What happens after South Africa has fallen?

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During a recent conversation in Johannesburg, South Africa, Douglas Murray remarked that he often hears talk about bringing things to an end, but rarely about what ought to be done once the destruction has taken place. In South Africa, it’s certainly true that some things have to be brought to an end, but the question remains: what then?
In this video, I discuss why the problem in South Africa is bigger than the ruling party - why there are some inherent structural problems. Furthermore, I explore some ideas on what a more sustainable system might look like.
Watch the full Douglas Murray, Gareth Cliff, JJ Tabane conversation here: • Democracy Unplugged : ...
Read the mentioned opinion piece here: www.politicsweb.co.za/opinion...

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@26JV26 Ай бұрын

In 1994 we were sold a dream. In 2024 we want a refund.

@exposing_massive_banking_crime Ай бұрын

🇿🇦

@patbouwer1637 29 күн бұрын

That's putting it in a nutshell

@Galaxy-ho2pk 28 күн бұрын

There is no money left 😉

@annetteelliott1494 16 күн бұрын

We didn't "sell" anything......we still have it, we must just rebuild what's left........

@The_First_Sean 16 күн бұрын

If you want apartheid you can go back on you raft and and row for Holland, not here you shitpaste.

@thandosisilana425 Ай бұрын

I am a Xhosa man some how i've never found this man offensive to anything i've heard him say. South Africa need us all to stand up and fight for what is good. I don't need handouts i am smart, i need a working South Africa with its people, those people are all skin colours in this country.

@SA-Napalm Ай бұрын

please help stop B.E.E... its pushing us back to a race based society..

@dannyarcher6370 Ай бұрын

I am an offensive white man.

@mtblover Ай бұрын

It is so refreshing to hear you say that. Be careful that other backs don't paint you with a "brainwashed" brush. Everyone that don't agree with the anc, zuma and malema get painted with that brush.

@icno3508 Ай бұрын

Be a major non-nato allie a country with liberal economic policies capitalist system and federalism with states 👍 (you can be a major non-nato allie but still do business with russia and china look at the gulf states in the middle east) 👍

@olalundqvist3080 Ай бұрын

Don't get me wrong, I'm not out to attack your stand point of "South Africa needs us all...", then how about first if all imprisson Julius Malema and the other hot shots of the EFF for Life and crush the organisation and do the same with Anyone involved with the boer morde (spelling?). I do know and understand that the Apparteid era was a shitty thing, I'm not advocating for it in Any way... but "The sins of the father" and all that. And Then hopefully South Africa can start healing and coming together properly. That's just My own take on it.

@marcusmoonstein242 Ай бұрын

"It's much easier to hold people accountable if they are closer to the people they are governing." A great argument for decentralized government, and the main reason why we're not going to get it.

@farhanatoerien3437 Ай бұрын

Absolutely!!! 😢

@BrinleyPavitt Ай бұрын

Bingo!

@MmetxaRuth-sp7km Ай бұрын

Spot on that's why this country can even be controlled from Europe by people who don't have any connection to our society.

@dewalddewet759 Ай бұрын

@@MmetxaRuth-sp7km Sounds about right yes. Russia is considered to be part of Europe. If you add the other chommie, China, you can say Rectumzania is governed from Eurasia.

@bronx7886 Ай бұрын

When Thomas Jefferson said “The government closest to the people serves the people best”, he was referring to form-of-government closeness and not to ethnicity. However, it is of the very nature of life that, for the most part, people are closer to their own kin.

@Sean1homeles Ай бұрын

South Africa needs to be federalist. And voting for individual people to represent you in government that are accountable to you.

@MoreThanRuan Ай бұрын

Vote for OHM if you want this.

@HerbieMarais Ай бұрын

I read somewhere, that it was proposed during the independence discussions with the British after the second Boer war, but the British rejected it, and insisted we have a central government that governs all the land in a uniform way.

@stevemeisternomic Ай бұрын

We have an overabundance of idiots in this country with a lot of anger and hatred. Even if individuals get voted for the priorities of the people are wrong.

@anthonyverwey9684 Ай бұрын

OHM is already trying to do this: ohm.org.za/gallery/Political%20Overhaul%20of%20the%20Electoral%20System%202024.pdf

@juneschlebusch6679 Ай бұрын

That is the way to go. Each tribe must govern itself . We'll all be more happier.

