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Did you see Liz Amazing, got a cease and assists notice from Lippert. To stop her research, and interviews with clients. They told her she needed to take down her videos. I’m thinking that the manufacturers are trying not to listen. We all need to call them out! Maybe the feds can get involved and regulate the industry standards. Keep up the great investigations. Love the videos.

I think we do need an RV owners association so we can speak as one voice. I think tens of thousands of RVers would join it. RV industry would no longer be able to just ignore us as individuals but something this big could not be ignored.

Putting a 3/8 bolt in a 1/2” hole is just asking for problems. The ability of movement across 8-10 holes with 5 to 10 tons of inertia of starting and stopping and then add the fact that they are not even utilizing all the holes available is criminal. The fact that there is no government agency to check this across the RV industry is scary.

If Winnebago buys Brinkley then I am crossing Brinkley off my list of future purchases. They ruined Grand Design (change my mind) and they will ruin Brinkley.

I’m sitting here at the Elkhart fairgrounds with my appointment for frame flex on my rig tomorrow morning. I drove 2200 miles to get here.

Glad you guys are reporting about the frame failures. Liz Amazing just released her video reporting manufacturer legal pressure exerted on her for reporting frame failures.

We own a 2020 Forest River Impression MPF34MID. Bought it used and haven't slept in it one night. Been dealing with frame failure and frame camber (sag) since we bought it. We were quoted $24,000 to have it repaired and the trailer is not worth it. We have contacted NHTSA and Transport Canada but not enough cases have shown up in Canada for them to deal with it. Glad to see something is happening and we are not alone. Good luck everyone and keep making waves!!

I don’t have an RV however I have been following the posts about GD frame issues for awhile now And I find it amazing that these issues are being ignored…and these folks that pay 100K for these rigs are getting screwed what is going to happen when someone is injured or Killed because a frame fails out on the Highway

My question would be, if Grand design has the ability of camp sights right on campus...why couldn't they put the folks up in an RV right on campus as there units are getting repaired???

Thank you guys for addressing this issue. I am really disappointed in GD at this time in the way they are not adequately responding to their frame problems. I’ve had two GD units with no major problems but I expect them to take care of family. This has caused me to reconsider getting another GD this summer. I’m waiting and watching for their response.

It is not only Grand Design, my rig was returned to the factory and the frame bias as they called it was repaired. Then I put Morryde IS and disk brakes and it seamed ok for now.

See Liz Amazing for the full story on Lippert chassis flawed design.

i delivered 2 Grand Design toy haulers and both failed picked up at factory new and delivered in 5k miles to dealer and both failed .. in 2 different ways then were trying to make me claim them saying i damaged them in a accident .. after proving it with my video logs ... i never went back to company again to deliver there junk again .... i know its not Lippert's fault .. lippert build them to there designs but when Grand Design doesn't tell lippert of changes to frame to do reconstruction on trailer so they can save money ..lippert get blamed for failures when i asked the company when was the last time you do full road tests on your new designed trailers ,, he said they dont ... its been about 9 designs ago that 9 yrs

If frame failure is 1/2 or 1% why isn’t Grand Design taking care of it. If the percentage is small, then the repair should be very manageable.

I had some contact with another GD owner with a serious problem with frame flex/failure and questioned the weight of his rig, curious about the loading more than anything. He replied that it came to question to him and since he had someone that wanted his RV, as is, he totally unloaded it including the washer and dryer that he had installed. It was totally empty as would have come from the manufacturer and it scaled about 17,450 which is approximately 1200# above the sticker weight. This would leave very little to be able to load before being over max weight. This would indicate that GD overloaded the design and probably the frame design also. This is something to seriously consider and to check.

Thank you for covering this issue!!!

An NDA is the normal to make sure you have no idea how good a deal someone else got. So they can try to pay as little as they can to whoever they can't shut up.

Thank you for the very informative discussion! Hopefully problems with these frame failures will be fixed!

Grand design = Grand deception. So glad this all got brought to light prior to my purchase of a rv. I'll never buy anything from grand design.

This mess is appearing to be so bad that Lippert and trailer makers can't bare to contemplate how big this mess is. As an engineer occasionally during my career, I have cited the existential risk that non-robust design can subject a company (and end customers) to. It is always better to be that company where people say; "Their stuff is bullet proof." THAT gives the company pricing power so they don't have to live in the gutter with the bottom feeders.

I’d like to get the independent suspension but I’m told that it’s a one year waitlist. They need more capacity.

