"'Come on, men! Do you want to live forever!' The noncom in charge of the squad must have been on something, I thought. Nobody spoke like that outside of badly-written combat novels." From Ciaphas Cain book series.

Event Horizon: Last technology unlocked: Warp Drives To do:Gellar fields

Fun Fact, The "the infantry made me what I am today" Veteran with no legs, is straight out of the books, if I remember right they meet him again with robot legs where he admits that they put him as the receptionist to scare people away from the military, so that only people who really want to join go in.

God emperor Leto is the classic “I became the horrible villain so people would learn to overthrow the villain”

Dune is the only context in which the question "Would you still love me if I was a worm?" makes perfect sense for a character to ask. (Well, I guess that and Animorphs.)

I like how the hell divers dreadnoughts are basically 40k dreadnoughts with how they move about and fire about being absolute units

“It sounds like the guy who wrote the film wanted to take the piss out of the guy who wrote the book” that is exactly what happened

I'd add Annihilation as a sort-of Tzeentch movie, with things changing in ways that just make no sense

To elaborate on God Emperor of dune (and Children of Dune as well) Leto II who would become the god emperor was forced to awaken his prescient powers to the greatest possible degree. What he saw when he looked into the future was human extinction along every path but one. He looked at infinity and saw one chance for the human species to survive. That chance is the golden path. He recognized that if he could make a certain set of possibilities happen he would create a future in which the human species was impossible to extinguish. So, Leto made himself into a tyrant to teach humanity a lesson "that their bones will remember", and this was a Christ like sacrifice for him because Leto himself was one of the nicest most honorable men to ever live. He spent thousands of years forcing himself to be as ruthless and authoritarian as possible in order to teach humanity the lesson they needed, hating every second of it. Like a parent who knows they're hurting their child's feelings in the moment because they have to teach them a vital lesson about something no matter how hard it is for them to do it. Humanity was Leto's child, he had to make them grow up and face the universe as a mature species, and he killed everything outwardly good and loving about himself to do it.

Something I didn't hear them talk about: Dune also has possession! Remember that Baron Harkonnen passed his personality down to Alia through genetics, and she ended up going insane. She was called an "Abomination" for a reason.

If I’m not mistaken, The Starship Trooper book was the origination of the concept of power armor.

Tbf, a big reason 40k has a lot of 2000AD stuff in it is cause, over time, they just straight up got everyone they could from 2000AD to write their novels and draw their stuff. Like, Dan Abnett is a big example of that. Dude is an amazing writer, but he brought in a lot of his 2000AD work into 40k, and then took his 40k work and put it into Marvel. Annihilation all the way up to Thanos Imperative is just straight up 40k with superheroes. He, Andy Lanning and Keith Giffen turned Annihilus into a Tyrannid God and Phyla into Saint Celestine (like, Phyla STRAIGHT UP looks like a Sister of Battle, too, and her superhero name is MARTYR. Like, HELLO!?). I feel like people upset at 40k taking stuff from 2000AD need to realize that they’re basically worked on by almost the same writers and artists.

"Where we're going, we won't need eyes to see" - Dr. Weir after becoming one of the first humans ever to receive the blessings of the Dark Gods

A few more little tidbits about 'Event Horizon': The blood orgy scene was cut up to hell. There was supposedly another 20 minutes or so of footage cut from the movie that's still to see the light of day. The director hired porn stars and amputees to make the sex and mutilations more convincing and realistic. Among the stuff that was cut was a scene where a man crawls across the deck while people hack at his legs with tools and knives until his legs come off, or there was a scene where a woman is strapped down and someone takes a power drill to her teeth. The scenes were shown to the original test audiences and half of them fainted and/or vomited in disgust. Nobody knows where the extra footage is or who has hold of it. Also if you look at the interior of the ship, look at the architecture and take note of all the gothic arches, and the closer you get to the core it looks more and more like a cathedral than a space ship. And we cannot forget Dr. Weir's amazing line; "Where we're going, we won't need eyes to see..."

"The End and the Death is literally the Siege of Terra basically and it's three books." Ohh Bricky, no The End and the Death is three books about Horus vs the Emperor. There's like 10 books in the Siege of Terra.

Helldivers 2 has a damn Boxnaught in it basically. And also what feels like ironhands lookin lads.