@tiaanbasson9092 Ай бұрын

It's crazy to see the statistics of a tiny country like Singapore vs a much larger country like South Africa. We never really hhad a democracy, only a Kakistocracy empowered by a majority of the mentally challenged.

@davidroux7987 Ай бұрын

Imagine if the president were as intelligent, rational, and articulate as Ernst Roets. Unfortunately, the unsophisticated, gullible, subliterate majority would not vote for such a person.

@BrinleyPavitt Ай бұрын

Our president is actually quite intelligent. What he lacks is balls. He's standing by and watching the country burn around him. You almost see a tear in his eye when makes his speeches because he knows what he's saying is bs. Like when someone knocks their shin and pretends they're not in pain.

@coatknight Ай бұрын

Oh the president if very intelligent but sly. On the other hand, he lacks wisdom and morals.

@smr4712 Ай бұрын

oh please, he is a mickey mouse excuse of a man.

@exposing_massive_banking_crime Ай бұрын

pity he is cold as stone

@janettewillis7389 Ай бұрын

Sounds like the genuinely good people are waking up to the fact that they don't have to swollow the evil being feed to them 🤷🏼‍♀️ About Bloody Time 🙏🏼✝️🙏🏼

@user-uy7wp8mf8n Ай бұрын

Why is no one else talking like this. Some very valid points. Great thinking Ernst.

@anthonyverwey9684 Ай бұрын

OHM is already doing this. They are contesting the national elections to do exactly this. Here is the System Change plan: ohm.org.za/gallery/Political%20Overhaul%20of%20the%20Electoral%20System%202024.pdf

@wolfgiesinger1597 Ай бұрын

Excellent presentation, can't fault it on a single point, thank you!

@exposing_massive_banking_crime Ай бұрын

you didnt notice how ..pale...the gathering is...?

@hermangoosen7756 Ай бұрын

Infrastructure and financial problems will only go away after years of careful management. And getting most to move in the right direction will be difficult

@exposing_massive_banking_crime Ай бұрын

how bout the elite stop screwing us with currency manipulation first??

@aimhigh3701 Ай бұрын

Imagine a government where the people in government genuinely want to do their jobs. Just imagine that... civil servants who actually, sincerely want to fulfil their mandates... Imagine civil servants who wanted to create a world class railway service, enable businesses to thrive, who were mortified by corruption and crime... Imagine a government where workers tried to save as much as possible and wanted to create an awesome society for themselves and citizens alike... Its such a basic idea... And yet our government is full of selfish clowns who can only think as far as their bank accounts.

@godfreyberry1599 Ай бұрын

It's all about fighting for POLE POSITION think the word G-O-V-E-R-N-M-E-N-T need's to be spelled out to the current ANC 'looters and pillagers' and those wannabees who's main purpose in life is to get onboard.

@robertvandervelde60 Ай бұрын

South Africa used to be like that, but the british did not let it continue, despicable people that they are, they still pull the strings in SA, but BRICS commeth

@robertvandervelde60 Ай бұрын

South Africa used to be like that, but the british did not let it continue, despicable people that they are, they still pull the strings in SA, but BRICS commeth

@exposing_massive_banking_crime Ай бұрын

old SA civil service were also really slow n miserable

@marcellekravitz2411 Ай бұрын

I dont have to imagine it..thats what we Had..but Nooo lets carry on and have MASONIC brotherhoods decide the Next jail cell

@nedor64 Ай бұрын

"What happens after South Africa has fallen?" We must be ready when this happens otherwise we might suffer horrible consequences. The only people who will survive and be better off will be the Oranians.

@humanbeing4841 Ай бұрын

South Africa will only fall because of the corrupt and inept central government. It can be saved by sweeping reforms that ensure free market economics as well as governing autonomy to cultural and linguistic ethnic groups.

@nedor64 Ай бұрын

@@humanbeing4841 "governing autonomy to cultural and linguistic ethnic groups" Here is the problem, the "central government" is not interested in it and is calling it apartheid. We MUST organize ourselves into self-sufficient communities where we provide services to our people so that we can become independent.

@humanbeing4841 Ай бұрын

@@nedor64 The irony of calling such a structure "apartheid", is that apartheid is fundamentally an authoritarian ideology that requires a central government to be instituted. Under a federal model, no apartheid can exist because there is not monopoly of state control to enforce such an policy. Organizing into self-sufficient communities is merely de-jure federalism however I am arguing for a de-facto federalism.

