What Happened To The Derbyshire?

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In this video, we take a look at what happened to the Derbyshire. She was the biggest ship ever to have been lost flying the British flag.
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@capspread 2 жыл бұрын

I was the Radio Officer on a sister ship to the Derbyshire - Sir Alexander Glen - 11 months after it sank and we had loaded Iron Ore in Canada heading to Kashima in Japan. We were also heading into a Typhoon. But we diverted to avoid going through the eye of the storm. A fault in the ship's structure between the accommodation and Cargo holds with cracks starting to appear. It happened on all the sister ships. I was convinced for years that was the cause of Derbyshire sinking. I took some film during the storm whilst on board.

@CasualNavigation 2 жыл бұрын

That must have been a hard trip to make given the Derbyshire still hadn't been found then

@capspread 2 жыл бұрын

@@CasualNavigation Tbh No one knew why the Derbyshire had sank, other than very bad weather. I had a Junior Radio Officer so we were able to get weather reports 24/7. The problem with the bulkhead 65(?) only started on that voyage, otherwise I think everyone onboard would have been very apprehensive. I flew home in Japan and the Junior R/O got promotion & took over from me. I do have a video of that trip on my channel.

@Gubbinsmcbumbersnoot 2 жыл бұрын

@@capspread I’m gonna go watch that video now

@TheHorsebox2 2 жыл бұрын

I remember a documentary on British television at the time. Apparently, the Derbyshire creaked and groaned so badly, at least one crew member disembarked at a port en route. He likened the sound to a baby crying.

@MrTarmonbarry 2 жыл бұрын

I sailed on the Sir Alex , 1/9/75 to 19/2/76 , small world . There was a documentary about that fault , the lateral beams were originally meant to carry on into the engine room area but because of the pump house or something they altered things and they stopped at the front of the housing . Was she still being managed by Houlder Bros when you were on her ??

@NPC_-mf4dw 2 жыл бұрын

The loss of the Derbyshire is so eerie. I always tried to imagine how it must have been for the people inside the ships. The incident happening at night, most were asleep in their quarters, including 2 wifes of crewmen. There's a good chance the whole vessel was underwater before the accommodation area was even flooded, meaning they went down like a submarine... with no pressure hull. In complete darkness, surrounded by hellish noises of creaking, bending and breaking metal, and ear-deafening water rushing in everywhere. Horrible. May they rest in peace...

@Lightdasher360 2 жыл бұрын

I like your explanation, really puts things into perspective. This is nightmarish and it's really sad that those on-board had to live and die through it.

@mgmg116 2 жыл бұрын

Read The Perfect Storm by Sebastian Junger. There are survivor stories from shipwrecks that go into extensive detail about what it's like, even people who came back from the brink of drowning

@NPC_-mf4dw 2 жыл бұрын

@@mgmg116 I only saw the movie but of course, as usual, it does not hold up I bet. I remember a case from just a few years back of a man being rescued from the inside of a sunken and capsized fishing vessel, I believe. There is video footage of the rescue diver finding him sitting in an air bubble. He kept himself alive with, I might remember that wrong, a few cans of pop or similar. He was extraordinary lucky! I mean what are the odds the ship sinks in a manner that a) you will have an air bubble, b) it is not too deep so you can survive/get rescued and c) there is actually a non-hull-compromising way into your air bubble so you can make it out. Just found the video again, so amazing. The diver and operator are both completely surprised as well, expecting only bodies of course. At one point the operator even mumbles that he's got no idea what to do now. xD kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kLaqa9Cpr7S0mGw.html

@mgmg116 2 жыл бұрын

@@NPC_-mf4dw Yeah, the movie starts off strong but suffers at the halfway point and just gets worse, in my opinion. The book is more of a journalistic account talking about the fishing industry as a whole, along with weather, how waves form, what drowning is like, etc. And yeah, I did hear about that. Absolutely insane, that poor dude must have had no hope of rescue, probably thought he'd never see his family again. I wouldn't wish a fate like that on anyone

@drgunsmith4099 2 жыл бұрын

It’s almost to much to even think about what they went through, I just hope it was quick 🙏

@baileywright1656 2 жыл бұрын

I have seen a few things on the Derbyshire, but this was the first one that talked about the different quadrants of a storm. Thanks for the interesting info!

@CasualNavigation 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bailey. Glad you liked this one

@MrNicoJac 2 жыл бұрын

@@CasualNavigation Yeah, you guys always add some tidbit of special knowledge that Google/Wikipedia wouldn't have bothered with. It makes this channel really special 🥰

@benwilson6145 2 жыл бұрын

Before you get so self righteous maybe go and look at some of the circumstances missed in this video. Go look at Typhoon Orchids track and see how many loops it took. The enquiry specifically at the question of Ship Routeing and the role the loss of the Derbyshire. I have the utmost respect for armchair hindsight experts. Not.

@NPC_-mf4dw 2 жыл бұрын

Same here, actually. Good info indeed.

@jacksonlarson6099 2 жыл бұрын

@@benwilson6145 The hell are you on about?

@SGobuck 2 жыл бұрын

The fact that this ship was so close to its destination after such a long journey is tragic in itself. Very similar to what happened to the Fitzgerald.

@porkfat5521 2 жыл бұрын

Very similar.

@zaptor1514 2 жыл бұрын

Same cargo.

