жыл бұрын
gaijin despises heavies
@ticktacktoe9110
@ticktacktoe9110 Жыл бұрын
i often kill enemy tanks from far with my ikv 91 but the one big problem i have is the fact that enemies can kill me with their Machine Gun
@edwardking9359
@edwardking9359 11 ай бұрын
​@@ticktacktoe9110Congratulations, you are essentially one step away from an infantryman with a bazooka.
@reinbeers5322
@reinbeers5322 2 жыл бұрын
Hull break should be brought back instead of overpressure. It's incredibly annoying to hit a light tank with large APHE and have then shrug it off because no armor is best armor.
@crazyadam9281
@crazyadam9281 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, the overpressure mechanic is garbage compared to the hull break mechanic, hell when I was playing my Sho't Kal I got killed by overpressure because a Gepard peppered my turret front.
@reinbeers5322
@reinbeers5322 2 жыл бұрын
@@crazyadam9281 I can oneshot a Ka-Chi by shooting its turret face with 75mm HEAT. And there are Jumbo users getting oneshot by Tigers who overpressure their crews with 88mm APHE and its relatively tiny filler.
@valg.2320
@valg.2320 2 жыл бұрын
The light tank problem i think is that the heavies are sick of them, at some br, they are spammed, like the marder A1... With that you add a unbalanced BR and a rocket, and you have a nightmare for 6.7 ww2 tanks
@misschauffarde5112
@misschauffarde5112 2 жыл бұрын
You are literaly talking about one of the most waited tank of the game of course gaijin is going to make it op for people to grind it trough golden pigon
@legaroojack1251
@legaroojack1251 2 жыл бұрын
"they still have to aim for weak spots in most cases" I didn't realize that 6.7 light tanks with HEATFS or APDS had to aim for weak spots. the HEATFS and APDS from light tanks almost always has more than enough penetration to go straight through enemy armor without even trying. Light tanks are also better in head on engagements unless they are facing multiple opponents because they often have faster turret rotation and better gun handling then heavies and mediums. They guns also mitigate the only thing heavies have to their advantage...their armor. Lets look at one example. something like a T92 vs a tiger 2(H). now the T92 has a HEATFS shell with 254mm of pen while the tiger 2 has an APHE shell with 237mm of pen. The tiger 2 has much thicker armor but is slower. the T92 is a paper weight and is much faster. The advantage the tiger 2 has is useless against the T92 while still having the disadvantages the come from its armor, the T92 in this regard comes off as better because it mitigates the ones thing the tiger 2 has. So the tiger 2 has to face an opponent that is faster, smaller, has a faster reload, has better turret traverse and gun handling and that can go straight through its armor with ease. while the T92 has to go up against an opponent that is slower, larger, has a slower reload, slower turret traverse and gun handling and that can go straight through its armor with ease. You see the problem. This goes for all heavies around that BR. T34 vs the german M41, tiger 2's vs M56, T92 and M41, the IS tanks vs T92, M56 and M41. The statement that you can go on the flank and outplay the lights there is also kinda pointless as light tanks will always get there first and use their position to kill you before you can counter them.
@danmendoza863
@danmendoza863 2 жыл бұрын
Someone has skill issues /s
@legaroojack1251
@legaroojack1251 2 жыл бұрын
@@danmendoza863 well done for admitting that you do, it takes courage.
@danmendoza863
@danmendoza863 2 жыл бұрын
​@@legaroojack1251 same to you chadbroski
@ShadowsOfTheSky
@ShadowsOfTheSky Жыл бұрын
@@legaroojack1251 You do have to aim for weak spots with HEAT-FS, because unlike APHE, you just aren’t going to kill anyone unless you hit them in the exact right position, places that you can 1-shot. Weak spots for a light tank is Ammunition and places where the crew is all lined up. Yes, I can pen you by shooting head on at the thickest part of your armor with 400mm pen Heat, but I’m going to do absolutely nothing to you, maybe kill your driver, but you’re fine. I have to memorize the location of the Ammunition on every single tank, because Ammunition is the only way to 1 shot anything. In a Tiger II, you have to memorize or Identify weak spots in whatever faces you, because your shell pens much less. But if you do pen, the large caliber APHE will instantly wipe out the entire crew, resulting in a 1-shot pretty much anywhere on the tank aside from the engine. There’s a trade off. I’ll pen, but do nothing to you if I don’t memorize Ammunition Storage locations. You might not pen, so you need to find thin spots in the armor, but if you pen, I die. It happens all the time, I kill heavies because they’re being stupid. Watch Spooks’ video on “The Tiger Problem,” I see the exact same thing happen with the whole IS- series and the Tiger II all the time. If you want to kill a light tank, in cities just wait for them to peek you. At 6.7, none of them have stabilizers, so just shoot the front of them as they peek out. You’ll definitely kill the driver, and probably the whole crew. If not, inch forward to get a better angle to kill the turret crew, but don’t expose yourself to their cannon. On long range maps, just stay down in cover or in the cities, where they can’t ever see you, or, when you peek, peek sticking the side of your turret that has the Commander/Loader first. The light tank will shoot whatever it sees first, almost certainly penning and killing your commander and loader, but now you have them in your sights and your gunner is ready to shoot. Turn that light tank’s crew into a smooth paste. Often I see heavy tanks play dumb and complain because they think they should be invincible. They shouldn’t be, but what they should be, and they are, is able to win any 1v1 engagement if they play smart. Yes this works, I used to play Russia, now I’m Swedish.
