Little did he know it was his ancestors

It’s 8am and I’m 70% sure that my fam heard me laugh across the house

Gonna need a source on that, since it sounds made up.

Do you know, by chance, the name of this monk or a source of such anecdote?

Franks😂😒😅

BS

​@@thadtuiol1717not really. You don't need an elaborate conversation. Just basic words which are very much resembling Latin. Latin knowing travellers in the medieval times also wrote about this.

Most surprising part isn’t the Latin it’s that he drove through Romania without his car being stolen

@@Chungus581 I think he said it happened in the 60s. 😁

@thadtuiol1717 There's a dude on KZfaq who tests his Latin in Romania and in Italy....see for yourself. It's not perfect, of course, but it works. But sure, deny what is clearly PLAUSIBLE....

I compared them. Yes it has roots in latin but i still believe they are extremely different

Its the most similar to latin but certainly not similar per se.

what? the senate existed and convened in 400 and for hundreds of years after

Muslims were and are experts at destroying local cultures most of the time, especially womens past contributions to non mvzlimz societies.

Wow. That’s fascinating

There are a few hints about African Romance, for instance it seems to have its vowels match up with Sardinian. Unlike other forms of Latin it seems that the C is still the K sound rather than CH or S. as well as Berber loan words.

Roman Morocco was never really that romanized to begin with in order to sustain a native latin community for long after the roman withdrawal. The province was small and always very militarized. although there were very romanized communities and roman veterans did settle there, they were quite few (around 9-10 major ones) and far between. The last latin inscriptions date from the mid 600s (a few decades before arabs arrive) in Volubilis, and by then it had mostly been settled by berber tribes moving in from the south so they would probably have spoken berber if the arabs had´nt arrived. Romance might have survived but it would have been a small minority language amongst a multitude of berber languages, maybe similar to dalmatian romance in croatia or the aromanians in greece. A huge factor in the decline of romance (and which is actually mentioned by prokopius) was the byzantine reconquest of the vandal north african kingdom. Millions of peoples actually died (probably most of them romance speaking) due to the war and famine with the vandals and later drawn out war with berber kingdoms that lasted decades. The byzantines even destroyed the mauro-roman kingdom without even occupying its vast territory in western algeria which basically was a huge vestige of the legacy of the western roman empire in north africa, so i think that should also be taken into account. Decline of romance happened way before arabs even came to north Africa.

I watched a video about the lost language you're talking about (a language I like to refer to as _Afromance_ or _Afromanian)_ but I forget the channel name. Anyway, St. Augustine of Hippo had written something before the Vandals had come to loot and steal, and apparently yes, that guy @Liethen is actually correct about what he said. It was also noted that unlike most Romance languages, the C's kept a K sound, so even though their word for "hundred" is the exact same as Italian and Spanish, "Cento", it would've been pronounced "kento", not "chento" or "sento".

spanish is bad latin and italian is bad spanish as we in Germania Magna say

Vulgar Latin speakers still would have used the genitive for quite some time the preposition de was used alongside it until it fully replaced it. Romanian still has a Genitive today and some of the Old Romance languages sometimes used a prepositionless possessive eg Old French in the Oaths of Strasbourg saying "Pro Deo amur" with the oblique ending implying possession without the use of de. But it seems this weird prepositionless expression only survived in Old italo-Romance and Old Gallo Romance languages. Some Italo Romance languages in Apulia still do it.

@@kleinweichkleinweich What do you say about French then? 😂

Same in italian, "Marco mi da il libro", basically the same indeed

@@bellicapelli8155 Yeah, I studied some Italian, and I have a basic understanding of it. It's very similar to Spanish. My goal is to one day visit Italy. I usually tell my brothers that Italian to Spanish is like that one cousin you rarely see but once you do it's like you're always together.

Because Heraclius the loser wanted the eastern Roman empire to be Greek and has a unified official language and religion

No, that "loser" as you call him, a man who saved Rome from near destruction, was merely recognising a reality that had long been in place. Greek was the lingua franca in the East, had been for centuries. Ever heard of a guy called Alexander? Or the Diadochi? @@baha3alshamari152

@@baha3alshamari152 The hellenization of the Eastern Roman Empire started under emperor Theodosius II after he married Aelia Eudocia,a greek from Athens. Anastasius I wanted to finish the hellenization but he faced the revolt of Vitalianus from Moesia Inferior. Justinus I and Justinianus II reversed the process for a while.

