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@robertb82805 жыл бұрын
Good video and great topic for discussion. Weld though primer is essential if you cannot access the area after the welding, like a patch panel or rocker. Welds will start rusting immediately. Weld through primer melts and leaves an etch behind to protect the weld. Also, using things like epoxy that are not meant to be welded before welding contaminates the weld. That is why you epoxy weld was so pouros.
@MrFireman1645 жыл бұрын
Robert B spot on sir , thanks 🙏🏻
@cutworm597 жыл бұрын
Had it not been for you I would have never knew this. Thanks so much!
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
cutworm59 lol, not sure what you learned but it's probably not right , thanks for watching
@huck019557 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to do this . We will all learn from it :)
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
huck01955 I hope so
@Rarerat7 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to seeing your results
@indyme27 жыл бұрын
Interesting video. Looking forward to the results. Thanks.
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
indyme2 me too thanks
@wyattoneable7 жыл бұрын
Nice T shirt! You got it going on in your shop. Always something to work on.
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
wyattoneable u dizzy !
@martinnormand36837 жыл бұрын
Enjoy your videos. My thinking is that weld thru primer works best where two panels are sandwiched together like plug welds or pinch welds forming a barrier around the welds that are between the two sheet metals sandwiched together as in your experiment in the last part of this video. I also believe the same about scraping plug weld holes clean prior to welding for a better weld and would not lose weld thru protection. I have considered doing the same experiment. Nice to see you doing it. Looking forward to seeing your results.
@DoubleRRestorations7 жыл бұрын
Will be a good test. I did a similar test awhile back, it held up good with the weld thru. I didn't video any of it. I have never used the 3m and I know everyone has their favorites. I have had good luck with the Medallion rs512.
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
Double R Restorations 👍
@carolinamanjr13857 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see how this comes out
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
Carolina Man me too
@Velvethamma7 жыл бұрын
I use the weld thru and I go back and forth between scraping it out of plug welds. Been reading a lot on the SPI forum and they suggested after welding to tape up seams and flood with epoxy. Either using a 360 wand or the like to get the cavity covered. I use the cavity wax after painting with good results but I also don't have any repairs over 6-7 years old yet. But the vehicles are driven in salt so I would think it might be a fair test
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
Velvethamma yes , you would know better than anyone as to what works and what doesn't where you live , I know people go back and forth on this subject so it makes for a good learning experience for people like me .
@Tanoble697 жыл бұрын
Interesting - can't wait for the out come.
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
Tom Noble 👍
@GaryRubino7 жыл бұрын
Defiantly will be interesting to see how this turns out. Though outside of the weld through primer, wish I could weld half as good as you. I gave up on it, while my welds held up and penetrated, no matter the settings or things Ive tried, they just looks like someone blew their nose on it lol
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
Gary Rubino thanks lol
@TheOpenAirGarage7 жыл бұрын
Very interesting experiment. Will be looking forward to seeing what the outcome is.
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
The Open Air Garage thanks
@elsdp-45607 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU...for sharing. Nice test.
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
ELSDP-45 thanks for taking the time to watch
@cheftush7 жыл бұрын
Cool. Funny, I just bought some weld thru primer on my way home from work tonight....
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
cheftush sweet ! Hope it works better than mine 😁
@samsgarage28567 жыл бұрын
Should be a good test. Looking forward to the findings.
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
Sam's Garage thanks
@idaho2ndgens2407 жыл бұрын
I wonder if all weld thru primer is basically the same or if some is better than others. Great video Roger. Looking forward to this. If it sucks, I will not sleep at night with my 1953 truck!
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
Idaho 2nd Gens lol , I'm going to buy some copper and try it
@UpperPeninsulaDIY7 жыл бұрын
Thats interesting! Sorry, new subscriber here. Nice to meet you! I'm curious to know if the weld will rust or not.
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
Upper Peninsula DIY thanks , glad you subbed!
@nitrosport57 жыл бұрын
Must have been my problem on my rocker replacement project a couple years ago. i used weld through primer and welded over it, could never get a good clean weld, always popped real bad with a rough bubbly finish. i blamed it on sheetmetal impuritys from cheap parts. rockers for my truck were only like $20-$30 each. never thought a product called weld through would make the welds so horrible.
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
nitrosport5 zink is hard to weld in my experience, it's like welding on galvanized steel , it just sucks . Lotta good comments here tho
@SYFGARAGE7 жыл бұрын
it's funny because everyone hates weld thru but almost no one understands how its supposed to be used. As far as I understand when used in a weld like a plug weld, the primer melts into the puddle as you weld and adds corrosion protection to the weld itself. Not the surrounding metal around the weld. You see people using it, and then scraping it out of the hole before they weld, which totally defeats the purpose. But then again like you, I am usually wrong about everything... But it is called weld thru primer, and not put around or behind your weld primer.. lol
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
Shut Yer Face Garage that's because no one wants to step up and show us what we are doing wrong ,so we just struggle through and then get blasted by tubers for being idiots ... you should make how to vids !
@SYFGARAGE7 жыл бұрын
Lol blasted? Please.
