The boys go on a massive tangent, and Garnt's just locked, loaded, and ready to jump right back into Fate. That's true passion

“I believe paparazzis are below dung beetles on the social hierarchy” probably the best take Grant has ever made

I'm in Japan and had only realized my friend was an otaku 4-5 years since we started hanging out. We'd usually play sports, games and do sht talks. It was when I had off-handedly mentioned a niche anime, when he casually replied, "Yeh I have all the volumes of it" that I found out about his huge collection of manga and amines.

The passion in Connors eyes when he talks about the random shit he thinks about is what drives me to keep thinking of random shit. Passion breeds passion.

I like how shinobu is not sitting in her chair anymore, she's just chillin on the shelf itself

connor might joke about it, but we all know how much he cares about his fans. he even plays games with his fans. love the guy

According to recent research, 94% of British respondents admit to having conversed about the weather in the past six hours, while 38% say they have in the past 60 minutes. “This means at almost any moment in this country, at least a third of the population is either talking about the weather, has already done so or is about to do so.” -BBC

Connor, the haemophiliac: Yeah, I'll box someone for the money.

Ashley is really out here being the real MVP with these coffee runs.

Connor feeling betrayed finding out he's the only trash taste member who reads fan mails 😂

As a Train Otaku myself, who makes videos of trains, I am glad to see that my community is represented and talked about even in a place like Trash Taste.

I don’t even know why I enjoy trash taste so much , it’s just a casual and relaxing thing to watch after a long work week

That meme of the two dudes in garden chairs sitting quietly in front of you guys while you talk is most of us here.

Me: “Can’t wait for the new episode” Title: *We hate our fans* Me: “oh”

My favorite experience in Japan was when we met a group of Pokémon Go players in Nara who were doing a raid. Only one of us spoke Japanese, they didn't speak English, we didn't know the Pokémon names of the other, so we opened the Pokémon wiki and started asking and trading and swapped friend codes. It was so cool, and whenever they send me gifts I think of that magical moment Pokémon brought us together.

The amount of time Pewdiepie/Felix is mentioned in this episode is making me so hyped for when the collab finally happens

"We hate our fans." Not surprising, I do breathe out of my nose after all.

Dear Connor: You’re alright I guess. Signed - a mild appreciator

The biggest problem with "Gatekeeping" is it's kinda like "Toxicity" They're both so poorly defined that it's basically impossible to talk about it.

It still blows my mind that so many Japanese people seem to be unaware of Anime's groundbreaking mainstream popularity in the West, I've talked to Japanese people, mentioned I like anime, only to have them go WHAAAAT way too many times, haha

Lol “those who reply to all their fan mail are psychopaths.” Mr Rogers: that’s not very nice. :(

Felix: I watch trash taste, so I feel like I know them, but I don`t know them at all. Garnt and Connor; Laughing. Joey; .......................................................................................

2:04:08 Hi, therapist here who also happens to have an entire room dedicated to a single series. A good rule of thumb answer to "is this okay or not?" is: If it doesn't cause significant impairment in your mental, physical, social/relational, or occupational functioning, it's probably fine. In my case, I just fucking love Haikyuu. That's it. 2:10:55 Hi, therapist here again. We all have limbic systems which are the pleasure centers in our brains. We have a genetically predisposed list of items that affect our limbic systems, and when we consume/experience one of those items, the fronts of our brains literally light up with pleasure. Everyone has a different list which is impacted by their genetics. Sometimes we are predisposed to enjoy alcohol if our parents enjoyed alcohol, and sometimes we develop our own items such as caffeine or gambling. This is why some people develop an addiction to nicotine while others can smoke whenever they want and stop whenever they want, and yet others absolutely hate it. I'm not quite sure what leads to bizarre addictions, though. I would say there could be a trauma component, as usually that's present with self-harming addictive behaviors. Trauma can physically alter our brains' neural pathways, causing certain things to be more or less appealing than they should. Cutting yourself may seem absurd to one person while it can soothe another, and the phone ringing may be normal for one person, but terrifying for another. Shit's crazy man.

1:20:06 Connor: "I kinda wanna box someone so bad." Trash Taste special? A training arc between Garnt, Connor, and Joey would be cool. With safety gear of course.

“Usually the top comments are a meme or a quote from the video. Like yeah, we get it, we all watched the video,” -Joey, 2021

Speaking as somebody who literally can’t breath through their nose (yep, it’s a thing, and it *really* sucks), I feel happy to be acknowledged!