@legaroojack1251
@legaroojack1251 Жыл бұрын
@@ShadowsOfTheSky seeing as the majority of tanks share crew layouts with the gunner and commander being next to the gun and the gun being a weak spot. Light tanks negate the one thing that makes heavy tanks heavy tanks. So both tanks can easily pen each other however the one is faster, has better turret turn speed, reload speed, it's smaller and can spot enemies with the single downside being that most heavies one shot them if they hit the crew compartment. I also think that you're way under playing the damage that HEATFS can do. If you're not an idiot and you aim next to the gun or at the gun or just at the turret in general you will either hit the ammo and one shot them or cripple them allowing you quickly finish them off with a second shot. Don't try and make it seem like the single trade off of less damage negates or even comes close to the various other advantages a light tank has over a heavy. Seeing as speed is one of the biggest advantages in the game light tanks are always able to get to good spots on the map before heavies. Further giving then an advantage. I also find it funny how you mention the fact that when they shoot you they will kill your commander and loader but then your gunner is still there so you can shoot them. You totally ignored the fact that the majority of tanks have their commander and gunner on the same side of the turret in a line, you also ignored the fact that even if your gunner survives he's not going to just sit around and let you shoot him, he's going to use his speed to get back into cover. Now you're down two crew members and he's down a single round.
@sanguineaurora8765
@sanguineaurora8765 2 жыл бұрын
If a light tank can go through a heavy tank's front without any aiming requirement (like penetrating an angled King Tiger from UFP without looking for weak spots.) then you know there is a pretty serious problem with the game.
@edi9892
@edi9892 2 жыл бұрын
There's one aspect that surprised me that you didn't mention it: light tanks and tank destroyers are usually post-war vehicles facing WWII-era opponents. I wanted to unlock Tiger II and Jagdtiger, but when I got them, I was utterly disappointed, especially with the latter. Before I could get it to a decent firing position, someone would usually shoot me from across the map with APFSDS, or HEAT-FS/AT-missiles. Pretty much every hit made my vehicle go up in a ball of flames! Even more frustrating was that Tiger II could be penetrated at the turret and sides by everything and again, nearly 100% of the time, it meant ammo-cookoff! Meanwhile, I was facing IS3, IS6 and IS7 and everything just bounced off even when I aimed for the weak spots. I got so frustrated with the lack in firepower and mobility that I purchased the Ru257. I was really surprised. It destroyed every target with some skill and even the 122mm shells of the Russians usually did little damage to it. Heck, I was hit by a Maus and an IS6 about 5x and I still managed to kill both! (the first hit knocked my crew out and it got hit two more times, before I could retaliate, but I just needed two shots and I was done). Similarly, BMP2 is an amazing tank killer and can take a lot of hits. -or at least could when I played it the last time. Begleitpanzer with it's rapid fire APHE-cannon would kill MBTs of the last generation in cities at stunning speeds. It's like in earlier games where you shower a road with many tanks by a Nebelwerfer.
@StarkRaven59
@StarkRaven59 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine my utter shock when Spookston's biggest complaint is the easy proliferation of CAS. I'm getting really tired of being nuked by Pe-8s after a BT-7 rushes a cap from spawn...
@SuperCookieGaming_
@SuperCookieGaming_ 2 жыл бұрын
i disagree that the removal of hull break was good. it is incredibly frustrating when a light tank doesn’t take damage from large caliber shells. i have had aphe shells hit the the armor not fuse and then continue going into the tank hitting multiple modules even engines and still not fusing. Also i disagree that aphe filler should be doing as much overpressure kills as it does now. because an aphe shell has to be strong enough to penetrate the armor it means the shell is thicker thus taking more energy from the he filler. with the same filler amount an aphe shell has less pressure damage compared to an he shell due to the loss of energy of breaking the aphe shell. right now a tiger 1 can over pressure a jumbo by shootings its mantlet with aphe. that shouldn’t be happening.
@0Ploxx
@0Ploxx 2 жыл бұрын
tldr commenter is shit at the game
@rawhidelamp
@rawhidelamp 2 жыл бұрын
@@0Ploxx well regardless, the point on APHE still stands
@vaelophisnyx9873
@vaelophisnyx9873 2 жыл бұрын
@@0Ploxx You can consider points without directly attacking someone actually, it's a novel concept you should try.
@0Ploxx
@0Ploxx 2 жыл бұрын
@@vaelophisnyx9873 nah
@satomonster568
@satomonster568 2 жыл бұрын
There is certainly room for improvement with the current system, but I don't know that bringing back overpressure is the best solution. Sure, shooting a 76mm high velocity round through an R3 and doing no meaningful damage is complete bs, but nicking the crew compartment and causing instant death isn't great either. That being said, I don't really have any great ideas for how they could fix it. More spall I guess would help.
@Orangefan77
@Orangefan77 2 жыл бұрын
You're slightly incorrect about the scouting regarding the cheaper airspawn costs- the scouted enemies need to be destroyed by your team, while they are still scouted, in order for you to get reduced air spawn point cost. It's not enough to merely scout them.
@robertharris6092
@robertharris6092 2 жыл бұрын
9/10 times i scout an enemy that im trying to kill myself for tge extra money. And someone steals the kill anyway.