"Frame Flex" has prevented me from purchasing a new toy hauler at the Monroe RV show. My question is, how many other of the "top tier" fifth wheel brands are affected by this? I want a toy hauler. Momentum 399th (or 376th) WAS top of the list. Also considering a Jayco North Point 382FLRB or a Jayco Pinnacle 38FBRK. But I don't think I'm buying ANYTHING until the RV industry as a whole can resolve the "frame flex" issue.

Thanks for the video! We have a video we will be dropping this weekend most likely that will have info on our Winnebago travato fire (total loss) that will definitely tie into all this.

Great video!! Thank you both for doing this!! When I first discovered our frame was starting to fail 1.4 years ago it was so infuriating and I felt like Grand Design/Lippert very much had the upper hand. Because of guys like you I feel Grand Design/Lippert are starting to listen, if not they soon will be.

Thanks for being on Pete :)

Hi Everyone, This is Nate Goldenberg one of the owners of Brinkley. I'm not sure anyone will see this, but I have to comment based on what was said here. Brinkley is not being sold to Winnebago or anyone else. There's never even been a conversation about it, and there's no one in our ownership group who wants to sell. We have zero interest. This is not a real thing; it's a rumor started by Forest River. Our competitors pray every night we will sell, but we're not going to. In 10, 15, 20 years, maybe it's a different story, but not today or anything soon. What's probably more likely is we get the next generation involved and keep it in the family. There are 13 kids between the owners. I'm sure someone will have some interest. Part of what makes Brinkley strong is being private and not having outside influences. So, there you have it for anyone online claiming to spread the truth. I hope you can talk about this too! It's from a pretty good source. All the best!

There's a whole lot of shaking going on.... Goodness gracious Great balls of fire....😮

This is a Grand Design engineering problem. They send the frame specs to Lippert and those specs call for the wrong frame for the trailer

Look at paving new paths !! They bought a rv that was only 9 months old. ! A second owner has no warranty!! On anything…

I don't believe it's just Grand Design.I have an Alpine trying to get it looked at

If you own one of these RVS like I did. Trade it in for a Brinkley before your RV loses all it value.. Brinkley made me a great deal... Move fast....

I hope that they do something as confident is getting lower with this. Good luck to all, and I hope for a good result from this situation.

We were considering getting a larger RV, possibly a Grand Design, to replace our small 24-26ish foot RV. Then hubby's cancer returned + covid hit the country. So we stayed put & decided to wait on a new RV. We're so so SO glad we did & also glad we don't have & didn't purchase a Grand Design (or any other) new RV. Glad you & Liz Amazing are covering this story. And maybe it's (past) time to bring this story to Mayor Pete as Secretary of Transportation & his department so they can start regulating RVs like they do vehicles & begin forcing RV manufacturers to start issuing safety recall notices - immediately, for safety of the RV owners & for safety of other drivers out there on the roads.🙏🏼.

This is so sad 😢

Tom, have you spoken with HBRV. He has been an outspoken critic of GD and the horrible PR policies they are invoking. He is taking info on FF and has hard numbers on which RV's and model years that are having frame issues. Between you ,Pete and HBRV, I believe you can make a difference. Thanks for your time informing potential RV buyers on what is going on in the industry.

This is my take on the entire situation, Grand Design sold everyone on their brand being Full-time capable and the masses fell for it including me. So you have a majority of full time RV'ers that travel in their fifth wheel full time and are finding out that they just aren't built to handle that kind of abuse. The people who claim that they have no issues are either stationary, part time or weekend warriors. That or they just don't realize that they have problems but haven't put two and two together. I've had our unit repaired in Elkhart, the crack came back in less that 500 miles. It's currently back in Elkhart awaiting repairs. It's unfortunate that Grand Design isn't coming to the forefront and owning up to the failures. It took me over 2 years and 5K to get Grand Design to finally address my problem, we really enjoy our RV and we travel extensively in it. Don't think I would buy another one.

Thank you for correcting the labels. Lippert is the manufacturer and GD, or whoever is just the builder. Just like cars in 1900. They did not build the body of the cars, just the frame and drivetrain.

It’s amazing to me how many major you tube channels that had grand design RVs ! That don’t today they moved on !! Don’t say anything!,! Got a new rv. Not a grand design…. That says a lot !

Rv industry needs to be regulated. Look at the contract they have you sign. It basically takes your rights away

You should be not only reimbursed for your hotel, but travel expenses, and I also feel they should pay for your time lost for the 2-3 weeks that they have your unit. If their shop rate is say $125 as an example they should pay that at a minimum of 8 hours a day. Wear and tear on your tow vehicle, etc....