To answer Connor's question, I think that someone becomes addicted to something due to the human need to bond with something. If a person is devoid of social interaction or relationships, they tend to bond with anything even with inanimate objects if the timing is right. I got this from a documentary on youtube a while back.

As a fate fan it feels like the fandom has split up into factions anime only’s, Visual Novel readers, Type moon fans, and Fate go addicts. I’m all I just consume anything the mushroom man makes

"No one really interested in top 10 best, they want to know what's trash." Thus, Trash Taste was born with a (hopefully) promising future.

Love how connor just keeps forgetting his point when he himself is the one talking

Connor: "I get weird comments saying I'm gay in my rent a boyfriend video" Also Connor: "I just filmed one of my favourite videos ever, I worked in a gay bar"

You know, there's one aspect of fanbases and toxicity in gatekeeping that I think gets overlooked due to all the other- completely justified- criticisms of gatekeeping. Nobody wants to see their favorite thing die a slow death by becoming something it was never meant to be. When most things start out, they're small. The fanbase is small, the group making it is small, everything is small. People interact, there's a generally agreed-upon direction that the game/show/thing is going, all is well in the fandom. Then, things start expanding. Ideas start emerging. Some good, some bad. Creativity flourishes... For now. People are relatively accepting of newcomers, because they want to share the awesome thing they found. Then it happens. Things start changing in ways they never wanted. The new, expanded audience- bigger than the original crowd ever was- is insisting on new ideas, new directions, that are contrary to the directions the original material focused. And as that crowd grows, these new directions start to do something the original fans never wanted. It makes the thing they loved slowly, piece by piece, less of what they wanted, and more homogenous with the general public idea of what this type of game/show/whatever is "supposed to" be. Remember Fortnite? I don't mean "Fornite Battle Royale". I mean FORTNITE. The original game. I never got into it, but it was on my to-play list ages ago. Wasn't able to afford it at the time, so had to put it on the backburner. Base-building, zombie-fighting, tower defense, with all sorts of nifty ideas, a rapid build system that looked more competent than most I'd seen, all kinds of fun survival stuff... It had some stuff to it that could have made it a real hit in the basebuilding, tower defense, and a few other genres... It needed some polish and some work, but it could have gone far. I mean, not THAT far. It was a relatively niche product for a relatively niche audience from a group that had success in several fields, but was nowhere near the absolute titan that it became in the past five years. ... And then they made a Battle Royale mode. They liked the concept, and thought it could be cool. They did it in two months. And, they made it free. Hey, maybe if they get some extra attention on the game with this free side-mode they'll be able to get more purchases and really get the game going! (Or maybe the side-mode will be the important part...) ... Fortnite Battle Royale surpassed the "main" game's value almost overnight. Before you knew it, the "main" game was shitty side-content to FORTNITE BATTLE ROYALE, THE GAME TO END ALL GAMES. ... Paragon, another game in beta from Epic, was closed down completely to focus effort on Fortnite: Battle Royale. The game was shuttered completely, the limited playerbase of the paid beta refunded, and the game remains dead. To my knowledge, there is no plan to pick it back up. ... For Fornite: Save the World, the story ended... Okay, at least. They weren't completely cut off. Development DID continue. But... That's not always the way, and there was significant risk it wouldn't be the way here. Fortnite had the advantage of having two distinct modes, completely separate from each other, where one became the world's biggest battle royale game and the other continued to be a base building save the world zombie-fighting experience. It could have become nothing, like Paragon. Even as it was, the development of Save the World was sidelined in favor of Battle Royale. This is an extreme example, but it's an example nonetheless. The game that a relatively small group of people loved and really got into was completely and totally overshadowed by new things, new stuff, changes to the stuff they'd come to love... And many probably felt there was at least a bit of betrayal there. And in other games, games that start adding elements to the main game instead of a side-mode, the differences can be... Overwhelming, terrifying, and can destroy everything you loved about the game. Ask someone who plays Classic WoW how they feel about the changes made over the nearing-two-decades of the main game and see what responses you get. I'm not saying this is the only reason people gatekeep, but there can definitely be that internal perception: "If I just keep all these FAKE fans out, maybe they'll keep everything the way I like it! But if these FAKE fans dominate, then everything I love will be torn out of the game! They want to CHANGE it, I want to keep it the way it is! They're so FAKE!"

The shounen community is just one large tournament arc with opinions

I agree with everything they said about KZfaq, but I feel like Connor’s favorite word is “egregious” 😂

I remember gatekeeping my bloody checkers board in primary school. And after being lectured into letting others share it, the poor thing got destroyed and thrown on the roof for being "too boring". Like why tf did my classmates play with it if they didn't like it.

