Larger balance wheels have more inertia and therefore better stability. Why is it so few use the larger balances and lower frequencies?
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@wristray87753 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the basics. Love those watches with 1Hz Movements! Balance wheel big as the case back.
@watchartsci3 жыл бұрын
I might even go for a key-wound watch to make room for a bigger balance wheel, MW! Take care and stay safe, Bill😷
@blueshirtbuddah16655 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video Bill. I really enjoy when you explain the in depth workings of various movements. You have a wonderful ability of putting things into layman’s terms. Hope your doing a live stream later.
@watchartsci5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bruce! I do welcome corrections from watchmakers and physicists who can set right any screw-ups I've made, however! Cheers, Bill
@ForbinColossus5 жыл бұрын
Bill, you dont get enough credit for your presentation. I appreciate the split screen view to see what you're talking about. Merry, Merry ~~~
@watchartsci5 жыл бұрын
Hey FC, thanks man! (BTW, I did look up Forbin Colossus! Cool.) Kindest regards, Bill
@eneskatar8094 Жыл бұрын
I think another reason why bigger inertia balance wheel not used much is Newtons 1st law (I dont like terms that much, but somwtimes makes easier the things to tell) that an object will want to remain same. Imagine you rotate (and accelerate) the watch in 1 direction (imagine you're looking at the dial, and you rotate the watch in clockwise direction with acceleration), while the small/lighter balance wheel would be easier to keep aligned with the watch, bigger/heavier balance wheel wouldn't be as easier as the lightweight/small one and would take longer time for heavier one to get its balance.
@watchartsci Жыл бұрын
I see your point Enes. That's why I like the lower frequencies; much easier to reverse directions, especially with nice big balance wheels. Take care, Bill
@eneskatar8094 Жыл бұрын
Hmm, right. Very interesting, and quite complicated subject, but also I gotta admit that if the reliability in long term is not an issue, having few seconds missing daily for faster balance wheel wouldnt be a problem for me 😁. Maybe I get grow up in time though, who knows 😂. Thank you for your response Bill, I really appreciate it, and love to watch you videos
@dreamst5 жыл бұрын
Strong work Bill!😁
@watchartsci5 жыл бұрын
Hey Mark, Thanks man! Cheers, Bill
@jovanjovanovic76105 жыл бұрын
Just stumbled across this video, and I really like it man, it's really educational and it's touching subject that is very complicated and interesting. Thanks Bill, cheers!
@watchartsci5 жыл бұрын
My pleasure Jovan! It started with an inquiry with why the top watchmakers used 2.5Hz instead of 4Hz. Here's another video along the same lines ... interviews with Marco Lang, Kari Voutilainen and others. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hL5pqbSDqMXMmGg.html Cheers, Bill
@billcosgrave62325 жыл бұрын
Great topic. I will need to do more research.
@watchartsci5 жыл бұрын
Hey Bill, thanks, and be sure to share what you get from your research! Kindest regards, Bill
@fkurcik5 жыл бұрын
I was trying to refresh my memory about this topic and I realized the mathematics of harmonic oscillators is advanced....anglular frequency, phase shift, amplitude, period, dampig... that's not your daily stuff unless you work in this field.
@watchartsci5 жыл бұрын
Yes, Frantisek, I noticed that too. More interesting stuff to dig into! Watch collection, the gift that keeps on giving! Cheers, Bill
@matthewhoover61544 жыл бұрын
nice looking movement in the picture.
@watchartsci4 жыл бұрын
Hey Matthew, love those big balances! Cheers, Bill
@digggert5 жыл бұрын
I too noticed that getting into this topic is hard because of the fact that it is hard to define what it means to have a good oscillator on a wristwatch. There is the physical term of quality factor which gives proper answers leaving aside outside disturbances. Once you bring in shocks and such, it becomes a complex problem.
