Getting starting boxes with 1 complete army is genius. 1. Lets be honest, you never 'give' the other halve away. 2. Rarely do you want both armies. Remember 'AoS Feast of Bones? I wanted the Ossiarch Bonereapers, my ogres on spru are still colecting dust. 3. You get to start (or restart) with enough points to get you going, with a nice new dragon (for TK) and can build you army to toornament 2k points yourselve. About nothing of that box is waisted in my opinion. 4. Even I can now stay focused on painting my army before anything else. With 2 in the starter, I get tons of excuses to myselve for doing yet again, something else, finishing nothing. 5. What about NO to splitting the box because... Who gets the rulebook? Or the dice (now important bacause scatter dice)? And if you do not like either army, well, then start with wathever you want I guess. But my army, my special troop ain't here now??? No problem, we waited for 10 years, you can wait a little longer because you are special, or the orks and dwarves come out next...

The old world is pretty much the first release GW didn't fuck up. Rules are great. And u can use your Aos models to play

Have either of you even played? "There are better games, like conquest, which I haven't played but have been told is great" or "did they even playtest it?" when anyone with any playtime knows it plays well.

I'm only getting back into it as i still have my old models. They look so much nicer on the larger bases rather than being squished up like they used to.

From what I have seen and the games played, it looks like the best ruleset gw have ever made, even better than mesbg.

I only play with my mate so we’ve decided we are not going to bother rebasing.

The journals that have been issued are not army books but give you extra rules and new troops and characters for said army, which I think is great.

Some of the made to orders have come out less expensive than expected.

TOW is catering to a whole bunch of people who love miniature wargaming and either don’t love the AoS setting, or the game itself (I don’t love either but believe me that I’ve really tried to :*( ). To me, TOW setting is simply way more evocative. Add to that the fact that everyone’s praising the new rules rewrite and I’m all in. I never played WFB (was too young), but very much looking forward to jumping in head first :) Also, I got lots of Ironjawz that will finally get some play! Woo!

I've bought a lot of GW stuff, likely far more than I should have done, and I'll tell you now that I have never split a box with anyone. I'd much rather they give me more of one army than less of two.

It amazes me how people can determine yay or nay without playing the game. Or determining it is same game without playing it. From play throughs I’ve watched it is a different game from all the previous editions

I’ve been liking the Old World rules very much

Very much yay

The hype hits reality - will be the actual rules and game play. I have moved on to some historical games (including rank-flank), so I can deal with rule crunch (although there are lots of streamlined and innovative new designs that play quick as well) - but in general these older historical designed rulesets can be hard to sell, if you are just starting out or used to modern styled games. As you correctly stated, there is nothing innovative here but they have combined some of the better aspects of some edition and GW games. The fluff and hype might be enough to overcome it at first and then I think people are going to hit the next hurdle - competitive Old World. Maybe the community will do enough to balance the game and of course people don't have to play competitively (these big bulky designs often work better in a more collaborative, narrative and beer & pretzel context).

You can still get ahold of it if you want to. And I'm very much yay. I found it hard to get into AoS as much as I enjoy the game on the face of it. And let's be honest this happened because of the commercial success of Total War Warhammer. Much like there is room for Heresy besides 40k there is room for fantasy battle besides AoS. Because not everyone enjoys the over simplification of rules from current 40k and AoS

But us old men have played it. It's the game from our childhood that hasn't had a new edition for over a decade. Of course it sold out.

I would have to see if I like the gameplay before I get into it, also the faction I would want to play is getting no new models so I will probably either proxy or just wait to see if the faction gets added to AOS

You guys should really try the Old World, many of us think that it's GW's best game, and it's what put GW on the map.

Make a rulebook with rules and lore and call it The Rule Book Collectors Edition, pre-orders up for 2 weeks, and everyone with a pre-order gets a copy. When gone, is gone. Make another rulebook, paperback, in A5 format and call it a Rule Book. Normal pre-orders and keep in stock. Around a 20€ price difference between the two books and watch money pouring.

The rules I noticed that they added were drawn from historical wargaming, including Warhammer / Warmaster Ancients, and from Middle Earth SBG. I did like the crunch of WFB / Old World; I just rather play this type of warfare at a smaller scale (10-15 mm models, as was done in Warmaster; or 6-8 mm like with Epic / Legions Imperialis).

My question is who is this game for - it's done away with the traditional starter sets it used to have. I've seen gaming channel bloating the game again to what original killed it (although some channels have scaled back the armies to almost 4/5th Ed sizes. I saw on Batrap and the hero's were equipped with loads of magic items and they criticised 4th and 5th Ed - rolls eyes. I mean nobody has ever said you cannot play the out of date eds I still play 4th and 5th Ed and prefer it over the later versions of the game. Then there are the competitive Meta gamers who (not all) sucked the fun, humour out if the game with Meta lists and condescending attitudes to newer players who either enjoy using different units or army set ups. I don't care about the stats and the Meta I just want to play a game have a laugh regardless on how amazing a unit is or not. I also found that many of the Competitive gamers there armies were just all carbon copies and got really boring to play against seeing the same troops the same tactics - I was never a competitive player tried it once in 7th Ed and it wasn't for me lol. But there were some great players but there were too many that were not.

