thank you!

I have a carver cx and the waterborne surf and rail adapters. I prefer the waterborne to pump. I use the cx to pump and push. If there are significant uphills, I prefer the cx.

Confirm that. To use rail adapter it feel like you ride malibu or surf longboard without the feel is more like shortboard

I can recommend waterborne system for longer wheelbase boards (+19.5"). Only front system if you use shorter wb deck and TKP trucks. TKP´s are my favorit for this system. Waterborne system do not change the orginal wheelbase of deck. Swelltech has the spring system that have poor springs, many of my friends broke them. Remeber to check out that the shape of you board support all these systems. All surfskate systems are their own and have some best points. There are no "simply the best system" in market. For surf skateing all works. If you want to go a ride bowls then Swelltech is not the easiest. I have never tested waterborne skatebords carbon completes but really want to.

I own a swelltech and it's super fun. The only downside is that the springs on the front truck that allow it's versatility in maneuverability can break. I'm a heavier guy and this happens to me all the in consequence. So if you're lighter guy who surfs and wants to closest thing to surfing, swelltech is a go for sure. If you just want great pumping and carving capabilities, waterborne is by far the better choice!

If you want some of the truest surf movement there are three wheel surf training boards that are almost identical body movements to surfing, only issue is they take a LOT of balance

I just did, works fine but I’m curious to buy it

20" +

I find that as long as the road is wide enough, I can carve switchbacks to control speed. Otherwise I just bomb it straight on, in which case I've yet to get speed wobbles with the adapters. I think that since it's a trailing link that it stays stable at speed, and the rear rail is supposed to actually help as well. That said, I'm not all that great at drifting and sliding as it is and I don't feel confident enough to try with a Surf adapted board, and not sure that'd even be a thing for pros as it's specifically made for cruising and carving.

That is not true cos I have also Icarus + Paris. That board do not turn as well as my Waterborne surf system board same wheelbase.

@@drzilton Maybe it has something to do with my setup? How is yours setup?

I think it is your deck. Too short wheelbase and The concave do not work with narrow stance. Try without rail adapteri and use The risers to The backtruck.

@@drzilton but I don't get it, it says on their website that you can use it on any deck? If I remove the rail adapter won't I even get more wheel bite than what I get now?

@@F1webdesign you technically can use it on pretty much any deck, but the question is: is it optimal on any deck/set up?

I have tried

@@drziltonDid you like the Curfboard? I been riding Curfboard for about 2 years and just put them on my board that is a lot like yours and I love them even more.I had the Waterborne on the same board and it was a lot harder to pump and carve. Are you still riding the same board with Waterborne adaptor on. I still got the Waterborne Adapter but i am having so much fun with the Curfboard on my 42in longboard.

@@elielstarbright I prefer waterborne all boards under 38" The boards at video are 33" and 38" if The board is between 35-38" I use rail adapter on back truck.

@@drzilton Mahalo for your feed back. After watching you skateboard it inspired me try the waterborne again so I just order the back adapter. Now to find the right board for them.

tkp trucks: flat under the barrel bushings and cone + cupped

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In general surf skating and carving do not mean bombing hills. You can put this system to your Dh deck and carve down The Hills or surfskate The asphalt wave.

In my experience with the front adapter on a normal 31" street deck (14" WB), is bombing hills feels like snowboarding, where you're unstable in a straight line, but stable when carving between toe and heel edge. I just ordered a board with 17.5" wheelbase and the rail adapter, hopefully it works!