I'm guessing that Vor didn't know about the Tenno controlling the Warframes because Operators weren't a thing back then and Warframe and Tenno were thought to be one and the same thing.

Aren't the leverians supposed to come from historians and first person accounts? He brings this up in some instances like how the historians was in confusion over what poses the people who Atlas petrified were in. As well as in Ash story when he mentions how Pilio memoirs brought us this story. So in this case the people who we get these stories from wouldn't know about the operators and as such wouldn't mention them. Also as far as I'm aware of the leverians aren't quest locked so a new player could just walk into leverians if they wanted too having Drusus spoiled the second dream wouldn't be good for new players. So unless they quest locked it so only players pass second dream can enter i don't think he will ever specify whether it's the Warframe or operator acting in theses stories.

Nora: Donate to the levarian, or you won't rank up. Me: *Donates 1 credit* Nora: ...ok. thats enough.

I just figured that the stories in the Leverians took place while the operators were in the long dream. And because there wasn't necessarily a face to go with the frame, they just used the frames name itself to recount the story

You're the only channel I've seen so far that still discusses about the lore of warframe since the lore God, StallordD, has entered hibernation for god knows how long it's been.

Everyone: ok so warframes dont really work without tenno, ok (except umbra). Protea lore: let me stop you right there.

There's 2 trains of thought here. 1: There was a tenno controlling the Warframe at the time of the "events described" in the Levarian. 2: These were the "original" attempts that Ballas described that were a "miserable failure" before they used Transference to reign in an otherwise savage Warframe. One seems more likely but Two seems like a distinct possibility.

Ok, i think DE wanted to keep the tenno ambigious so they can have more focus on the frame themselves. Mabye the unnamed tenno controlling the frames are us the playerbase and kept ambigious

I like how grendel just T-POSE in his leverian profile prex card

This kinda thing always reminds me how much Valkyr seems to completely screw with the lore, both with how her Prime is designed (the arm attachment, and not the ribbons), and how she's described like a properly sentient being, when as a "mass produced" frame, she really shouldnt be. Hell, in theory the Valkyr we construct shouldn't even be damaged if you think about it, as the blueprints should be for the complete frame, not an semi incomplete one Alad tore to bits.

So. Here's what I think. First, I'd rule out the possibility of Drusus being a tenno for now: he refers to outside sources during at least Ash's and Nova's leverian entries. Next, I like your Idea of the Umbra-Edition frames, but I think there was also a tenno at the helm. And maybe that'd explain Ash's reluctance to use Bladestorm, and Nova's to-ways portals. Finally, Maybe Drusus isn't a tenno. But nothing indicates he doesn't have a tenno ship. As such, void trading could be an option. so my speculations until proven wrong are: - Drusus is no tenno, but may have a tenno ship; - Umbra soldiers, but with tenno pilots/copilots; - leverian cards are transferred either trough trade, or as physical ideas, like Paracesis's blueprints. If we want more info, maybe we could ask Nora Night. She knows of the dream, maybe she'll have a lead at least.

I imagine they all just have tenno, and that all the events described were either before or after the tenno all went into hibernation. as you said drusus probably does not know about the operators.

They should give all frames sentience at this point give a quest to unlock it for our fav frames

The first Warframes that were created by the Orokin and depicted in the Leverian did not have an Operator controlling them. Such Warframe is the Stalker also. Also the Specters we encounter in Junctions and can deploy in mission are such frames.

supposedly the operator was a militar secret only known by the council of seven and members of the warframe project

The stories in the Laverian remind me of Mirage's story.... there was a Tenno in control, but the frame itself was treated like a mythical being..... Also, all of our frames are copies of the original (the originals are the Primes) Not all frames have Umbra versions, since the Umbras were the original prototype failures, as described by Ballas The Primes were created by Margulas after the Tenno were found in the Zariman ship (also after the Umbras) If you listen during Sacrifice, Hunhow already knew about the Umbras, but Ballas tells him that they found the answer on how to control a frame (the Tenno) and informs him on essentially the creation of the Prime frames (which were created specifically for the Tenno to help control their power) That is why I don't think all frames are sentient, since the "Metal Puppets" were made for Tenno transferance 1st, then used as weapons by the Orokin after, and not vise versa Also each frame had it's own Tenno originally, as they were created to suit/control the individual Tennos abilities

remember a few times when the orikin say before they were things we could not control hence forth the sentient standpoint of the levarien discription they are just frames that never got tenno the originals