@vaelophisnyx9873
@vaelophisnyx9873 2 жыл бұрын
@@robertharris6092 it's a team game. Kill Stealing is not a thing that matters
@LothricPaladin
@LothricPaladin 2 жыл бұрын
@@vaelophisnyx9873 this is a grinding game, you get higher RP and SL rewards for kills vs. assists. Kill stealing absolutely matters.
@JimmyMcCbob
@JimmyMcCbob 2 жыл бұрын
@@LothricPaladin its both , a team grind game, no such thing as kill stealing
@cmurderfrumpbottoniv8647
@cmurderfrumpbottoniv8647 2 жыл бұрын
@@JimmyMcCbob i agree
@worldwar2historyandgear970
@worldwar2historyandgear970 2 жыл бұрын
You're completely right. Today, I shot an EBR in the turret with a Tiger 88. It bounced. Point blank. He killed me. I had to keep telling myself I was gijianed and it didn't matter, but damn, I was mad.
@AHappyCub
@AHappyCub 2 жыл бұрын
My AMX-13 (FL-10)'s turret once bounce an 88mm, idk how, all I know is he's dead right after
@worldwar2historyandgear970
@worldwar2historyandgear970 2 жыл бұрын
@@AHappyCub Because War Thunder.
@jeandelacroix6726
@jeandelacroix6726 2 жыл бұрын
Shot a Pz III dude inside turned yellow. Yeah bro a 25mm shell right in the head doesnt do shit. Gaijin fucks everyone.
@cardiv5zuikaku944
@cardiv5zuikaku944 2 жыл бұрын
Me in Comet in the past fire an EBR on the turret at point-blank range, yet the shell bounce
@norknight9406
@norknight9406 2 жыл бұрын
T-92 takes the no armor best armor to another level. Casually bounces tiger 2 ap hit to upper glacis
@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537
@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537 2 жыл бұрын
**trash pen algorithm with zero intent to fix it intensifies**
@MetalX34
@MetalX34 2 жыл бұрын
perhaps the real issue is not the light class but a more specific archetype combining tremendous speed and good firepower. nobody cares about uptiered locusts because they have a shit gun overall. meanwhile, game history has shown examples of tank metas fitting the label: leo1 and close equivalents were king until the new era, hellcat bullied asses for eons, r3 t20 serves as a more recent reminder. flanking or not is not even a vital factor. this game values positioning hard, and in symmetrical game modes going fast not only enables you to have the good positions but also to pick your fights far more conveniently. i can understand why some argue these vehicles are easy mode since they give you leeways in the most essential skill sets.
@adbp1513
@adbp1513 2 жыл бұрын
Locust is overpowered at 5.7 duuuude your so lame - random tiger 1h player who I flanked along with his jagdpanther friend someone cares about it lel also yes very true things, the M18 still is a menace to a lot of people apparently.
@88Madurga
@88Madurga 2 жыл бұрын
Armor meta died when they introduced HEATFS. Whats the point of driving a heavy if one light can oneshot you? Just drive a light and be sure you can pen anything you see from any direction. Thats why I like the Type 65 in the USSR tree way before they introduced China (was the best option agains the Maus) and the Ru 251 against the Red heavies.
@nicolaspeigne1429
@nicolaspeigne1429 2 жыл бұрын
oneshots with heatfs are possible if the stars (crew) align or if you can manage to snipe ammo. i would take aphe every day over heatfs except frontally against a super heavy and if you're against a super heavy and you lived the first seconds, track and barrel torture works every time.
@themightycat7238
@themightycat7238 2 жыл бұрын
(In my personal experiance fighting tigers) I used to really struggle against tigers, and not only me but also my team, a tiger could just hold a choke point for ages. Thats the power of heavies, holding ground and taking punches. When i unlocked the PT-76B that all changed, and so did my tactics, i would stay in the back and let my team take charge and if there was one of those pesky tigers again just tap them into the gunner and problem solved. Thats the power of light tanks. Both have their strengths and weaknesses, and both are very usefull for a team when used correctly. Heavy tanks need to be weak to lights otherwise they would too strong. And light tanks need to be good against heavies otherwise they have no use since a medium would be better in every case then.
@jaxrammus9165
@jaxrammus9165 2 жыл бұрын
@@themightycat7238 the fucking difference is that the heavy players gets no fucking say in where you go how long it takes you to get there and they get no escape. what you just described is overpowered in nature, imagine calling the ability to just make someones choices in tank obsolete just by spamming heat-fs is a good gameplay mechanic. to make it balanced give all heavies a 2kg aphe to overpressure lights and then well see how healthy it is to be able to just erase someone
@88Madurga
@88Madurga 2 жыл бұрын
@@themightycat7238 when I finally unlocked the H1, took it for its first ride and got 10 kills, it was just absurd. But the old days of heavies vs heavies sending and receiving shots left and right was fun, IS-2 & 3 vs KT2s and Maus, no cas spam. Your team had to coordinate to flank and disable the super heavies... now is about who gets to shoot first.
@88Madurga
@88Madurga 2 жыл бұрын
@@nicolaspeigne1429 sure, you need to know where the ammo rack is on every vehicle and pray the gods it will explode. Is like APDS, most people seem to dislike it, but is the best (most reliable) AP in my experience.
@OkamiiSenpai
@OkamiiSenpai 2 жыл бұрын
Given a lot of Tank Destroyers are now classified as Light Tanks in game, really muddies the waters when talking about what to do with TDs and LTs
@robertharris6092
@robertharris6092 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that was fucking stupid. TDs can have scouting. So there was no point.