@johanweakley2658 Ай бұрын

@humanbeing4841 agree, a federal system should have been strived for from the beginning. The NP negotiators were out of their depth during Codesa. They basically told us what a good job they've done, then wiped the dirt of their hands and disappeared. Leaving us to live under a yoke of tyranny, corruption, incompetence and malicious governance.

@exposing_massive_banking_crime Ай бұрын

the corrupt Afrikaners in media and banks will be SHAP

@gerrytyrrell1507 Ай бұрын

Listening in from Ireland..absolutely brilliant..thank you Sir

@EveHoward631 Ай бұрын

Thank you Ernst for your informative commentary of the original interview. Your words based on logic in truth.

@Dgen247 19 күн бұрын

Community based government is the best way forward for our country.

@thembastoep733 Ай бұрын

You're arguments are objectively speaking very logical and make sense

@donaldmillwood6308 Ай бұрын

Brilliant - Levelheaded, non-victimised and non-blaming - solution and future-orientated. 10/10 or 100%

@southafrica9179 Ай бұрын

I don't understand why the ANC can't be disbanded and prevented from being on the ballot papers by the IEC... Surely the damage they've done to our country is enough to ban them from politics..

@humanbeing4841 Ай бұрын

Unfortunately disbanding the ANC would only give votes to the EFF. In my opinion, the National Assembly needs to vote on disbanding the EFF instead as they are too dangerous and will ensure that SA descends into a genocidal, Maoist totalitarian hellscape.

@042Ghostmaker Ай бұрын

No. If they ban the ANC they can ban anyone else. That's not worth the risk.

@maseratifittipaldi Ай бұрын

@@042Ghostmaker All political parties should be banned. Leaders should be democratically elected from fraternities and geographic areas.

@exposing_massive_banking_crime Ай бұрын

that defined Apartheid though...that exact thing

@ca9968 Ай бұрын

@@exposing_massive_banking_crime and it worked..really well...

@hendrikvogel262 Ай бұрын

Best summary of SA ever

@riaan6421 Ай бұрын

No politician can ever fix it.

@antonjoubert6980 Ай бұрын

A disfunctional moral system is the same as an imoral system😂

@exposing_massive_banking_crime Ай бұрын

most definitely disagree.

@moirabij734 Ай бұрын

Best comment here.

@RitaHunter-ru1vs Ай бұрын

Hi south Africa has already fallen

@gravedigger9313 Ай бұрын

McDonald’s still makes lakker burgers 😅😅😅

@exposing_massive_banking_crime Ай бұрын

@@gravedigger9313 is that the unit of measurement?😂

@errolmitchell6339 Ай бұрын

In Australia I talking to a S. African last week he and wife just move to Australia because S.Africa is gone 😢😢

@exposing_massive_banking_crime Ай бұрын

@@errolmitchell6339 whats your first language, if I may ask Errol

@errolmitchell6339 Ай бұрын

English

@louisemee3080 Ай бұрын

BRAVO, at last this makes sense. A solution and not doom and gloom.

@bonganimkhaliphi8695 Ай бұрын

Excellent commentary and thought provoking. These are, indeed, the conversations we ought to be having, really. Thanks for sharing.

@christinemarnewick2847 Ай бұрын

Excellent. Thank you.

@ismailfrancis6159 Ай бұрын

South Africa is a very vibrant society. The mere fact that we can produce very articulate and well constructed arguments like this is testimony to us being an active civil community who by and large, try our best to tell truth to power out of a deep place of care. I would argue that the most marginalised, the most poor, the most desperate, which is the majority of South Africa is left out of the framing of the problems and the solutions in the video. If we leave South Africa to create another Bantustan to govern their own communities then we will end up with more disenfranchised communities. Great article and may we have more of these intelligent debates.

@jilliansolman2170 26 күн бұрын

OHM is talking a complete revamp of politics in SA....making it for the people with the people....minus political parties that prone to corruption and no one held accountable.

@fraudABSA 16 күн бұрын

makes sense its got my vote

@verlorenvlei1325 Ай бұрын

Very well said .. thank you. And there are a number of worthwhile alternatives already well thought out to choose from. I would maintain that a practical assessment of the Swiss model as proposed by Leon and Frances book “South Africa, the Solution” pre 1994 bears serious consideration and public discussion. Had we adopted it then our country might be an example to the world today.