From the Second Dream, we can see that the Warframe moves itself to break War Hunow. I do not believe this is the Tenno doing it as it is shown that without the use of the Trasnference pods in Lua or the Throne in the ship, they need physical contact as seen as when the Warframe only started to move and carry the Tenno AFTER physical contact was made.Some people suspect that the Lotus is the one to control the Warframe at that moment, but as the story progresses, it becomes more and more apparent that the Lotus can only influence the Tenno but not the Warframes themselves. So that can only mean that the Warframe itself made the conscious effort to move itself to break Hunhow. Do note that this is before War Within, where the Tenno was yet to be able to do remote transference by themselves so it begins to make sense then. Also, I think the fact the Tenno are children is a secret known to a few people like the Quills and Little Duck since they want to speak to them 'directly' before allowing their services. For the others, I think it can be judged by the dialogues from many bosses that the Tenno are just believed to be the Warframes themselves. I also do not think Teshin did not know the Tenno were children, more possibly he was surprised that the Queens knew of the Children as the Queens were long exiled from Orokin society so they should not know of them. In fact, I doubt the common Orokin also knows of the Children, Teshin only knows because he is a Dax soldier. Even Alad V, who is so fascinated with the Tenno does not seem to know of the Children. If we were to think that there are actually only one of each Warframe, it would actually make sense but I do not believe that may be true. Instead it is highly possible that the Warframes are actually sentient and have been moving by their own volition until the Tenno were reawakened. The best example is Baro Ki'Teer, whose story of Inaros actually involved himself as a child. At a time when the Tenno should still be asleep. So I believe that the Warframes are actually all sentient and lay dormant when the Tenno have transferred into them.

Food for the thought, in the quest "The New Strange", the player hunts down a "rogue" Chroma, who has no tenno. Despite not having a tenno, the warframe acts sentient yet not quite feral. It could be that once a tenno's connection is broken from a warframe and another isn't made, the frame can gain it's own sentience and do as it pleases warframe.fandom.com/wiki/The_New_Strange

Dam finally you're back.

Theory on how your warframe became sentient for a moment in the second dream quest? (unless it was already explained and I wasn't paying attention)

Fun video ^.^ Funny how Warframe lore is among my favorite of all the lore-rich games lately. I don't think I typically associate rich lore with this genre of game. Thanks for making videos like these! Adds to the game's story-telling and mystery ;)

I always thought the lavarian stories took place back when 1tenno was linked with 1 frame, and they just went unnamed or like you said, the researchers on the events just didn't know about the Tenno and frames being different. But this is a super interesting topic to think about, especially because I've never put a whole lot of thought into the levarian and just enjoyed the stories. Thanks for the video man :)

The two options I see for as an explanation are it's either a golem. like Rhino was at first as in his codex entry. The other could be that Drusiss IS the Tenno for these frames.

"Tenno were asleep" So were we , yet we controlled many warframe within the arsenal before awakening.

What does donating to the Leverian to "Keep the lights on" actually do? For an achievement perhaps? Or to keep the neural link active as we go through Drusus' memories?

@TheDsIEGE Man, you deserve a spot in DE's Devs you might be able to single-handedly bring order and clarity to the storyline and even improve on it. Great work keep it up!

Can't wait for you to talk about Deadlock Protocol

Fun facts: -none of the frames displayed are primes, even the ones who would be on display and/or in high-priority missions. -there is no reason you can't print a prex from virtual data(there is DRM on blueprints, so there is a reason why only 1) -warframe mechanics are obviously not common knowledge -Grendel and Gauss operated at around the same time in -There are 2 furries for Venari. No bit of lore "has to matter" In conclusion: Drusus Liverian is a supremely unreliable secondary source that has about the same chances of being an important character as Sigor Sawah.