@jenniferstewarts4851 2 жыл бұрын

With a load of iron ore twenty-six thousand tons more Than the Edmund Fitzgerald weighed empty That good ship and true was a bone to be chewed When the gales of November came early

@ottavva 2 жыл бұрын

Fitzgerald of the Great Lakes

@dsauce8780 2 жыл бұрын

@@jenniferstewarts4851 bone chilling tune

@iaincatto6241 2 жыл бұрын

I'm a merchant navy officer. The story of the Derbyshire is taught as a matter of course during training, as well as the poor build quality of OBOs and bulk carriers from the 70s and 80s.

@jenniferstewarts4851 2 жыл бұрын

Here in Canada its the Edmond Fitzgerald, she went down November 10, 1975. It was suspected that hatch covers broke loose during a storm on the lake, with wave heights reaching 25 feet, and wave harmonics creating 46' monsters... the ships cargo deck went awash several times.. its funny, most "ocean going" Captains and sailors laugh at the idea of serious threats from storms on lakes... and don't realize, that these lakes in Canada are actually fresh water seas. one lake alone is 31,700 sq mi, put into context, thats about 2000 square miles larger then Panama... The entire country. yes, you could fit the entire panama canal, + the rest of the country, in 1 of our lakes... and still have room

@MrTarmonbarry 2 жыл бұрын

@@jenniferstewarts4851 Many people underestimate the sea ,period . It is not something to be taken lightly

@DylRicho 2 жыл бұрын

@@MrTarmonbarry Water in large volumes is very deceiving.

@MrTarmonbarry 2 жыл бұрын

@@DylRicho Not when you are being tossed about by it , you know it means business ))

@mnoxman 2 жыл бұрын

@@jenniferstewarts4851 not to mention it is fresh water so less buoyancy too. Superior also never gives up her dead. The SS Kamloops sank in 1927 in 79m of water. At least one body is still floating in the ship.

@noc1211 2 жыл бұрын

I remember watching a documentary ( _Mayday_ or _Seconds to Disaster_ or something like that) on the _Derbyshire_ back in the mid-2000s. Was chilling how the sinking went from gradual flooding over several hours to sudden death in minutes - by the time the crew realized something was wrong, they were already doomed. Poor bastards never stood a chance.

@lewisbons2503 2 жыл бұрын

Was it on DIscovery channel?

@noc1211 2 жыл бұрын

@@lewisbons2503 Quite likely, though it was way too long ago to remember for sure.

@rs2352 2 жыл бұрын

We will never know, but if the chain lockers and / or the focsle, and only having open boats, their fate was all but sealed....

@joycelampton170 2 жыл бұрын

I saw it on disaster at sea

@cbmeche3574 2 жыл бұрын

KZfaq search "Mayday 1999" - four episodes

@richardmillican7733 2 жыл бұрын

I worked as a Ships Agent and Operations Superintendent, we had 2 ships crossing the Bay of Biscay in Feb 1989. MV Orestia carrying 32000 Tonnes of Alumina and MV Anna Leonhardt carrying 3500 tonnes of Petcoke. Bound for Holyhead, North Wales. Both ships were within visual sight of each other. They were in a hurricane force gale. The Orestia witnessed the "Sudden Disappearence" of the Anna Leonhardt at the same time as having her (Orestia) Number 1 hatch cover punched in flooding the hold with seawater and contamination of the Alumina in the Number 1 hold. The Anna Leonhardt "punched" into a large swell and sank immediately, the crew, mainly German had no chance whatsoever. The Orestia "limped" to Holyhead, Down at the head (bow). It was the only "total loss" I've ever been involved with, I'd just turned 21 and it was my job to file the report to Lloyds of London.

@brocksamson3282 2 жыл бұрын

My uncle was an engineer on a super tanker. One day (like 40 or so years ago) they do a drill to test the life raft. They put sand bags in the raft to simulate passengers, and then lower the raft into the ocean. The raft snaps in two, and sinks. Drill complete, they return to normal duties.

@michaeldeere7009 2 жыл бұрын

Years ago I was a safety inspector, new to offshore, inspecting an oil platform in the North Sea. How many lifeboats do we have? 6. But I can only see 3. Ah that's because they are still on shore. Lets look at these then. No need because the engines don't work.

@katarishigusimokirochepona6611 Жыл бұрын

@@michaeldeere7009 And men wonder why we live shorter lives. Did you write them up?!

@peytonmac1131 Жыл бұрын

Wow. There was me thinking I would just sleep in the life raft if I worked on a ship.

@brawdyboy1 2 жыл бұрын

friend of mine was one of the crew on the derbyshire, the ship had sailed before he got back onboard.. he heard about it going missing while he was arranging to meet the ship when it docked. after this he never went to sea again.

@chdreturns 2 жыл бұрын

r/thathappened

@SoWhat1221 2 жыл бұрын

@@chdreturns Nothing ever happens.

@wcolby 2 жыл бұрын

I was on Okinawa for typhoon orchid, I have a single photo I took from my doorway, could not see the street in front of the house for the rain.

@alcasey6548 2 жыл бұрын

I was on board the SS Pollenger, about 300 miles away from the Derbyshire when she went down. What a storm that was. My first trip to sea!!

@tsm688 2 жыл бұрын

One hell of a storm when 300 miles is "nearby"!