@MrSpubby7 жыл бұрын
SYFG.....I agree....I use it all the time....used it today with a full chevy bed side replacement...I grind and then spray the areas my spot welds are going to be and it melts and seals all the welds...spatters like hell when you weld it, but does a good job.
@asicerik7 жыл бұрын
Great video Roger. I was thinking as I was watching it, why don't you cut out the section on the Camaro rocker? That is a good science experiment right there. See what (if any) primer they put in there and see if it has rusted.
@jamesfreddys7 жыл бұрын
asicerik I've run into many GM rockers from that era that were galvanized and seem to hold up well.
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
jamesfreddys they should have galvanized The Whole car
@asicerik7 жыл бұрын
True, but Roger was talking about this test for how to repair his rocker. So, it should be a good test.
@jamesfreddys7 жыл бұрын
I've read that weld thru primer melts into the puddle of the weld and provides corrosion resistance in the bead as it re-solidifies. I don't scrape the weld-thru primer away on my plug welds anymore. It will be an interesting experiment to see the results I myself started using it regularly. Have you considered the structural integrity of a section repair on the rocker of a unibody car? Just a question I over analyze everything.
@jamesfreddys7 жыл бұрын
Meant to say started using it recently.
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
jamesfreddys then you know how ugly it is to weld through zink , if the weld is full of holes and did not adhere to base metal I wonder if it's not better to scrape away to get a good weld ? As Matt says I'm wrong most of the time , but it makes for a good vid to open up discussion so we can all learn .
@jamesfreddys7 жыл бұрын
MrFireman164 I had a learning curve with it over the years but it seems to be working ok for me now it wasn't easy getting used to it at first. Opening up discussion on repair topics is one of the best features of these videos we do.
@jamesfreddys7 жыл бұрын
MrFireman164 check out Adam kniffen's video on the topic I remember that being a good one I'm going to go watch it again.
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
jamesfreddys will do
@melgross5 жыл бұрын
I’d just like to mention that weld thru products aren’t meant for direct exposure to the elements. They’re intended to be used in a protected environment. That means inside a panel. They don’t explain that very well, so I’m not surprised people don’t understand that. So sure, it will rust outside. Really, it’s a light layer of protection. Usually the parts are spray painted later. Interesting results though. In addition, it’s expected to be used, not with regular welding, but with a spot welder. By the way don’t weld through epoxy, serious gasses are produced. Not good. Not immediately as dangerous as welding in zinc, but close enough.
@MrFireman1645 жыл бұрын
Mel Gross thanks you are correct
@fishy83032 жыл бұрын
I been welding under my car for awhile now ontop self etching now you’ve scared me
@melgross2 жыл бұрын
@@fishy8303 you should wear a 3M, or equivalent, respirator, with the proper filters. I forget what the filter number is right now, but it’s prescribed for welding.
@zach53016 жыл бұрын
I think you should try sem copperweld, I've had very good luck with it
@MrFireman1646 жыл бұрын
Zach yeah I like it
@JD-ml7cg5 жыл бұрын
Is weld through seam sealer better for overlap welding?
@MrFireman1645 жыл бұрын
J D probably if there is such a thing and you have a pinch welder that you trust to hold your car together
@The88katana6007 жыл бұрын
think the two welds will rust the same? on the back side
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
The88katana600 I do yes
@TheStaticNomadic7 жыл бұрын
How did this test work out on this. I couldn't find an update video on it, but I am in a similar dilemma on how I can treat the inside of a frame that I am welding up.
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
The Static Nomadic so far the only weld thru test I have done that has passed was the link below where is used a syringe and injected epoxy down in the seams. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ibFidrZ7t9aZmqc.html
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
The Static Nomadic if you go to about 6 min in on this vid it will save you from watching me blab about nothing
@TheStaticNomadic7 жыл бұрын
LOL, just finished watching the video and it was very interesting. Really doesn't look like weld through does a whole lot:) I have a box frame under my Motor Coach that has rusted do to a water leak on the water heater. I was going to cut out the bad areas and then weld in new metal, but I want to rust proof the inside of the tubing as well as the outside. I was hoping to spray the inside of both pieces before I weld it up, but it doesn't look like that will work either:( I guess I just weld it up & rust proof the outside the best I can. Thanks for the quick reply though!
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
The Static Nomadic seam sealer to keep the water out is probably the best protection if you can
@romellyarde9077 жыл бұрын
Hi did it protect the underside of the test panel? I didn't see the after video for that.
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
Romell Yarde nope , rust formed
@pauldormont44705 жыл бұрын
That pneumatic tool that you used to punch the holes in the sheet metal flange: What is it called?
@MrFireman1645 жыл бұрын
Paul Dormont pneumatic sir punch and flange tool , they come with different punch hole sizes so be careful to look at that when you buy one and get the one for your best application, too small a plug weld won’t hold , too large is a pain to weld closed
@pauldormont44705 жыл бұрын
@@MrFireman164 Thanks for the quick response. It really helps to keep my mind active not to have to wait to move ahead. You are really a very good instructor. Thanks for being out there and posting what you have!