I love all your videos and channel

It did get turned into a semi quest now so this aged well

I'm assuming that it's the every warframe has a base Variant because if we remember right with the Ivara Levarian the Orokin (Specifically Ballas) tested each frame in a sort of death match against something if they lived they would continue making copies of that frame but the importance here is that that Ivara had Sentience.

Damn ... when you dropped that bomb near the end with "Drusus" ... that put a smile on my face, because that would be awesome if it'd be true.

Thanks for upload, more confused then ever with lore... Lol Starting to believe that DE as a sick sense of humor trowing us off or keeping us in the dark and refuse to tie the lore. Unless the lore was never a real thing for Warframe and fans like you, others and myself just ''created one from not much'' and we are trying to convince our self and others that is what DE always intended.. I comfort myself that the lore part is actually keeping me some what in the game. Trying to dissert everything we can get our hands on. Like a big brain teaser. Anyway great work and again Thank you for the content. Peace and stay safe.

funny... the story of the Story Teller from the story told... Pretty "strong Library" don't you think, tenno??? Good job brother Swazdo-surah

8:37 best part of the video

You keep showing that scene of the old war with the old queen haveing a missing finger, but somehow never stop to ask if her missing finger is the one on board the railjacks. Maybe that casing makes the finger look enlarged like through a looking glass. Also you can see the queen other fingers look very similar to the on on the railjack. Other then that your lore videos still fk me up a bit so thank you very much for bringing something new into the warframe universe for someone who thought has exhausted everything in the game by now.

Interesting thoughts. Although i do like the idea of him being some kind of Tenno i dont think its likely as depending on how much credits you donate he says something along the lines of buying back something before cutting himself off but it sounds like body suggesting hes a solaris of some sort. (Maybe the biz?). As for the tenno or non tenno operators i think its more likely that there were tenno operators as i believe the frames use void energy to power the abilities to some degree and the stories describe how the warframes use their abilities.

still no explanation to where my credits go...

I always thought that each and ever warframe was specifically made for just a pilot when you think about it the quests describe from the villagers point or the warframe like gara nidus innaroes etc but it also wouldn't make much since to mass produce a one warframe and make them the same especially if your enemy is able to adapt to elements or gain resistances Any way that's how I thought of the warframes I like your theory too keep up the great work

My guess is there was a progenitor tenno, the first to take control of that particular frame. sort of like the test pilot who somehow got the personality of the warframe. maybe a design oversight. which was corrected in the mass produced variants. the first ones became the warframes in character and acted that way. And since the tenno took control of the warframes through dreams, they're probably still asleep in the reservoir after their warframes got destroyed.

2:47 - Option 3, as per second dream/directly post betrayal, most potato kids got yeeted with the moon under lockdown, in combination with lotus getting frames into cryopods. Those would then be the primes or even knockoffs (as we know from the octavia and side comics, the non-prime frames started production even way back during the orokin era which further supports the idea that primes were the proto mechs, personal builds by ballas team for the elite; while ballas himself was fiddling around to do evil vengeance over waifu laughs) that stuck around, but due to being locked down AND blocked from fully using transference unlike us/the player they lost themselves into behaving what the warframe did with some side goals of their own.

There are lots of cradles on lua, we see this in the Erra cinematic "quest". The warframe's in the leverian are likely tenno controlled. Similar to us pre-second dream.

I was one second from trying to answer this question, before you said "demon" may be a classification which is now something I'm going to contemplate for a while (short answer I think the Leverian is Teeno or Teeno esque entity cataloguing conquests.)

If Drusus is a tenno, is he just dismanteling and droppinh his frames in the leverian? Than he a weird tenno scoom

Your not the only 1 with decent, make sense ideals not to mention lots of other things from DESIGNS TO UNIQUE PROLOGUE'S ETC....but I hear u talking!!!!