OPR has supplanted all of the GW games for me. But I’m all for the rerelease of all the out of production stuff, so I can use it for OPR. 😉

Great set of rules. In a world of alternative figure companies and STL files and 3d printers we don't need to give GW a dime. Lets not forget that it was they who strung us along through 8 editions of our game, then killed our game, discontinued our models, then kicked our entire community to the curb. I like what I see in the rules but GW hasn't changed. I'll gladly play it but not buying figures from GW.

Yay? -I have a very very limited pool of players so if I got the chance to play something besides 40K I take it even if it's The Old World. -Its a good reason to finally paint my ~1000 points of Undead/Vampire Counts! -Expanding to 2000 points is easy as there are plenty of affordable and good looking non-GW skeletons that match the look of the skeletons I got in the 90s.

If/when they release the vampire counts box they’ll be taking my money, was my first army years ago and I regret selling it

Well we can't get it anywhere!

Gw releasing the old world , is not about selling miniatures, but about selling paper, and IP . They want to bring "the old world " setting back into the fold to sell books and computer games, and they are doing it with very very limited effort spend on it. I don't care though, i didn't like AOS , and 40k has become a bland ,bloated and confusing mess. So i'm happy to get my old game back :)

I was prepared to be all salty about this video and offer a pro-Old World rant, but I thought this was nicely balanced. For me the hobby is 70% about the lore, and AoS lore is just dreadful so I've never been able to get into it. Old Warhammer coming back is a wonderful revival of a truly great fantasy setting.

AoS is just 40k in a different setting. TOW is the fantasy game we lost and always wantes.

The reception around me and from what I have seen has been fairly positive. The old models are classic and have something special about them that just makes them appealing and timeless. It more normal high fantasy looking than AoS to me.

It's a yay from me played from 3rd till 7th, so im all in again.

Nay- I’d rather just play 4th through 6th and not drop £500+ on rebasing everything. (I did buy the rule book, was unimpressed)

Buy the rules, buy highland miniatures.

The pre-sales? It's unlikely GW made that many boxes so of course it's sold out. Like the new Epic game that sold out quickly but... hardly anyone is playing it. Some stores got 3-4 boxes of Old World (each kit) to sell.. of course it sold out. Doesn't mean it's popular. There will be very few new players coming to The Old World. Which is a shame, but probably by design. Old World is not designed to "bring back Warhammer" as much as to fleece the older WFB whales who won't be interested in a few more years due to age and life commitments. Gonna get them asap. It's certainly not designed to entertain those 10,000s and 10,000s of Total War fans who will take one look at the models, prices and rules and walk away. If you don't attack GW on price and moan then GW will never learn. If you're not attacking GW on the price then that means less people entering the hobby. GW isn't an expensive hobby, it's quite cheap if you look at the alternatives, but GW choose to make it expensive: and there was a sweet spot of 3-4 years just as AoS dropped when it WASNT' expensive, GW made it very affordable before reverting back to their old - disgusting - ways and hitting you with multiple price hikes every year, as was the norm in the 2000s.

I can see the Bloat returning and the other negative aspects which killed it originally. Also if there is nothing new to the rule set or mechanics just play an older edition and have the same level of fun without burning the wallet? The old 90s metal minis oh I remember them and the nightmare of putting them together and praying they will stick only for a part to just drop off 😂. The annoying thing was there were only 5-6 parts to glue most of the time sometimes less but always a pain in the Arse 😂.

Guys, awesome video, I will always love the old world but I would say also try kings of war for an alternate great rank and flank game its quick to play, and the kings of war ambush game is brilliant.

I would prefer the rank and flank rules from one page rules any day of the week. So, will use lore and models from tow but will never go back to this monstrous rule set. Remembering the rules discussions from back in the day still gives me ptsd.

Good lord complaining because the rule book has some fluff.

Big yay

It’s a Nay for me I like new shiny stuff and this is far from that at the moment

Nay! because the fans kept the olde world alive anyway - The ninth age etc - although Grandma Wendy sent someone a Cease and Desist not that long ago for keeping the game alive. Then as you mentioned Conquest / Kings of War / Warmaster Revolution and others have scratched that 'rank and file' itch far better. The various rules committees have worked on game play and balance in a way GW never is really on top of nor seems to care about. Just look at some of the imbalance within Underworlds. When was the last time that Mollog dared to awake from his cave after being errataed to death?

Nay

Zero stock as they made 5 boxes worldwide. Can’t even buy the books aside from some expensive PDF. It’s insanity I’m fairly certain they have no interest in this side project of theirs

Nay

Nay