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Now 2Set is going to have to find an actual tone deaf friend to do more fun videos with.

I think those challenges are more about memorization than tonality. Also, you can have perfect pitch and an imperfect instrument (his voice).

@@greencloud9092 or a series where they train him

Ibo did better than me and I thought I was "tone average" LOL

✨𝙁 𝘼 𝙎 𝘾 𝙄 𝙉 𝘼 𝙏 𝙄 𝙉 𝙂✨ *insert wavy effect* -Brett Yang, 2022

This moment was hilarious! True friendship here!

This was the funniest part! 🤣🤣🤣

I laughed way too loudly at 6 in the morning.

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I think that Ibo has very good general intelligence and can be developed to do very good things - maybe never had a good opportunity or environment to do so :)

ibo is more tone sensitive than i am i failed most of them and ive been playing piano since i was five :') guess i need to practice more

@@feveria I don't know what he does for a living but I'm sure he's successful at what he's pursued. It just hasn't been music.

id say hes about average

@@mypoorbraincells how do you do that lol. no way.

Well said! I agree & 💯 %watch!

Yes!!!!! 🤩

I was just thinking Two Set Academy dictionary now has a new word added... HAHA Sacrilegious Lamentable Amazing Interesting "Fascinating" ^_^

Seriously, guys, please think about an occasional TwoSet Academy episode where you touch on stuff like this to teach musical concepts and theory in a casual way. My theory sucks despite singing and playing for years; I run on instinct but I can’t explain *why* stuff is like it is. Most people learn well when it’s edutainment, right? And how could more TwoSet be bad? ❤️

100% agree! I would watch the heck out of TwoSet Academy ♡

He isn't, the biggest give away is that he isn't monotone in his speech patterns, if he was truly tone deaf, he'd be monotone.

Yes, I can't sing but I'm definitely not tone deaf

I agree. I can't sing to save my life. I just can't control my vocal chords that way. But I can hear pitches just fine (which makes me cringe every time I try to sing). I don't know if voice training would help, but I'm happy playing my instruments.

GET ZACH FOR IBO!

Not only that, he has shown before he has a pretty good ear for rhythm as well.

Yeah, actual Tone Deafness, Amusia, is rare, most likely if you can recognize and remember people's voices, you aren't tone deaf.

Yeah like me he's not (completely) tone deaf but can't reproduce notes reliably. I can hear when someone is off key (if it's bad enough) but can't tell what's wrong with it. There's l-o-o-o-o-t-s of us out there I discovered (just go to any karaoke event...)

He just cant sing the notes in his head Like me 8)

@@christopherbedford9897 : A neighbor of mine was telling me just the other night that he was tone deaf. And wouldn't you know it, I had a guitar in hand, so just played a Major third and asked witch one was lower in pitch and he could tell easily. That doesn't mean his ear is "good," but he can hear the difference, so he is obviously not deaf to it. It's just practice and perseverance to develop the skill further.

Then him saying he never called himself tone deaf and that that was them

FACINATING!

Yes man, im still laughing xD

Right?! so InTeReStRiNg.

@@CL-jf8qs ✨Fascinating✨

extra funny given their clothing choices 🤣😂🤣

He says it so much, no one could missed it, you mean? Amen on that!

@@xandraxandra1437 totally! The whole world knows. But maybe Ibo not knowing shows how good of a friend he is to them.

😂😂😂😂

so now we know Ibo doesn't watch their videos

When did he say that?

@Don't Read My Profile Photo k I won't

i gueess

if you enjoyed this, you gotta watch their Hilarry Hann's interview where they just eat dinner(?) together and discuss about serious or fun musical topics, one of my favourite videos because it has the vibe you describe at your comment :)

@@MarsLos10 Yess the fact that its >1 hr is so great too. Tbh if twoset had a podcast it wud be amazing!

Fascinating

Brett is a whole diminished chord man

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Now the TwoSet vocabulary has widened with a new phrase

I agree that stat is wrong. Tone deaf means a person can't identify pitches at all. A tone deaf person can hear rhythm, but but can't distinguish melody and harmony. However, everything is a spectrum. Just because a person can't always identify if a note is flat or sharp doesn't make them tone deaf.

Yeah it's actually like that, I had a keyboard since I was a kid and that developed my tonality (and also my interest in music) such that I got all the answers, meanwhile my friend who got a guitar some time ago can't yet play a melody by ear

Actually, according to Wikipedia, that statistic is true: _"Studies have shown that congenital amusia is a deficit in fine-grained pitch discrimination and that 4% of the population has this disorder."_ But "tone deafness" is not an accurate description, because too many people who actually aren't tone deaf still label themselves as "tone deaf", because they are bad at singing or feel like they have no musical talent. _"Symptoms of receptive amusia, sometimes referred to as "musical deafness" or "tone deafness", include the inability to recognize familiar melodies, the loss of ability to read musical notation, and the inability to detect wrong or out-of tune notes."_ Basically, if you can recognize the familiar melody someone is playing, and you can hear when they make obvious mistakes, you aren't tone deaf. All in all, if you enjoy music, you probably aren't tone deaf.

