In this Part 2 video I catch up with Richard from @Challengetheroad to find out how he's holding Jaguar Land Rover and their CEO responsible, and asking for answers on behalf of vehicle owners.
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@GeoffBuysCars5 ай бұрын
Audio is crap and we go on a bit and still it gets more views than me spending a grand doing a track day 😂 can’t make it up. Tomorrow we are doing the Bristol fire, more on plummeting RR values and also getting the Renault running. How about we get it running smoothly and I go for a columbian farmer coffee and a video on Wednesday..?! That was a popular video 😂
@Richard_Barnes5 ай бұрын
You pair going on a track day isn't interesting though so that's why 😆 I want real life stuff not pissing about on track days.
@Lookup2Wakeup5 ай бұрын
To be fair, I didn't watch the track days as it didn't interest me. But that's not a criticism of your output. Its just that I prefer the more controversial content..
@GeoffBuysCars5 ай бұрын
@@Lookup2Wakeupnope I didn’t see that as a criticism! I get it 👍👍
@GeoffBuysCars5 ай бұрын
@@Richard_Barneslots of real life stuff this week as I’m having a week at home / less road trips. Apart from a potential trip to collect a French 80s classic on Thursday.
@mastershaun64125 ай бұрын
Geoff gets knobbly tyres for L322 and enter TYRO or RTV great fun you’ll have plus would make good content as cheap fun anyone can do. If you want you can double up driving my L320?
@wayland71505 ай бұрын
Unless the Range Rover is stolen from someone with a protected characteristic then it's not a hate crime. You can't expect expensive police time to be wasted on non-hate crimes.
@andypicken78485 ай бұрын
wayland7150 One protected characteristic is race (any race) as all victims of car crime will be of some race, ultimately all the victims (if they percieve themselves to have been targeted on because of their race) will have been subject to hate crime.
@evildiesel78505 ай бұрын
Had a BMW 335D nicked 10 years or so ago through the OBD hack which was well known - moaned to BMW. Their response was to send a new car brochure to 'help' me choose my next car. At that point I had had 5 new BMW's - it did help as I haven't driven one since.
@lezbarker26735 ай бұрын
People with EV’s mustn’t have kids as it seems no one is talking about our young teenage kids. We have three teenagers all have cars and not EV’s I won’t let them even drive in them not that any are around. Who can afford EV’s for their kids who could charge three or four cars from home anyway you can’t have electric cords running out on the street plus they drain the grid. It’s sheer stupidity we will not buy EV’s we would never buy second third or fourth hand EV’s and our kids do not want them as we don’t want them either. We are now learning how dangerous they are in accidents the batteries do not crumple like cars do to protect the drivers or those hit by other cars these EV’s are solid blocks of heavy batteries and that’s dangerous as hell. They also catch fire and the smoke alone is toxic it is poison. We need cheap safe cars for our kids we will not waste money on EV’s.
@sysakPL5 ай бұрын
Just so you know if your car starts to crumple where a battery normally would be your chances of survival aren't the greatest to begin with😅
@robindumpleton37425 ай бұрын
With the holidays coming up, charging with kids, must be hell on earth waiting for an hour or two for a charge with moaning kids. From three years ago we visited Cambridge services at Christmas and it was hell, chargers under construction, no space in the car park 🙁
@martinlang96155 ай бұрын
What annoys me, these rich trendies are pushing up our insurance premiums. So ICE powered insurances are subsidising EV insurances. Fairness personified (sarcasm here).
@theclotshotdidit31155 ай бұрын
@@sysakPLI thought in most EV'Ss the battery was part of the floor, are you saying the battery is only the rear half of the floor? Because the crumple zone in most modern ICE cars is pretty much everything in front of the driver and I'm sure most EV's the battery goes further forward than the driver. Unlike ICE cars where hitting a brick fallen from a lorry on the motorway, or a raised manhole cover might damage the sump, with the EV battery, one little hole and it's thermal runaway time.