Surprised nobody’s talking about the tropic thunder reference, all of you take a big step back

Regarding if a tenno was associated with one or more warframes, the clues I get from the stories, not only from the leverian, but from other stories like the glast gambit (which probably had Nidus involved at some point) and Baro's quest, it seems that each tenno had only one warframe, and usually they would get assigned or grow attached to some group, like inaros and baro's village, and ash and the cult. Kind of like if they were living their lives through a single warframe.

I always assumed the events described in leverian is after tenno took over the Warframe project ( after it was found out void demons can control rhino) and before their betrayal of the seven. Surely the old war went on for quite a long time and with the amount of tenno around there has to be some stories to tell individually. As for the original warframes, I like to think there were very few of the original experiments that remained sane after infection and their story is what we get as quests ( like the first titania and mirage) and those that were brought to mainstream after tenno started controlling them are released as boss drops (rhino and wisp for example). There is obviously some tenno based Warframe quests too (gara, atlas and revenant)

My impression was always that the Umbra frames were the original, the Prime frames were the Orokin era models, and the "normal" frames were modern replicas.

I had actually thought of the "original frames are sentient" idea before watching this, amd i have to say that it would be interesting to see. I have ideas on how to implement this lore, but thats irrelevant, so i wont bother with details.

I was always under the impression that maybe they were iterated. Like the original frames were in fact individual unique supper soldiers. That's why a lot of frame specific lore and quest refer to them as if they were individuals that also explained how limbo or marage could "die" the way we find out they do in those quest. Then at a later point after the figured out the tenno and there transferrance they started accepting the most exceptional soldiers or maybe even the hardest to control (rhino and ember) and mass producing "warframes" as hosts for the tenno. In fact based on the old flavor text for rhino and ember I think there could have been two or three phases. First they made ten zero survivors with unique ability into soldiers the intended purpose. Some were uncontrollably so they eventually developed a way to make them inert then used the void sensitive tenno to control them. Then decided to mass produce frames. Void exposed infested bodies ment to have no mind without the tenno Finally. The continue to make unique warsoldiers like umbra dax soldiers turned warframe. Then those that displayed exceptional abilities are made into mass production warframes at the cost of themselves kinda like the opposite of cephalons Minds without bodies and bodies without minds.

So I don't know if you guys know this but back in the day before the living ring and there used to be another way to get the lower other than reading it. So when you use to complete the index for scanning certain things, it would give these special images. You could look in your index and when you put the cursor over certain points. You'd start hearing sounds. And when you found all of them it would start playing audio like in the Liberian or showing a video or start changing the way the picture looked. And the more you listen the more you can get

Ivaras levarian makes it sound like she was at the time a one of a kind autonomous frame. Part of a squad of similarly unique frame. They died and she survived. And as a "reward" they immortalized her( probably by mass producing her.)

Haha the helmith bit is fantastic now

I always just assumed they were piloted by a Tenno they just didn't know

So after a quick accidental look i realised that thing or throne in the new war cinematic looks like the transference chair throne thingy

Hey Siege, didnt see almost anyone here mention the little slip off the lip that Drusus has when you put a donation of 1million credits or more into his little donation box. Something along the lines of "Ahh..with this, i could buy my body- Ahem..A lavish gift for the Leverian!" Always found it interesting. Is his body completely gone, him being trapped in mind alone, like a cephalon? Or some other vital body parts that he would need. Maybe thats how he can control the warframes. From the Silver Grove quest, we know that Tenno are not the only ones capable of using transference, though with prolonged exposure it has a detrimental effect on anything that isnt Tenno. Perhaps Drusus using Transference for those warframes took a toll on his body, and now he aims to get it back? Or perhaps he is just like the solaris, having his body parts in debt to the Corpus. Would be a simpler explanation. Edit: Updated the quote to be accurate. Sauce: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o8WIgNOjptG6g30.html