The level of power Paul, and by extension Leto II, had with their prescience can not be understated. Thanks to being able to see past and future from almost being the Kwisatz Haderach, plus being trained as a Mentat to have a mind that can organize all that information, led to near omnipotence. The man loses his vision and still knows where everyone is and what everyone is doing just about everywhere (excluding other near-Haderachs and Navigators, though he could usually figure it out from seeing whats "missing" from his prescience). Dune Messiah was such a fun read because you would read through several chapters of top-tier assassins perfecting every step of the infiltration and fooling even Paul's inner circle... Only to have a Paul chapter where he thinks "Right, guess its time for my meeting with the assassin."

The Black Templars battle cry is taken from Terminator "That Terminator is out there. It can't be bargained with, it can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel PITY, or REMORSE, or FEAR..." NO PITY! NO REMORSE! NO FEAR!

"We're leaving." - Perturabo

Seriously does no one on earth remember Micheal Moorcock? Eight pointed Star of Chaos? A cosmic battle between demonic forces of chaos and Order? Who's protagonist had the battle cry "Blood and Souls!"

Dune gets a lot of attention as a background for 40k, but people forget the timeline is almost a copy paste of the foundation series. In the year 50k a galactic Empire is on the verge of collapse due to bureaucratic incompetence and regressing technology. A patriarchal figure with prophetic knowledge lays the foundation of a new empire to rise from the following age of strife. He manipulates the development of a neighboring planet to give rise to a cult of machine worshippers and convinces them he is their messiah. This new Empire expands outward through the galaxy using merchant fleets of rogue traders to establish trade routes and incorporate new planets. There's even a recurring theme about how his prophecy being based on normal human behavior.and since it's the only hope for humanity, deviation (heresy), along with mutants and aliens are it's greatest threat

Foundation is also a huge influence. It was the first major book series to have a far flung future with a decaying galactic empire.

Guys, you need to add "Foundation" into the conversation. The technological regression is a massive part of the book series and the mould for the Mechanicus and Rogue Traders are definetly taken from there as well. If Dune is the father of all Sci-Fi then Foundation is the grandfather.

The thing about dune's god emperor is that he is right in a way. He is worse than the Emperor, but saw the entire future of humanity before him and he saw there was no chance for surviving whats to come unless he follows the golden path. Paul is to afraid to do it and that leads to the genocide of tens of billions and almost dooms humanity. Leto sees that the enslavement of trillions would grow hatred agains him and his rule, but that would ultimately help humanity by spreading the prescience gene. We actually kind of see the danger that's coming in the last pages of the last book, but Herbert died before starting book 7 so we are mostly left in the air to what happens and if Leto was right or wrong

From what I understood of Heinlein, Starship Troopers (the book) is basically his Atlas Shrugged. It's not really written as a sci fi novel to begin with, it's literally him just going "If I wanted to set up an utopian government, this is what I would do! Look, now it's under attack from aliens and it still works so well!" His point is that because influence on the political machine is such a big responsibility, everyone who wants to vote or (Gods forbid) hold office, should need to prove to the state that they are willing to sacrifice in order to get such power. It's not just military service, you can basically choose any awful job that no sane individual would ever want to do and if you do your allotted time, you get to be a citizen. These are the "meant to be awful" kind of jobs on the level of "clean the sewers of the local meat processing factory for the allotted number of years using only a toothbrush, and no food unless you finish your quota, you can quit whenever you like."

My favorite Dune ripoff from 40K is the fact that the Tleilaxu Axlotl Tanks may have been the inspiration for the Daemonculaba

When I clicked on the video and saw it was 1:20 I was like “what? How is it this long?” And then I realized it’s a Keiroth episode and I was like “oooohhhh that’s why”

Bricky said “Ayn Rand” and I definitely thought he said “Angron” 😂

50:37 the author had been dead for 10 years before the film came out the filmmaker hated the politics of the book so he made it a satire of the books politics which is why it’s so goofy

Please please please somebody talk about Michael Moorcock 's books, so much of chaos was taken straight from his pages.

Reminder that 40K started as a joke spin-off of a fantasy game

Regarding Starship Troopers, Heinlein wrote that shortly after attempting to publish an article (Who Are the Heirs of Patrick Henry?) decrying the US's plans to scale back nuclear testing after the literal and figurative fallout of the Bikini Atoll. He viewed the government existing for the military defense of its people first, foremost, and without any compromise to civilians or the world at large as a cornerstone of the article. The failure to get his article published (because it was just so unhinged) caused him to switch gears and write Starship Troopers to get his thoughts published somehow.

By extension of props, the Armor used in Starship Troopers was used in the filming of Power Rangers Lost Galaxy. Just a fun fact. Also the director of the Starship Troopers movie, didn’t understand the government from the book, so he made them obviously authoritarian, and satirical.

