So say like England...

0:27 you mean like living in England today ? We actually romanticise our founders. We absolutely love Alfred and the Wessex House. And everything he’s done and represented amd represents for England

Anstatt videos über die spätrömische Ziwilisation oder über generell Rom zu machen, drehe eher videos über die sehr altrömische Ziwilisation, unzwar die sieben Könige während der Zeit vor der Republik! Das ist ein sehr interessantes und unerforschtes Niche! Instead of continuing to make material about late the roman civilization or going mainstream Roman, make videos about the very early roman civilization, ie the seven kings etc. This is a very interesting yet almost unreasearched topic which will make you stand out from the rest of the Rome geeks!

England moment

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problem with audiences is that they expect the extraordinary out of the "heroes" or "main characters" without historical context. Hollywood does just that. ppl want to see FICTION on the big screen, not cruel real history. seeing late roman troops wearing smth less appealing than the famous Lorica Segmentata means wasted ticket money. the truth often is left for documentaries. these days, thx to Netflix, they too are romanticized and politicized. "Truth" being removed from the scope of the project.

I've heard it's cause they reuse that segmentata and it's simply like expensive to do it. With their budgets and being a nerd, I say that's a shltty excuse!

@@tannerdenny5430 the BBC depicted early republic and late roman armor properly in the rise and fall series. if they could not sure why big studios today can't.

This is true. But it needs to be made easy to identify and make.

@@tannerdenny5430 True. Even LARPists often make better costumes than big budget TV shows.

Still or again?

@@muscledavis5434again, it’s really awesome though, it’s on every government infrastructure

Does Rome still have a senate?

@@FreedomForever2010I am the senate.

​@@FreedomForever2010there is a city council that has a pretty roman meeting place,same as the ancient one iirc

Interesting.. Uninterrumpted use, or revived sometime?

@@BernasLL If it was revived, they did decades ago and made it the official motto.

It would be cool if they added the wolf onto the coat of arms of the City of Rome. Is it a bit cheesy? Sure I suppose, but it would be a nice heritage factor to add it regardless.

@@boilingwateronthestove Google up "Lupa Capitolina". That statue is the city's official symbol.

Even the very flag of modern day city of Rome is SPQR on a dark red background

Gods*

@@Texasmade74- Late Romans were generally Christian, hence "God" (I doubted for a second myself).

​@LuisAldamiz *God and God's son who is not God but was still a pretty great guy. #notallheresies. Lmao

@@iivin4233- LOL, you are the heretic here: EVERYTHING IS GOD, by definition. NATURE IS GOD.

@@iivin4233 just God

Greek states begin as despotic kingdoms giving way to vibrant democracies, producing politicians such as Alcibiades and Pericles, as well as great philosophers such as the platonists and pre-Socratics. Playwrights like Homer, the Thebans, and Aeschylus flourished. Then they heroically defended their culture against the Persians and succeeded, then they fought a massive civil war (Peloponnesian War) which destroyed that culture (to some extent), and gave way to a more despotic period (Hellenistic Age). Rome began as a despotic kingdom, giving way to a vibrant democracy which produced great politicians like Cincinnatus and Lucius Junius Brutus, great philosophers like Cicero and Philodemus, writers like Seneca and Virgil. Then, they fought a brutal war to preserve their culture against the Carthaginians and won. Then, they devolved into a period of massive civil wars, destroying their culture (to some extent), and giving way to a more despotic period (the Principate).

Greece was such a beacon of arts and science in those days, eh.

The cycle of civilization

@@jackhallander6706 "vibrant" LOL!

​@@jackhallander6706 Pericles was an imperialist who dragged Athens into the pointless and destructive Peloponnesian wars -- which weakened the Greek city-states and gave more leeway to Persian influence -- and Alcibiades was a decadent man who played paramour with the State. Well, about the caliber of politician you should expect from bread and circus-run states that democracies are.

I remember learning the '-que' suffix in Latin class and thinking this was a very cool feature of the language.

Same

Gradually faded until one meeting, the members decided there was no point in any more.

The answer lies in the question. The Senate's end is obscure because the Senate had become obscure and pointless, and not even suddenly but over several centuries. The Senate you're referring to as this thing of heroic legend (and later great political intrigue) hadn't been around for hundreds of years by the time the formal institution ceased to be. So in that regard, who would really care to document the exact details of its end--it didn't matter and hadn't matter for generations by the point it occurred.

Yes, great question. I imagine they were a little envious.

they would need time travel but i think the byzantine castles and Armor would be very impressive to romans from 500 bc even if the society is less than ideal

@@belstar1128 compared to iconic Classical Roman architecture and the world-famous early Roman "lorica segmentata" armor? I hardly think so.