@lorrainesparg4874 Ай бұрын

Thanks that was enlightening.

@cjtannerza Ай бұрын

South Africa needs meritocracy not democracy

@simphiwerini9652 Ай бұрын

After you have enjoyed and benefited from apartheid. Now merit must come in. Apartheid wasn't merit. Let's fix that first.

@exposing_massive_banking_crime Ай бұрын

@@simphiwerini9652 true!! and also now they want to just TAKE cape town the richest part of our whole country

@exposing_massive_banking_crime Ай бұрын

lifestyle audits for all Afrikaners FIRST

@anthony64632 Ай бұрын

, audit for weathly mps @@exposing_massive_banking_crime

@cjtannerza Ай бұрын

@@simphiwerini9652 dont know about that, I was too young. I can say that we are all worse off now than in 2000 or even 2010.

@derickstevens9650 Ай бұрын

NM also accused De Klerk of having a top-heavy parliament (something like 187 members), which is now close to 600 !

@humanbeing4841 Ай бұрын

As someone who was born post 1994, I believe SA should've always been a federation of provinces based primarily upon the historic ethnic and linguistic demarcations of the country's territory united around the idea of governing autonomy within those demarcations while maintaining union on a national level. A top-down centralized government has NEVER been a good thing for South Africa and has always resulted in greater nationalistic and racial tensions within the territory because of one tribe trying to impose itself on all the others. A federated model would ensure that no single ethnic group driven by an authoritarian ideology could ever dominate and oppress another ethnic group residing within the country ever again. We are one of the most ethnically and culturally diverse countries on the planet and yet for some nonsensical reason we are forced to be governed as a unitary state. Unitary states only make sense when the inhabitants have a common ethnic, cultural, liguistic and religious heritage. A highly centralized South African state will ALWAYS result in the country being governed by a corrupt, authoritarian, nepotist or racially bigoted oligarchy. The implementation of "Unity in Diversity" can only exist within the framework of a governing system that truly acknowledges such diversity and is willing to provide autonomy to those diverse communities within the country; only a federal model can ensure this framework.

@marcusmoonstein242 Ай бұрын

I'm older than you, and so I could vote in the '94 elections. I remember serious discussions at the time around a having a decentralized federalist system copied directly from the successful Swiss system of cantons. Unfortunately the ANC was (and is still) married to the old Soviet model of highly centralized authority where all serious decisions are made at the national level. So the ANC negotiators torpedoed the federalist idea in the pre-election constitutional negotiations. We missed the one opportunity we had to write federalism into our constitution. If we had done that we wouldn't be having talk of Cape succession today.

@verlorenvlei1325 Ай бұрын

Absolutely .. A dedicated group of far seeing people lobbied hard and long to the CODESA negotiating delegates, under the banner of Groundswell.. We came close to achieving a truly decentralised “bottom up” Swiss Canton Confederation model. But hidden agendas on both sides of the political and business elites proved more powerful than good sense.

@BrinleyPavitt Ай бұрын

💯 Agree. South Africa does need to be looked at from a unique perspective given the magnitude of our diversity. Our biggest issue is that our current leaders seem to want copy the frameworks of countries where almost everyone is the same ie. Brazil, Russia, India, China etc. We should be looking more to Western countries and mimic their successes and improve upon their failures.

@humanbeing4841 Ай бұрын

@@BrinleyPavitt All those countries you mentioned are among the most diverse developing nations on the planet especially India. We are unique in that we are just as diverse if not more diverse than those countries but are governed as a unitary state. There is more cultural unity within the entire European continent than there is within SA.

@pheebsbee1280 Ай бұрын

Thank you.

@davidclowes2280 Ай бұрын

Good discussion. Much more decentralisation makes sense. Less controls will help!!! I like the dream!!!

@paulreed3716 Ай бұрын

Very well said Ernst.

@exposing_massive_banking_crime Ай бұрын

careful who you trust so blindly. He & Afriforum wont talk about the financial R@PE going on by the banks .

@smr4712 Ай бұрын

@@exposing_massive_banking_crime Afriforum is seen as a enemy by the people of SA.. censorship wont save them.

@nyc7727 9 күн бұрын

Great presentation and much needed.

