Morality won't get me my next Orokin Reactor.

Honestly I think Stalker doesn't even know who he's fighting for anymore

scammers, scalpers and low ballers in trade chat are dark tenno.

I hope this is true. I always wanted to fight something that was more on our level. Not just a random new boss or a rampaging warframe, but someone who is as active in the universe as we are, and just as capable as we are. I hope DE explores this possibility more.

During the Halloween event last year there's a story told by Mother about Orokin using Kuva to "wear" people as "costumes", and moreover having manipulated the bodies of the people they intended to wear into grotesque forms specifically to be something different to "wear" - implying that no, they do not keep their old forms and yes, they do take on new appearances. And since they were tricked into using the wrong Kuva, the transition into the new bodies was permanent, meaning that continuity was performed by accident. As for whether we're good or not... _change of plans Tenno, leave nothing alive._

Uh yeah, I've thought about "who I'm fighting for" a lot, actually, so let's go down the list real quick: Grineer: Bad. Their war machine turns whole celestial bodies into husks or toxic wastelands, and they will continue to dominate the system until "all are Grineer." For example, they already did this to Mars, making a young Baro Ki'Teer into a refugee. Corpus: Bad, always have been. Parvos' and the Board's wealth was literally built on the back of the Origin System's largest pyramid scheme and is held aloft by worker exploitation, debt-slavery, and their Theology of Desire (which is just as bunk as Prosperity Gospel, just more sci-fi). Infested: Bad. They're essentially the Flood. It get's a little muddy once you realize that our Warframes are basically made of the the stuff, but that just makes us the most qualified to unalive them. Corrupted: Mostly automated security, Ideologically Neu--- Look at them, they come to this place when they know they are not pure. Tenno use the keys... Orokin: A Solar-system-encompassing empire whose ruling caste stole children from their families so they could inhabit shiny new bodies whenever they fancied? One that upheld a brutal caste system that crushed those at the bottom? One that casually created, destroyed, and significantly altered sentient life? One that plundered their domain for all it was worth, and had eyes on colonization? Definitely Bad. Sentients: Good*. They correctly identified that the Orokin would lead Tau to ruin, and are completely justified in trying to stop that by destroying Orokin society. However, we're led to believe that they were/are out to destroy absolutely everything (which is a tired trope, to be sure), but Hunhow explicitly wants US dead, so conflict is unavoidable. Makes sense that they would want the Grineer and Corpus gone, though. The former would likely try to finish what the Orokin started in Tau once they were done with the Origin System and the latter keeps going on and on about being the Orokin's "Inheritors" or whatever... and would also "seek new business opportunities" in Tau. Ballas/Erra: A lot of room for interpretation on this one, but they are definitely manipulating Natah into doing their bidding, so not a great impression so far. (Justice for Natah) Stalker/Acolytes: Not Tenno, but Soldiers of a dead empire (that we killed, btw) driven by their Zealotry to Warframify themselves. Ostrons: Helping indigenous people fend off an invading force? Good. Solaris United: Helping teamsters stick it to their corporate overlords and help keep people from getting brain-shelved? GOOD. Ventkids: Logical. Quills: We know three things about the Quills: They know the Secret of the Tenno (and help us), are mysterious, and can ...see causality??? I'm with LD, dunno if I can trust 'em. Vox Solaris: More SU, 'cept now we're taking down Metal Gear Corpus! (also

Me when being a Tenno: "I am not the Villain in this story. I do what I do because there is no choice. maybe our paths will cross in the future, but for now, this is goodbye."

I think that given the immortality of the Cephalons and Warframes, the Orokin had other methods of perpetual life extension but purposefully chose the cruelest method to do so. Even the modern day higher ranking Corpus live centuries if not millennia, and it would not surprise me if the Orokin had a perfected version of that life extension in a form other than continuity. Another thing to note is that from the Lavos Leverian and Nihil the Orokin really weren't big on social mobility, so it wouldn't quite make sense for Teshin to have participated in Continuity as that was something exclusively used by the highest catses of the empire.