I failed this test but I don't feel bad. I always thought the definition of tone deaf was not being able to tell if a song was out of tune. lol

@@MaggaraMarine Roger Waters (Pink Floyd's bassist, lyricist/singer for most of The Wall, Dark Side of the Moon, greatest hits) is supposedly tone-deaf. His singing is certainly off/not great, and maybe he's just going by fret positions, but I have a hard time chalking the truth of it up to "tone deaf" - not completely anyway. Just average dude. Meanwhile, you listen to someone like Whitney Houston (not a fan, personally), she's dead-nuts on every note every time without correction - so that's perfect pitch, but also an amazing amount of vocal control. I've played in (folk instrument) bands as the anchor everyone else tuned off. As the instruments warm up, they sharpen, and people have to be able to pull out a bit, retune, or the collective group goes up from 447 to ~450+ after they're warmed up. The problem is (because of my perfect pitch) I'd lip down and stay at 447, and then >I'd< be the one out of tune-with the collective- even though I was the one they were all supposed to be tuning off of, because they thought tuning was a "set it and forget it" thing. It's really frustrating being in the wrong because you're so right, lol.

Wait does Bach have kids??

@@-vunhatgiang-1811 he has like 1000

@@avenue222 Wait what.😧

Last time I was this early I got a phat overtime check

@@-vunhatgiang-1811 he had 20, but more than half of them died very young

That’s be a great idea! He has so much potential!!

Wait ! Eddy's real name is Edward !?

Wait ! Eddy's real name is Edward !?

Wait ! Eddy- nah..i dont think so

@@nandinipancholi8194 I'm not sure but the reason why I mention this is because the day before yesterday, he changed his Instagram info to Edward Chen for less than ten minutes and changed it back to Eddy, so I'm kinda joking around here lol

@@deborahmutombo7224 (copy and paste from my answer above) I'm not sure but the reason why I mention this is because the day before yesterday, he changed his Instagram info to Edward Chen for less than ten minutes and changed it back to Eddy, so I'm kinda joking around here lol

Yeah, he got a lot of melodies almost right and he had the right rhythm every time!

he's very tone sensitive for sure, being able to hear that 2hz difference was something i expected even twoset themselves to maybe struggle with. Musicality, however, I think most people who end up as good mucisians will be a bit more of a natural in musicality than Ibo. Not to be mean of course, but I just think a certain amount of musicality has to be there from the beginning. Some kids you'll see are such a natural in singing and stuff, without the parents making them do it. Idk

@@minephlip Nah, his inability to sing does not make him a bad musician. Instruments are for the "not needing to sing" part in life. And not every great musician is a great singer. Rhythm on the other hand is universal.

​@@blauespony1013 There are different aspects of singing. Many great musicians might not have a great voice. A great voice requires training and the physical properties for it. But they can hit notes when singing, because they have an imagination of the pitch they have to produce. And even with very little practice that is enough to sing a melody. It might sound bad, but it'll be correct pitch. He could of course learn, but most musicians have learned that from an early age.

@@salia2897 I know enough people who can sing as long as they hear the music/accompaniment, but die once they have to sing a capella. Especially when they have heard the piece only twice in their lives. So I don't see your point at all.

Agreed what I've seen from two videos so far he is pretty good rhythmically and here he did really nicely on everything, most notable the intervals (even if he did slightly miss). Impressive really.

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And one must admit, that they were quite hard on him in this respect. Picking up a complex melody from hearing it just once is not that easy. If it is what you have done all your life, it might seem that way, but it is not.

Is more studying/teaching videos with Ibo, it would be *fascinating*

I second this idea! They should make a series of them teaching Ibo music theory stuff and basic classical music stuff. Or music history. It’s perfect for the non musicians subscribers, too!

I want to see Ibo try to play violin in 1 hour 🤭

YES! Ibo is adorable and I love the energy of their friendship.

One might say it's * f a s c i n a t i n g *

Similar story. Except I knew I wasn't tone deaf cos I could hear and recognize my singing was out of tune. But I believed it meant I have zero musical ability = pointless to try to learn to play anything. So I wish just as you I realized that earlier that it's not true.