@alcasey6548 2 жыл бұрын

@@tsm688 it certainly was. Pollenger was an LNG carrier, big dome tanks. We were empty and spent more than a day rolling 30 deg either side of upright. It was only the continuous clean of the oil filters on the turbo alternators that prevented one of them from tripping. And us sinking. 😳

@stephenpotts832 2 жыл бұрын

I was in the same storm on a bulk carrier sailing from Los Angeles to Taiwan. I remember seeing how our ship’s decks flexed, bending and twisting. As a young cadet I think that was the first time that I realised life is finite. We heard about the Derbyshire going missing before we reached Taiwan. One thing that may not be well known is that wife’s of crew members onboard and personnel ready to change out were waiting in Japan. I went back to college in South Shields and met one on the guys who was waiting in Japan. He said it was terrible as it became clear that the Derbyshire hand gone down and they all flew back to the U.K. Very sad. Serving most of my time on large bulk carriers and container ships, despite witnessing the storm, it was hard to understand how no one made it to the boats. Good and very sobering explanation.

@schiz0phren1c 2 жыл бұрын

Climbing aboard at your home dock... "THIS SHIP IS *MASSIVE!* sailing into a Typhoon... "we are a leaf bobbing into a waterfall!" Poor feckers, RIP Crewmembers and Captain of the Derbyshire!

@neymarjr_. 2 жыл бұрын

You really had to make a joke about it.

@MrTarmonbarry 2 жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nr9mltCEtLXHnoU.html

@callunas 2 жыл бұрын

I saw a documentary on the Derbyshire and it's always stuck with me. The way the bow began to sit lower and lower in the water, unnoticed, over days perhaps, until it reached the point that enough green water came over the bow and broke the first hatch and set off the chain reaction that sent the strip plunging down within minutes... truly haunting. Reminds me of the Edmund Fitzgerald, with the iron ore, storm and possible cargo hold flooding combination.

@MrTarmonbarry 2 жыл бұрын

They would have noticed her bow getting lower , hard to explain it but every time she dug her bow in it would go down to a certain point , as the bow got more filled it would have dug in deeper and the time it took for the bow to lift would be longer

@johnthomas2485 2 жыл бұрын

Pretty much what happened to the Edmond Fitzgerald

@MrTarmonbarry 2 жыл бұрын

@@johnthomas2485 Yes , very similar . Iron ore is about the worst cargo you can be carrying in this sort of situation , just a dead weight that is going to take you down very quickly. It was interesting to note the captains last message saying they had heavy swells , depending on the length of those swells it puts enormous strain on the structure

@randomrazr 2 жыл бұрын

@@MrTarmonbarry that should have been a sign that somethings wrong and prob should abandon ship

@MrTarmonbarry 2 жыл бұрын

@@randomrazr Abandoning ship in those conditions is not always possible for the reasons i have given in reply to your other comment . Its hard to explain exactly how those lifeboats and the mechanism works , i know it because i worked with them and was trained to lower them in case one of my ships was sinking . Rowing up and down the Thames in the snow . Long time ago now

@andrewoverton5170 2 жыл бұрын

2-3 minutes from the hatch giving way to the vessel going down is frightening. Even if the crew had prepared to evacuate immediately it's surely unlikely any would have got off.

@frederiknielsen6038 2 жыл бұрын

It's worth noting that the requirements for bulk carrier damaged stability in SOLAS has since been increased, to hopefully make accidents like this less likely. Although I don't honestly think a modern bulk carrier would have fared much better in this situation.

@xpark2001 2 жыл бұрын

With the type of satellite imagery and storm forecasts available today, it's hard to image a modern day bulker or any other ship get caught in TRS unless ofcourse shipping companies continue to look for cheaper seafarers further east.

@JakeLikesTech 2 жыл бұрын

It seems like the only thing to come from this sinking is the alarm system which is just meant to give the crew more time to prepare the life boats.

@MrTarmonbarry 2 жыл бұрын

These ships had a lot of flaws in them . There is an old documentary somewhere describing how some of the beams that should have gone through into the engine room area stopped as they met the housing , something to do with the pump house that is just there if i remember correctly . Alterations were made to the original design and that became a weak spot . There is a theory that she broke at that point and it makes sense . The cargo area is immensely heavy with the ore , it starts to go down bow first, the stern rises and the cantilever effect snaps the housing away from the cargo area

@frederiknielsen6038 2 жыл бұрын

@@JakeLikesTech In the newest version of SOLAS (don't know when this part was added) there are requirements for bulk carriers to be able to survive either cargo hold no. 1 or any cargo hold being damaged and filled with water. (which of the two apply depends on ship age and density of cargo it's designed for). These requirements didn't exist when this happened. Although as I said, I have my doubts if this would be enough in this situation.

@kentershackle1329 2 жыл бұрын

@@xpark2001 'Hard to imagine ships get caught in Very Bad weather' Really?.. Bad weather is not main culprit, ships does go thru bad weather, mate . They dont usually run away.. ships sunk usually due failure/failures on the ships itself. and whats about cheap labour in EAST?.

@donkeyschat5052 2 жыл бұрын

Having sailed as a cadet on a supertanker in the late 70's, where we were taught to load and discharge all tanks evenly else you could break the ship (at the dockside!), I find it incredible that they'd sail with holds with different tonnages in them, let alone with some empty! I sailed on many ships but never on a bulkie.