@glenturrell4485 Ай бұрын

Thank you, Sir, for another excellent clip. Dr.Leon Louwe and Francis Kendal published, in the late '80s an.excellent book entitled South Africa, the solution (hope I got the title right!) in which they reviewed the history of South Africa, the bad choices made and the legislation involved and offered a practical example of how the country could have been (and could still be) re-organised to the general benefit. If you can find a copy (leant mine out - to whom???) it is really worth the read. More thanks for your presence and clear thinking!

@verlorenvlei1325 Ай бұрын

Exactly .. I recently re-read my copy. Frances’s other two books laid out in detail the nuts and bolts of how it could work. Time to bring them both out of retirement .. perhaps this would be be the true meaning of a 🌈nation.

@user-lf2ov1eu9y Ай бұрын

It hurts me to break up South Africa, but The Cape Party - Independence for The Cape, separation of the Western Cape combined with the Northern Cape from the rest of South Africa is really the only option for that region.

@collettewalton2261 Ай бұрын

It's a start in healing this country. ANC must go!

@user-xd2mh7xx8l 13 күн бұрын

How can it heal without an apology

@two_motion Ай бұрын

Imagine a South Africa where each nation/tribe ruled themselves according to their own consensus of religious & cultural moral values.

@carolmack6812 Ай бұрын

No. That can't work

@two_motion Ай бұрын

@@carolmack6812 Why?

@mudgut69 Ай бұрын

They would fail. It would be like the Middle East. It’s a nice dream but that’s all it is. It’s a modern world. Tribal society belongs in the past.

@varsitystudents5276 Ай бұрын

That's not how a country work

@two_motion Ай бұрын

@@varsitystudents5276 That how federations, confederations and independent nations work... 🙄

@alangardner1746 Ай бұрын

OHM says much of what you are saying, please interview Lauren Evanthia on this subject!

@lynpetzer2746 Ай бұрын

HAVE FAITH SOUTH AFRICA..NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE WITH GOD ..EVERY KNEE WILL BOW TO JESUS....GOD BLESS SOUTH AFRICA.🙏❤🙏❤

@MarcPagan 26 күн бұрын

South Africa and Haiti both need a benevolent dictator ..... like Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew. As South Africa and Haiti, and add Venezuela and Cuba, .... have proven inept at self-governance.

@joecruiser Ай бұрын

Agree, thanks Ernst. SA direly needs a proper government and governing structure / system, but this time it should work for the benefit of SA and All SAens. Not an easy feat indeed. Step 1 is to Educate the voter masses, just to rid SA of the current looters .......... Not easy either.......... You need to 1st stop the bleeding before any treatment is possible.

@mathewman Ай бұрын

HE WAS ALSO IN SYDNEY - hardly got a mention in the press

@bronx7886 Ай бұрын

The answer is in the question. South Africa fell in 1994. We have been living the answer for 30 years.

@coatknight Ай бұрын

Indeed, South Africa should have been disbanded either to the pre 1910 states or something similar reflecting the demographics. However, white folk didn't want to relinquish the financial hub of Johannesburg.

@kalaharikreef7371 Ай бұрын

@@coatknightwe would have been in 1910 where we are now. The rest of Africa is enough proof.

@exposing_massive_banking_crime Ай бұрын

@@coatknight not all whites in SA are Afrikaans or British...we mongrels dont fit in with either ..not all of us are well connected to bank CEOs

@balsak007 Ай бұрын

Truth

@exposing_massive_banking_crime Ай бұрын

I was there in 94...it was very suss what was "arranged"

@DP-ho9if Ай бұрын

Great analysis Mr Roets. I think Mandela's model of a central unitary state cannot work in South Africa, it is easy to capture a central government with very dire consequences for every citizen, than to capture a federal state that is close to the people.

@ThembaMaselane Ай бұрын

I'm watching the stand off between the federal government and the states.People to live one state for another when things breaking point.

@HeinRichKocHPretoria 17 күн бұрын

Centralization is 1 of communism's tools.

@janrabie1890 Ай бұрын

Besides Mandela and Mbeki, the ANC really had nothing to offer the people of South Africa.

@HeinRichKocHPretoria 17 күн бұрын

What did Mandela and Mbeki brought to SA?

@janrabie1890 16 күн бұрын

@@HeinRichKocHPretoria Mandela was instrumental to a peaceful transition and the avoidance of a civil war. During the Mbeki years there was still economic growth.

@patvandenheever9856 Ай бұрын

Return to GOD! and have honest people serving the people! Remember we REAP what we sow which most can't or won't see and inherit the sins of our fathers!