Warframes were made from specific individuals - Valkyr, Mirage's prime trailers pretty explicitly mention this. Umbra was pretty much the major 'reveal'. Less confirmed but likely is they are able to reassert control when under significant emotional duress - Umbra pretty much all the time but also whatever your frame is during the second dream (or war within, idk) to pick you up and save you, ect. Warframes and tenno are likely a one for one deal - look at Rell & Harrow. They are synonymous because most consider the warframe to be 'avatars' of the tenno, like a username or armor. The whole 'considering warframes as living sentient people made from torture and the infested' is probably a narrative the orokin weren't eager to encourage. Similarly considering the ambiguity about whether the tenno were deliberately created, taking 'magic space children' out of the public perception was likely too. So warframes are weapons, piloted by the tenno, who are soldiers, but outside of that its all very ambiguous. I think the multiple warframes thing is in the same canon realm or killing vor for the hundreth time, a purely mechanics based decision and not suggesting some sort of 'super tenno' that links the leverian frames or 'prototype' frames that modern warframes are cloned from - ballas was an artisan, each frame uniquely designed and crafted, no way he was just making molds for mass production. Also! The leverians very much feel like an endeavour from the story and art side of DE. While designing these themed pieces, building up frames, as is the same with concept artists, you start to write little stories about them, imagine them in action. Maybe its just a more concentrated example of those, built off new frames or deluxe skins, letting that creativity manifest beyond skins and aesthetics. Again, hard to confirm but as an artist myself, the leverians feels like how I would pitch bringing my ideas about the frames im sculpting into the game without making too much work for the whole team.

My impression was definitely the latter; I wouldn't assume anyone to know about the true Tenno. But it also seems that there weren't duplicates of any given frame at the time the stories were told. Or maybe there were and it was just obvious which was the prototype, the Prime, or some such.

The first batch of Warframes where sentient. Rhino's Prime lore entry has a Rhino rampaging through an Orokin ship, killing and eating everyone. All without a tenno. But it seems like after the Tenno started bonding with the warframes that it happened less and less often. But it should be noted that only a handful of people actually knowns about the operators in warframe.

These could be just tales, like gara, but then again, protea is revealed by PARVOS that she had will to protect him, if they were tales they could be an operato, like the original ashe as you said. Great video, bad timing from a perspective of post deadlock protocol P.s. TIME TRAVELING REEEEE

Technically we don't have the original Umbra either, at the start of the sacrifice ballas killed him. We acquired a blueprint from his remains which we used to create a new clone of him.

I think in Voruna's liverian they relude to the operator of that Warframe. When voruna sees the child chosen to be the vessel for the orokin it seems clear that the child themself was Voruna's operator.

I've been thinking that the warframe are beings that yea the orokin did create and they started to lose full control like with Ordis and the came the tenno that they could use to "calm" there beasts back into blissfully serving them again. But there are too many holes to guess atm. I would love more lore quests!

I think I’m the second dream quest how the warframe takes the sword out by himself and Excalibur was the first warframe to be made then everyone has/had a special warframe for a while

Your boy Siege, asking the real questions. But my question is, have the moved forward on the community frame yet, and is there anywhere to vote or pick your concept as one of the final options of some kind?

Way I like to think of warframes is that warframes tenno use are recreations from original warframes, because of what i understood from titania and limbo quests. Titania was created by Silvana and titania died when she was trying to protect her creator, and later when defending silver grove tenno got parts of deceased titania and was able to recreate her. For limbo my take is that he got destroyed when he was using or even researching rift and later tenno was able to recover parts or even guides from rift on how to recreate him.

During the ivara Liverian, it was said that ivara was on a team of "nameless warframes" supposedly these were progenitors, and as they failed in their missions, they were not replicated or recreated. Thus, I believe that the mass production of a frame is based off the progenitor's performance, an I'd they do will, like ivara did, they will be put into mass production and will have blueprints and components made based on them

Prior to the Second Dream no-one knew about the operators (other than a few Orokin). To everyone else in the Galaxy the Warframes were each individual entities capable of amazing things. Add in a lot of time and each Warframes tale became near legend with Inaros being near deified. The levarian is the best of each warframes stories plus time and a little dramatic flair from Drusus. Each of these stories are Tenno controlled Warframes. Umbra is unique though one day they may add echoes copy that ability onto them. It would be great to have any Tenno NPC in the game who could add to the some lore from an operators perspective.