Hey everyone, Micah, one of our 5 owners commented on the podcast that was posted and removed with allegations of us selling. Below was his response. Hello this is Micah Staley, one of the five owners at Brinkley. I'm here to tell you this is ABSOLUTELY not true. I can speak for myself and the four other owners. Thank you.

I watched Liz Amazing too, and I’m not an RV wannabe anymore. Good luck to everyone. I hope things work(ed) out.

Is this onlyaffecting 5th wheels? I have a 29G toy hauler on order 😢

We have a 19 momentum 376th and have no signs of frame failure yet I do not have a Facebook page but wife does send me link to the Facebook page and I will have her join your page for Frame failure to stay informed and help our gd family

Kinda tired hearing about this frame flex. Waiting for some adventures.

I’m not hearing what your endgame is with grand design and or lippert tom. I’m so glad I don’t own a GD. But as far as I’m concerned I wish everyone would stop complaining about GD and lippert and simply stop buying their products. Let’s just put them out of business and it’ll make way for trustworthy manufacturers.

Anyone know what years we are talking about ..How can we identify the concerned units

10 minutes into video I'm not sure what you are alluding too? Is it that Brinkley is going to have the same frame failure issue or is it something else. Sorry, I don't want to muddy the waters, but I would like clarification. Thanks

After researching every single brand there is not a single unit with a proper frame. So I decided to update and refurb my 2011 trailer that was already fixed with 2000 pounds of steel. Lippert is horrible, and it is not just frames.

i delivered for Brinkley rv they make there own frames everything is in house never had issues very well built imo

It is fortunate that no one seems to have been physically hurt. Tangentially, unfortunate because the NHTSA would get more involved.

Liz Amazing got a letter to take her video's down about the frames on their trailers ASAP or

Northwoods RV and outdoors RV build their own frames in house. And they are stout.

You know, people can say what they want about class C and A motorized rv's, but I'd go with those ANYDAY over any kind of trailer. I've owned both, and there is a world of maintenance differences. The motorized coaches haven't given me even half the problems that trailers have. But regardless, the entire industry SERIOUSLY needs some federal oversight. Cars, planes, houses, and almost all other consumer products have it. This is getting ridiculous, all the issues popping up with ALL new rv's.

Is there a way to reach the Wests without Facebook?

How about digging into this one. Grand design introduces their influence line adds $20,000 to the price of the floorplan from similar solitude models, and is that what’s being used to pay for the frame failures of others? Why anyone in their right mind would shill for them or buy a grand design RV at this point is absolutely the definition of a bad decision.

Willful negligence. GD will file bankruptcy when this lawsuit goes thru.

Lippert has their shills on You Tube. One in particular has a channel on trucks and trailers. He's interviewed engineers at Lippert and agrees with them all the way! He talks a big game but if you read between the lines you can tell he's biased. I'm not sure if he talked with GD , I stopped watching. If people don't think things can be engineered properly, think about the reliability of transcontinental airline turbine engines.

Its not just Grand Disaster its all the ones using the Lippert frames on their RVs That were built using thin steel and welded by amateurs

It seems GrandDesign is more interested in investing in a bigger broom and a bigger rug.

why can I NOT find his Group ( GRAND DESIGN RY MAJOR ISSUES ) on You Tube?

Of course the problem with these trailers can't possibly come from them being overloaded and driven 60-70 mph when on a road that should be driven 40mph max if at all. I see this happen all the time on roads along the west coast of Washington. Too, many people pulling these rigs have no regard

They not Just grand design but all these manufacturers having frame flex frame failure issues need to be forced by the federal government to make this right and make them safe! Not just for the RV owners but for the general public safety period!!!... An owner may not know they are having frame flex or that the rig was manufactured and assembled with weaker steel poor or bad weld the wrong size and even totally missing lag screws and it could cause someone else whom isn't even an RV owner or Rv family member serious injury and possibly even death!!!... The NTSA makes sure cars and trucks and Semis and Motorhomes all pass to a certain quality from manufacturers for a reason Public Safety It's high time our Government step in and makes All Towables also conform to true and stringent safety standard, and not just towable Rvs but utility and cargo trailers boat trailers etc all the way through the towable or towed industry

I looked for the Facebook page but it doesn’t show up

Winabago needs to pick up the rv’s & take them back to the factory for service not the owner

I have a 2023 Grand Design Solitude that does not yet have frame failure. But I am not going to lie we are afraid to tow it for fear of frame failing!

It’s all about trying to keep the weight down. Beefier frame more weight. If you put a fastener in every hole more weight. Someone who signed a NDA is now talking, he is not happy.