Yep, a lot of people can't connect their voice to the notes they're hearing very well without training, but it is something that most people can learn to do, which is awesome :D

Think of singing as hand-eye coordination. A lot of people just never developed the connection between hearing the tone and producing that same tone with their voice because that's something that is practiced

I'm the same, well I didn't really think I was tone deaf just really bad cause I sing like a strangled chicken xD I can hear what I'm supposed to sing in my head but I open my mouth and something else comes out and it's not right. I guess that's the definition of "not tone deaf just don't know how to sing"

I kind of agree with you. Though I think there may be people who are tone deaf. I am color blind. My eyes don't see the way yours do. No amount of training can fix that.

I think there are but they're pretty rare.

@@eriks2962 Very different though. For color blind people certain receptors in the eye either do not work or react to some degree to the wrong frequencies of light. So there is a physical cause in the eye. "Tone deaf" people can actually hear all frequencies as long as they can hear and identify other sounds and especially language. The ear seems to detect sounds quite fine and the brain is able to analyse them as well. So I don't think there is a physical cause in the ear. As I am not a doctor or biologist, I cannot be perfectly sure about that, but I have never heard of such a cause or even as "tone deafness" as a medical condition. So it might be a mental limitation, maybe more similar to a learning condition. And people with such conditions can usually improve with training.

@@salia2897 There are people who can't hear all frequencies. Even as human we usually only hear a certain range. Some hear less than others so it's not a stretch some/a few can't legitimately hear differences between some since that seems like the grey area between hearing and hearing loss. Or that perhaps some people can technically hear them but it's a brain thing where it doesn't process as different.

@@wombat4583 We cannot only usually only hear a certain range, we definitively only can hear a certain range. And yes, there are of course people that have some physical damage to their inner ear or some other issue. But that is not what is referred to as tone deaf. People that are "tone deaf" can typically completely normal hearing. I've looked it up, and yes it is an issue with the processing in the brain, so it is a cognitive issue. So it is much more similar to something like dislexia than it is to color blindness. You cannot train a color blind person to see colors, because the biological ability is just not there. You can train most dislexic people to read to some extend though. It is just much harder for them. Of course brains are different and mental ability is also. Some might not be able to learn to distinguish simple cords. But "tone deaf" is not a medical term and saying someone is "tone deaf" makes it sound like that it is not something they could be able to learn. But most of them probably can.

Thank you! I know he doesn't like to talk about it so people might have been confused

@@Casutama he tends to be a bit shy about telling people so I decided to spread the good word instead

lmfao love this thread

I have perfect pitch too. Realized it as soon as I could hear the refrigerator making a noise and say "That's a Bb." just immediately. I think it's part of why I hear a distinct character to every key regardless of temperament. Like if someone were to ask me "What key sounds majestic to you?" I'd say D major. Or if somebody asked me "Which key do you think encompasses the entire spectrum?" I'd say C minor. Or like if somebody asked me "What does G major feel like to you?" I'd say "It feels warm, there's definitely a warmth to it, makes me think of a sunny day." Or if somebody asked me what F minor feels like I'd say "It's very melancholic, like you just can't let go of the melancholy. It's like if you're grieving over somebody's death. You can't just let go of that grief. Same with F minor. Except for Beethoven, Beethoven somehow makes it sound very dramatic, but otherwise, yeah, deathly melancholy."

@@amyosullivan8629 Wait, why? Isn’t being able to hear a pitch in non-musical noise and immediately say what note it is something that only people with perfect pitch can do? And what about those key characters for every single key in equal temperament, I’ve only ever heard of people with perfect pitch having that.

I thought that it was the opposite.

@@xandraxandra1437 have you heard their lofis?😂

@@KoiYakultGreenTea Yes, I have, but I think Brett is more cheerful than Eddy who is more analytical in their personalities. Brett played with the music app and ended up with the lofi. I don't think he thought that it would come out that way.

@@xandraxandra1437 check out old school playing videos and bretts dead face

was Editor-san hinting something? When Eddy played the major chords, she showed Eddy, and vice versa. Tbh, personality-wise, it seems that Brett is more cheerful than Eddy, especially in a social setting. InTeReStRiNgLy, Eddy's compositions (lofi, hans zimmer cinematic composition) are more cheerful, and positive while Brett's are more haunting and chill (to the bones).

Brett actually did podcasts years ago with other classical musicians. 😊

@@serena_davis Really?! What was it called?

Well, no, that herz test just murdered me, I can't hear the difference at all, no matter how hard I listened, I couldn't hear the difference. (Everything else was like ok, I can do this, but the herz literally just didn't register at all.)

@@eiralinnea Tbh, I didn't hear it either, but I'm listening with bad headphones while sitting in a train, so I have an excuse xD Then again, I also didn't manage most of the questions with more than one tone in them, so yeah...