Honestly it's a good thing they focus on the west while being based in Japan. I'm personally an old-timer and I use this podcast to reminisce about my boys and the shenanigans from my uni days. But I can definitely see how some people who believe they can be friends or are already friends irl might bother them if they were easily available to be bothered.

"We Hate Our Fans." Can't blame you...

Absolutely love how Garnt is able to fully express his vocal range in this new studio.

This is probably the most relatable feeling ever. The fact that I'm watching this podcast every week and looking forward to it, it's like going to eat/drink with some friends. Felix said it and to add on top of it. It's weird that I know that much of you and you know so little of me.(as a viewer I mean). Still, it's a really chill place to hang out at the end of the week.

Re:The addiction thing Connor was wondering about. Here's my theory, I think if you boil it down it all comes down to getting happiness from a particular thing. After a while most people get bored with their obsession. I was a huge Friends fan when I was watching it for the first time and was totally obsessed with it, now I will never voluntarily watch it. I still love it but won't watch it. These people somehow are still able to derive happiness from those things which just leads to that situation.

Gotta love seeing Connor being supportive with his friends, and he is right, the Fate video was fun and a great entry to the overall world, no point on being so picky with stuff

I literally had this conversation with my friend yesterday about how fanbases can get more toxic as the series/franchise/genre/media goes mainstream. Before, the fanbase is dedicated to this niche thing that is special to them. After, there are factions of gatekeeping OG fans who think the good old days are better, new fans who joined because it is a new and trendy thing and want to change the thing to make it similar to other things they like, and normal fans who just want to enjoy the thing as is. Given time, the toxicity could die down as toxic fans find something else to be toxic about.

I imagine Pewds will probably have a hard time watching this episode, because he's so bad at receiving compliments lmao.

I think the main thing that's problematic with Anime and Video Game fans nowadays is instead of fans getting bullied or chastised as a whole, or Gatekeeping game/anime as a whole - there are now cliques of fans that are like "OMG, you like isekai/shonen/etc or you like fps/moba/etc, what a beta, real fans like X" - or "Oh, you just watched S1 of SAO, you aren't a fan" or "you only play COD, not a real fan" which is sad. Just appreciate you gaming/anime as a whole, you don't have the superior taste... That comradery is now shattered by genre. Just my thoughts.

I can't believe that Garnt likes BNHA over Jujitsu Kaisen

I bet someone from the subreddit will make "I'm scatman" from today's intro

1:28:12 just to correct Connor talking out of his ass here, the Yogscast lost MASSIVE amounts of traction when youtube literally hardcoded them out of the frontpage at the time for thinking it was a scheme because all channels that were part of the network were "yogscast something" so KZfaq thought it was one person with multiple channels farming views, one day the frontpage was full of yogscast videos, the next day, no yogscast videos in sight. It wasn't a matter of minecraft becoming less popular, them beginning to stagnate or anything, KZfaq literally shafted them, it wasn't gradual Edit: Yogscast isn't dying at all, they're going strong and gathering new members constantly

I might only be 20 minutes into this episode but the insight into what it takes, both timewise and emotionally, to manage your fanbase is something I never thought about but should have realized. As a fan myself, I agree that I would much rather have you guys continue to create content and not stress out about ensuring we know you're grateful. We know. We wouldn't be here if we didn't know. If you guys were assholes, guarantee most of us wouldn't be here. Keep being yourselves and we'll keep being fans. Thanks for the great podcast as always, it's a highlight of my week.

I don't see you guys as celebrities, I just see you guys as cool guys who make cool videos and interact with followers. And that's the way it should be.

I enrolled in a university this year, and was amazed to find that my curator(teacher who presides over our group) looks exactly like Sydney. The face is the same, the expressions are the same, so much so that I am confident that a face id on a phone would not find a difference. Crazy meeting actual doppelgangers.

Garnt saying "Somebody, Please TALK ABOUT THE WEATHER!." cracked me up so much. 😂😂😅

Here's my weird fan mail message: I've got PTSD. Watching you guys and other KZfaqrs honestly helps. It's not anything complicated to follow, there's no distressing stuff like watching a TV drama; it's just a way to focus on some fun banter rather than my horrible mind. Thanks for the rather unconventional therapy, guys!

Connor: *defends Garnt* BL Fans: "THIS IS WHAT I SUBSCRIBED FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

"bop bop bop bop bop skidibop bop bop bop bop AHH" -The Boys, 2021

Felix introduced me to BLAME! and I would never know that I love it so dearly if it's not for him, with the way he conveys his emotion in that video. He got me to read lots of novels and philosophy books. But nothing tops that video about BLAME!.