8:50 most likely the Orvius he is using to hold down our warframe and engaging in a Neuralink without the queens noticing it. I mean if he used transferenc wouldnt the queens notice? Before awakening our powers we need a somatic link for transference and without one would make us "merge" with our transference target. The Orvius is most likely a weapon made after the old war durring the Tenno insurrection to kill/capture Warframes easier

There's so much potential in the Warframre universe. I hope that it gets to be realised someday.

*"Nope, don't care let the bodies hit the floor"*

So Vor was right when he talked about anus(Janus) key, we are lost dont know what should we do we cant decide for ourselves, and thats why factions are unfortunately using us, but i think some factions are true to us like orokin from deimos who are thankful to us for saving their family and i think its how the orokin normally look with longer arm and blue skin, the queens have symetrical arms and grey skin which imo means they kuvad themselfes on some grineer and teshin probably makes conclave and steel path for tenno to teach them to survive the upcoming breakpoint which you talk about

Nice analogie, I had that reflection once. We are born to kill and serve many masters. For the good or the wrong reason. Guess it falls on all to justify the reason we embrace doing it. My fashion frame as always reflected the dark side, yet under those colors, armors I always did it for the good of the game. Did I enjoyed killing? Of course, since we are here to execute orders with no remorse. Great video bud, hope all is good for ya, best wishes to you. Peace.

I fight for the floofs...my goals are beyond your comprehension. Seriously tho, great video and a good head scratcher.

it's actually quite sad that a youtube content creator seems to care way more about Warframe's lore than all of DE's staff combined

I always found it weird that there isnt really a stated end goal, culture or set rules that the Tenno follow. Heck we don't really know the about the Tenno Council operate, since every Tenno is a walking Geneva Convention and are there any form of punishment for traitors.

One thing that I’ve always thought of is this: instead of dark Tenno were there ever Tenno that stayed loyal to the orokin instead of fighting against them

Literally what I’ve been thinking, are there other evil tenno aside from the stalker and his acolytes! I must knowwww

It reminds me of that meme. "Hans, are we the baddies?"

I have played with some evil tenno so yeah, they are real

"And so you became Tenno: Serving the Orokin, but bound by honor." Our allegiance is to "The Lotus". Our service is to the Orokin and its descendants, in this case all of humanity. But our oath is for each and every Tenno alone. The Corpus and the Grineer are descendants of the Golden Lords. We serve them equally. So are the colonies we encounter: the Myconians, the Ostrons, the Solarians. As long as they're human and as long as they are not acting against us, they are spared the gun and blade, and our hands become their will. The only entity we classify as "enemy" are the Sentients. Every means to gain the power to defeat the enemy are fair game, and nothing is too sacred to become our means. Look at some of us, now even preferring the Necramechs over even Umbra. You see it now? I hope so. There's no such thing as Light or Dark Tenno. All are Grey. And the correct question would be: "What is the Tenno Code of Honor, and do we still abide by it?"

Rell: am i a joke to you

Thanks for another thought provoking video. Helps keep the story fresh and interesting while we wait to see if more will come of it eventually