3:00 this is my exact idea. Umbra was the base for Excalibur. Grendel, nezzah, etc I believe the frames have a built in protect the operator at all costs programing that activates when and only when the operator is in direct and immediate danger ( when the stalker stabs out Warframe and we are possibly about to be perma killed ( at least in our minds at the time) or at least heavily damaged. Some frames were mad produced but others were original frames, and the different ones like say volt who don't really have a big story like umbra or stalker who was clearly an Excalibur at one point. Aren't original Warframes but production line soldiers for the Tenno to use as we know the Tenno are limited in number from what ever been only about 12 and have seen in the new war quest. So that's only 12 kids to pilot Warframes but we know there are at least 50 Warframes.

If we’re under the assumption that Drusus is in fact the Tenno who used the frames in the Leverian then an obvious hole in the theory would be the mention of Gauss and Grendel being allies. If he supposedly had both in his arsenal and used them in the retellings of his encounters, then explaining that they were two frames/Tenno who fought together wouldn’t make sense. Aside from that I love these in-depth lore videos they really get me thinking. Great work as always! :3

About vor and his wanting to capture the Warframes, my thought is that if you capture a Warframe, eventually the tenno controlling it will come after it to reclaim it. So a long long play of what teshin was doing during the war within. Idk if that makes sense, but that's how I understand it

I already figured it out the story's in the leveian that the warframes in the story are definitely are self moving themselves. Just look at Ivara leveian. She was in the test if she is worthy to live. Remember, the other warframes was with ivara but they are gone completely. Anyways I always believed that warframe uses to self aware moving themselves. Anyways I believe the Tenno don't fully control the warframe. The warframe you play as always have special behaviors what if that is how they actually behaved when they were once well move on there owned.

Oh I see, in this last case Drusus is like seeing his warframes as actual sentient characters/playing with them and writing stories around their personalities, like what I do in my head... XD

I think theses warframes, at the time of these events were used only by particular tenno or at least the tenno in them were the first to use them. Hence the warframes inherited these tenno's names or the tenno gave them the name. So when they refer to the warframe as a person they refer to the tenno.

It is also possible the lavirian is a cephilon, tasked to record and research different cases of warframe activity

D.E. please hire me i got lore ideas for days son 🤣 all this time i thought you were a bot but i guess not

Nice vid

Maybe the frames where like alive before the tenno maybe they where corrupted or something like that made to have a tenno

He is the man in the wall !

I cannot attest to how to reconcile the leverian with the lore but I do have a detail that you seem to have over looked when discussing umbra. I’m the sacrifice quest, Ballas says the Dax was infected with a different strain of the helminth. While not elaborated on weather this is different from the failed variants, or a variation on the successful strain to creat the umbal frames that retain sentience.

When the old war happened wasn't one tenno given a specific warframe like there weren't any duplicates?

Oke, from what I understood from the sacrifice quest is that the Orokin first try use the Warframes independent. Indeed created from top warriors transmuted with a refined strain of the infected. As I understand it all frames had a "Umbra" predecessor. They where difficult to control but used before the Tenno. The project was almost shutdown before the Tenno where introduced. It's also strongly implied that Stalker is also an Umbra. But... DE has never made any conclusive statements. So yeah, it's shrouded in mystery. The fact that the Tenno existed and controlled the Warframes was hidden or forgotten knowledge at the start of the game. However after Lua being pulled back into realspace and as more awaken and start, acting slowly knowledge of their existence grows. I think replaying the sacrifice and and reading every waster egg they hide in there will give a decent impression. Than taking that as a base for what happens in the Laverian. Maybe it makes sense.

