PLEASE make sure you subscribe to both Geoff Buys Cars and Challenge The Road! Richard is on 8,270 subscribers as I type this and I want to see him on 10,000 by Friday, come on my people, LET"S GO! Richard deserves it.

How sad is it when a human being finds turning a key or pressing a button to get in a car to time consuming?

You touched on this but the real scandal is the apprent inability of the police to identify where many 100s of large near 3 tonne vehicles go to despite having access to trackers, mobile phone records, ANPR and wall to wall high quality CCTV across every town, city and roadway in the country.

I had a Polaris Ranger stolen last year. I contacted my insurance company, NFU, to register the theft and the call handler laughed and said she was relieved it wasn't another Range Rover. I asked why and she said all the claims she'd that day were all Range Rovers and Land Rovers, 8 in a row.

This should be a lesson for the introduction of all technological solutions..just because tech can do something doesn’t mean it should, especially when all the unintended outcomes haven’t been given proper consideration.

You can hide a AirTag or other device after removing mic, but everyone who steals these cars will all have mobiles so the police could track them if they were not too busy policing social media

With insurance at £25,000 who is going to buy one at any price? They will literally become worthless.

It takes five seconds to disable keyless entry on a RR. Headlight Button x 3 Lock Button X 1

My renewal has just come in for my F Pace SVR (Range Rovers’s cousin) and my wife’s Volvo V40. We both have many years of no claims and clean licenses (53 years in my case) they wanted £2850 up from £1300 last year!! Ow much! Anyway got it for £1200 from another insurer so job’s jobbed. But I was chatting to the service manager at my Jag dealer about insurance and he said the problem is insurance companies are writing off cars for ridiculous reasons. This group also sell Audi and his Audi counterpart told him they had a 2022 A6 (I think). A pigeon had hit the front smashing a headlight and doing minor damage. Unfortunately Audi were unable to give the insurers any date when they would be able to supply the replacement light. They were talking 2 years (sounds ridiculous to me but my man swears it’s true) so as the insurance company aren’t allowed (or won’t) to use secondhand or pattern parts and they weren’t prepared to pay for a hire car for that long, they wrote it off. That’s why premiums are so ridiculous. Sounds truly weird but I am prepared to believe anything in this insane country.

I lived in East London in the early 90s. I drove a 1986 Skoda Estelle because it was invisible to car thieves. It was bad then, but it sounds like it's orders of magnitude worse now. Even way back then I could see society in the UK deteriorating rapidly.

I worked for Hastings Direct for a year, in their training dept, and one thing I learned is that it can be more expensive to insure some cars if you park them on your driveway than if you park them on the road. And it's exactly for this reason (thieves knowing which house to target to nick the car)

Mike Brewer on stage at the Classic Motor Show a few weeks ago had a big pop at the police for doing nothing to address car theft crime, even when they are told where the stolen car is. I think he had a classic old Fiesta stolen, and to say he has been massively unimpressed with the police would be an understatement. BTW when he said that on stage he got a loud positive response from the entire audience, which indicates that other people feel the same.

Its not just new(ish) Range Rovers. I'm from a farming/rural background. Over the previous 30 odd years practically everyone I know that run Defenders had them stolen, even when parked in locked barns down long drive ways in the middle of nowhere.

Never been a fan of keyless entry. If LR dont sort this they will be done, but 90 cars a week in London with all those ANPR cameras, under the label of ULEZ, makes you wonder if its actively being ingnored by the MET. Great video. Think I will stick with my old 2010 Mazda.

I have a 2016 Diesel Evoque. I’m 70yrs old, full no claims, done 7k mileage in 18 months, and live in a low rate insurance post code. Last year my insurance was £330 fully comp, this year I’m being Quoted £560, and now the value of my car has dropped to just 7-8k. I sat there with my mouth open aghast … I did an insurance comparison, and only 1 other company came through at just £18 cheaper. All the rest were x2 and x3 times higher. Just what the hell is going on??

The proper question should be is who is looking the other way, if 90 can get stolen in a week then someone has to notice where they are going be either ringed, broken or more than likely straight into a container for export

My girlfriends insurance has gone up 55%, full no claims on a VW up! All being done on purpose.