@jonathanallen3688
@jonathanallen3688 2 жыл бұрын
Eh it made sense for the hellcat at least. While classified as TD they were often used as qrf/scouts in case of an enemy breakthrough. So tactically a light.
@Kminek246
@Kminek246 2 жыл бұрын
I still remember that time when i shot a radkampfwagen 90 3 times, he have no kills, no asist, no cap but i guess he scouted few vehicles and he imidiatly spawn in G91
@joshuamueller3206
@joshuamueller3206 2 жыл бұрын
It is fun to gun and run with the BT series, and their prominent weak spots keep them balanced.
@manofharlech5775
@manofharlech5775 2 жыл бұрын
The trade-off for lack of armour should NOT be a high penetrating gun. It's their mobility and ability to outflank and strike from behind/side. If a light tank is able to lol-pen a heavy frontally then there's something wrong. Very wrong...
@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537
@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537 2 жыл бұрын
Are you saying things like the Marder A1 shouldn't be in WWII br's among other things. B-but I sUfFeR from can't aim dysplasia, I need it. Thank a disabled vet you ungrateful spoiled millennial.
@msdos32
@msdos32 2 жыл бұрын
I think the issue with light tanks is that light tanks are kind of how tanks are supposed to be used. You’re not supposed to get hit, ideally not even spotted, and you want to have better tactical mobility than the enemy. When you’re not supposed to get hit, and the way heavy tanks are played and balanced in games is to get hit, then tanks that excel at not getting hit or hitting really hard are going to own the game.
@rokinz3270
@rokinz3270 2 жыл бұрын
“You can catch light tanks off guard” yes I enjoy removing the m18 scourge when I flank
@misschauffarde5112
@misschauffarde5112 2 жыл бұрын
WILBERWIND APCR NOISE INTENSIFIS
@blitzkrieg8776
@blitzkrieg8776 2 жыл бұрын
Personally, I feel a change in map design would solve a lot of people's annoyance of light tanks. Some maps are way too heavily in favor of a fast and small tank reaching a forest/hill on the edge of a map, especially ones that can see into a spawn.
@adbp1513
@adbp1513 2 жыл бұрын
light tanks are broken at times sure but ability of german heavies to bully allied teams from crossmap with no fear of being killed is a bigger issue, The allies from 5.3-6.3 have nothing that can fight the germans on the maps they get put in, the american's and russians don't have vehicles that can do it, and the british end up on the german team as much as the allied team, not forgetting the french tanks that also join the germans funny line up of sniping tanks on a hill or in a field. not forgetting the great desision to put the Jagdpanther at 6.0, The Jumbo can't even bounce the shells from german tanks that well, and with uptiers being common place(atleast for the american's and germans it seems), certain tanks that would fix the issue aka the Super Pershing or T20 just aren't there for the americans, and sometimes the germans are facing cold war MBT's in Tigers. However being real it makes the allied teams smarter at times, with british players learning the ammo location's on tigers and 1 tapping them with apcr or apds, American abusing their speed to get flanks whilst learning the best ambushing spots to abuse the stabilisers, Russian players just seem smarter in general, and china just does what ever the fuck they do.
@ODST_Parker
@ODST_Parker 2 жыл бұрын
I think it's more of a problem with the War Thunder "meta" than a problem with light tanks specifically. Light tanks sometimes seem overly powerful for the same reason some AA vehicles seem overly powerful. Tanks are large, heavy, and slow. Even medium tanks stick out like a sore thumb on the battlefield and can only move and react so quickly. So, it holds to reason that light vehicles which are designed for speed over protection will be able to outflank them and take advantage of their downsides, often with similar or even greater capabilities in firepower. Take the Chaffee for example. When boiled down, it's a light Sherman. Same gun, same ammo, vertical stabilizer included. Worse reload speed, but that doesn't affect one-shot kills. Other than that, it has weaker armor and greater mobility in general, plus the benefit of scouting. Take a vehicle at the same battle rating, the M4A1 (which also has very weak armor from every angle if you know where to shoot), and you'll see how powerful light tanks are. I find it much, MUCH easier to do well in the M24 than in the M4A1 or even the M4. It being faster, smaller, and having the same firepower, it's like the Sherman had a baby with a racecar and produced the perfect light tank for it's BR bracket. It ends up being the Sherman, but better, because more often than not, speed and general mobility is the key to winning a game, not protection against enemy tanks.
@limaTheNoob
@limaTheNoob 2 жыл бұрын
I think the lack of infantry in the game is the real deal here. Like, why bother having more than 30mm of armor at all? Most things will pen you regardless, and AA will kill you from the side. When you have to deal with infantry, I think you want something sturdier. In war thunder, however, there is no penalty to playing a light tank, really.
@jonathanallen3688
@jonathanallen3688 2 жыл бұрын
Lights like the chafee which are honestly side grades to mediums arent the problem. Even the hellcat isnt actually the problem like unless youre petty why care about it flanking you. No its the massively undertiered light vehicles with guns that are generally much better than their med and sometimes td counterparts at the same br. Take the M41, Ru251, T92 and other vehicles like those that can straight lolpen. For US it sorta makes sense as realistically the have very few vehicles in that br range that can actually pen the armor thats rolling around. But thats no excuse. Itd be fine to move those tanks up if theyd just buff the US 90mm slightly.