@chornobylreactor4 2 жыл бұрын

You been on skinny ships not fat ones don't mean to be rude🙉🙈🙊

@peterdixon7975 2 ай бұрын

The reason you load ore in every other hold on a bulker is to keep the GM manageable. If you load all holds evenly then the centre of gravity (G) is so far below the metacentre (point about which the ship will roll) (M) that the ship is too stable (stiff as we say). In this case it’s very very stable, bit if rolled will snap back to upright very fast and may cause damage or injury. If you load every other hold to full then the centre of gravity is higher, GM is a smaller distance and gives a more normal motion as the ship will return to upright more slowly. Think of one of those weebles, childs toys that have a heavy bottom so they wobble but don’t fall over. (Master Mariner & serving Ship’s Master).

@Basetornado 2 жыл бұрын

David Mearns who has also found HMAS Sydney and the Kormoran eventually found the Derbyshire. He had a chapter in his book on shipwreck hunting dedicated to the search and the reasons why it sank. Stating that finding that it had cracked at the crew compartment was one of the hardest things, because of what it meant to the family's who had been waiting for answers for over a decade.

@IloveCruiseShips1912 Жыл бұрын

The mention about a boat from the Derbyshire being found with damage showing it was ripped away kind of reminds me about the sinking of the MV Munchen Great video as always. Keep up the good work.

@bieituns 2 жыл бұрын

The modern day Mary Celeste. I sailed on the Shropshire as a first trip cadet for Bibby line not long after watching a documentary about the Derbyshire. We also carried iron ore which had me a little concerned to say the least.

@marks6663 2 жыл бұрын

the mary celeste was a ship that was not lost. Only the people disappeared.

@bieituns 2 жыл бұрын

@@marks6663 Still a very mysterious story about a ship. dont be so pedantic.

@marks6663 2 жыл бұрын

@@bieituns a million ships have disappeared the Mary Celeste was famous only because her crew disappeared. LOL. A modern-day Mary Celeste. LOL. Why didn't you compare it to Amelia Earhart! Lol

@lecco666 2 жыл бұрын

@@bieituns ignore the keyboard warrior dolt. I bet he hardly ever has a bath let alone sails the oceans.

@marks6663 2 жыл бұрын

@@lecco666 this guy knew anything about ships in history he would have compared it to the Edmund Fitzgerald not the Mary Celeste.

@brianwilliams9605 2 жыл бұрын

When you load a bulker you never leave an hold unloaded. When the ship is hogging in weather it can break the keel. It's not the loss of Derbyshire but is the loss of many bulkers.

@thereforeayam 2 жыл бұрын

Does that hold same for any ocean-going ship of fair to large size?

@brianwilliams9605 2 жыл бұрын

@@thereforeayam Hi. Yes it is essential to balance a load over the whole length of the vessel even if each hold is half empty. Too many bulkers have gone down due to a bad loading plan.

@glennpowell3444 2 жыл бұрын

Imagine a length of timber which is capable of supporting x amount of weight suspended like a bridge. You start point loading weight erratically along its length then that length of timber will start to twist in some areas and fail.Now put that into a huge steel hull on a high swell and the problem accelerates. Suspension bridges have failed not because of overloading but bad distribution of the weight of traffic using them.Physics can be a very bad mistress.

@RailsofForney 2 жыл бұрын

4:24 The Derbyshire wreck site is horrific. Literally, the only recognizable part of the ship is the stem of the bow. Everything else is obliterated into THOUSANDS of pieces. It was caused by Implosion Explosion and it is a bit of a flaw with double-hulled ships. Horrific wreck site. :(

@myth-termoth1621 2 жыл бұрын

I am not sure i agree it is a flaw. Once the ship has sunk, its disintegration or its staying in one relitively undamaged piece is not going to make any practical difference to anyones survival.

@RailsofForney 2 жыл бұрын

@@myth-termoth1621 I almost blew my freaking head off while trying to recreate an implosion about a week ago, so yes.

@KeshavRoshan 2 жыл бұрын

May the souls of sailers rest in heaven... I can't imagine how they would have faced their end... 😭

@connormclernon26 2 жыл бұрын

Fiddler’s Green

@VladimirPutin-on9xq 2 жыл бұрын

Sailors*

@iamasmurf1122 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe they ran out of food and ate each other

@MrTarmonbarry 2 жыл бұрын

Just hope it was a quick end

@coloradostrong 2 жыл бұрын

You really think everyone that dies just goes to heaven? 🙄

@Ever_2008_ARG 2 жыл бұрын

5:25 honestly, we need a sinking simulator type game with this style, where you can put loads on your ships, see 3 layers of waves, and be able to make rough weather like rainstorms

@moe-eh5vi 2 жыл бұрын

You have some of the best explanations and diagrams on KZfaq. Thank you for putting all the effort that must have gone into them.

@Apwdjarland 2 жыл бұрын

Great quality video as usual! :) Im happy that this one did not feel like a commercial. Keep it up!

@CasualNavigation 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Anders

@RedBlaze717 2 жыл бұрын

The loud ding ding din in the middle of the video was my favorite...

@josephkiely6576 2 жыл бұрын

"He made another video" that popped into my head the moment I got this notification. Well done!

@CasualNavigation 2 жыл бұрын

Hope you enjoyed it!

@josephkiely6576 2 жыл бұрын

@@CasualNavigation I did!!!

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Is this a bot? Who writes like that lol

@josephkiely6576 2 жыл бұрын

@@C.I... I write like that.

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@@josephkiely6576 "Joseph Kiely just replied to me" that popped into my head the moment I saw the notification.