This is really interesting, but I think it missed one important point. The Tenno are meant to have a code of honor, though it's never really explained what it is or how it was developed. The closest thing we get to that is somewhat promising but ultimately leaves a lot of questions. The Second Dream provides the biggest hints during the "School Test" at the end where we answer questions for the Lotus: "The Orokin murdered Margulis - used her work to create 'Transference'. Your mind - projected into a surrogate, strong enough to withstand your power. It felt like waking up, but it was just a lucid - second dream" Each of the possible answers offers some insight into the motivations of the Tenno at least in canon, and accepting some amount of Ludo-narrative dissonance. "...we protected the innocent." "It was a shadow underneath what we did. That sensation of being a victim, of being helpless. I took up the sword to protect those in need." "...we sought justice." "Maybe we felt it? Maybe it didn't matter. We had a life! We embraced it. I wanted to punish those who abused their power and now I had a way." "... we reached for knowledge." "We sensed that otherness, but we embraced it. I was free as anything! Free to learn, to experience, to mean something." "... we fought with honor." "We must have known. I remembered what it was like to be afraid, to be weak. I vowed never to forget that, never to abuse what I had been given. I had a code." "... we were fearless." "There was a sense of it, but we set fear aside. I remembered what fear did. How it turned them against us. I vowed never to be controlled by it. I was going to live, or die, with honor." Finally I think that interestingly enough, the most telling aspect of the at least canonical values of the Tenno is in Ballas' description of the very source of their most iconic power. The ability to command the Warframes. ""We had created monsters we couldn't control. We drugged them, tortured them, eviscerated them... We brutalized their minds... but it did not work. Until they came. And it was not their force of will - not their Void devilry - not their alien darkness... it was something else. It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing... and take away its pain." To me these quotes are at the core of the Tenno's sense of honor, and why the story resonates with me so strongly emotionally... and also why I think our conflict with the Sentients is quite unnecessary and actually pretty tragic. For all the memes about mass murder for loot, well, that's the genre of game this is. It'd be a completely different type of game without it. One DE might very well not be able to fund their continued existence with. So I don't tend to think about that kinda thing too much from a story perspective. The Grineer seek to destroy or enslave everything that isn't Grineer. The Corpus seek to do pretty much the same under the pretense of "fair competition" that they just so happen to have a massive head start on winning at all times and have no qualms about changing the rules as it serves their interests. They're both pretty clearly not very chill guys. The motivations of the Ostrons and Solaris on the other hand are mainly defined by their struggle for survival against the actions of those factions, and the Tenno's relationship to them is a part of that. Ok, I don't really have a good conclusion to the essay but yeah, cool video, as usual.

Finally. Someone addressed this. Honestly, DE could create so many stories out of the tenno. Not just the Dark Tenno, but all sorts of Tenno. Those who have given up the fight, and decide to just watch from the void, those who do become genocidal killers bent on just ending the entire system, and perhaps a splinter group stopping them. Awesome boss fights can be had with all sorts of warframes (But something cinematic like most other games and not the way DE does their enemy riggings.) However, if we are to believe that the Tenno are a rarer race (not 26 million strong), I can imagine a relay full of Tenno discouraged by the turning of the Lotus and secluding away from danger. Other sample stories that DE can use. - A Tenno able to control multiple warframes at once, hoping to kill all other tenno thinking them being the highest power of authority have run rampant far too long. - a Tenno gone crazed wishing to bring back the glory of the Orokin - a fireteam of tenno mercenaries paid well enough by the corpus to fight for them (I can imagine parvos pulling enough favors, though not with the player character) - Weaker tenno protecting the syndicates - Etc. (Possibilities are endless) If the entire system were aware the Tenno are children, they might be in constant propaganda with each other for the hopes to manipulate the Tenno. Thus can lead to a storyline where the players are never sure who can be trusted. The potential is insane.

I'm with the fraction which offers more credits and plat for my rivens!

After everything we’ve seen, It’d be real hard to convince me the grineer or corpus are really the good guys, or the Ostrons and Solarans the bad guys. The sentients on the other hand, we still know very little about them, what their goals are, what their society is like. All we know is they’re the enemy of our enemy.

Dude i was thinking to write a fan fic about it just a few days ago. The timing is just right

It wouldn't even take much trickery to get a tenno to fight your you. Just say you're gonna give them a prime part or smth

I would actually like a Tenno war event that would be awesome and a perfect way to re introduce a better pvp

theory videos like this are why I subscribed. Keep up the awesome work.

I can't wait to hear about your review of Tennocon 2021 "The Anticipation" 😁

Man… i love your videos so damn much!!!

Your videos are always so thought provoking and makes me use my lizard brain for more than 2 seconds. I love it. Until I try to get back into Warframe and remember that I don’t play anymore because I’m bored out the ass with a lack of content Anyways, keep up the great content. I love watching everything you post

Damn, i didnt expect a wake up call like this

Man that War Within clip made me remember how much I loved that quest, and how much I miss these quests too.

What I expected: A neat video about the possibly of dark Tenno in warframe. What I got: A deep reflection on mortality though the actions and morals of ninja mechs and kids from space. Not that I'm complaining though. Keep it up.