Mutant Chronicles, where the guard open the a portal to chaos because of all the 'blood sacrifices' during WW1.

Who ripped off who? Not sure, but who did Games Workshop ripoff? I feel there would be a shorter list of who they didnt ripoff lol.

You comment that Heinlein hated the Starship Troopers movie, but Heinlein died in '88, 9 years before the movie was made.

When they made the first Starship Troopers movie there was a HUGE budgetary issues. They did not have the money to do the Arachnid and the M.I. Power Armor. So the film maker decided to spend the budget on the bugs and then just had regular infantry. I saw the interview with the film maker. I was a fan of book Starship Troopers for years and years before the movie. The Power Armor in Starship Troopers deployed from orbit is individual capsules. Only two or three squads of 10 to 12 troopers were deployed to handle an entire operation. The Power Armor even carried tactical nukes (like 100 yards blast area) which were fired from the back of the armor. Also the primary weapon of the trooper was a flamer. Also there was a "trick" used by the author. The main characters name is Johnny Rico. The author stated the main character was Puerto Rican. The character was named Johnny so no one realized it since it was the 1950s and that was not considered acceptable.

ever since GW started shutting down the fanmade animated projects I've been waiting for someone to do a video like this pointing out just how many IP's GW has ripped off.

Starship Troopers: Tell me you never read the book without telling me you never read the book.

I don't see many people mention Isaac Asimov's Foundation when it comes to 40k inspirations. I might be wrong but I think it's among the earlier depiction of Cult Mechanicus style religion as a tool for conquest and control.

Fun Fact: the book “Starship Troopers” is one of the books on the Commandant of the US Marine Corp recommended reading list.

I thought of aliens when Hicks is yelling "we are leaving"

I haven’t watched this yet, but I’m gonna guess there’s no mention of A Canticle For Leibowitz. The novel that inspired the Adeptus Mechanicus and Brotherhood of Steel. Also not really a direct inspiration, though it did come out first but Boloverse has giant super tanks loaded with guns powered by AI and has many stories of humanity waking up these machines to help them fight off aliens. Again might not be an actual inspiration but definitely similar to Baneblades and Titans with there machine spirits. Especially the Mark XXXIIIs which work basically identically to Titans and there thrones. Even if it’s not 40K, you can just pretend it’s taking place during the Golden Age of Technology and a bit into the start of the Age of Strife.

They were like "We've been talking about Dune too much..." and me as someone who's read God Emperor, I'm like "No, you didn't talk about Dune enough!"

Re: Event Horizon, it was originally meant to be a Hellraiser sequel.

Got you one better, Kirioth. >looks up< "Nope." >locks door

Just reminding everyone that the foundation series from issac azamov is the true foundation of sci fi foundation was published 1951 and dune was 1965

On tonight's episode of the Ridiculous Tour: Bricky recommends a lot of actually quite good books that are very influential in the world of sci fi and you should definitely read some of them. DK makes it clear that he will read none of them And Shy is glaring at anyone talking louder than a whisper because this is a Library, damnit!!! All this to come and more, after the break! My reccomendation is Illium and Olympos by Dan Simmons. If you've ever wondered if the Siege of Troy could be improved by an army of robots, given it a look.

The God Emperor of Dune wasn't just tyrannical. With his worm body he was tyranidal.

If I wasn't bald I would rip my hair out at the clear lack of knowledge for Dune and Starship Troopers, which is weird given they are the main topics, but that's glum "im at work putting up with job shit listening to this" and I sometimes forget this is a convo between pals.

Having a mentat in Fallout makes more sense now lol

As soon as saw that Dune’s god Emperor was a giant manworm I immediately remembered that Grim adventures of Billy and Mandy episode where they looked into the future and it showed Mandy now ruled the world and was giant immortal worm creature and her power coming from cinnamon, a spice. Can’t believe that episode was a big reference to the Dune universe.

Man i understand Kirioth , i too did watch Event Horizon when i was a kid. Watching it at 10 years old IS NOT a nice experience.

51:05 heinlein died before the movie came out

Honestly my favorite thing on that topic is the part of "The Mote in God's Eye"(1974) that has an excerpt about the story "Istvaan Dies" about the Empire of Man bombing a habited planet until everyone on it was dead. I just find that absolutely hilarious, that the idea for that was entirely taken from another book from 13 years before 40K was even a thing

Roll the R a bit stronger in Perkele. It can't be too strongly emphasized. You'll get there, Padawan.