@digggert5 жыл бұрын
There's a very good article by Ryan Schmidt on Quill and Pad called "the truth about high frequency movements"
@watchartsci5 жыл бұрын
Hi Diggert, I'm familiar with Ryan's article, but my query was a bit different. The question I had was based on the observation that the top independent watchmakers and other top horology creators use the lower frequency. If they're the best, why would they all use a rate lower than 4Hz and so many of the others use 4Hz as the 'standard?' Kindest regards, Bill
@EagleTrue2 жыл бұрын
What give the initial pulsion to the balance wheel ? Is it the movements of the wrist ?
@watchartsci2 жыл бұрын
Eagle, usually the force from the mainspring and the kick by the hairspring, but if my watches are slow to start... a little tap will suffice. Wake up! Time to tick! Take care, Bill
@Deusmecumest5 жыл бұрын
Very informative. Besides exeptional horology or the higher end brands are there any strong or standard horology brands using large balance wheels? Or as some have comented how do you avoid the slow sweeping seconds problem that most of us try to steer clear of?
@watchartsci5 жыл бұрын
Calo, that's a good question! Kari Voutilainen was the only one I found who specified the width of his balance wheel..something like 13mm. Others had the width of their movement by not balance wheel. I'm going to get out my calipers and check some of my own movements and see what I can find. Let me know if you can find any published measurement of balance wheels in watches. Thanks, Bill
@southnc635 жыл бұрын
For time itself, it probably is irrelevant, as long as the quality & setting precision has been done well. However, for a chronograph, the lower frequency will reduce granularity and how accurately you can measure. Good topic, Bill. Thanks.
@watchartsci5 жыл бұрын
southnc63 Good point ‘63...higher for chronographs lower for chronometers...
@stevep43845 жыл бұрын
You mean "increase granularity", granularity being undesirable.
@southnc635 жыл бұрын
@@stevep4384 "The level of detail considered in a model or decision making process. The greater the granularity, the deeper the level of detail. Granularity is usually used to characterize the scale or level of detail in a set of data". So, I'm trying to show you can measure much more precisely with higher precision, because of increased frequency. Read more: www.businessdictionary.com/definition/granularity.html
@stevep43845 жыл бұрын
@@southnc63 Oh yes, you're quite right, thanks.
@andy52625 жыл бұрын
At 11:25, 21,6k vph is 3Hz not 26,6k no?
@watchartsci5 жыл бұрын
Sorry Andy, got them goofed up: 14,400 bph = 4 beats per second 18,000 bph = 5 beats per second (2.5Hz) 21,600 bph = 6 beats per second (3Hz) 28,800 bph = 8 beats per second (4Hz) 36,600 bph = 10 beats per second Mea culpa...Cheers, Bill
@andy52625 жыл бұрын
@@watchartsci Excellent thanks!!
@algorithm007ify5 жыл бұрын
@@watchartsci The AP Jules Audemars 15180OR.OO.A088CR.01 uses a 19,800 bph movement which is 2.75Hz or 5.5 beats per second...there is also the Omega co-axials at 25200 bph... two oddballs in terms of frequency
@washingtonfootballfanwgil83925 жыл бұрын
Bill, Is there a relationship between the VPH and the sweep of the seconds hand? Watch Geek has a video titled: "Watch Beat Rates Compared"
@watchartsci5 жыл бұрын
Hey RP, I don't believe so. If jumping seconds are added, they too can be done with different vph. I'll check out the WG vid. Thanks, Bill
Hi FB, that's exactly the kind of stability the larger balance wheel provides. Thanks! Bill
@ivanhorvat30995 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Not exactly accurate, but at least somebody is not advocating the higher beats...
@watchartsci5 жыл бұрын
Ivan, so help out here. What wasn't exactly accurate and what would be? What do you think is the ideal frequency? Thanks, Bill
@NowshedImran4 жыл бұрын
Throwing Kari Voutilainen at the beginning of the video is not good for the heart of feeble viewers. Loved the video though!
@watchartsci4 жыл бұрын
Well, Nowshed, since we cannot afford a Kari Voutilainen, we can look for big balances and low frequencies ... like the ETA 6498. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