@careercrim6 жыл бұрын
Is there are result video? How about adding a link to the description! Thanks
@MrFireman1646 жыл бұрын
hemiceni yes and good idea
@MrFireman1646 жыл бұрын
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@jamescon555 жыл бұрын
So, is there a "RESULT VIDEO" from this test anywheres....?
@MrFireman1645 жыл бұрын
Jim Concannon YES! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ibFidrZ7t9aZmqc.html&feature=share
@MrFireman1645 жыл бұрын
I mean “YES”
@silys52533 жыл бұрын
Why scrape weld through primer off before welding?
@MrFireman1643 жыл бұрын
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@red1inerr1132 жыл бұрын
You cant weld directly to the primer.
@karinroessen43794 жыл бұрын
I don`t understand why it should rust because of moisture when you welded and painted your peace and put it outside. Teach me. You locked it
@lockshoprobert7 жыл бұрын
Not all weld-thru primer is created equal. Check-out a product by Medallion, it's a etch-weld primer RS-512. I'm still watching your videos & still find them educational. Did you ever check-out the Dustless Sand Blasting.
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
Robert White thanks yes I did but the closest place around is over 100 miles away
@KingsDisasterGarage7 жыл бұрын
That weld thru primer sucks! Still loving the great test videos.
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
KingsDisasterGarage yes
@GRIM_7REAPER7 жыл бұрын
I have to do the same damned thing with weld through primer. stuff is great... but like ya said. it a bitch to actually hit directly over.
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
Grim Reaper yes it is, I'm going to try copper
@tthams733 жыл бұрын
Isn’t that what seam sealer is for?
@MrFireman1643 жыл бұрын
Brilliant why didn’t I think of that ??
@tthams733 жыл бұрын
@@MrFireman164 3M has an excellent video on using weld-thru coatings: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r5lhasljsLaRqmg.html
@thomasdunco70333 жыл бұрын
3M has a good video on you tube on weld thru primer . they explain its purpose and how to use it.
@MrFireman1643 жыл бұрын
Yeah I watch all their vids, weld thru is not really worth it, I guess it might help a bit but most of it burns off, but hey it sells so someone is making money.
@thomasdunco70333 жыл бұрын
@@MrFireman164I enjoy you KZfaq.. Ok I have to i agree weld thru Primer is a conundrum from my research, it does not do what you think it dose, you should not weld thru it. Now,, how do you protect the inside of the flanged joints with spot-welds all along the seam? I am doing a 66 GTO full sail quarter replacement my seams that i have cut open thus far about 80% are better than i expected to see with no sealer that i know of, If I am incorrect in that statement someone correct me.. So at this point i am leaning towards just weld it back up with nothing..
MrFireman164 not throwing off on you what so ever but in my experience a pinch weld panel bond is the only way to go if your truly looking to eliminate the possibility of rust epoxy the panel inside and out spi is my go to leave the area of the pinch weld bare coat it with panel bond covering all bare metal clamp it together and bam
@01stroker156 жыл бұрын
MrFireman164 nice shop by the way was checking out some more vids
@MrFireman1646 жыл бұрын
01stroker yes and I have done that with newer vehicles but as you know panel bond is still a bit controversial and not totally accepted in structural repairs , rocker panels are a very structural part of a vehicle so I can promise you my plug welds are way stronger that panel bond , next time after you panel bond a panel together and let it cure , take a simple heat gun and watch it pop apart with almost no effort, that won’t happen with a plug welded panel .
@MrFireman1646 жыл бұрын
01stroker thanks
@brianpitt5428 Жыл бұрын
so ........ no conclusion then ?
@MrFireman164 Жыл бұрын
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@mustangsally3664 жыл бұрын
Can you do my Mustang
@MrFireman1644 жыл бұрын
Mustang Sally I would love to
@mustangsally3664 жыл бұрын
My email foxbodygt350@gmail.com please email
@pawpatina6 жыл бұрын
the video and the comments.... sooooooo many wrong ASSUMPTIONS. and I'm ok with that, BUT when people act like they are right about their guess and everyone else is wrong... shame.
@MrFireman1646 жыл бұрын
WaynesWorkVlog I need you to make a vid showing the right way , like I said in the vid this is opinion.
@mWaffen5 жыл бұрын
Weld thru Primer: Quote: "I hate the stuff." Now, you are going to do a test of a product. Note: Do everybody a favor go back to 3rd grade and complain to your teacher that you stopped learning at the end of the 3rd grade.
@MrFireman1645 жыл бұрын
m782427 Waffen wow , did your mommy not hug you enough as a child , so angry and judgmental...
@lostintime86517 жыл бұрын
too long
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
lostintime86 a guy with an opinion... that almost never happens
@lostintime86517 жыл бұрын
nah. You must be really special if 2700 people watched a video that should be 10 minutes long for 1/2 an hour. just saying they need to get a life. so, did it pass the test? lol
@MrFireman1647 жыл бұрын
lostintime86 I'm pretty special lol , no water got in where the weld thru burned away and started forming rust