@maxkuz334
@maxkuz334 2 жыл бұрын
I think war thunder needs to redo their higher tier game modes. I've always had the idea that the only vehicles that should be able to capture points are IFVs and Cargo helis.
@PeenileCansir
@PeenileCansir 2 жыл бұрын
man it feels weird to hear hull break as a thing of the past
@daviarmiliato9032
@daviarmiliato9032 2 жыл бұрын
I think that the main problem with light tanks it's not that they can flank, but that they can kill heavies through the front. Heavies trade mobility for armor, if that armor doesn't work then they are in a clear disadvantage.
@simethigsomethingidfk
@simethigsomethingidfk 2 жыл бұрын
Over pressure just seems way too random. I have had HE shells hit open top vehicles without over pressuring them, and other times I have a APHE shell go straight through my tank, explode outside and still kill my entire crew. Or explode in the engine compartment and kill the whole crew (even though there is a wall between the engine and crew). Or hell even HEAT shells over pressuring
@MaplePanda04
@MaplePanda04 2 жыл бұрын
HEAT should overpressure: there’s still a lot of explosive in those shells.
@simethigsomethingidfk
@simethigsomethingidfk 2 жыл бұрын
@@MaplePanda04 I mean medium caliber heat shells hitting your tank and then over pressuring the entire crew even if the tank armor should be thick enough to stop it. It just randomly acts like APHE, because yes of course a pressure wave can totally pass through a half inch hole in armor.
@doodsspoop
@doodsspoop 2 жыл бұрын
Finally recognised where your outro came from, havent heard it in years. Its too good
@Someone--You--Know
@Someone--You--Know 2 жыл бұрын
Spookston in a few days: *War thunder's War thunder problem*
@DiezALOT3128
@DiezALOT3128 2 жыл бұрын
i like light tanks, if im going to get one shot i might as well be going fast
@Riku16994
@Riku16994 2 жыл бұрын
I'm fine with almost all light tanks and like playing them, but the Ikv 91 at 7.0 with the laser rangefinder and 400 lolpen feels like cheating, and every vehicle with a radio should have scouting ability in some form, light tanks are better at it because of small size and good mobility, but it being exclusive to them is just illogical
@tr33ck0
@tr33ck0 2 жыл бұрын
i dont know, but for me, m1128 are almost impossible to kill without and auto cannor or without sniping all crew members, scouting mechachin only works when it wants, and most of the light tanks are goats because they can climb hills better than skyrim horses
@illusionsofgrand3ur
@illusionsofgrand3ur 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos are very informative and easy to digest. I'm a beginner in WT and found extremely positive the effects of your videos on my performance. Keep it up, partner!
@pavleh4602
@pavleh4602 2 жыл бұрын
In regards to lighting tanks not doing damage, 400+ penetracion at 6.3 and most lighting tanks have thermals from 8.0 and up and some nations get thermals for mbts at 10.0 . They are unbalanced as hell a ton of them should be moved up in br
@Atourq
@Atourq 2 жыл бұрын
The CV90120 is the only exception about “aiming for weak spots” tho. My biggest gripe with light tanks at the moment is Gaijin’s janky armor physics. The HSTVL can sometimes absorb (not bounce) 3BM42 from the front, this oddly applies to the Leopard 2A5/6 UFP and LFP too.. Same goes for the BMPs with western sabots. There are times they die to 1-2 shots and there are times they can consistently tank shot after shot. Other than this, what you’ve talked about is spot on.
@Rururudenko
@Rururudenko 2 жыл бұрын
The strv 121 and 122 have a thicker UFP
@robertharris6092
@robertharris6092 2 жыл бұрын
Theres a lot of times iv died just because shots iv literaly made before just magixaly get absorbed into nothingjess. This is especialy noticable with tiger and panther side skirts.
@satomonster568
@satomonster568 2 жыл бұрын
Scuffed volumetric, a problem with almost all vehicles in some spot or another, but especially cursed with barrels and particular lights.
@Luna-ne3dq
@Luna-ne3dq 2 жыл бұрын
There have been a few moments where I've been saved by the viewing ports on the back of my bmp-2/2m which eat up an entire apdsfs shell
@brandon-d10
@brandon-d10 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, it’s the Joe Nuts guy here. I think the best way to limit CAS in ground realistic is to have a limit on air vehicles that are in the sky at a time. Making it either 3 or 4 planes at a time would still allow CAS but it wouldn’t have the spam of 5 or 6 A-4Es or G.91s with full loads of ATGMs
@Jeremyzth
@Jeremyzth 2 жыл бұрын
Light Tanks advantage should be their mobility and scouting capability, not their guns...Glass canon belongs to the tank destroyer role not light tanks especially with the current map design
@Licmebro
@Licmebro 2 жыл бұрын
Fax
@Logan-dk8of
@Logan-dk8of 2 жыл бұрын
there is something to be said about light tanks being overpowered when they are br 6.3-7.0 and get 90mm heatfs and will butter heavy tank armor without even having to aim 90% of the time
@Schadowofmorning
@Schadowofmorning 2 жыл бұрын
Now talk about how SPG's basically get shafted
@overvieweffect9034
@overvieweffect9034 2 жыл бұрын
me: never played war thunder also me: watches (pretty much) every Spookston video
@anthonymcbride855
@anthonymcbride855 2 жыл бұрын
Same
@Zigmmaaaaarrssss
@Zigmmaaaaarrssss 2 жыл бұрын
Next video: Warthunder's warthunder problem.