@@eiralinnea Same, they all sounded the same to me and I'm learning the violin. Yikes! Hope my 'ear' improves with time!

With this Hz test, besides being able to perceive a difference, you also need to remember what the previous note sounded like, even if it is just for a few milseconds. So yeah, hearing pitch involves a lot of memory (or represention, basically imagining/recalling the sound as you heard it).

I knew all the answers to the rest except the slight hertz one which I kept replaying and still couldn't hear the difference. I think my question is : Are you hertz deaf?

Same, but I think it's just because I am not used to it and with practice I could

Same, I could get the note maybe within a few tries, but identifying chords is pretty much impossible for me

The way I did it was just by holding the scale in my head and comparing each unknown note against every note on the scale. Takes a minute but it works. I think when you're familiar enough with scales you can just tell how far apart two notes are by the change in pitch, but that's way beyond me.

@@ashurean The same thing worked for me. Did the same thing for the earlier tests too, just on a much smaller scale.

I think it definitely took a while. I havent played an instrument in years and I definitely had near perfect pitch when I did. Now I have to focus more and compare each note mentally and it takes a lot longer than it use to. That or I'm just getting old.

I wonder who is minor chord and who is major chord.

@@hildewong5281 i think eddy would be major chord and brett would be minor chord because of sad/dark and happy/light personality lol

i think he was joking

There are simple “cheats” to help you recognize intervals when you hear them. For example, the first two notes in “Here Comes the Bride” are a perfect fourth.

Supposedly tone deaf

he isnt tone deaf at all

Instrument specific absolute pitch is a thing. Especially with notes that are particularly ‘interesting’ on an instrument

That's me. I'd listen to songs as a kid, and then just play them. My mother went and told my first instructor about that, and my instructor just shrugged and said that's how some people are, and didn't seem surprised at all. But I have always struggled to read music - like, I can look at it and play the notes on it, and with a LOT of effort maybe count things out very slowly so the notes are the right length, but with no musicality. I had to listen to my teacher play it or listen to a recording so I knew the notes and rhythm and just how the piece sounded in general, and then I could play it fine (and about three decades later, that's still the case...now I'm on KZfaq looking for recordings so I can learn new pieces). I've been told I have near perfect pitch, because I can't just hear any note and name it, even if I could hear a note and promptly play it on my violin. Going through this video was fascinating (lol) however, because I was watching it for fun, not to test myself...except then I kept getting confused by TwoSet's surprise at Ido getting things right because the right answers seemed so easy and obvious to me. Like, obviously that was an A not a B, and obviously #4 was the one 2 Hzs lower than the other notes...that type of thing. If you just played a random note and it was an open ended "what note was that" I'd maybe fail, but with the multiple choice "is this A or B" it was so easy. It helped to imagine that I had my violin and needed to play those notes, and then it became easy to tell if it was an A or B. Now I get why my mother was so surprised/confused at my playing songs by ear as a child, because this test was so easy and I was baffled as to why TwoSet's reactions were so surprised when Ido got them almost or entirely correct. Anyway...I had no idea that instrument specific absolute pitch was an actual thing, and it's nice to finally have a name for it!

I know, some of it was really hard.

Me too, I thought I could ace it, but no. I'm worse than Ibo...

@@xandraxandra1437 I feel ya! I also did worse than Ibo 😆

I played flute and started taking voice classes at school with some friends. The teacher literally told me to stop singing and get the flute to 'help others get the right tone' xD Became a (flute) soloist tho

I feel prior starting to play guitar (still not long) I struggled less doing a test like this. I don't know why. :D

Yessss! Brilliant idea, or should i say, *^f a s c i n a t i n g^*

I still don't hear it 😿

I couldn't hear it either and I supposedly have perfect pitch

It was also the only one I couldn't hear. But then I also can't distinguish or hear the different temperament tunings. For example well temperament sounds the same to me as equal temperament. But intervals, hearing and recreating melodies etc.: No problem. I can also hear whether my guitar is tuned to E or to Eb. And I absolutely don't have perfect pitch.

I thought it was super clear for some reason?? like the first time through I knew immediately because 4 just sounded slightly off, though I can't explain why. Maybe it's just because I play 15 instruments and sing so I just have so much experience with tuning? Idk man, I can totally understand how that's hard for a lot of people. I don't have perfect pitch either so I'm surprised it was so easy for me

I heard that 4 was different but struggled with numbering sounds 1-8 and differentiating B and C. I think its because in the 2hz challenge you had 4 sounds that were exactly the same whereas 1 was slightly different. But in the B C challenge all the instruments sounded completely different and i had the same reaction as ibo. they didn;t sound like they had anything in common