There are so many videos explaining how easy they are to steal 🤦 As for the key thing, ford did the same thing about their keys where they upgraded them to stop sending the signal out after 40 seconds You should still keep your keys in a Faraday pouch regardless

As soon as I bought my BMW 5 series F11 a few years ago, I had the keyless entry coded out. It’s not too much of an effort to press a button and peace of mind watching the it flash as it locks.

Who could possibly have thought that radio based car keys could make the car easier to steal?

I bought a 'faraday cage' pouch which completely shields the key pulses. I've tested it and my 2013 RR Sport wont unlock with the key in the pouch. I also use a disc lock on the steering wheel and always turn the steering fully to the left before locking (Jeremy Clarkson tip to prevent being dragged onto a lorry)

The issue of someone breaking into your house to take the keys is a very real worry, especially if you have young kids, etc. If someone breaks in to the wrong house this is going to get messy…

For less than £5 I fitted a hidden kill switch to My M2. I’ve had loads of people try and start the car with the key and look for it and all have failed.

My mate had his range rover stolen last year, his home CCTV recorded the whole thing. Two blokes one laptop, two minutes and gone. They got the key signal by standing on the driveway below his bedroom window while he was asleep. About 6 weeks later he saw his steering wheel on ebay, recognised it by the tiny white paint smudge he hadn't had a chance to clean off. Messaged seller pretending to be a local buyer and could he collect? (200 miles away from where it went missing) Forwarded the sellers details and address to the police. Apparently they went round and the seller denied everything. A few weeks after that, my mate had bought another range rover to replace the stolen one, and tried to buy the pop out side steps off his old one as they were still listed on ebay. The seller blocked him.....

the 4x4 from the ULEZ scrappage scheme have been turning up in interesting places around the world

Car technology was about right 20 years ago. Anything since is either pointless, useless, or plain stupid 🤷. My needs are ICE, manual gearbox, a steering wheel (no yoke 🤭), 3 pedals, actual knobs and switches. Not even that bothered about a radio or leccy windows. Some would say I’m a simple man 😅

When you consider the amount of camera's everywhere, including house camera's, a burglar or someone stealing a car would be on film from beginning to end, so it says a lot about the Agenda in play.

But its so simple, DISABLE the Comfort Access, JLR Dealerships should do it for free and issue a certificate. There is nothing wrong with a remote FOB! better than not being able to insure it!

4 insurance companies refused to insure a Evoque for 60k. All said the same thing 'no way'. Managed to find one - just under 6k.

This is nothing new, I was burnt by the ‘joyriding craze’ in the early nineties. I had a three year old XR2 which I’d paid £5000 for and £340 to insure. The following year I was quoted £1250 to insure it and it was then valued at £1200 as the market for any hot hatch had collapsed due to insurance hikes. I ended up swapping it for a six year old Mini City E 998cc which was £200 fully comp. 🤷‍♂️

Great vid, a proper informed, rational and considered discussion. This is what more of is needed. I remember the Cossie problems, was about the Tim I got rid of my modded Ford too As for having an electric car, no chance. I get range anxiety on my mobile, I be so stressed with a vehicle the meds would mean I couldn't drive anyway!

A similar thing happened to me in the 80's. I had a red Renault 5 GTTurbo. Had to sell it because theft caused the insurance to go through the roof, as happened with all hot hatches then.

I’m not a car guy but love your channel when you just taken about the main injustices going on etc. One of my customers told me that recently 20 Range Rovers have been stolen in 3 months in an area called Thorpe Bay (rich people).

They dont get driven to the docks as you cant drive in the docks. They go to a garage and get put into containers. 3 full ones and 3 front clips jammed in. That gets trucked to the docks. Very few get stop checked and searched. Once in the docks its loaded and off. Sure its something like

Saw a Range Rover being chased by police on the M60 (Manchester) yesterday! They dipped off at a junction and then I watched the police go straight on unfortunately. Relay attack is so easy.

When I heard about the problem with keyless entry & start with cars being stolen that was a red warning light from me to stay away from them altogether. This was many years ago and I have kept my current car many years after I would have normally changed as a result.

I purposely choose my car variant one down from the top model to avoid keyless ignition - I use a key ,how hard can it be :)))

I've just subscribed to Richard's channel. Range Rover have absolutely shot themselvese in the foot. JLR appear to be on a self-destruct course with their flagrant disregard towards customers over the flooded cars and now their dismissal over these thefts. Wow.