@Rynnakkosampyla
@Rynnakkosampyla 2 жыл бұрын
Question @Spookston : What do you think about light tanks between 5.7 and 6.7? This group of vehicles seems to have habbit of using very effective heat or apds rounds against late war tanks mitigating their armor effectiveness considerably. I always found it weird the the lights of this tier have among the highest Pen and the ability to punch through the toughest armor or same tier heavies.
@Fizzyxd
@Fizzyxd 2 жыл бұрын
got a notification within 10 minutes of you uploading this video. awesome
@blackknightz5036
@blackknightz5036 Жыл бұрын
They killed the heavies which only have armor to rely on because they keep pusing light tanks/wheel vehicles with HEATFS into the game at lower BR than modern tanks
@Gundalf550
@Gundalf550 2 жыл бұрын
"Light tanks can be countered with awareness" IKV-91 sitting behind a hill side shooting everyone who turns away their turret within seconds, untouchable. Same with the heavytank video "you can do what light tanks can do, but you have to be more cautious" I ususally like your videos but its quite obvious that you bend the reality to make your favorite gocarts look not as overpowered as they are I honestly can not agree with the argument that light tanks are allowed to have the highest pen of their deck if the oneshot potential is slightly lower than other guns. That is just plain nonsense. first, oneshots are super easy if you have 3 working braincells, secondly you can cripple with the first shot and finish the job quickly afterwards because the reload is very shot in comparison.
@socialist_elmo
@socialist_elmo 2 жыл бұрын
also they're wearing the entire amazon forest
@unfazedmc5734
@unfazedmc5734 Жыл бұрын
Hamborger
@anastraykiwi
@anastraykiwi 2 жыл бұрын
Great content as always!
@brisho2684
@brisho2684 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the American light tank tree up until the T92. The way light tanks simply get outmatched by Cold War era MBT's after 7.0 completely ruined the fun of maneuverable and stingy tanks like the M24 or M41 for me.
@destroyerarmor2846
@destroyerarmor2846 2 жыл бұрын
T-92 is a beast
@robertharris6092
@robertharris6092 2 жыл бұрын
I quite enjoy the t92 but on certain maps youre just useless. But on others youre so fast and small you can hide almost anywhere.
@EnglishGamer2019
@EnglishGamer2019 2 жыл бұрын
Tbh, that ending music is what makes the video worth while alongside your practical explanation Once again, great video. Hope I return when the game is *Fixed*
@billclinton3862
@billclinton3862 2 жыл бұрын
Light tanks need some sort of de-buff, a KT is usually got other things to worry about let alone some speedy tank running laps around it while it’s trying to fight
@ImAFatCheezIt
@ImAFatCheezIt 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a light tank main and I definitely agree with the scouting one. My friend played M18 Black Cat and got his plane to 70 SP or something like that if I remember correctly.
@Skip.8221
@Skip.8221 2 жыл бұрын
I think empty planes should be cheaper and fully loaded ones should cost more. I also think you should be able to first spawn an empty fighter since you can first spawn helis
@AveragePootis
@AveragePootis 2 жыл бұрын
Eh? Above 6.0 lights usually have extremely powerful guns, and usually can just point and click (i can 1-2 shot heavy tanks from across the map in my type 62) lights should not be able to just lol pen heavies frontally
@animeboy-qy5sq
@animeboy-qy5sq 2 жыл бұрын
Well it depends on what heavies are you talking about. Really, the BR changes makes everything so confusing and inconsistent, which I guess is actually the real problem is.
@AveragePootis
@AveragePootis 2 жыл бұрын
@@animeboy-qy5sq well usually i have given king tigers and some T-10s a kicking, when i have uptiered it
@Mystic-Midnight
@Mystic-Midnight 2 жыл бұрын
@@AveragePootis Well King Tigers are normally a guaranteed 1 shot if you hit their turret so idk if it is a good example of how good the tank killing it is.
@BariBro
@BariBro 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mystic-Midnight more of a 2 hit kill unless you hit their ammo, which is unlikely from the front.
@AveragePootis
@AveragePootis 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mystic-Midnight nicely ignored the t10 in there
@jynger8455
@jynger8455 2 жыл бұрын
Problem is that 70´s light tanks are put at the same BR with WW2 heavy's. Now they are no longer played as light scouting vehicles they meant to be, vehicle that should not go 1on1 with mbt, but as fast and OP tank destroyers.
@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537
@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537 2 жыл бұрын
The Light tank Problem summarized and spelled correctly: The CAS and time traveler problem [ft. shitty devs].
@cameronkim6859
@cameronkim6859 2 жыл бұрын
I agree as I use the M41 Walker Bulldog as one of my main tanks. And although the gun has a lot of penetration with APDS it doesn’t do much unless you hit the components directly. And even if you do it’s still a light tank, so if it gets hit basically anywhere it will die.