Letsssss gooooo happy to see you uploading dude

I swear this man with his thoughts and theory blow my mind great vid man

Maaaann glad someone else has had this thought

This is why I love your channel you're basically the only KZfaqr who gives critical thinking pertaining to warframe and I'm grateful for that, thank you. Personally, I always thought about this myself every time I go on a mission especially these days, I mean what if the Sentients aren't our enemies, why are we fighting them, their enemy is the orokin why are the Sentients going to war with the system, instead of trying to coexist along with everyone, why is the Stalker constantly going after does he know something we don't? I feel someone is working behind the scenes and they're hellbent on seeing certain factions go to war with each other like the Tenno and The Sentients why does it feel like both sides are being made to fight each other? Even on the Sentient's side something doesn't feel right, where is Natah's father and mother? These are some of the I hope will be answered in the coming future of warframe, again thank you for making us Tenno think more critically.

Food for thought for the man in the mirror from Cephalon Simaris. “Do you ever wonder why only the Hunter is rewarded, when it is the specimen that gives all to the Sanctuary? I find it best to discard such thoughts.”

Konzu in cetus already tells you the answer to this question. "Surah killer".

Haven't even watched the video yet but reading the title the first thing that comes to mind immediately is the acolytes.

Hello! New viewer to your channel and I've been enjoying all your theories and opinions. Keep up the awesome work!

"is that how you remember it?" that is so powerfull, it make what it is now. not many question it, but some did. a surprise is coming. be ready tenno. and it's on you Swazdo-lah Surah stay save ii

I've often felt a kind of Revan'ish type of reveal when it comes to the Tenno... You have a belief from the very intro that you are fighting the good fight only to find out you are a god-like homicidal orphan following the guidance of a broken machine sent to destroy you. Hard to come back from that. I can only guess how DE will tie it all up. I hope it's not a kind of "plan" that wipes it all away neatly because this story is far more complicated than that.

I believe that, ever since Lotus/Natah left, we fight for ourselves. We are our own side, opposed in some way to every other party.

My guess is that they are felt with in the background. The "another operative" that raid the survival you are the distraction, same way we are never told what "precious information" we hack into. The player tenno is the main character so the only thing that matter is the interaction with he/she. Even in a squad the other players are not import in cannon cause you can't have that all of then made the same main quests. There is one Excalibur Umbra, one greener queen, one moon to be pulled out of the void. The "dark tenno" may be a future villain, maybe after we deal with the ancient they will no longer be a distraction, or maybe during that time, is not that hard to imagine that at least some tenno would hear natah and decide to join her.

Brightburn is an absolute brilliant metaphor for the Tenno. You're mirroring many of my own questions.

While I agree that a person might look different after using continuity, I wonder if you could identify someone by examining their Oro.

Honestly, I think that at least in the case of the Continuity of Ballas, Nihil, Entrati, and all other high-ranking Orokin, they might be able to re-shape their bodies to look more like their original selves after continuity, we know that Orokin had really advanced technology based on manipulation of bio-matter and use of technocyte And when it comes to what side we are on, well Grineer are an oppressive war-mongering regime that is willing to destroy any of their kind who don't fit their utilitarian society (a good example being Kavor defectors), Corpus are profit-driven capitalism pushed into being a religious cult, willing to put everything through a meat grinder for just a little bit more profit(don't even get me started on the debt system used to keep Solaris and possibly even more groups under Corpus control in check), Infested are just a swarm that wants to devour everything, and Sentients instead of Staying in Tau and trying to build future for themselves or try to push further into space to go away form system once belonging to their oppressive overlords, are still hellbent on getting their vengeance on Tenno, like all these factions fight for selfish reasons non-less than we Tenno do so it's hard to tell any of them are good or bad, just all grey across the board, when it comes to factions i would consider good, probably Steel Meridian and Perin Sequence would be my top candidates, as they do fight to make a change for better in system, worst part is that they are hostile towards each other een if both fight for the same thing, changing their faction of origin for better

I like to dumb it down a bit. None of the faction are good, and from what I've experienced, if they got a gun and they're not on your side, shoot em. But as someone with power, I believe I have to protect the innocent, and I believe that's our cause (protecting ostrons from the grineer, protecting solaris from the corpus). So as long as I'm not pointing my 7 forma amprex at a civilian, I think I'm fighting for the right cause. And if it's a tenno pointing their guns at a civilian, the faction no longer matters to me. least that's how I feel in this game.