@Lookup2Wakeup5 ай бұрын
@@theclotshotdidit3115Scrap time too if the underside of the battery is damaged....😮
@phillipwilliams46745 ай бұрын
The Australian view of the Land Rover;- If you want to explore the outback, buy a Land Rover. If you want to get back home afterwards, buy a Toyota.
@strangep15 ай бұрын
Yawn
@MrTangolizard5 ай бұрын
Wasn’t that from the 80s
@davidfield38894 ай бұрын
Let's be honest, most of us Aussies don't venture into the outback. Dirt tracks and some beaches but mostly road trips. Perfect for us average Range Rover owners Very happy with my 2015 SV6 sport.
@mickapps31535 ай бұрын
Why would any insurance company want to insure an item they know is likely to be stolen?
@nickrudd25685 ай бұрын
Thats exactly the gamble they took by becoming insurers.
@barrieshepherd76945 ай бұрын
@@nickrudd2568It's my cynical view that Insurance Cos. never take risks in what they insure 😂 Even minimal risk business is reisured elsewhere, at our cost.
@Lookup2Wakeup5 ай бұрын
No, no, no yes ..... no. Oh fook who cares.😂
@Lookup2Wakeup5 ай бұрын
@@nickrudd2568It's the underwriters that have to pay out. Remember the Lloyds Names fiasco?......🤔
@999hireactionvehicles95 ай бұрын
Amigos it's admigated risk they are past paying out for these who would
@johnpatrick15885 ай бұрын
Insurance companies may figure if a person is stupid enough to buy a 150k Range Rover or any $150k car they will pay anything for insurance.
@G-ra-ha-m5 ай бұрын
LOL. :D
@chaseshadow5 ай бұрын
Vanity has no cost to the ego monsters they've conditioned.
@ibrarhussain15015 ай бұрын
True 100%
@user-mp2kk7qk5g5 ай бұрын
The people buying expensive cars generally aren’t stupid. But the people who can only afford to buy cheap second hand cars aren’t necessarily the brightest in society, are usually jealous of the success of others, and can only articulate this with words such as ‘stupid’…
@topfuelteddy5 ай бұрын
@@user-mp2kk7qk5g😂😂 Most people buying expensive cars are not actually " buying " them , I'm sure you are aware of that .
@robfallon63465 ай бұрын
Wait till he sees how much his Porsche tincan depreciates. Lol
@Lookup2Wakeup5 ай бұрын
Who The MacMaster? Has it gone down again .....😂
@stevezodiac4915 ай бұрын
@@Lookup2Wakeupboth this guy and the macmaster.
@Trev55 ай бұрын
If a good percentage of RR owners move over to Taycan's, the values will stabilise...?
@hcw1995 ай бұрын
Multicultural Britain.... Don't you just love it!
@albertsmith10485 ай бұрын
Paid £185 last January the 6th for fully comprehensive on my 2009 Peugeot 107. Got the reminder yesterday £306 for the same insurance level, no change at my end other than celebrating my 73 Birthday. A quick google on a comparison site returned a very reputable company with an offer of £175. Guess which one has my business this year. The public are having their drawers pulled down and their backsides spanked, simple as that.
@egg399.5 ай бұрын
Do tell, which insurer?
@ianhughes78055 ай бұрын
We definitely need another set of insurers who are focused and wish to serve a particular market, with sensible premiums rather than the conglomerates
@raptorheli25 ай бұрын
Can I just add a point of order, it isn't insurance companies, it's the underwriters which there isn't a lot of them to choose from unfortunately. They are all woke as hell so unless someone has the money not bothered by the woke crowd things look grim. I've got a letter from my MP from the FCA that insurance prices are going up again basically as they are losing money still. Incredible!!
@Lookup2Wakeup5 ай бұрын
Electricity going up again on 01 January. It costs me a fortune charging my storage heaters every night, let along an EV.