@jonathanlynn2163
@jonathanlynn2163 2 жыл бұрын
The Subnautica music really makes the video flow nice
@exactlybasically8603
@exactlybasically8603 2 жыл бұрын
The bulldog is absolutely nuts at its br. I even use it at 7.3
@jay-fn3nm
@jay-fn3nm 2 жыл бұрын
hey Spookston, i have been doing a bit of air assault arcade as i do to get some quick and easy upgrades on the latest tank or aircraft i unlock, i recently got the MIG-19s and went into some air assault, the teams wiping bombers out before they reach the objective, we are doing well with no damage on it, then half-way through, arti spawns, and nearly wipes out the objective in just 1 spawn, the team continues on after just dealing with it and we continue to slay bombers, we are so damn close to winning, just 1 more bomber spawn, and arti spawns again and kills the base instantly. i dunno what gaijin has done to the arti, i don't recall it being so damn devastating from prior years. a video on it would be nice as the gamemode now seems completely impossible to even attempt at the higher tiers now
@DanySdowo
@DanySdowo 2 жыл бұрын
Hey spook, what do you think about the nerf of the merk mk3, italians and cv90120 apfsds? I learned about it thanks to a guy who told me about it in one game, since gaijin didn't write anything about it.
@IzukuMidoriya-eq4ox
@IzukuMidoriya-eq4ox 2 жыл бұрын
The worst thing reguarding light tanks, in my experience, is Germany. I’m currently at 6.3 but I don’t have the M41 yet. I still have to research the Waffentrager, so the only light tank I have is the Sdkfz, which does poorly in 6.3. Worst part is that I have to play it because I keep going negative in my earning with the Tiger II P and the Jagdpanther
@idkidk9180
@idkidk9180 2 жыл бұрын
You are just a bad player xD stop complaining
@IzukuMidoriya-eq4ox
@IzukuMidoriya-eq4ox 2 жыл бұрын
@@idkidk9180 I get 15k repairs every game, it’s not that I’m bad it’s that I get uptiered a bunch and can’t get enough kills to make money back
@CollinTheSav
@CollinTheSav 2 жыл бұрын
Attempt 24: Ju-288 Historically Accurate? I am so tired of playing ~5.0-6.0 and seeing those skinny phallic bombers, ruining the BR range for Axis.
@beefyblom
@beefyblom 3 ай бұрын
"Since they still have to aim for weakspots in most cases" Also spookston a minute earlier: *pens the front of a Tiger II's angled turret, then its UFP with HEAT-FS, penning both times*
@piscessoedroen
@piscessoedroen 2 жыл бұрын
this reminds me of the M18, a TD both ingame and IRL recently got the light tank designation because gaijin said it was used to scout. and then we have ASU-57, a TD that have all the scout tank ability except the spawn cost
@arima272
@arima272 2 жыл бұрын
ASU 57 were meant to be part of airborne, so there are really any designation that fits for ASU in WT, but it is right to put it as tank destroyer because thats what it meant to do
@tisFrancesfault
@tisFrancesfault 2 жыл бұрын
Nope, The main problem is the maps; its always the maps. A significant number of issues are fixed with not garbage map design. To think Gaijin has TWO(!) people working on maps (apparently) takes them a year to "make" (import from height map data), and its always* trash. Both the map designers and their manager needs firing....
@maximilianhaller4428
@maximilianhaller4428 2 жыл бұрын
Why fire the only two guys that desinge maps when you could instead increase the number of that department?
@tisFrancesfault
@tisFrancesfault 2 жыл бұрын
​@@maximilianhaller4428 Why fire? so you could add some competence? Look at middle east, one side can spawn camp within 10-20 seconds... Thats poor design and anyone worth their salt should be able to identify that. Gaijin says people don't like big maps, but again its because their maps are not, for the most part, big in a functional sense. The average engagement range even on the largest maps is like 600m, WTs large maps are just commutes. That our its narrow meat grinds like say finland. At lower BR the maps, whilst few are functional, but once you pass 5.0 they become poorer and poorer.
@maximilianhaller4428
@maximilianhaller4428 2 жыл бұрын
@@tisFrancesfault yet again I ask you why to fire that whole department? When you do that you come out with no one to desinge a new or redesinge any of the existing maps. So why delay the problem instead of trying to solve it? Why not enlist new people that give new ideas and perspectives to the current two guys?
@tisFrancesfault
@tisFrancesfault 2 жыл бұрын
@@maximilianhaller4428 Well evidently Gaijin doesn't want to hire more than 2 folks, or it would have had more working on them. So if limited to 2 people and the 2 people do a poor job, both in general design and QA, then you replace them with someone who can.
@teedr6149
@teedr6149 2 жыл бұрын
1:25 thats one way to stop quickly
@starlord4477
@starlord4477 Жыл бұрын
Love the subnuatica music in background
@cropathfinder
@cropathfinder 2 жыл бұрын
I do think some light tanks need to go to SPGs or medium tanks for balance and because they don't really belong there with the biggest being one of my favorites the M-18 which even with the tier its in is just too powerful with light tank benefits added. Scouting is balanced and doesn't "take little effort" given how poorly it often works with the sight centered tanks often not being scouted and you having to wait the full time to get the scout back by which time the tank might as well leave, i do think the scouting should be applied in range based on radio operator skill. The buddy repair mechanic is one that i think is really good for this class and i think it shows that armored recovery vehicles could be implemented in some way in game like being able to drag a players wreck back to spawn to give him a single extra chance even without backups or you could. Additionally command tanks can be added (or converted from some existing ones) with a scouting ability and different fire support options whose points are gained by allies nearby. Make WT vehicle classes more distinct is a good thing and adds to the gameplay
@jaczeta8900
@jaczeta8900 2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion a light tank is the best tank for the start of the battle and for me the most importants factors for a tank are firepower and mobility
@spiffywolf2850
@spiffywolf2850 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who like heavy tanks i agree that you have to be aware and watch the flank routes but youll never change my opion on how scary it it when all of a sudden you die to a m56 or asu 57 hiding in the bushes lol. and maybe do a video on TDs and missle carriers?