@@baha3alshamari152Herakleios the Greay

Greek language became popular amongst elites even during the Republic days. It was said Julius Ceasar preferred speaking it instead of Latin

Because they had no continuity with Romans, though influenced by them.

The sheer number of people who call themselves Roman princes, or tried to base their authority on Rome, is absolutely insane. I think there are a whole bunch of Asian rulers called Khan after the Mongols, even if they aren’t at all Mongol themselves.

I love learning how Latin evolved. I learned French in high school, and learned Latin about a decade after that, along with some other Romance languages.. It's super interesting how Latin becomes Gallo-Romance becomes French, or Latin becomes Ibero-Romance becomes Spanish and Portuguese. Anca la lenga Dalmata es bun.

You can add Germany and Russia to the list, they wouldn't have existed without Roman influence.

They aren’t associated with them. The direct continuation is with the Eastern Romans. Who your ancestors called Byzantine’s to dispossess them of their own heritage.

The official language used in the Hungarian Diet was Latin up until 1844

@@varbalvarbalConsidering that barely half of the inhabitants of the Hungary of that period were native Magyar speakers, that was a wise choice!

Herr Eintracht ich bin completamente de acuerdo mit vous 🎉

Are you Canadian?

@@perceivedvelocity9914 No. Originally from Colorado. She taught public school in a small southern Colorado mining town.

@@DeanStephen Here in Europe, only kids attending either the Ateneum or Gymnasium learn Classical languages. ~These are elite state schools~

@@ariebrons7976 My grandmother taught some of the poorest kids in the state, but that little town had a high achievement rate for sure.

It was Vatican 2 oh Vatican 2, do whatever you want to do, that’s the spirit of Vatican 2 - do whatever you want to do.

French has a terrible phonetic system, way too many silent letters

I need to go look up linguistic termanology. The technical words got me, not my area of knowledge. Vocative, accusative, ablative, genative, dative ect, I have a vague understanding of them. But it seemed interesting and I followed the second half of what you said. Languages can change in strange ways. It is not surprising that when words are regularly misused or pronounced differently that the meaning drifts to something else. There are some strange instances where mishearings of words are taken to be other words and written as such. In English a common recent change I see online is the mishearing is 'have' being shortend to 'av' and being heard and written by others as 'of'. I wonder how long it will be before that becomes the accepted term of use. Languages do seem to be constantly drifting and never in a crystalised form for the most part.

@@gm2407 Pretty much yeah.

Super interesting, thanks for explaining that in depth 👍

I am the one who has to thank you Kimberly, thanks again for your generous support of the channel and for all your excellent comments over the last months. It is really heartwarming for me to see that there are so many people who share this same fascination and love for the history of antiquity and especially of late antiquity. And especially since most of the audience on the channel is male, I am of course especially happy that the content also resonates with women. Thanks again for your support and all the best, Sebastian

As a classics major (albeit from twenty years ago) I can assure you and this KZfaqr that I knew many female classicists. One of the best writers I read in college was Averil Cameron.

Why did former emperor Marcus Aurelius, a native of the city of Rome, write his own personal diary in Greek 400 years before Maurice? His diary wasn't intended for publication so this is pretty strong evidence that Greek was his preferred language and most likely his mother tongue.

⁠@@savvageorgeMarcus Aurelius was a stoic philosopher emperor. He was born in Rome so the odds that he spoke Greek first is beyond slim. If that were true he’d had been raised by a Greek teacher and everyone around him would be ok with him learning Latin as a second language (rather than prioritize it for a proper Roman education). He revered the ancient Greeks and probably hoped to lead by example but he learned Greek whether young or old. It’s possible he viewed it as the Civilized Language rather than Latin considering its predominance and continuing legacy through late antiquity. But I’d bet money he spoke Latin first and learned Greek over time. Then with a proper education for speaking and writing it he made his own diary. Perhaps he wrote it in Greek so Latin-speakers-only couldn’t read what he wrote but only the highest educated. Edit: a closer comparison to Marcus Aurelius is Emperor Julian rather than Maurice.