Hey there from 2023 so i see the laverians as action of the tenno factions during and before the orokin fall as a world building tool by DE from the pov of a outsider

Nezha's Leverian has something interesting to say.

i think there is some of the tenno that the lotus or (who ever) did not put to sleep... maybe he is one of them just like the man in the wall (just a theory) love your videos btw 🥰

Seems like this was indirectly answered by the Dagath story where she was explicitely stated to be a low ranking Dax soldier that was turned into a Warframe not unlike Excalibur Umbra, I assume this is probably going to be the case with Arthur too in 1999 as he seems to be using Excal abilities

On the the subject of Drusus one of his donation quotes is a comment about how he will be able to buy back his body, so i don't think he is a tenno but maybe corpus in origin.

Had a thought while typing a comment, during the Ivaras quest its noted that some warfames where destroyed as part of a test. Is it possible that most warframes were sentient, willing volunteers transfored into warriors. These evolutions, while powerful, may have lacked the powers related to the warframe for the most part (likely more to do with the scale of the power. As you mentioned, they dont seem that powerful in the stories compared to our use of them in game). Only on fusing with a operator does he serve as a battery for the warframes power. Not many of the warframe tales seem to relate to the sentient war, yet the downfall of the orokin was hinted to be at the celebration or honoring ceremony for the tenno. So can we look at the warframes, each individual, being used as a sort of elite soldier for the orokin? Presumably the process is dangerous or otherwise dificult to reproduce, as the orokin used great warriors. But with the discovery that tenno can control creatures, perhaps these originals were studdied and reproduced en mass, orginally becomming 'Prime Varients' (which we are able to salvage parts and build, which lends itself to the idea that these arnt the same as umbra who was transformed from a person). As the war progressed, ostentation would have taken a back seat, even to the orokin, and so the standard warframe would have been produced. Slightly weaker, but much more mass producable. This fits with the concept in game that we can have many of the same warframe running the same mission. Also in the cinematic trailer we see regular versions of warframes in what appears to be just shy of post orokin rule. Thats all i got for now.

DE has actually talked about future umbra frames

Now that I think about it, in Grendels Levirian there are parts for a standard Gauss helmet meaning that non primed variants existed during the end of the Orokin empire and presumably before it with the Tennocon 2019 cutscene. My question is, did the Orokin make the regular frames, and if so why did they them to begin with even though the Primes are superior. Hopefully DE can shed some light on this.

I've never been able to get my head around the frames and their sentient and current existence, the game give each frame a personality in their quests codex as well as the leverian suggesting the frames either had sentience like umbra but lost it or each tenno piloted one frame and one frame only the chains of harrow suggests this and that to me makes the current existence of the frames a bit weird as well as the question of how exactly are we building these frames if a frame takes a literal person to make

I always thought it'd be a cool twist to have the "deluxe skins" turn out to be progenitor(s) frames. The base and prime frames then being the "mass-produced" versions.

My personal headcannon is initially every Tenno was issued only a single Warframe, but the Tenno that lost their original issued ones (like the destroyed models in ivarras entry) were issued cheaper copies of other frames later in the war. This would explain the primes vs standard variants. These Tenno who maintained their original frames are the ones the leverian entries are about. So the leverian entries are each individual Tenno acting through their original warframes

Quests also have the same issue, acting as if they don't have an operator. Deadlock Protocol released today is a prime and recent example.

In the sacrifice quest im pretty sure they said that frames are infested so why they dont move on their own except few ones?

I remember that in the game whenever they talk about deeds that warframes have done for instance Gara or Revenant, they never actually use the tenno's name, they always talk as if the frame is acting on its own even though we know that there are tenno inside. The only tenno that is ever named instead of using the warframe name is Rell with Harrow. What I used to believe was that each tenno had their own Warframe specifically built for them, so addressing a warframe would be addressing the tenno, since they would essentially be one and the same. That would explain why we rarely get to hear of other tenno even though we hear so much about what they did. I feel like our tenno is unique and after all the other tenno had "died" like Gara or became lost like Limbo, we just reclaimed their warframes and created our stash.

vor didnt know about the operators because 1, not a thing back then. and 2 lore wise. im pretty sure the orokin were rather tight lipped about how their godly enforcers operated. although i do question the mental state of the operators that control larvos during his story. or were they not controlled back then? or were the ones in the story the "prime" frame?

I would totally agree that DE hires you for more story quests