@LukasMedicalSA1857 Ай бұрын

2 Chronicles 7:14 if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

@obakengmarumo2600 9 күн бұрын

Ngl, I was initially hesitant to watch this video because most of the videos that talk about the fall of the ANC and government were so biased. But now, having listened to your analysis, I'm impressed and grateful to have come across your video. You gave a holistic view of the real problem we have.

@FreeRangeExcellence Ай бұрын

I like your innovative thinking, thank you. I reckon that some of your views is likely to achieve real ownership from us as South Africans. Everything starts with a dream. We all need to contribute more for South Africa to reach its full potential. We need leaders that can lead us towards a vision of prosperity for all.

@estellenetterberg1750 12 күн бұрын

Well thought out and well spoken!! As a SA citizen - I love my country!

@CloudyHands 26 күн бұрын

I am a Christian, and I love South Africa. It is a beautiful country with so much diversity that the world has failed to comprehend, and I am proud of that. Unfortunately, we are being led by people who are corrupt and only care about their pockets instead of the quality of life for its citizens. We truly need to pray for South Africa for its prosperity. We need God's blessings through Christ Jesus. I pray that South Africa falls into the right government that will lead to everyone's success and prosperity. God does not know race, and does not care about race, for We are all one in Christ Jesus, Amen!

@veronicapetersen8915 25 күн бұрын

Love Douglas Murray. A very spot on and saying it like it is. I like listening to his talks. What a gentleman.

@TheTruth-dy8ze 27 күн бұрын

South Africa was a thriving country and very wealthy until the ANC took the reins. Corruption is rampant and as long as you have incompetent leadership it will continue. Too many tribal leaders that think they are better. Need to get rid of the inbuilt tribal structures otherwise it will continue to fail. To fix this beautiful country it needs a coalition of the best black and white leaders.

@fraudABSA 16 күн бұрын

have you heard of Coloureds and Indians..? 🇿🇦

@TheTruth-dy8ze 16 күн бұрын

@@fraudABSA Yup remember they had their own areas also. As afar as the Indians there it was mainly their choice to be and work there and could leave if they felt they wanted to. Are they better off today under the ANC that’s questionable.

@hanliegunter3676 Ай бұрын

"moral but disfunctional system" . . . what moral system is in place with the current government?

@ColinByrne-aiazmir Ай бұрын

Devolving power, authority and design to first, local, and then provincial regional development would be a better system, with a centralized overseeing body that can fulfill the roles that local and regional bodies cannot deliver, like foreign affairs and treasury.

@ingridluyt7538 Ай бұрын

Where and on which platform do we open the conversation surrounding the need to design a better system to take our political dispensation forward? Afriforum and others need to recognize that some of the sharpest minds are among those either previously or more lately impoverished / disadvantaged, if you will. We cannot pay to speak OUR MINDS.

@kristian762 16 күн бұрын

Well said

@jacquesb8927 26 күн бұрын

Very well explained!

@leonvanderlinde5580 20 күн бұрын

Under apartheid there were 4 provinces. These provinces were quite autonomous. That worked very well.

@donnafrey1404 Ай бұрын

Why aren't you showing the clip where Douglas Murray discusses this? Thirteen minutes of YOU talking about what he said isn't very interesting.

@wian7777 17 күн бұрын

Why listen then

@bngmnh3583 Ай бұрын

...S.Africa is heading for decimation The issue is, who will rebuild it from total ruins New infrastructure, new institutions, housing, honest govt etc That calls for skills, which these noisy quasi leaders lack.

@59veronika 19 күн бұрын

Very impressive thinking

@sabinekoch3448 15 күн бұрын

You are so right about trying to do my own taxes- am so happy that I have a lovely tax specialist,who is prepared to organise this. Probably doesn’t take him that long, but my goodness- that terminology and the percentages floor me…

@rianahayes84 29 күн бұрын

Listen to Gareth Hogg's interview with Organic Humanity Movement, called Democracy 101.

@petrabester8464 Ай бұрын

Insightful

@oso1248 Ай бұрын

They used to have a better political system, that’s been demonstrated for 3 decades.