@@LordWyatt Hard to know for certain what his first language was. The teacher of Marcus Aurelus in Rome was a Greek called Apollonius of Chalcedon so if it wasn't his mother tongue I think at the very least he learnt Greek from a young age.

@@savvageorgeI agree.

I'm from the Philippines, I speak Bisaya as a first language, Tagalog as second but I prefer to write in English. For context, Bisaya would be the local language. Tagalog is the language of administration. English is the language of Science and the Arts. I very much imagine this is exactly how it also went if you were say a local berber in Africa.

Yes, but a lot of Greek in Modern English didn’t come from Roman times, but in the Renaissance.🙂

Thanks a lot :) Excellent observation with the English, indeed, the influence of Latin is always fascinating, and astounding. The Romans really live on in our language as well.

Just waiting for a Greek person to show up and protest that stat.

I’ve heard English described as the “most Latinized Germanic language” and French as the “most Germanized Latin/Romance language”.

Modern English contains more Greek than Germanic words, too. What a mishmash English is!

This Greek person won’t contest that stat., but I did add something about Greek in Modern English🙂@@DrRomaioi

Y porqué hay que que traducir al anglosajón? 😢el anglosajón no tiene nada de la gracia necesaria para hacer traducciones, en cambio el LATÍN es completamente válido para hacerse entender mundialmente 😅

It's not so simple. If command of standard Latin talked to status and earnings ... Also, English speaking countries today understand each other very well despite regional variations and not seeming to stop.

Thanks a lot Charles, for your kind and generous donation for Maiorianus, I really appreciate it very much

That probably has to do with the geography considering Wales and the highlands of Scotland are very mountainous and thus were more stubborn in being assimilated by peoples like the Anglo-Saxons, Romans and the later English. Whereas modern France is flatter and thus easier to control and assimilate.

Fascinating indeed! There are some evidence pointing to Gaulish still being spoken in some remote areas up until the 1000’s. But it barely left any trace in the French language. On the other hand, why isn’t there a Romance language from Brittano Romans? Latin was well established there, and yet…

Because late invaders came from the east, and didn't reached Wales.

​@@PurpleFogMusicThere was a Britano-Roman Latin dialect as well as a North African Latin dialect, but the Anglo-Saxons as well as remaining Celts in Britain ended this language. The North African Latin was completely replaced by Arabic during the Muslim expansion.

@@jaredvaleRight. But those Celts were Latinized during the Roman days, weren't they? What made them revive their Celtic language after the Roman withdrawal, when in the mainland it just wasn't a thing? Or had they been less Romanized all along?

Well for Alexandria, the Greek alphabet survived in a form when it fused with the Coptic script. That's why it looks so familiar yet so simultaneously different. Probably something similar happened in many of the regions of the Levant, where the script and loan words of Greek were incorporated into the native language. Naturally, the Islamic conquests brought the assimilation (both forced and voluntary) of the languages to Arabic. As for why the Turks didn't adopt the Greek script, well that's a rather interesting question.

Hi, I am learning a bit from time to time, from the book "Linguana per se Illustrata". But my level is really embarrassing XD

I’m learning Latin at the University of Michigan, I’m also using Per Illustrata, and I would highly recommend Introduction to Latin by Susan C. Shelmerdine. It’s not very fun like Per Illustrata, but it’s straight to the point and has lots of examples

you're not Italian? what the​@@Maiorianus_Sebastian

Thanks a lot for your kind donation

It'a even more similiar if you compare Spanish to vulgar Latin.

$5.00 a month is too much?

@@guadalupe8589Yeah, when that is about all you have in your bank account at the end of every month thanks to debt and child support. Not everybody has expendable cash.

​@@guadalupe8589 Sometimes it is, man. Don't judge.

Same with German. In school, I had lessons on Medieval German, the teacher presented some Medieval texts and songs. It was a totally different language, unrecognizeable even to native German speakers.