I switched my keyless entry off, very easy to do, also move keys away from front door and in a wallet blocking the signal. Unfortunately paying ridiculous insurance rate.

Another aspect to this is that a lot of these cars were probably bought on finance. You could be seriously under water on that if your 60 grand car drops to 30k over night when you still owe 50k on it. Especially if you have to offload it because the insurance is silly money now. That would be quite galling.

I saw Richard's excellent video on RR values/thefts and whilst being completely shocking it gave me a warm smug feeling, being a life long RR hater. I've still subbed because he deserves more support.

When there was a vehicle theft epidemic back in the early 90's, the industry upped their game on security. 30 plus years down the line, we are back to square one, it seems nothing has been learned from history.

I remember back in the early 90's when market conditions meant you could buy a decent condition Jaguar xj6 for £50 but no one wanted them because most people could only afford to drive a Nisan micra.

I have keyless go… I simply bought a key pouch…..They work, if you press the button from inside the pouch nothing transmits to the car. This issue with keyless has been around for many many years. I know this doesn’t address the madness of this insurance problem, but the pouch works like a dream.

Thank you. I didn’t know why NFU told me they wouldn’t be interested to insure at all - now I do. I was actually looking at the older 2nd hand market 2010 to 2014 which are already a great deal but this will presumably wipe out any remaining value

Awesome video Geoff, I’m not at L322 status yet although I do fancy a 4.4 V8 at somepoint… I currently own a RR 2.5TD P38, it’s 23yrs old and is probably the last of the ‘agricultural’ RR’s before they went all fancy-pants. I have my insurance with Adrian Flux, have done for a while and I have my small fleet all insured with them, so the P38 ins was up for renewal in early summer at a cost of around £600 fully comp but due to me using other vehicles I just took this one off the road for awhile as I didn’t really need it. Come the end of autumn a few months later I rang my insurer to reinsure the P38 and to my surprise I had to downgrade the policy from fully comp to TPF&T as quotes were coming in at nearly £1800-£2000 fully comp! 3x what I was quoted only 3 or so months earlier! Managed to get it just shy of £1000 but as I say that is now on a TPF&T policy. When I asked why there was such an increase in the policy, I was told it was down to the fact that so many land rovers were being stolen! I did ask why they were tarring all Land Rover products with the same brush, as I explained no twit with a laptop is going to be nicking my Range Rover at any time soon! That thing will need lifting with a hiab as it’s so old 😂 So it seems no matter what age of Land Rover product you have, everyone’s policy is absolutely going crazy at the moment and it does seem slightly unfair that we are all being tarnished.

The keyless theft also happens to the Lexus RX (2018 -2022) models. Mine was stolen from my driveway in June of this year. So it not only Range Rovers affected by this problem.

I have a heavy steel pedal lock and cover which is a bit of a pain to put on but impossible to get off without the key and prevents anyone driving it away.

That was a brilliant podcast. To think that it was two blokes chatting about their concerns and appreciation of cars and associated topics. Some interesting issues discussed. I now understand why I don't engage with any mainstream media content.

The same issue exists when attempting to insure your home in a "flood risk" area. Insurance companies are very risk averse to such an extent now that "coverage" in many sectors is being put under the microscope.

Looked at a Range Rover, looked at a Land cruiser, it dosen't have the CHAV cudos but the land cruiser is RELIABLE, why do people buy Range Rovers?

They should do what Volvo does. The car doesn't look for a key until your hand slides in the handle. Then, the Key Fob has a G-Sensor that only wakes the key up when moved. When you put it down, the Fob goes to sleep and cannot be woken with a signal.

If you have keyless entry it's best to keep the key in a metal box or a Faraday bag so they can't boost the signal. On the salvage rebuilds uk channel they had a range rover the transponder is easy to get to and the board for the keyless entry can be reprogrammed with a laptop

Be it car theft, burglary or shoplifting, there seems to be very little interest in the police or criminal justice system addressing crimes. Given how expensive these cars are the technology protecting them is woeful.