@tasheathercollier2628 10 күн бұрын

I see South Africa today, as a modern day Tower of Babel.... hence the reason why I sympathize with all of it's people of different backgrounds, races, belief systems etc etc. The only solution as I see it is a " Revolution " not led by man, but rather by a mighty move of God by the power of the Holy Spirit. There is only one way that we as human beings can truly be united as one family and that is in non other than our Lord Jesus Christ. And the bible becomes our " manual of daily living " as we use this amazing and powerful WORD of GOD to instruct us as to how we are to live with one another, and treat and honor one another. There is no other way - but God's way, and yes as Jesus said it is a " hard and narrow way ", but it is the only way that leads to the life that only God, through Jesus Christ, and by the power of the Holy Spirit desires to give to us. My God Bless South Africa. Tas Collier, New Zealand

@Brommear 27 күн бұрын

So diversity is not working in a diverse country? Who could have thought?

@karlvanrooyen7402 Ай бұрын

I often wonder how the west thinks of there handy work regarding the "liberation " of SA.

@exposing_massive_banking_crime Ай бұрын

who cares?

@anthony64632 Ай бұрын

Every employment contract with Government must come up with a warning that if that person do corruption,automatic prison sentence. They should be warned from the beginning. Every bank acc must be checked , so in future if leave Job ,recheck bank acc to make sure that money match salary. If there is so much money more than expected, investigate

@exposing_massive_banking_crime Ай бұрын

its actually simple but why do they care if they dont face any consequences

@Mike-br8zt Ай бұрын

South Africa is like a Gatsby - many ingredients go into the making of both and they need to work together.

@Hitman-ds1ei 26 күн бұрын

Some times you have to get whst you wished for to know it wasn't what you needed !

@salomemalherbe677 Ай бұрын

Dankie Ernst .. is daar enige insig en erkenning deur die Swart en Engelse gemeenskappe oor die positiewe rol vd Afrikanervolk in die geskiedenis van ons land ? Of klou hulle nog aan hul eie ideologiese haatspraak teen ons vas as die enigste waarheid vd verlede ?

@nigelnaylor2556 Ай бұрын

Hi Salome. I am an English speaking citizen and hails from the Eastern Cape. Most of the Voortrekkers came from the Eastern Cape and quite few of the English from the Eastern Cape have the same mindset as the Voortrekkers. Thus we understand and appreciate the role and contribution of the Afrikaners and what they made of this country. However, there is one thing I do not understand about the Afrikaners now is how they have allowed other people to put a guilt trip on them. There is no reason why Afrikaners cannot hold their heads high and take up their rightful place in this country. Kindest regards. Nigel

@godfreyberry1599 Ай бұрын

@@nigelnaylor2556Agree. It's this whole GUILT TRIP thing that has had undue focus and played straight into the hands of the ANC which was nothing more than a communist/terrorist grouping completely unable/unwilling to actually GOVERN. They've been running SA in true Mafia style from the get-go.

@sophiastephanus4665 Ай бұрын

She is indeed Down to Earth since Zuma ANC and Ramophasa ANC GO To Hell. Mama South Africa

@salomemalherbe677 Ай бұрын

@nigelnaylor2556 Helo Nigel. Dankie vir jou woorde. However ... wat my verstom is die Engelse gemeenskap se blinde weiering om Pa te staan vir julle rol in die skokkende gebeure van ons land die afgelope 200 jaar !! meer spesifiek is die local Engelse se meedoënlose Haatspraak teen ons vanaf 1820 -1920 - 2020 Boerbasing en Black Sash ken jy dit ? Engelse denial dat hierdie die 3rde TAALOORLOG deur n Wêreld Empire is wat 5 Kontinente geplunder het .. hier in Suid Afrika teen n mede Europese Christen Volk in hul eie land kom afdwing het ...is skokkend

@Cris-wy9dv Ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@annabelladebeer2679 Ай бұрын

Interesting views.

@2balastair 27 күн бұрын

Where can we get the clip of that discussion you only start with. This feels a bit like clickbait

@salomemalherbe677 Ай бұрын

Wanneer gaan ons dus die aggressiewe verEngelsing van ons land praat as iets onsmaaklik .. oneties .. selfs onwettig ??!!

@nedor64 Ай бұрын

Verengelsing is nie die probleem nie, verswarting is die probleem.

@godfreyberry1599 Ай бұрын

@@nedor64 U het n Uitstekende punt daar beet. 100%

@0761ZoRO Ай бұрын

@@nedor64for as long as you continue to think like this you will never have peace in SA. How can blacks be a problem to you in their own country?