@Lunarpollo5622 2 жыл бұрын

Always looking forward to an upload from this channel

@tfsupp 2 жыл бұрын

As a deep sea marine engineer i would like to say that, ships have had bilge/hold water level alarms well before WW2 not since this tradegy, also we oftern continue though the worst storms if we cant slightly divert away from the worst of a hurricane or cyclone (been right though many on bulkers). You never stop or you loose your ability to steer and become a lump of junk being thrown around with the possability of breaching etc, the only time you would stop if if the engine fails or you were forced to, I suppect they just slowed down as getting to close to land is more dangerous in a cyclone and normally you would go in a very large circle if necessary rater than stop. The most logical cause if the ship was loaded as you say with the uneven loading is the final stress failure of the hull due to the hogging and sagging effect that occures on long vessels in rough weather and would certainly have been made worse by the taking of water in the chain locker and forward peek. But a major concern would be the age of the vessel and its corrosion maintenance management of the ballast tank ribs etc which caused many a loss of ship in these circumstances causing less resilience to stress. See @capspread comment below as well.

@MrTarmonbarry 2 жыл бұрын

On your point about them not stopping you are correct . I had something like this on my first trip . We were of the east coast of Africa , now and then there is something happens in that area (Durban ) ,wher the currents , tides and winds combine to produce BIG waves . It was an old B.P oil tanker , she had a searchlight in the bows for going through the Suez canal with big steel doors closing it in during normal passage . We were pounding straight into the waves because as you said , the risk of breaching is bad if you do anything else . The doors broke open and we had a similar situation to the Derbyshire , taking in huge amounts of water and the forward lockers as well as the chain lockers getting filled, we had no option , we had to turn round so us poor beggers could get to the bow and shore up the doors . Turning round was hairy to say the least but the captain picked his moment perfectly

@donjones3824 2 жыл бұрын

I knew the sister of one of the young men, I think he was the youngest, who was lost with the Derbyshire. I’ll never forget her sorrow when she eventually received the terrible news.

@bieituns 2 жыл бұрын

I wish i had some of these videos when i was studying for my chief mates. I could never get my head around the action to take for a TRS and in which hemisphere. lol I would love to know how you make these videos and what software you use. You sound like someone i worked with down in Dover.

@CasualNavigation 2 жыл бұрын

It is mainly Adobe After Effects

@denisiwaszczuk1176 2 жыл бұрын

Yes explains it so easy

@bieituns 2 жыл бұрын

@@criollitoification You sound like you work in the maritime industry as well. If you do you will know its a small world in the maritime industry especially when it comes to British seafarers. Every now and then i will hear a voice over the VHF that i havnt heard for many years, it not uncommon to cross paths with people you work with again. Only last moth i was up at Fleetwood Nautical college updating my STCW certificates and two people were on the course with me who i hadnt seen for about 10 years. One of which i went through the Suez canal with and the other i went through the Panama canal with. Casual Navigator has quite a distinctive voice and sounds very familiar to someone who worked on the ferries down in Dover and then for Dover port control and last i heard went to Aberdeen. Its not beyond the realms of possibility that it could be him.

@bieituns 2 жыл бұрын

@@criollitoification Oh right, good to here. I was in Falmouth for the first time last year for a dry dock, i was pleasantly surprised and had a couple of good nights out there. I also stayed a night in Plymouth on my way home which i also enjoyed. I have some good stories to tell from both places. I have a couple of friends in the RFA but i never fancied it myself, although i did work for Foreland for a couple of trips who are similar to the RFA in that they are classed as merchant navy but they are also MOD and can be taken by the Royal Navy in times of war.

@sunnyjim1355 2 жыл бұрын

"I could never get my head around the action to take for a TRS and in which hemisphere." The you should never be allowed to pass that exam.

@bubba99009 2 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised they'd leave holds totally empty while other holds are filled, instead of distributing the cargo throughout the holds evenly - seems like that would have the effect of concentrating a lot of stress on certain points of the hull in rough seas.

@locklear308 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that is strange. I mean to me ships should be more than strong enough, but we should still load then logacially

@schuttrostig5729 2 жыл бұрын

i imagine halve filled holds are avoided in fear of load shifting to one side. that would cause the vessel to list or eaven capsize and be a serious problem in itself eaven without water ingress.

@johnthomas2485 2 жыл бұрын

But leaves room for the cargo to shift, causing a list.

@redtobertshateshandles 2 жыл бұрын

292 metres long. A canoe weighs a shitload when it's got water in it, an aluminium tinny is nearly immovable. A huge ship .........

@ericastier1646 2 жыл бұрын

Not at all, that is perfectly understandable. Greed and dockers making their life easier.

@aleksavuksanovic3899 2 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the Berge Istra,a ship like the Deybyshire. It also happened in Asia,near the Phillipines,and the wreck was never found,Great video still!

@chiptunechannel 2 жыл бұрын

Really interesting as always! Keep up the great work!

@everythingautomotiveeta5839 2 жыл бұрын

This was the best break down on this vessel I've seen. And I've watched a 45 minute video and a 20 minute video. This touched on a few things things didn't.

@durjoy556 2 жыл бұрын

Thank You for elaborating all the causes nicely!

@lucaschaudel 2 жыл бұрын

You had my curiosity, but now you have my attention

@alexnutcasio936 2 жыл бұрын

It’s called deadheading when you have no cargo on return.