Here in Canada my insurance provider actually paid for a anti theft system called Tag as my Honda CRV was one of the top stolen vehicles here in Ontario. The thefts here are off the charts with Range and Land Rovers part of the list. Dodge Ram Pickups, Lexus etc. They sent letters around to the most stolen vehicles offering to pay for TAG and Etching. The cost to them was approx $400 CDN dollars. Desjardin was my insurer and I jumped at this chance to have this done. Also you don;t get this work done your rates will go up!

In fairness, I drive an Evoque coupe without keyless entry, and once I mentioned that, my insurer gave me a reasonable £330 fully comp. Maybe it’s worth just having the keyless module removed, to disable that function? I’m sure it could be coded out easily if JLR allowed it.

I shudder to think how much we've paid in insurance over the years. Our family health insurance is 1300€ per month here in Germany and we must have it being self employed. I can add up in a few minutes the very small claims that we've made. Insurance is a big scam.

I got an email from a local lease company and to show the desperation of how badly they must be trying to shift EV’s, it was a business deal for a Mercedes E-Vito, £1000 deposit and £94+VAT a month. Not sure could even lease a car privately for less. Oh and the range is terrible think it suggested in their own words 86 miles

Back in the early ‘90s you couldn’t get insurance on XR2 / XR3 / XR4/ cosworth . We were given 2 x RS 2000i escorts , from FMC. We were not allowed to work on them, so around 10yrs ago we scrapped them (with less than 500 miles on clock)

Thank you Geoff, interesting exchange on a current, car affairs subject. Appreciate the broad scope of topics on your channel. About cars, on Instagram today I read that Morsels and Motors wants to find a new owner for his Volvo 240 GLT stationcar. From what I have read on that post, one of the oldest GLT's in the UK still on the road today! I hope that is a real Geoff Car, from the pictures, I reckon it is. Thought I might aswell share here. Thank you, hope the situation for the affected cars and the owners, will be returned to normal as soon as possible.

28:43 I’ve been running an EV for a year, covering 16k miles. The range is meant to be 280. It’s never seen anywhere near it, no matter which season. Best it’s ever seen is 229 in the summer and generally hovers around 185 thought winter. Remember this is based on using 100% of the battery and not the recommended 20/80% by the manufacturer for battery preservation. I wouldn’t have another, even if it was a Taycan.

Geoff, the one thing you didn't cover enough is..... the misgivings of our police force in Protecting the public's property. Why do we pay our taxes? Are the police reacting to this crime wave? Get a response from the MET? What's the recovery rate for these stolen vehicles?

We are living in some crazy times. I never thought newish R.R.s could be stolen within a minute. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Brilliant video, thought provoking. cheers Geoff

Why does anyone in London even need a Range Rover ?

Black spots insurance areas are test cases. You'll see it on property as well in the next few years.

My latest car I had the fortunate option of not have keyless entry - I had two Ford fiestas stolen within 5 months of another due to them being keyless entry and the ease at which they steal. Having a steering lock negates the whole point of keyless entry as I thought the idea was that it makes a seamless experience possible.

Absolutely brilliant thanks Jeff

The police ain't got time to tackle car crime, there too busy falsely arresting AB Yardley Ski etc. etc. or anyone with a phone or camera outside a " sensitive " site, 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

I am so glad I still have one of those old fashioned remote locking keys 😂

The insurance premiums issue is evening impacting older Range Rovers by association. I have a 1995 P38 and a couple of insurers refused to cover it at renewal time this year

Couple of points. I had a ghost fitted and I’m convinced it screwed with the tech in the car in particular the ICE - continual errors. 2nd - Very simple process for the owner to disable keyless go on the vehicle completely, also how many double lock their vehicle from the remote or even know that’s a thing?

This is a start. The powers that be will price us off the road. It’s started subtly with low speed limits, Ulez zones and cameras. Next is rocket insurance prices. Then high fuel prices. It’s going to come.

All this electronic key and keyless entry nonsense has made these new cars very easy to steal. You can't beat an old Ford with an old style key and a stoplok. Job done.

Excellent informative chat. Thank you.

Regarding comments about hybrid, I looked into one after getting rid of my range rover but as someone who keeps hold of my cars for a long time, I was put off by the eventual cost of replacing the battery cells when they eventually fail.

I can't understand car theives. A little while ago, three hooded men came and stole our neighbour's Volkswagen golf R, by jumping over their fence, breaking into their kitchen extension patio doors, then stealing his car keys off the kitchen table and away they went. We had it all on CCTV and gave the footage to the police on request. Evidentally they were from West Yorkshire according to the police. The most utterly bizarre thing about the whole event, was that they made absolutely no attempt, whatsoever, to steal our Nissan Leaf, bizarre ?