Thanks to this podcast playing in the background while I was sleeping, I broke out of a sleep paralysis nightmare. Thanks bois.

Shoutout to the editors for the time markers. Not all the episodes have them and I understand that, I just really appreciate the ones that do and they help me navigate the videos when I dont have the time to do so. Much love, keep up the good work.

Connor talking about the fan mail thing is him trying to get a paid "vacation"

This is probably one of my favorite episode ever. You guys really went deep into those tangents and talked about subjects not a lot of creators would dare to talk about 🙏🏾

Imma start gatekeeping trash taste, you a trash taste fan? Name every tangent

13:00 Connor's entire story is kind of like those twitch donation messages that goes like "hi streamer you've helped me so much in life thank you but my dog passed away last night can we get a sadge in chat" lol

I prefer to not be a "fan" of anything. As TotalBiscuit, years ago, pointed out, a fan comes from the word "fanatic" and fanaticism breeds no real good. I like things and people, but I am no fan about them nor will I ever deny when there are flaws with them. Because nothing is perfect.

01:14:47 The start of trash taste, me: "wtf is this who watches this", half a year later enjoying every single release on my Saturday like damn... Still watching to this day, thanks lads!

In the german language we have a word for the act of, for example, laughing when you read, hear, see or experience a (most of the time) bad situation. We call that a "Übersprungshandlung" (it could be roughly translated to "skipping act") and it's used when someone reacts to something in a way that makes no sense like laughing or punching you leg for example. Basically its an reaction to an surprising amount of inner conflict that builds up almost instantanously. (aka it basically overloads your brain)

Connor: "just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right" Archer Connor when?

I know it's not the same. But it was overwhelming for me just playing an MMO and being an end game raid guild leader of around 500 people for a couple years and being on Discord and in game and having so many people trying to talk to me each day; while trying to give each of them time to get better or see if they're good enough to join raids and having training runs was too much for me after awhile while managing my real life. So couldn't imagine trying to do that with a huge fanbase. So completely understand that you can't interact with everyone

43:00 I would love to see Connor do a video about his "Anime opinions" but it's actually Joey and Gant's opinions and let's see if people really don't care about it

I'm so happy I got into Gintama and Jojo. They're both chill.

Has no one on the internet taken Ratatouille to heart? Everyone is a critic. Being a critic is easy. The average piece of junk is still worth more than the criticism denoting as junk. Remember, "fan" is short for fanatic for a reason.

I lost it when Connor was talking about people obsessed with a show and then realize "Is that me with JOJO?" And what a plot twist at the end

Lol wtf happened at 1:05:50 ? Did the intern dies ? They all looked worried there for a second. ASHLEYYYYY TELL US IF YOU ARE OK! next episode: welcome to our new intern ! Lol. Be safe ash!

1:28:41 Some really good advice from Connor. Probably because I’m not a creator but it puts things in perspective. “KZfaq is constantly changing, you are building a foundation on quicksand” food for thought for anybody who wants to get into content creation.

This was really informative and I'm sure most KZfaqrs feel the same about their fans. We as viewers need to understand that they have lives outside of just creating content for us and that if we really care about them we should be understanding. It's nice when they interact with fans but just don't expect it.

Connor: "Oh I wouldn't upload weekly if it was on my own back. Maybe once a month." You mean like Garnt? 😂😂

This podcast really gave me such an appreciation for Connor I never knew I could have. Always loved his content, but now I really love his perceived personality.

Note to self, send a big box of rocks with a note that says "You suck" to Connors P.O. box

As a hardcore Fate /type-moon fan who's consumed literally everything from Anime/Manga/VNS/LNs/Douj-...I loved Grant's video

shoutout to ashley being a complete chaotic energy in this episode. Shoutout to 1:05:44

This episode connects with me on a spiritual level with my journey of being an anime fan. The gatekeeping, fandom hate, toxicity were all so genuinely accurate.

I love the honesty from Joey this episode about how he played up for the camera respecy!

Finally caught up with all episodes! Time to watch the premiere!

The Yogscast is an interesting example. They have evolved with the times, maybe too late to keep the main channel as the juggernaut it once was but you could also say the people behind it have just changed priorities. It's more of a network of many channels now, some of them pretty big. You've probably seen a Spiffing Brit exploit video, he's part of the Yogscast. The guys who run the main channel and got the big Minecraft views back in the day seem to spend more time managing the wider network now.

The whole "what is a successful KZfaqr" discussion was such an odd one, specifically if one can be considered one if/when their channel stops. Failing or fading away doesn't negate ones success. Happens to everyone in any career.