I never thought I'd be thinking this deeply about warframe, if DE pursues this idea then It'll bring back the thing that kept me playing for so long, the feeling that I'm impacting the in game worlds.

The idea of good and evil within the universe of warframe I feel is a matter of perspective. The Tenno in particular are as you said a child finding their way through this universe without much of their memories and grand majority of them are doing their own thing (I typically keep to myself and make work in my clan dojo and occasionally going for a resource farm). The way I see it there are those sympathetic or give aid to the Tenno such as Darvo, Clem, Marroo, Nora, the Entrati, People of Fortuna, those in Cetus, and even Teshin (maybe, he did help us in the war within). Then there are the syndicates that wish for the Tenno to validate their cause or persuade the Tenno to believe in their tenets for their own benefit often sending assassins (that we kill rather easily so you’d think they’d know better) against Tenno who do not follow their “right” path, though they can also aid you by giving you weaponry or certain mods making them rather useful making it akin to a symbiotic relationship depending on how you go about it. Then there are our supposed enemies to which I believe that if we remove the queens, perhaps have parvos as an ally (we did save him from the granum void, but his intent is unclear), and the defeat or some peaceful resolution with the sentients through the lotus/Natah, there could potentially be some for of peace (though that seems very very unlikely)

Legend says the dark Tenno are hiding in the trade chat selling rivens at absurd prices...

The first time I heard the fortuna theme I actually got hyped, love it

"The line separating good and evil passes through every human heart." Yet, some days are more darker than others.

Hearing all these theories makes me think and pay more attention to things in the game like the necramech from heart of deimos who was controlling it and why did it sound slightly like nihil and how it knew about the heart

The king's return🙂💜

the video is great I always thought that a dark tenno faction would pop up in duvi-paradox and duvi would be after the new war but the part on teshin i find it to be a stretch tho

I think the tenno do not belong on one side. They arnt a force for one side... but made to be a tool, used to achieve the end. The orokin did make tenno for the sake of warring with others and ruling with an iron fist. Where that went wrong was using living subjects to do it, allowing for them to be able to choose who to work for. So essentially, we were made to be neutral but are able to be swayed any which way by whatever that tenno wants We are literal mercenaries

Its good to see that Im not the only one who likes the jade set for excalibur :).

"A Friend in need is a Friend indeed My side would be whatever side needs help the most.

this will be cool in the end of the New War to be able to choose which side to take- light side ( " good side" ) whit the lotus as our "leader" sort of speak- if turns out she is whit us and she is good person- or dark side ( "bad side" ) whit the Stalker as a leader. This divide will bring a posible ideas for PVP content

I always thought the war within was a flash back to when tenshin was training us. That he was like a favorite or specially augmented to last long. Also we don’t know how long they could make other things last.

In my mind, we're relics of a bygone era trying to restore some semblance of what we consider normal

for Teshin knowing basic transference, its possible, and its likely a lot of characters (maybe the Quills) know how to use it, as we see that people who havent been exposed to the pure void can still use simple transference, like Ballas directly controlling Umbra Baro probably knows how to use transference given his research into void energy needed to produce prisma equipment, teleportation, and whatever he uses to protect himself from the neural systems within old orokin buildings (which, in a way, is its own form of transference)

The choices circle, i think it makes us a Dark tenno or a Good one.

I honestly appreciate this video cause I was thinking about this for awhile but couldn’t explain it the way you did. Honestly, I wouldn’t say that I’ll be a dark Tenno or a righteous Tenno, I’ll just be fighting for my own cause and my own beliefs. If we ever get a quest that’ll allowed us to fight natah and give us the choice to forgive her or kill her. I’ll kill her for betrayal.

Personally, my end-goal as a tenno is to help the civilian population oppressed by the Grineer and Corpus empires, if that means clearing out all the Grineer and Corpus (other than Steel and Perrin) them so be it.