@@cathyf.2672why would they be envious of degenerates who ruin their empire?

​​​@@ThomasBarth-gr1sz you say that like a Eastern Roman army under Belisarius couldn't crush a late republic army twice it's size led by Caesar. Hell, he'd do it on a shoestring budget with little casualties. I'm not underestimating Caesar, it's just that the army Belisarius would lead would have been superior in most, if not all, ways, due to being half a millennium more advanced in tech, tactics, and doctrine. It'd be like having Caesar face off against a Macedonian army led by Alexander, but even worse. It'd be even worse with a late Komnenian golden age army, Caesar would learn what the Gauls, Britons, and Germans felt facing him.

BC= Backwards Chronology AD= Ascending Dates Easiest way for a secular usage of BC/AD.

CE was very common in the east of Germany before the reunification. Maybe he is from there?

Jesus was born around 5 BC so using BC and AD doesn't have that much sense anyway

I think its a form of political correctness perhaps? I think this because i observed some people getting sensitive about this issue a lot for varying reasons.

@@paulmayson3129 As someone from a former communist state, BCE/CE seems like a terminology that the communists would've invented. It's a shame that western countries have adopted this style of thinking.

How is that worse, this is the plain truth

Isn't Kheomeini the latest hero of Iran?

@@literallynothinghere9089 Iranian nationalists are often pro the ancient Mazdaist tradition, and hence the spiritual enemies of Islam.

Is there a consensus among Iranians that their nation suffered a great disaster with the rise of Islam, or is the view more mixed?

​@@Burgermeister1836From the ones I know it is mixed but almost everyone would tell you it would have been favourable if Persians kept ruling Persia even if Muslim

There is a portuguese Chanel too he just uses Ai voice and uses exactly the same video

@@franciscofunari2343 How sad they have to be to steal his work. PLEASE HELP LET HIM KNOW.

The scorge of the world. This trend can now use AI voice too, to make it worse..

What “trend” can now use AI voice, too? The AI trend…? @@dusk6159

This is normal. Time to accept it. The western understanding of 'owning words' that has only existing for around 200 will end. It was a blip in history. Foreign concept to eastern cultures. Who can own words? No one. A perversion of property rights to include the owning of language and words.

They viewed them as their own forefathers. There’s an old tale about a Greek soldier arriving in a remote village on the island of Lemnos after it had been seized from the Ottoman Empire in 1912. When the children came out to see him, the soldier asked “what are you looking at?” A child replied “I want to see what a Greek looks like” to which the soldier retorted “but you and everyone on this island are all Greeks” and the child said “we’re not Greeks, we are Romans”

​@@aidanwotherspoon905I've heard that before the war of independence all Greeks in general referred to themselves as Romans, not just some islanders

​@Bolognabeef Yeah and even before the war of independence, every person who was greek orthodox was called rum in the ottoman empire. Even after the fall of Constantinople the Roman identity while somewhat evolved still remained intact.

Michael Attaleiates devoted entire book(chapter)of his history to comparation of classical ancient Romans and those of his time.Several Authors were interrested in ancient Roman history some more than others,including emperors,some of which aspired on things like being new Marcus Aurelius or Trajan or had written Roman histories compiled for them.

Like being in the UK nowadays - walking past closed down swimming pools and libraries. We used to have dentists! Just imagine that.

@@loopernoodling so sad. USA here NEW JERSEY

California…. All of it

I live in one. England

Not really. Egypt exists, but modern Egyptians can't even speak the language.

Oh you mean the Greek Empire? 😈

I initially assumed “what did late Eastern Romans think of the ancient empire” but I suppose the video title is referring to the entire empire. Maybe he focused more on western though… but by that logic, why not discuss what late North African or Egyptian Romans thought of the ancient empire, or what did late Iberians think of the ancient republic?

@@specialnewb9821Micheal Attaleiates made very direct comparation of Romans of his time with classical ancient Romans,he devoted entire chapter of his history to that very subject.

In 11th century Michael Attaleites devoted entire chapter to comparation of classical ancient Romans with those of his own time.Several other Authors of 6th century often do Comparations-Johannes Lydos,Anonymous author of Political dialogue,Evagrius Scholasticus who do so in confrontation of Zosimus and also Procopius occassionaly makes such comparations.

THIS. they’re the true late Romans, like even more 1000 years on the clock 💅

Not always and there are many situations when it is warranted. Look at working class and lower middle class opportunities in Western Europe. You can no longer save money and get a house anymore unless your parents inherit you one. I'm fortunate in that part but so many of my generation aren't.

Nobody would look back at the Dark Ages with nostalgia. I don't think anyone would look back at these last few years with nostalgia either.

@@bubblelyte401 well, those few profiteering from it

It really sucks that the future will be so shitty people will long for the 2020s.