@eduarddanciu9097
@eduarddanciu9097 2 жыл бұрын
God I just realized that I have the german Puma and the E.B.R's .Also nice video buddy! Keep going my favourite KZfaqr! ;D
@jaxalex2268
@jaxalex2268 2 жыл бұрын
yaay its the spooky man
@nighthawk9264
@nighthawk9264 2 жыл бұрын
Scouting is not overbalanced/unbalanced when it comes to the SP reduction. It takes much more than 4 scouts to spawn an aircraft. with 4 Scouts you'd also need a cap or kill, sometimes even more depening on the BR. When fully reduced, we are talking of a reduction from 720 to 450SP or so.
@yurizacharov9236
@yurizacharov9236 2 жыл бұрын
That outro music odsts finest
@validuranium1890
@validuranium1890 2 жыл бұрын
2:48 lmao nice ghost shell
@Whiteghost785
@Whiteghost785 2 жыл бұрын
Can we get a video regarding the wheeled tanks?
@TheForgottenBrigade
@TheForgottenBrigade 2 жыл бұрын
Think my problem is with the Tam/BMP and Begl's front engine, most of the time they dont OP crew when hit there even tho it should and in general HESH is so unrelaiebel when hitting any light tanks
@harrisonhonda3745
@harrisonhonda3745 4 ай бұрын
Scout bonus should reduce artillery waiting, if you spot enemy’s support in the back will wake up and put down the coffee
@oJuno-_-
@oJuno-_- 2 жыл бұрын
I think light tanks are vehicles that good players can leverage exceptionally well as compared to a normal heavy tank or medium or mbt. The thing is, when you mesh aggressive playstyle as well as one that plays to not get hit, it yields extremely good results, this applies to heavy tanks as well but light tanks fit this criteria the best, usually fast vehicles that have the added benefit of scouting as well as decent firepower in their respective brs enough to kill most things if not all that it may face. When a good player takes advantage of this it is very rewarding, which I think is a good thing considering there are very few things in this game that actually reward skill. However I do think that on the receiving end it can feel oppressive. The only thing I can so for sure is that accumulating spawn points in light vehicles is far too easy, and idk if its quite overpowered but it is definitely a bit strong. If values for spawn accumulation can be slightly adjusted in light vehicles I think it would be fine. Good map knowledge and awareness that isn't complete potato can be enough to deter if not halt light vehicles stomping from flanks or just running through the team. This also depends on maps, layout and vehicles of course. Things like R3 t106s, as an example, are far too fast and small on some maps with not many vehicles that are as fast in their br so they end up becoming unpredictable and at times difficult to counter. But this is also the exception, not the rule. I also don't agree with scouting an enemy that is across the map behind cover that completely covers the tank. The game is far too forgiving when it comes to scouting. Yes it is buggy sometimes and without the improved optics module scouting doesn't like to function but assuming the module is unlocked, scouting becomes very easy and you will scout things you dont even see half the times. Scouting through walls from range is a little too strong considering you are feeding your whole team information on where the enemy is. And yes I'm aware scouting doesn't work sometimes if there are too many obstacles/debris/etc. etc in the way. But I really don't think scouting through walls should even be a thing outside of maybe 3-400 meters.
@GuillaumeRenaudat
@GuillaumeRenaudat 2 жыл бұрын
For me the problem with light tanks is their amunitions. Russia have a 5.3 light tank with heatfs with more than 200mm of pen. It can front pen every heavy tank, heven when up tiered. A lot of mid game light tanks have some heatfs and fight against ww2 heavys.
@burneracc2567
@burneracc2567 2 жыл бұрын
PT 76B is trash, just shoot it anywhere (even MGs work on it). In my experience it's HEATFS are horse shit unreliable and have little to no post pen damage (sometimes 6 of them can't take out a Tiger). It's too loud, massive and slow for a light tank. 200mm mark is a very far stretch and even if it pens, it rarely kills more than a single crew member.
@Elaina_The_Ashen
@Elaina_The_Ashen 2 жыл бұрын
Actually I was kinda hoping you could cover the rad90. I’d like to know your thoughts on my fav vehicle
@alum202
@alum202 2 жыл бұрын
what soundmods does he use? Anyone know which ones?
@guppiapfeljustleopardthing8756
@guppiapfeljustleopardthing8756 2 жыл бұрын
Hi hello. Somewhat unrelated point but I have a point about scouting. There are a few command tank variants as premiums in the game. Some, like the bfw panzer4 or bfw Jagdpanther don't bring anything that the tech tree varients bring. So I thought that they each get 1 br up (for the bfw panzer4 that whould be from 4.0 to 4.3) and for that they whould get spotting. I think it makes sense as these tanks have stronger radios and are were there to assign and coordinate attacks on other targets.
@jorickschaffef1461
@jorickschaffef1461 18 күн бұрын
Oooh subnautica music at the start of vidéo.
@allenliu8820
@allenliu8820 2 жыл бұрын
spookston i know you already did a beglietpanzer video, but I felt like it was a bit old considering a lot has happened since the video took place and could be excuse to discuss the light tank problem a bit in-depth
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