I love how the “Spotting fake anime fans” segment ended up being them describing what “being dramatic” is across a few minutes

Virgin Garnt and joey:suffering from success The chad connor:success ffrom suffering

Gatekeeping is horrible but like Garnt said we can empathize with them. They get so emotionally attached to something that it becomes a part of themselves. It feels very special and some people thrive on being different as a way to express their individuality. To have it going mainstream, it would feel less personal. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter and people should just keep looking for the next new thing.

15:00 The feelings of feeling sad and depressed yourself after reading depressing stuff is called compassion fatigue and absolutely normal, even therapists, doctors, caregivers, all experience this because caring for someone else be it emotionally or physically is just taxing period, and it can drive even perfectly sane people to suicide. This is why it is said that "therapists need therapists" (seriously, they do) and self care is often stressed. This is also why when you volunteer with a suicide hotline or are involved in the mental health community it is advised not to offer direct personal contact with someone (messaging, phone calls, etc) because it is very difficult for just one person to fully meet the needs of another individual 24/7, that's an unrealistic promise, instead it is better for them to reach out to a community of people or facility where the caregiver changes and people get breaks so they don't burn out. I think fans tend to confide really deep stuff to people they think are celebrities because they don't actually expect it to be read or replied to, but being able to just say it even if it is never acknowledged is cathartic for a lot of people, you're basically the equivalent of diary. I can completely understand this both being an amazing privilege that you have people who feel they trust you enough to share this information with you, while it also being difficult to digest for obvious reasons. Not sure if this will ever be read, but just in case it is helpful in any way I thought I would explain all of this and also would like to add: you're in no way obligated to constantly be there for people as much as it may feel that way (which is kinda covered in the Discord portion, but I'd like to reiterate), and when you are having to deal with this stuff, as hard as it may be with how busy your schedule is I'm sure, make sure to take time for yourself and relax, do some self care. If you feel overwhelmed it is perfectly acceptable to see a therapist so you also have someone to confide in as well, so you also aren't shouldering the entirety of these emotions, and there is no shame in doing this.

For the fan mail part of the vid - I’ve heard other youtubers talk about fans writing them “goodbye” letters or very harsh letters with very intimate information with threats to get a reply. I think its good, honestly, to not read to much fan mail as it can set permanent marks on a person that gets a lot of them.. Nice you speak up about it :D

I can relate to the discord thing. I was a mod for a large server for a while and had people name call me and or blame me for banning their friend when their friend was spamming every channel with racist comments. I feel this so very hard.

They should add “crew camera” so when funny things like Ashley trying handing coffee and meyline ‘ incest’ incident can be documented! Just pop it up when funny things happens so doesnt really clutter the screen

2:08:30 Yes, there is a difference between obsession and addiction. Very big medical differences between the two. Obsession: Recurrent and persistent thoughts, impulses, or images that are experienced as intrusive and inappropriate, and that cause marked distress or anxiety. This is cognitive, and can be hard to pin down as different people/cultures may have different feelings on what constitutes "inappropriate." Addiction: Compulsive engagement in rewarding stimuli despite adverse consequences. This is not merely cognitive as there are measurable detriments to a person who suffers from an addiction.

Although an active listener I don't really comment on your videos, but I just wanted to say that this episode with its range of topic was super interesting! Loved the earnest peek behind KZfaq, Fandom and how you view your work. Had fun listening to it!!

"Do you read all your fanmail?" Most KZfaqrs: "I would love to but there's just not enough time in the day to read and respond to everyone." Trash Taste: "No! And in fact, if you do you're a bad person!"

I love hearing their insights on KZfaq and behind the scene stuff. Very informative for people starting out.

1:10:00 "When has gatekeeping ever worked out?" "Never. Literally never." *_If you think about it, it kinda worked if no one knew about something that has been successfully gatekeeped by people_*

I cheered when Garnt started with Re:Zero and then nearly shit myself when he said No Game No Life lmfao, my top two animes right there baby.

Dung beetles are actually beneficial for the soil. Paparazzi are like unrecyclable plastic waste in the drain.

I hear everyone always saying how cute and amazing the relationship of Joey is, but Grant and Sydney is something really motivational

I've begun to notice theres a pattern with alot of these podcasts. Theres always one person among the three that does something no one else does or brings up a subject to see if anyone else does it and then gets totally grilled for it. Though Gigguk with the toilet episode was probably the most outrageous XD

The boys facepalming when Garnt said mouth breathers. Priceless 😂😂😂