In Dune the context actually had sort-of aliens. The Emperor foresaw a great threat in the future from outside the human Empire, and therefore needed to iron out everything before that transpired. The whole thing revolved around the enemy being super-intelligent and therefore able to see the future by doing super complex calculations, so what You need is humanity to evolve in such a way that is extremely unpredictable, therefore throwing a wrench into the enemy's best asset. At least that's what I remember - it's super convoluted though. Basically the problem of "how do I fight an enemy that can predict my every move in a deterministic world", to which he said "make it not deterministic"

The starship troopers book was awesome! If I remember correctly they had jumppacks as well as the power armour. :)

Great Episode, but you forgot Foundation from Isaac Asimov and how it influenced Warhammer 40k. It even got an Series on Apple.

I am surprised you didn't mention Hellraiser as an influence on Aeldari and particular Drukhari and their Haemonculi.

If you guys want a version of Dune that isn't the 1984 version, and doesn't have the pacing issues of the newest one, sci-fi made Dune and Children of Dune into a miniseries and the director's cut is pretty deece. Children of Dune stars a young James McCavoy. Edit: It should also be noted that the god-emperor that appears in God Emperor of Dune is actually Paul's son Leto. In Children of Dune Paul's son becomes the Kwisatz Haderach by combining his flesh with the sand worms in order to save his people, sees the "golden path" and feels that he is now trapped by it and cannot change it.

OOO! Very close and I think you're right on the quote being the shortest. If it wasn't abbreviated, it would have been tied with, "God is cringe," during the episode of "The Last Church."

49:37 This is why the 1988 Starship Troopers OVA is considered the best adaptation of the book. It has kicks** power armor!

I am so stoked for Warboss book club. Perfect example of when imperial ineptitude at every level meets with the unwavering conviction of orkish willpower.

Honestly, I think you guys overlooked a major influence for Warhammer: Lovecraftian horror.

56:53 in the book bugs know advance space craft engineering and metal trading while in the movie/games the bugs are just population control!

15:00 "To shreds, you say?"

Can we all agree that Kirioth should be a permanent member of the crew and not just on a 12 month probation period. Anyway great work everyone as always and keep it up.

Paul Edward Hoven directed Starship Troopers and he made it as satire of Nazi occupied Holland which he grew up in.

1:55-2:00 He's in the waaaalls, HES IN THE GOD DAMN WALLS!!!!!

For Starship Troopers bugs, they do have FTL spaceships. Books go into it more, but the movie briefly mentions it from what i heard. They are an expansionist race and inhabit other planets. (Plan to rewatch the movie as its been a while, especially with HDII makes me want to watch it again, and will check for myself) As for the "the feel fear" scene. Yeah its goofy to us and how its played out. In context the earth forces were in serious trouble as they were barely hanging in the fight vs the bugs. The fact the brain bug of a hive mind felt fear means that it thinks they, the bugs, are instead the ones in trouble. Which gave the troopers there in that moment a glimps of real hope against the bugs.

A suggestion for a future video: a deep dive into the subfactions of the Radical and Puritan members of the Inquisition.

Another thing star ship troopers might have inspired is inquistors, tell me if this sounds familar "I had to kill them all because their minds could have been corrupted with the taint of the bugs" replace bugs with chaos and suddenly you have an inquisitor

@52:00 Paul verhoven. He grew up in nazi occupied Belgium and did not truck with anything fascist at all. He only read part of the book and said nah I don't like this. So he set out to make the movie as satirical and poking fun at fascism as he could.

I had no idea I needed this episode so badly

I want it to start off like a Inquisitorial informational documentary on the dangers of the warp and the importance of maintaining of minimum of Gallar fields they don't even specify how many they just tell you to keep them up

I love these episodes. Kirioth is such a great addition, and I loved the concept. Part 2 now plz!

Ahhh to be nostalgic for the times when GW would just say you know what go a head and use the old miniatures it's cool.

Starship troopers book was a hero book sort of. It glorified militarism. The movie and the book are two different beasts.