NHTSA anyone? Curious what Grand Design will be named after the re-branding after all this?

Question. Does Grand Design make their own frames? I was under the impression that, "Most", frames were made by only a handful of companies. So the question, is Grand Design the only comp. That has issues? Seems like that would be strange.

Tom what is Pete blog, thx

Be careful what you say about the leopard frames Liz amazing had a cease and desist order

When you say Winnebago you said a mouthful. They have had a lot of roof failures on their motorhomes. Not a fan of anything that has Winnebago on the label.

Grand Design and other companies may be thinking that the people may be overloading their trailers and they drive them off road and bounce them up and down on those unpaved roads in the wilderness. Have to be sure the customer owners haven't csused those things to happen. Some people buy them and drive to their trailer park or homesite and park them for life. Then they brace the slide when open so it can't sag over time and even put on the siding and leave them open all enclosed. Perhaps they aren't meant to be on the road with the road warriors..???!!!

Lippert receives the frame orders and specs from each the manufacturer. So this is mostly on the RV builder. Lippert does have their part of blame as well

The numbers would be way higher if most of the RVs where actually used 6 months out of the year !! Most RVs get towed a month a year !

Did you see Greg’s ( cruzin with the Carson’s) last post (I know you did Paul )

I know some got paid more than they paid for their rv to not say anything!

Toms zoning out during this call….

Well I wonder how much the value of my Grand Design is now, my guess not much!

Follow the money.

Rv life is stressful……..looking for another retirement vehicle.

anyone who buys ANY RV using Limpet frames coming from these manufacturers, will get exactly what they deserve... stuck along the road with a broken frame that can't be towed... with the joy of paying for it... So dont like that kind of ADVENTURE?... ok, just close yer eyes and say it doesnt exist...😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉. folks got yer head in the sand much?... huh? enjoy the journey

where is the steel coming from dont kill me for asking is it from China and if it is where did they get it from .

I realized 14 and a half minutes in this content was all gossip and commercials to boost your view hours and monetization. i put you in the same category as Lippert, Winnebago, Forest River, Thor and Grand Design as RV owner predators with a fake smile and shady agenda.

I cant believe the mess GD created by telling customers to go screw

They will end up squeezing Brinkley for every dollar, everything will be an optional

Grand design advertising their rigs are a full time option!

I’d expect a cease and desist from GD, Lippert, Winnie, or a combo of any. They’re bullies. They have no legal standing with their bullying… it’s all bravado. I will NEVER buy a GD product or any RV with a Lippert frame. EVER.

I wonder if all the manufacturer's are using recycled steel?

need bigger lawyers to class action - it will take many years to get money.. but it should cause them to stop making weak lame frames

These frames are going to keep braking! Fix in one spot and will brake 2 inches or so past it. Will be cracking FOREVER. And they know it !!!

Why why why do potential or existing RVERS continue to purchase these 5th wheels?? Especially those using Lippert frames. Have to say this, " more money than commonsense!" Yet dealers continue to sell them! So bottom line its all about $$$$$$

This was a April fools joke and the Brinkley Owner s said absolutely not

I was watching a video on KZ manufacturing. They make their own frames and they bolt them not this penny wielding stuff.

Can’t you people who have this issue get together and contact the attorney general of the manufacturing state it’s their job to make flawed products get corrected

The survey tells a lot. First, that he could only find 68 people who have frame issues. Second, a third of the people never weighed their rig nor do they know if they are overweight. Third, that 46 out of 68 have trailers made during covid. This doesn't confirm the story that these KZfaqrs are complaining about. Also, people who buy a $100K trailer along with a 1 ton $80K truck should be able to afford a few weeks in a motel. If not, they shouldn't be RVing. Having said that, GD should protect the company by taking care of the small number of owners with issues.

I have no vested interest in this directly but I do own a 5th wheel from another manufacturer without an issue.. do you realize that Grand Design is the manufacturer not Lippert. Lippert is a subcontractor who build frames to Grand Design specs… if the specs are not correct then the company who created the spec is responsible not the company that built to the spec. Until you have a certified welding inspector inspect and X-ray the weld you don’t know if it’s good or bad… sloppy welds don’t mean they are not good enough… or don’t have strength.. I’ve seen beautiful welds break apart under load and sloppy welds hold. Not saying there are not issues.. just saying you maybe throwing stones at the wrong house…maybe not… but this is clickbait..

This will only take one accident.

Grand Design is going to take a major hit on sales due to this. The new GDs are junk. Lipstick on a pig.