@janicesullivan8942 2 жыл бұрын

“Deadheading” also can be a nonworking crew riding with another scheduled flight or voyage, heading back to their home port.

@alexnutcasio936 2 жыл бұрын

@@janicesullivan8942 true, very common in aviation industry. Have spoken to many deadheading pilots on planes.

@bieituns 2 жыл бұрын

Or in ballast.

@tonys1636 2 жыл бұрын

Also used by haulage companies for trucks returning unladen.

@AlexR2648 2 жыл бұрын

@@tonys1636 in the case of a tractor truck it's bobtailing

@garrettnb 2 жыл бұрын

The only thing I would correct you on is at 0:44 You mention Oil Bulk Oil, but OBO refers to Oil Bulk Ore - the 3 types of cargos the vessel could carry. Great video though.

@MrTarmonbarry 2 жыл бұрын

Just to be pedantic , its two types of cargo not three , Oil or a bulk cargo of ore

@tjampman 2 жыл бұрын

@@MrTarmonbarry If it was an English class, I would agree with you, but OBO does in fact stand for Oil Bulk Ore. If you you took you logic to the extreme, really, tankers should also just be called bulk carries, because oil in bulk.

@MrTarmonbarry 2 жыл бұрын

@@tjampman OBO refers to Oil Bulk Ore - the 3 types of cargos the vessel could carry. Great video though. This is the comment i was talking about , he is saying 3 types of cargo which is wrong . They carry two types , oil or bulk iron ore or coal mainly although they could carry grain as well but that would be unusual for this size of OBO . I sailed on one of these built in the same yards so i think i probably have a better idea about them than you )))

@boldblazervids 2 жыл бұрын

I ended up learning a lot about plane crashes from shows like Mayday and the like, but there aren't any that cover ship accidents. So thanks for this video.

@shanestanton8 2 жыл бұрын

Please do a video about The Edmund Fitzgerald. It also sunk so quickly, no one aboard sent a distress call

@anthonyspecf 2 жыл бұрын

This eerily reminded me of the Edmund Fitzgerald. Such a sad, tragic story.

@peacefuljeffrey 2 жыл бұрын

I do enjoy learning about how much technical stuff is involved in the nautical operation of such ships. Your animations are top-rate!

@bluemiint4105 2 жыл бұрын

That was a very good video, especially explaining the ships specific points :)

@etherealessence 2 жыл бұрын

the saddest part of new casual navigation day is that it'll be the month till the next. Having said that, its worth it.

@dillanma 2 жыл бұрын

Check out "A Ship too Far" by Dave Ramwell.Interesting book.All of the Derbyshires sister ships had structural problems

@MERLK2 2 жыл бұрын

Just looked up - who - build those. Makes sense now. Swan Hunter in Haverton & Wallsend - not the first time they unleashed ships with structural problems onto the world (anyone remebering the ESSO Northumbria & Hibernia - even if those were thankfully scrapped before something worse then spilled oil could happen)

@adamsj01 2 жыл бұрын

Love your channel! Magnificent work!

@CasualNavigation 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks James

@jimbob-robob Жыл бұрын

Nicely done, good info graphics...👍🏻

@LadyCooper 2 жыл бұрын

Really great video! One little comment, it left from Sept-Iles in Canada, not "Seven Islands". You don't translate French city names in Canada, the same way you wouldn't call Yokohama "Horizontal Beach".

@debug9424 2 жыл бұрын

And for the curious, the prononciation is roughly like for the english words "set ill"

@Knapweed Жыл бұрын

@@debug9424 Wouldn't it be closer to Set eel?

@voidokami1427 Жыл бұрын

Look at this dude lol

@jaex9617 Жыл бұрын

Horizontal Beach it is!

@C.I... 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, but the animated "subscribe" graphic with the bell noise just as the boat sank was pretty tacky.

@mauricedavis8261 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, very informative and insightful, great job mate!!!🙏🛳⚓

@autooctavia133 2 жыл бұрын

These are all really interesting videos, good work! I think a video that would be cool to do would be a video on Engine Order Telegraphs, how they used to work and how they do now, or what station's are on a ships bridge maybe, if you don't already have something like it? Love your videos!

@lewisbons2503 2 жыл бұрын

I'll tell you something, since yesterday I had been remembering a ship sinking. I saw on discovery channel, like 15 years ago I was a little kid back then, I clearly remember an image of a ship at night in a typhoon getting tremendous amount of water through her deck vents. That picture had been chasing me since yesterday randomly, lastly this video was uploaded with a familiar ship shape, everything was as usual on the video until I saw Japan and then typhoon. This is inexplicable, weird...

@mickd6942 2 жыл бұрын

The Derbyshire broke at the join between cargo holds and crew Accommodation section due to stresses on the main spar it was a bad design

@Mesozoic_mammal 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for another great video!

@mirrorblue100 2 жыл бұрын

Very well made and straight forward presentation - thanks.

@barbarus2060 2 жыл бұрын

Very well done I always wanted to learn about her

@thomashenderson3901 2 жыл бұрын

Seek out other videos on this vessel. Loading and bow protection didn't help but serious structural alignment flaws were the real issue.

@larsw8776 2 жыл бұрын

This channel is fantastic stuff, very addicting content!

@markjarrett9400 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the interesting part about the different quadrants of a storm. Had no idea about that.