I thought about reading the Horus Heresy, so I did a little research on how many books I would ahve to order. I saw how many there was. Then I saw they get a new Ciapahs Cain omnibus in french, so I've found my next 40K book and screw Horus Heresy XD

I didn't have a dune episode on my ad ric bingo card but I'm here for it and loving it

I've never wanted to well actually them before but as a dune lore lover I cant help it. Also if you don't know dune, spoilers. The Sardaukar were abolished by Leto II after one of the Duncans, as captain, led a revolt against him. The fish speakers replaced the Sardaukar and existed for the vast majority of Leto's rule so he never used the Sardaukar in any real sense since they were loyal to the Corrino family first and only followed Leto for a short time because of Farad'n being the concubine of Ghanima. Also the big difference between Leto and big E is that Leto can actually see the future, not just a vague notion, so his being a tyrant is because he knows it's the only way for humanity to survive and really didn't want to do it since it came at the massive sacrifice of his humanity, both mental and physical, and he knew he would die and live in a permanent state of dreamlike awareness for thousands of years. Like he called Paul a coward for not having the guts to make that sacrifice. He also didn't really rule through bloodshed as much as ironhanded economics. His full spice monopoly meant that military action against him was basically impossible since spice was necessary for all forms of trade and transportation, and again, can see the future. Leto's peace as it was called was just a complete enforcement of the status quo. Travel bans were issued across the empire meaning outside of trade and key individuals you were not allowed to leave the planet you were born on. His goal was to make humanity so bored that they would never again allow a tyrant to rise out of a desire for security or just complacency, and humanity would explode into the universe during the scattering because of thousands of years of enforced confinement.

If you want a interesting zombie movie I can recommend cockneys Vs Zombies, it's like a mix between Shawn of the dead and lock, stock and two smoking barrels.

If Cain ever gets the treatment of saint Celestine, I imagine his personal hell to get ressurected would be something akin to a greeting hall with everyone who followed him praising him and thanking him for his leadership as the hero of the imperium, while he has to walk to the other side of the wall to manifest himself. His stomach dropping for every step he takes, surrounded by the poor fools who still believe him to be a hero, forgetting how his failures caused their deaths.

The Starship Trooper movie has little but the name and bugs in common with the book. The director didn't want to make a Starship Trooper movie, he wanted to make a movie about the Nazi occupation of his home country, the studio MADE him make a Starship Trooper movie so he gave the studio and the books author the middle finger and made a funny silly parody. I feel really bad for the author in the same way I feel bad for the writers of Dreed for the Stallone movie.

The Sam Neil line from Event Horizon that will Forever be burned into my mind, when he’s sitting in the chair and he turns and says “ we don’t need eyes where we’re going “ which is just like a What the fuck line, but also it’s just plain creepy.

Okay I’m so grateful to Kirioth for pointing out the differences between Dune and 40k because I’ve been into both since I was a child and in terms of details, philosophy, theology, scope etc. they are VASTLY different.

Really cozy understair pictures.

49:20 the crippled guy is in the book as well. He misses 3 limbs and has no prosthetics. But when the protagonist stay a bit late into the night, prostetics guy walks past them on some fancy metal legs. He goes: "Oh the cripple thing is just to scare of the kids with weak minds". Generally they don't want everyone to serve, just the most arian people are worthy of a position in the military. There are a lot of facist undertones as well, like the unworthy applicants becoming human lab rats. Also Carl died on Mars. Poor Carl

43:55 Check out the Dominator from Psycho Pass. If you like those guns, you will love this thing.

Fun fact: Johnny Rico in the Starship Troopers book is actually Juan Rico and is Philipino. This is not mentioned until the very end of the book when he speaks a brief line in Tagalog, and one of his subordinates asks what language that was.

I've been listening to Adric nonstop since like last august or september and I have just now caught up with the show and absolutely crushed. I CANNOT WAIT DAYS IN BETWEEN EPISODES WHAT AM I SUPPOSE TO LISTEN TO WHILE DOING CHORES NOW HUH

A Tzeentch movie should be a time paradox of the future crew trying to murder their past selves before they encounter demons of Tzeentch.

Half an hour in and not surprised we're still in Dune. I always saw it like Herbert claiming "Scifi needs to go dark" and GW laughed and said "Hold my beer!" Love them both! About Starship Troopers, I immediately toyed the idea that the asteroid attack was false flag operation, igniting horrible hatred against the bugs.

The warhammer power wash dlc has been so fun

46:20 Note: bio-lock measres on weapons only serve to give power to a swich to unlock a bolt. Tear off the lock, apply a charge to the switch, bolt unlocks.

Huh, that's the first time I've heard "Ayn Rand" be pronounced as "Angron"

Amnesia: The Bunker is HORRIFYING. Managing the dilemma of gas, experimenting with hiding is spine chilling, and holy you have to play as the ultimate terror. The French.

That's why Mandy turned herself into a giant worm in an early episode of the Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy (then known as Grim and Evil). It was a literary reference.

I'm gonna say that I would 💯 be all for the guys just picking a dumb or cool movie to watch and talk about it like they do the book club that was really fun to listen to