I like how i bought a cheap Range Rover sport 2 weeks ago and all this now :D

The issue with RRS has been resolved though. Mine was called in addressed. It was the 2021 version. Getting the 2024 model which is now P460E. I think it has been addressed though. I put a steering lock on as well.

You have to protect your key there was a video of a 350k RR that was stolen using an key amplifier. Some brands allow you to disable the keyless entry unless you press the physical button on the keyfob

This is why I drive old cars because no complicated tech or other gumf. It's got a key it does what it says on the tin. I certainly can find something else to spend 60k on than a a naff rangerover.

you should build your own top gear team, seeing as the jobs vacant!

I have a 2020 tiguan with keyless entry and VW implement a function to lock the car and disable keyless entry at the same time, I do this every time I park up for the night.

That Taycan looks amazing I’d love one , range anxiety would be the death of me , but what a way to go , flat out in a Taycan due to frustration .

Phones have for years either been finger print or lately face recognition..cant be that hard to do it on cars (without that info going back to the Borg collective as well)

Thanks Geoff. Very interesting. Good to see the police are working hard to prevent this. But, I have heard about this happening and though it doesn’t seem as big a problem with Jaguar, I keep my keys in a drawer near the front door. So I have started keeping them in a small stout metal box that will ( hopefully) keep the signal from being intercepted. Wonder if anyone has come across a company who is marketing shielding boxes for car keys. Maybe a business opportunity!!!

Here in Canada they load them in containers anywhere and then send them to the ship calling them spare parts. The only good thing is container prices have doubled or tripled in 2 years.

Value was dropping like a stone and the insurance doubled on our RR Evoque. Some insurers wouldn’t insure it. Stories of some owners with cars on lease and can’t get insurance. Made up our minds. Loved the car but we had to sell it.

Let’s be honest it’s not just Land Rover who has this problem is it? but it’s the brand that seems to get aired most on U Tube or other media outlets as it’s good for ratings. I’m sure more coverage will only worsen the suffering…….be good to see other brands affected discussed too 👍

What a fantastic video, I had no idea what the issue was about Land Rovers although I knew something was up. I thought maybe it was all the fires, but no, it's JLR being iffy. I can see a mass action coming like with VW diesels. Geoff you are becoming very informative, bit like what used to be the news, you are going to need to buy a tie. hahahahaha Richard is getting a sub off me BTW.

I’ve got a 2014 Ranger Rover Sport and have disabled the keyless entry and use a disklock it’s not worth a lot but I like the car just wondering if disabling the keyless entry helps?

Superb video Geoff 👍. Just did an insurance quote on a 2019 Range Rover Sport and it was....... £1300. Maybe it needs to be a newer vehicle for the intergalactic prices.

80 a day stolen in London alone ,,, thief's are driving around looking for them in carparks hospital,s and shopping centres ,,,😮

The police will be too busy with wrong thinkers, and people from the far-right to be worried about car theft. All car insurance has gone up considerably, and if you are a pensioner (like me) and live in a village where there is no public transport, (like me) what choice do you have but to pay up, otherwise, you ain't going anywhere. What with ULEZ, 20 MPH zones and the cost of motoring these days, I can see a lot of people driving around with no insurance, and dodgy plates🤔

I watched the video this morning and think that JLR are seriously damaging the RR brand, if that could be any worse, btw! People won’t think, ‘Oh, we’ll avoid particular years of RR’s.’, they’ll think, ‘Oh, we’ll avoid full stop.’ This is likely to cause the demise of the brand.

Where do all these cars go?? Problem with van brake ins too and the tools being nicked 😢

Car auctions are full of them reliability is also a massive issue plus easy to steal

Why would anyone steal a Range Rover? It'll break down 100 yards down the road. 🤣

In the US, car owners put their remotes in a Faraday cage for keys. These are inexpensive on Amazon.

Hi Geoff i just swap my 2019 msrt transit for a 2018 discovery 5 and it was actually cheaper to insurer by £160 a year so only £530 a year now but the excess was 5% of the value of the vehicle discovery my insurance is a fleet policy though