"From brooding gulfs are we beheld By that which bears no name Its heralds are the stars it fells The sky and Earth aflame" The questioning was very valid but worse from the orokin inheriting the tenno's body is who is trying to reach from the void, the one who revels in the tenno's bad deeds and earned them the names orokin, infested and elder queen calls them. I think this "the reason to fight to begin with" will be explored more with planes of duviri or void content, the new war will bring the question to surface.

The Right side is Steel Meridian, because no one stands up for 'them'! except Steel Meridian !

Remember the Lotus did mention that we fight for the Free Colonists and many of the old Grineer missions had you either crippling their attempt at taking the Colonists possession/territory or retaliating against an attack.

I see the Tenno as an old way to keep the orokin in power but as we were awakened into a new time, I see us as survivors rather than a society. We are ancient weapons of mass destruction that some of society look up to and some of society fear and wish to control. Our main goal is to constantly upgrade our gear so that we can over power our adversaries who want us dead or our power. We do bounties in Cetus and Fortuna not because it’s morally right to help these people but because we kill two birds with one stone: taking out armies bent on taking our power and we get weapons, frame components, and the trust and aid of the people. So in conclusion we are not fighting for a side, we are fighting for our survival.

At this point, I'm on the Sentients side, if it means destroying everything and starting all over again. Siege, this has no correlation to this video, but I wanted to tell you something curious I noted in the Hidden Messages quest. During the quest, Lotus tells about a fight between Mirage and a "worm-ship"; in the Rising Tide quest, Cy also describes a battle between his old crew and a worm-ship. It got me thinking if the "void dragon" - as people like to call - in the Duviri Paradox trailer is actually called worm-ship.

Hi @TheDsIEGE ! First wanted to thank you for those years of lore content ^^ and I wanted to ask you a question that I'm sure it'll interest you : what are your thougts about the implant shaped as the orokin rocks we jump on in the cave with the ayatan like sculture during the war within quest, that is revealed to us in our operator's head while standing upon the reliquary drive the closest to the roof ? : D mine switches constantly from being visible and not, being difficult to find an angle with wich it "stands" still. I thought about the somatic link, but why would the eyes, tongue and teeth not be the same ? Hoping to finally have advancement with the man in the wall during the new war... finally knowing how all your knowledge and thougts fit into it ! x) keep up your craft, hoping your life keeps being good during this decieving Era we're all living in and that you and your family kept their TRUE Operator far from Hellminth and his biotechnological experimental procedure to protect you from the mistycal Vayeruss

To me in the story of warframe we start as war childs but slowly we end up as pirates. We don't opose the two major factions as a heroes against evil but as a countermeasure (and a very lucrative one). Slowly we create our own bases (relays and dojos) were we trade stolen goods and form allies with the enemies of the two major factions because we all are outcast of their systems. And the best part of it is that because it is a coop game, the faction that you are actually defending is the other players.

I personally value high morals i use to be different in a bad way but I'm trying to change for the best to this day thanks to someone important to me I have my feelings again and I worry for those who can't fight for themselves i wish I could make an alignment change i hope I get that chance to reflect that I'm trying to change to a better path in life

I think it's more likely that Teshin Dax was probably just heavily involved in the transference program maybe serving as security or some such to Margulus or Balas

Of course there is, Stalker and his acolytes But never imagined that line of theory, if there's more Orokin, so it would be really cool to see those Dark Tenno as enemies.

your excalibur is immaculate good sir

Finally we are talking about this! It is an obvious question that we don't think much about it. How the orokin perform this transference between bodies and keep their "perfect" form... The implications are way too big to ignore.

I think that our frames are only a tool- like stasis in destiny 2. there are people who are saying that stasis is bad, but there also a people who say that if you can control it, it is just a weapon (dangerous but still). Maybe dark tenno could show us that even if you have weapon to help people, this weapon can corrupt you to be a villain

Hey, have you done a video on Ris (parazon mod) and Xaku's The Lost? They Gaze, Accuse, Deny.