That is not true though. People are only nostalgic to good times. There aren't many German people nostalgic for the 1940s, or Ukrainian people to the 1930s, or Irish people to the 1840s. And after the Western empire fell, many nations tried to emulate it and call themselves the 'New Rome', but none of them wanted to emulate the times of Honorius.

The Christains burnt down Constantinople, burned down Alexandria and the "pagan" libraries, and even tortured the pious and great pagan Hypatia. And on and on until today. Yeah, your thoughts about Christianity being destructive is correct, history backs this up.

If you think about it the Romans killed Jesus so....hilarious vengeance

Please note that British history starts in 1707 with the Acts of Union uniting the kingdoms of Scotland and England\Wales. Before that date there is no British history. "England" and "Britain" are not interchangeable terms. Also as a proud Celt I note that the territory now labelled as "England" was inhabited entirely by Celts long before the Anglo-Saxons arrived. And the Romans called the entire island Britannia.

I agree. The science is quite clear , all Britons are pretty much the same. It's just that especially on the continent people use England/ Britain interchangeably.

Well the gap from Rome in 400 AD to the time of Caesar is the same as the gap from modern Britain to the Jacobean era in England, which is kind of wild when you think about it

England was not formed in 1066 by William after the Norman conquest. It was united into a single polity by King Aethelstan in 927. I think it is more accurate to say that England has been a single continuous state since then. The Norman conquest changed the ruling dynasty, and introduced new governmental practices. But it was still very much the same kingdom it had been under the Anglo-Saxon kings, just with new rulers. The official name of the state changed with union with Scotland in 1707, and various changes with Wales and Ireland since. But, from the English perspective, the system of state is continuous back to Aethelstan. I agree with the first commenter who says that it would be more proper to refer to how the English consider their history than how the British do however. It looks quite different from elsewhere in the Union. I also don’t think that the comparison between how we current English might look back at Empire and how late Romans might have done quite holds. Empire was more a phase for us, disappearing into the past, while the state continues on as ever. The situation was quite different from Rome, where the centre of power had moved away from the original City State of Rome centuries earlier. It was an Empire until it crumbled. I think the concept of being an imperial state would have been far more central to them than it is to us today (despite the delusion of some who seem to think we are still an imperial level power).

@@brianmulrennan1845although you’re right, you’re a very, very boring person. You know what he meant. Being right on paper doesn’t always make you better; sometimes it makes you a bell end

Rome is young compared to the antiquity of Egypt 6,000 BC, Afghanistan 3300 BC, and India 3000 BC.

@@cathyf.2672 Modern egypt and afghanistan are completely disconnected from their ancient past.

@@TwizzElishusEgypt did have a national identity, Afghanistan and india absolutely didn’t though not even close.

@@cathyf.2672any with culture?

If you think that debate's on the decline, you haven't been paying attention.

@@lordfarquaad8601 You don't know what country he's from, maybe he's lucky.

It’s obviously UK. Debate is stronger than ever, just not publicly. The legacy media won’t show the views of your every day man because it doesn’t fit their narrative. People are sick.

Isn't it more correctly pronounced "Chesar?"

​@@lordfarquaad8601...no?

I think both the pronuciation of ae as "ai" from kaiser and "e" from cheddar are fine. In latin class I learnt that ae is pronounced e

I believe he is focusing on late Roman rather than late republic.

@@richardlindquist5936 : You're likely right. The late Western Roman Empire is a compelling period.

Very good question ! I will make a video about it :)

Thank you for your kind donation Isaac, I really appreciate it :) Yes, Vegetius was biased against the late Roman army, but possibly he had a romantiziced vision when thinking about the early Roman army. And he erroneously blamed the late Roman army for the losses against the germanics, when in fact, it was just bad military commanders like Valens.

Feel like modern European countries could learn a lot from your first sentence.

The K sound is classical latin pronounciation, such as in the time of Caesar himself. The soft C is from ecclesiastical latin and commonly used in anglicised probounciation.

Caesar in classical times (1st century BC - 1st century AD) was pronounced [KAESAR] with hard C and AE=AE: E as in the name "Esther" not as I. From the 2nd century AD the pronunciation changed and became [Tʃ ESAR] with soft C and AE=E

@@alexsmith965 Thank you very much for the answer. I did not know it changed over time! Learned something new today!

@@malarobo Thank you for your answer! So the maker of the video spoke the names correct for the times they lived in? Kaesar would also explain the German Kaiser.

@perseus274 Thank you. That´s how I knew it too, his Kaesar made me think. But it seems it was pronounced that way earlier in history, I had no idea.

It was nothing, don't fret it. Thank you for providing the slave manpower for free. Salve.