And tank you SIr, for this kind donation, I really appreciate it very much :)

Is this not true of Italian, French, Occitan, or Romania?

@@WinterascentI don't know, I don't know how to speak Occitan or Romanian but I can understand some Italian and Portuguese just by knowing Spanish. As a Spanish speaker French is completely twisted, I cannot understand it at all

And very handsome

Really, that's actually him? Not stock footage?

Thats true and its probably because of the Church and the Normans, though it can't be ruled out that the Latin speakers in the Romano-British cities might have contributed some of the words to Old English, though this is hard to prove.

Also the Norman invasion brought the French spoken by William the conqueror. About 1/3 of English is the indirect Latin from this French infusion.

Or Greek!

The Roman elite were heavily Hellenised. Senators spoke Greek to each other like how English aristocrats spoke medieval Anglo-Norman French (until 1400 in parliament). Many Roman senators were encouraged to move to 'Nova Roma' to participate in its equivalent council. The 'Byzantine' senate continued until the 1300s. Constantinople was similar in character e.g. it's own hippodrome like the Circus Maximus. Furthermore all free born were legally Roman after the expansion of citizenship under Emperor Caracalla in 212. Lastly much of this fused cultural character produced the modern greek identity today, throw in greek orthodox Christianity for good measure too. Greeks (especially those from Asia minor ) identified as 'Rhomoi' until the late 19th century. To paraphrase a quote by Horace, 'Greece captured the heart of its captor.'

Actually Rome was part of the Eastern Empire for several hundred years when Justinian reconquered Italy. They only lost it later. There was a time when Rome wasn't even the Capital of the any incarnation of the Empire, before the East and West split Constantinople at one time was the only capital. Even when the East--West split occurred the West had Ravenna as their capital not Rome. The Eastern Empire at it's largest ruled over North Africa, the Balkans, Italy, parts of Spain, which all had Latin speaking subjects. You do know that also the Roman elite in the late Roman Republic times spoke Greek to as an elite language amongst themselves and spoke Latin when dealing with the general public right?

Also, you need to understand that as the empire evolved, the idea that all things resolved around Rome the city diminished. Caracalla made every free man in the empire a citizen, which diminished the need to physically affiliate with the city like Roman citizens of old. Also many emperors spent a huge chunk of their administration on campaign and only really went to Rome as an act of formality. By the time the crisis of the third century ended, the capital was where the emperor was. This becomes apparent with Diocletian, who I think only visited Rome once and chose to spend most of his reign in his villa in modern day Croatia.

A town rarely mentioned is Rhodes, we know where the walls was and there are structures all within, its a massive area. Larger than some cities with huge population estimates, we also know Rhodes was powerful with a strong navy. Yet some claim they maybe had 50k people, I think at its hight likely 3-4 times more. There is such a lack of description about some of the large cities in the agean and asia minor. Ephesus and Smyrna is mentioned a lot but there was likely a bunch of towns just as large, and perhaps all the way until the arab raids. Ive been to many greek island and found remains of towns, where its suggested they all were abandoned in the arab raids. Couldnt live along the coast anymore in Greece and anatolia after Egypt and the middle east fell. This is so underrated for the further decline of Eastern Rome, where these coastal large cities where replaced with smaller fortified settlements inland. This must have disturbed trade and roman life. I wish we knew more of this period, a lot of romans were prob killed and enslaved sadly. I wonder where eastern Rome would have gone.. Just imagine, Rhodes town went from being a large metro to a small fort. prob 250k to 20k peoples. And this same across most islands and towns in the regions, massive impact.

No worries brother, thank you for your kind donation, I appreciate it even more, knowing that your finances are like WRE's finances after 400 AD XD

Not only in Germany, but in Gaul and Iberia as well (albeit maybe not in all regions)

Because there were no Latin speaking people left Balkan was overrun and Asia minor was mostly greek speaking area

@@lilestojkovicii6618 Thank you for the answer!

That’s why those two languages are so similar😊😊

@@gordonpi8674 No, it's that their laws were in Latin.

@@fantasia55 they sound similar