@mattm7220 2 жыл бұрын

The unfortunate timing of that notification bell just as the Derbyshire sunk made it seem like a fight between the Derbyshire and the ocean had finished - and the Derbyshire lost

@TheCoalLobbyist 2 жыл бұрын

You should do a video on the Edmund Fitzgerald is you feel that the amount of videos on it are to high already.

@martrex 8 ай бұрын

I was a crew member on a container ship sailing Australia to Japan. We went through the same storm that took the Derbyshire, not learning about her fate until a few days later after we arrived in Japan. Going through that storm on that particular night was one of the worst experiences I ever had in my 47 year seagoing career.

@MrRock1878 2 жыл бұрын

Literally last week I was talking about the Derbyshire to my cousin. His mate from school lost his father on that vessel. A lot of the staff were from Liverpool.

@shaunybonny688 2 жыл бұрын

Never heard of this ship or it’s fate before, absolutely frightening. Thank you.

@BGRANT777X 2 жыл бұрын

Can you explain the OBO combination, I'm failing to imagine how you put bulk cargo in the same space you would put oil.

@TheZiiFamily 2 жыл бұрын

Big oil drums?

@BGRANT777X 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheZiiFamily That works but I've seen ships oil tanks, they have heaters and pipes and all those barrels would waste a lot of weight but yeah it would allow you to put cargo in its place.

@TheZiiFamily 2 жыл бұрын

@@BGRANT777X true

@garrettnb 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly in the way you're imagining it. The cargo holds have lines for cargo and pumps in the bilge wells. The tank needs to be cleaned well between various cargoes but it is doable.

@BGRANT777X 2 жыл бұрын

@@garrettnb Is it harder to contaminate oil than I imagine?

@ViperGTS737 2 жыл бұрын

quite informative and professional, thank you this video, i quite enjoy this channel even though i am in the aviation sector and know nothing about ships 😅

@gabr.7878 2 жыл бұрын

Love these videos

@spuriouseffect 2 жыл бұрын

I learned from this video to bring my own life raft when on board any ship.

@ericastier1646 2 жыл бұрын

haha that's exactly what i thought.

@avramnovorra 2 жыл бұрын

These guys had no shot of survival the moment the waves came in.. may the rest in peace..

@394pjo 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing channel. Subscribed.

@neilsmith2047 Жыл бұрын

Really informative. Thank you.

@taylorkrabiel6042 2 жыл бұрын

Love your videos!!! did you read the mairne report for this one?

@CasualNavigation 2 жыл бұрын

I tried to find everything I could before making this one.

@stephenirwin2761 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting story. Reminds me of the ore carrier Edmund Fitzgerald which disappeared in Great Lake Superior in gale force winds. As a Canadian from the province of Quebec, I will point out that no-one calls the port of departure Seven Islands. Place names are never translated so Derbyshire loaded up at Sept-Iles (pronounced “set ill”. But still very nicely explained.

@ExpoAviation 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting, I had read up on the Derbyshire but didn't know about the changes her loss lead to and the seriousness of the risk to bulk carriers as naturally it's not my area (as my name implies). Keep 'em coming mate! :)

@rickflanders 2 жыл бұрын

Love your videos! Good job :)

@CasualNavigation 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Rick!

@noddybigears6968 2 жыл бұрын

A good friend of mine was the purser on board the Derbyshire. When the ship was in the states loading, he took time out to go sightsee, during this time he got delayed, he did everything to try make it back on the ship. But no matter what he couldn’t get back...so the ships agents said don’t worry we will fly you out to Japan, and you can join her there...which they did,, so himself the captains wife, were in a hotel waiting for the Derbyshire to come,,,of course it never did... it goes to show that fate does work in mysterious ways...

@eat_a_dick_trudeau 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting, especially considering the ship wasn't in _the states._ She sailed from Sept-Iles Quebec, _Canada._

@masterimbecile 2 жыл бұрын

2:22 Damn... reminds me of the weather reports I'd see as a kid. We get 3 to 4 of these suckers every summer, and every Taiwanese kid loves the words "Typhoon break". In Taipei, it typically doesn't get too bad, until it does, in which case it's pretty f-ing bad.

@unvergebeneid 2 жыл бұрын

1:16 "Running out of buoyancy" is a nice way of saying "sinking." 😄

@patricksharkany9 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent summary 👍👍

@bobsemple3268 2 жыл бұрын

The sinking is like the same as the Marine Electric but in atlantic ocean

@benwilson6145 2 жыл бұрын

Not at all similar.

@benwilson6145 2 жыл бұрын

@A Velsen The loss of the Marine Electric should have had the Owners, the USCG Inspectors and American Bureau of Shipping Surveyors jailed for manslaughter. The Derbyshire was a a ship on which the hatches met all the standards as did the rest of the ship. Other than the fact they were ships who sank there was nothing similar.

@simonrisley2177 2 жыл бұрын

Very instructive. It seems extraordinary to someone like me, whose sailing has been confined to yachts, that such a behemoth should be so vulnerable.

@derpyguy 2 жыл бұрын

Really, you're far safer being small on the ocean. The square cube law actually works in your favor and the forces on a tiny thing bobbing in a storm are much, much smaller than a gigantic thing. Hence why sealed glass bottles can drift around on ocean currents for years, unharmed through whatever weather gets thrown at them.

@hossamkhaled2557 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the fantastic video

@momchilandonov 2 жыл бұрын

The videos about such accidents are great!