It's funny how the later quests didn't left as much of an impact on me as the earlier ones such as "Stolen Dreams" and "The Limbo Theorem" mostly because I was helping someone that clearly needed the help or was so excited to move forward with something they had discovered that the feeling was intoxicating. That are so very feel quests after those that didn't hit the same notes for me. "Octavia's Anthem" was a good example of what motivated me to help. I didn't care for Hunhow's threats, I didn't really care getting Octavia and I specially didn't care that Simaris had a change of heart on that moment. I just wanted to make Suda happy. That was it. "Stolen Dreams" only hooked me because Maroo really needed to get something out of the job and I felt really bad when it became a dud in the end. I could feel she would be struggling if this job she pulled us into didn't pay off in the end. "The Limbo Theorem" made me excited to see Ordis in such rush of excitment because it felt like he found THE story that was just his jam, only to see it ends in a VERY SOUR NOTE. That made me use Limbo not because he is a near perfect utility frame, but because Ordis went so out of it's (I should've said his) way just to find out what happened to it's previous escapades and begged me to make it's parts just so he could have a glimpse of it. So to honour his excitment and give a glimmer of hope that "It" would see the light of day again, I told myself that "I, the player, this particular Tenno" would learn every minute detail about it's particular weaknesses and strenghs to, maybe one day, bring back the glory this fella we dug out togheter once had. I initially thought that "the Second Dream" and it's preciding quest were amazing because it showed that the Lotus was in the same boat as we were, but as things are spiraling out of control now with all the things relating to "THE MAN", I'm starting to think something has gone horribly, horribly wrong somewhere in the past.The Lotus needs help, but we can't get to her. I wanted to sit down and talk with her... Hell, I'd do the same with Hunhow if he gave me the chance! But alas, we are spiraling towards a vortex of deception and subterfuge planted by the one entity that isn't going to give us the only answer we want: "Remember kiddo. You Owe Me." It would help a lot if you told us WHAT do we owe you. Transparence is the essence of trust, but you seem really selective about what and when you are crystal clear with us. Isn't it time we changed that, "Man in the Wall"?

you can actually choose for dark or white or balance depednign on the anwser during the main story as you play them. that way it reflect on what functions you have since yes depending on the choices you made you have diffrent fucntionalities. white answer mostly leads to cleansing of the system. dark anwser a more infested approach like deimos related stuff, balance and you get a dark melee hit effect that causes darkness to spread. also certain anwser if go dark make you on and off loose controll of you warframe, depending on what you choose during war within. i tested it multiple time via replay and it affect gameplay! so yes dark tenno are allready in game! also it alter you characters chatter responses.

Congratulations, you've just spoken what I thought was always the obvious thing about the story of the game! ;P As for an answer to your question, I'd kinda like to answer that half in-character. I cannot speak for the other Tenno in the System. I cannot even speak for the clan I reside in currently. I can only speak for myself. And as myself, my answer is as such. I agree with the ideology of the Arbiters of Hexis, to the extent that the Tenno must become more than just a loosely connected band of Mercenaries and Assassins. (Mandalorians, anyone?) I agree with Teshin, that the Tenno must be ready for whatever enemy that comes to face us. I agree with The Perrin Sequence and Steel Meridian, to the extent that the Corpus and Grineer equally need new leadership in order for their cultures to grow beyond mindless harming of innocents. I agree with Red Veil and New Loka, to the extent that the common people need to be protected and that they need a home to return to. I agree with Simaris and Suda, to the extent that we must know our enemies and must remember our pasts. I am an honored friend of Cetus, an ol' mate of Fotuna, an adopted family member to the Entrati. I am an agent of The Quills, a leader of Vox Solaris, a scholor among Necraloids. I am the blade of The Lotus. I strike down those who would trample on others to make themselves seem more important. I protect those who cannot currently protect themselves. I am a Tenno. And I will follow these ideals until The Void itself takes me.