@exposing_massive_banking_crime Ай бұрын

but Afrikaners give their kids English names now....hensoppers

@HeinRichKocHPretoria 17 күн бұрын

All over the world, small local languages are dissappearing. More than half of all the people in the world, speak English.

@lookslikeme999 Ай бұрын

We don't live in a free society with equal rights for all.

@noone-zm2rl 26 күн бұрын

The anc has stripped us all from ouer rights and the criminals has more rights then the taxpayers take it like this the drug dealers have more rights then us that has been born in this country and the police protect the drug dealers time to vote the anc oud and but the power back to the people the anc has forgotten the taxpayers is the bosses of the anc not the atherway around

@johannesnel7896 10 күн бұрын

The "big country" and diversity shows clearly what the solution should be. Get rid of or reduce these two factors and you will have a better system.

@maseratifittipaldi Ай бұрын

A few major things need to happen : (a) Populism needs to be replaced with quality (b) Parliamentary representation should be geographic ( c ) Political party system scrapped ( d ) Governmental powers, functions, competencies, responsibilities and structures rationalized and (e) governmental and electoral systems overhauled.

@thokomanzini2453 Ай бұрын

You have said a mouthful

@nolaspeaker5656 Ай бұрын

Politics is rife with false dichotomies. There are very seldom just 2 things.

@lorrainefredericks7289 13 күн бұрын

I do not understand how we South Africans could let the ANC do what they did to our country where was the other political parties did they not have the power to interfere in all that was happening

@winstonowen2054 10 күн бұрын

The thumbnail was clickbait. However, the content was thought provoking

@charlesmiller-pk8hd Ай бұрын

You are preaching to the choir.

@exposing_massive_banking_crime Ай бұрын

that where the money is actually

@simphiwerini9652 Ай бұрын

The ANC hasnt fixed apartheid mess. ANC leaves apartheid legacy remains.

@garethbuckeridge6910 Ай бұрын

Perhaps because it suits the narrative of blaming the wicked British & Dutch for the ills of the past? Until todays SA can get past imperialism, it will never move forward.

@mikesutton9975 Ай бұрын

Have you heard of David Friedman’s idea of an anarcho-capitalist land where people have self governance by way of free association and purchasing services from private firms?

@Libra67jtc Ай бұрын

The issue with South Africa is that since 1994 we all became complacent in a country that we thought was going to become all inclusive when if we as citizens were realistic from day one we would have known that this was not going to be the case. Behind the scenes those in the corridors of political power who were networking prior to the election were simply setting themselves up for a huge payday and we see that now in the case that there are a number of ultra wealthy SA who simply played the game. Getting rich through legitimate ways is admirable, however the roles have simply been switched. South Africans should educate themselves more with regards the political scene in SA and get more involved then perhaps they would vote with their conscience and not their emotions. Citizens should not sit on the sidelines and complain about what the government is not doing if they not willing to hold their council men and local politicians accountable. The country is failing due to LACK of ACCOUNTABILITY which in turn breeds CORRUPTION. You can have the best politicians with the best intentions but if there is no ACCOUNTABILITY and TRANSPARENCY then it is all futile. No current political party in SA can play the race card anymore and when voters go to the ballot boxes these are the parties to avoid because if they continue voting wiith their emotions the next 30 years will simply be a repeat of the passed 30 years with added compund interest which will ultimately lead to SA imploding. SA needs a coalition of parties to form a government whereby they can monitor each other and hold each other accountable for a better SA. South africans need to clean house and become proud South Africans again. If South Africans were as passionate about their politics as they are about there sports teams we would be a strong nation again. VOTE IN 2024 WITH YOUR CONSCIENCE AND NOT YOUR EMOTIONS.

@user-md4op6ko3y Ай бұрын

Very well said I couldn't put it better myself somebody who at least understands the Politics and History of South Africa

@donaldgray2128 Ай бұрын

Yes fully agree

@gregkosinski2303 Ай бұрын

There WAS a better system for South Africa.

@rickybosman6158 Ай бұрын

One way to correct our political system is that only voters who contribute to our tax base qualify to vote.

@dianesanderson930 Ай бұрын

Thanks, a very interesting point of view. However, were the 4 provinces which we had 50-odd years ago not much alike to this idea? What should occur to bring a similar system into process; by all or most current leaders with obviously new blood represented. Particularly forward thinkers not dogmatic or demanding personalities? I'm very interested in being informed.