@jenelaina5665 2 жыл бұрын

A a large ship filled with bulk iron ore sinking in a storm in the 70s and it's not about the Edmund Fitzgerald? The hell? Great video thanks! (Edited to add whoops guess it sank in 1980 but still. Rest in peace to all the souls on board.)

@sse_weston4138 9 ай бұрын

If you want to get into the nitty gritty of bulk carrier sinkings, I recommend reading "Return of the Coffin Ships" by Bernard Edwards. Scores of these ships sank under similar circumstances, often without a trace.

@conradmcdougall3629 2 жыл бұрын

That is almost exactly how the Edmund Fitzgerald went down. Same cargo too

@TheCoalLobbyist 2 жыл бұрын

This was unprocessed iron ore, the Fitz was carrying processed taconite pellets which are a bit less dense. Still so so similar to the Fitz

@mgmg116 2 жыл бұрын

The Fitz was put down by The Three Sisters

@6thmichcav262 2 жыл бұрын

Taconite is a low-grade iron ore. What did not help the Fitzgerald (a smaller OBO carrier but still large enough) was that a 13.6k ton vessel was carrying 26.1k tons of taconite in what would eventually reach hurricane-force winds.

@TheCoalLobbyist 2 жыл бұрын

@@6thmichcav262 I was going to mention in the comment that taconite is Iron ore but I wanted to keep it short so I didn’t mention it

@thereforeayam 2 жыл бұрын

@@6thmichcav262 ...that's what Gordon Lightfoot sings in his Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald song

@rs2352 2 жыл бұрын

A great presentation that provides non-professionals a good understanding of this loss. As a professional, also think you did a great job of covering the accident and many of the learnings incorporated. The technical aspects of changes to the various rules and regulations with regard to design / maintenance of hatch covers, that have had a profound impact on the maritime industry, are worthy of note but far too esoteric for all but a few. FYI, a verbal 'typo' in the beginning. It sounds like you mention her Gross Registered Tonnage (GRT) in the beginning, something like 91,000 tons. Later, you provide the more useful Deadweight of ~ 151,000 tons. DWT is the most illustrative, especially for those who compare to semi trucks (at 40 tons each). Again, for the casual viewing, GRT is somewhat akin to a 'tax dodge scheme'. If you ever have trouble sleeping, do a search for 'tonnage admeasurement'....

@CARRJ142 2 жыл бұрын

Another great video.

@FriedrichWilhelmViktorAlbert 2 жыл бұрын

It may not be your specialty, but I'd like to see some videos on great lakes shipping if at all possible, I know much about it, however, I'd like other people to know about it too.

@allamasadi7970 2 жыл бұрын

Can you maybe do videos on it? It can be a simple whiteboard video

@CasualNavigation 2 жыл бұрын

I'd like to. I'm hoping to get there to see it for myself one day, so covering it would fit nicely.

@FriedrichWilhelmViktorAlbert 2 жыл бұрын

@@CasualNavigation trust me, a trip to the great lakes would suit you nicely.

@FriedrichWilhelmViktorAlbert 2 жыл бұрын

@@allamasadi7970 sorry, but, idk how to make and edit videos, the videos I have are just filmed and posted.

@FriedrichWilhelmViktorAlbert 2 жыл бұрын

@@allamasadi7970 however, I will try to find a toutorial on it.

@dmitrivolkov4251 2 жыл бұрын

I've kind of always wanted to serve as part of a ship crew, but this is honestly one of my biggest fears, definitely not the way I wanna go out

@arkayokay 2 жыл бұрын

OBO = oil, bulk, ore (not oil bulk oil) graphic doesn't represent actual height of ore cargo. Hove to was primarily to stop ore cargo shift because of the low amount of cargo in the hold and more importantly the very low centre of gravity meant the ship would pitch and heel over (and back) very quickly. Other bulk cargoes of grain or coal would have meant slow steaming in the same conditions. Like others on here I was on a sister ship at the same time, same cargoes.

@badchannel2713 2 жыл бұрын

Finally! He uploaded and early :D

@sentis7018 2 жыл бұрын

Changing a boats name is bad luck

@coderider3022 2 жыл бұрын

Estonia changed didn’t it

@erictaylor5462 2 жыл бұрын

Probably very close to what happened to Edmond Fitzgerald.

@KhangLe-nm8dr 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for all the content about the ships that sank at sea

@victorben-cnaan5178 Жыл бұрын

In 1971 I was a surveyor for the new construction of a VLCC for an Israeli shipping company. It was in Howalds Werke, Deutsche Werft, Kiel. At the same time, an OBO, of 200,000 tons DWT, built for a British Shipping Company, was finishing her construction, and soon she departed for her sea trials. Her keel, with some frames and plates, cracked in a smooth sea. The Israeli bulk carrier “Mezada” sunk in 1981, for the same reasons as the “Derbyshire”. Her #1 hatch cover gave way to the stormy sea. Sometime later, the same happened to the #2 hatch cover, she broke in two and sunk. I believe that the engineers, in the 60s and the 70s did not possess sufficient technical knowledge to prevent such incidences.

@sse_weston4138 9 ай бұрын

First seeing someone mention Mezada's loss on KZfaq, I have a photo cropped from (I believe) a newspaper of one of the final photos of the ship. About half of her length is underwater by that point and the crew trying to use the starboard lifeboat, a raft is already in the water, also to starboard.