I hope they do something like that with all the choices like if there are 3 Tenno faction light, neutral, dark. And there would be like incusions where you could compete not pvp but like which team can finish a mission faster and who ever wins gets double XP and a random primed mod but you’d only be able to do it once a day

honestly i think its the selections that we are given in the quests that show a light side a light and dark and dark thats how we know if we are on the good side or the bad so its you who choses not the game or the story its you but still who are we fighting for... well idk.

the question like this has always been floating around from time to time and I never seem to feel like it, maybe half and half since currently I see the Tenno's current figure head being The Man in The Wall witch isn't all to well for me since I agree with your points on "The Devil in Detail". But considering the only 4 Factions that currently run the world that being Grineer and Corpus witch only look out for themselves and now do what the Orokin once did to them, turn them into slaves, look no further then the people of Cetus who are harassed, kidnapped and threatened by the Grineer and Solaris United once owned by corpus chairman Nef who treats them horribly or kills them off selling their body parts and will be willing to sacrifice them to the Granum void and will cheat anyway he can for profit. As for the other two being more or less not as active as the Grineer and Corpus are the Infested and Sentient with the infested wanting nothing more then to mutate people into zombie hive like people, as for the Sentients they seem to want to annihilate nearly anything Orokin witch seems to be nearly everyone. Of course there isn't a pure good or bad but from how I see things we seem to be the only ones to keep things in order keeping the power hungry not so powerful.

I thought you might also have discussed how the Solaris behave around us when we're in range in regards to the dark tenno angle. How tenno were responsible for torturing the Solaris. That could added imo to the dark tenno theory. I remember something about the Dax being given longevity, at the expense of self will, so I just accepted Teshin to have always looked like that. What didn't make sense to me was when he asked why they would want the child, not the warframe. He should know more than that in his position, and having lived as long as he has, been able to find a way into our minds during the Continuity attempt. I mean we do encounter him in the quest line on different tilesets, including an Orokin one. Who's to say he hasn't gone off on his own in the past and scoured Orokin structures? Maybe he's lived as long as he could by design and the Queens extended it further because they needed him as the last Dax. That perhaps over time, could've given him a bigger sense of self, like Wall-E did over time. A will and consciousness beyond the original design.

I remember the tenno get there power from the void which helps them become sortove a being of light but what about a place of somewhere else a dark and probably forgotten place that could give them that dark power.

Well, most likely. The man in the wall is in need of a body, that and the the grinder queen named worm, rogue corpus, orokin who have been dormant for eons, and most likely people who are with the stalker. But if that were the case then I have a question. Would ordis be of more assistance if he had a Warframe or was a Warframe, just in case this was accurate?

Bro that excalibur is looking fire can you show us the fashion frame on another video I would highly appreciate that.

Gotta say, in my own mind, and I believe in my Tenno's as well (since I'm the who plays him I'm gonna believe that 🙃), I still believe we're the good guys, since most of the time (I hope) we fight for those who can't fend for themselves, the Ostrons, the Solaris, and even the Entraty in a way... Can't say much about the syndicates though, they're quite... unrelatable if I may way, but I'll still try to hold on to my beliefs (if there's such a thing in a videogame 😅)

Darn, didn't mean to send the message just yet lol you got me to thinking, what do you think the long term effects would be of 'the' Tenno (I.E the singular 'hero of the story') going full in step with the ideology of the various syndicates? Some of them are unquestionably helpful in the majority of ways, but others...well, a *bit* more questionable, and worrisome in just what they would do with a Tenno at their beck and call full time you know?

Since the Halloween event on deimos we know that tham other kind of kuva exist and you can use it to reconstructed a bodie and to change the bodie

I think this choice will have an effect on the new war but i do believe the choice from good or bad is there or accepting both the golum says sumthing about being of the light side

The way I see it evil behavior creates evil reactions. Hence the way the orikin treated everyone under them( the corpus, the griner, the sentients, the tenno), the orikin imprinted on all of them sowing seeds of discontent and vengeance so that they can imprint on others thus the cycle continues. I can't say for certainty if the tenno want to break the cycle or continue it. After all they were raised in war, peace is a new concept to them and like all kids new things scare them. The origin system runs on war and chaos, though evil in nature it is a system that has not yet destroyed everything. Such as a forest that grows over populated a wild fire clears away all access. I can't say for certain what I want as a tenno but I can say that war and absolute chaos is just another day in warframe.