@Mitch-Hendren5 ай бұрын
Tell me about it .that was a b****rds trick that ordinary rate up from 21p to 24p night rate 7p to 18p sneaked that one in past the regulators didnt they .( Power ni)
@ianhughes78055 ай бұрын
@@raptorheli2 Thanks for the update
@alihenderson59105 ай бұрын
Has anybody considered the possibility that this is a conspiracy between the government, manufacturer and insurers to finally kill the large 4x4 market? Considering the green evangelism that exists now and the apparent police indifference to the problem. After what we've been through the last few years, anyone thinking 'they wouldn't do that' is incredibly naive.
@AdeptHavelock5 ай бұрын
Just had my renewal on my MY05 Disco 3 SE from Churchill. Went up from £325 last year to just £381 for the renewal. Admittedly I'm 57 with clean history and only use it for less than 8k miles/year so I thought that was reasonable. Went on Quido compare and got quoted £365 with £45 cashback which is £5 less than last year. Called Churchill to haggle and got then down to £345 which is about inflation rate. I call that a result for those of us trying to save the planet by keeping old diesels on the road 👍 (BTW...according to Martin Lewis, 23 days prior to renewal is the sweet spot for the best renewal price)
@serenitycoastUK5 ай бұрын
Your lucky. My insurance via comparison sites doubled. This is for a 2009 insignia valued at £800. The sites wanted around £1000+ . When I went for a new quote via my current provider website it went to £1700! When I called them it went up by £50 from the previous year which meant my insurance was £520. I'm 37yo, 12 years no claims and 10k miles in the garage clean licence... It's because of these EV's if you hit one they have to quarantine them as they are dangerous they are also expensive to repair so your subsidising these types of cars.
@peterdale78965 ай бұрын
I have come to this issue a little late and I am not sure who Richard is but he is on the right track to find a solution. Insurance is simple. Everything is based on risk. That's how is all start with Edward Lloyd in 1688. He would insure only the more competent sea captains. He made his own judgment based on his own observations and knowledge . Here we are in 2023 with a vehicle that has become uninsurable. What would Edward Lloyd do. He would want owners/the manufacturers to make these vehicles almost impossible to steal and conceal. With the vast array of trackers, electronic security devices etc then this is more than achievable. It is particularly important to JLR because no Insurance for a Range Rover equals no sales and that is the road to bankruptcy. I worked in Risk Management and helped high risk banking groups in high risk countries around the world with their Insurance. Same principles applied as Edward Lyoyd would apply. OK a little more complex but same principles. It always worked out for all concerned. This problem is no different. Richard, look at it this way. JLR are in a fix. You and your insurer come up with a workable solution and you sell them the solution to JLR who pick up the tab. You sell your accredited insurerance solution to the thousands of JLR owners who are also in a fix. I realise it is not that simple but the principles of Insurance are all about risk. This is emminantly fixable.... Maybe then I can buy a Range Rover.... .
@cornishhh5 ай бұрын
@@serenitycoastUK So they quoted you £1,700 but when you called them it was £520? How did they justify that? Last year my insurance (I used a local broker) went from £198 to nearly £500. The first quote I got elsewhere was under £200. I ended up with paying £169. I should have asked the broker what they were up to, but I couldn't be bothered. It was disappointing because I'd used them for several years.
@DaleSteel5 ай бұрын
Your car is a old banger nobody is stealing them if anything people can't give them away.
@cornishhh5 ай бұрын
@@DaleSteel Old bangers, even for scrap, are worth far more than they were a few years ago.
@johnsamson-snell95585 ай бұрын
Thank you for putting this out there. I’m one who has “skin in the game” as I am a current owner of a Range Rover L405. Fortunately my insurance is not due for renewal until May next year so, hopefully things will get sorted before then. Otherwise I will just park the car up and buy something else. There’s no point in selling my gorgeous Range Rover as it’s virtually worthless. I am one of the people who have had Land Rovers for the past 40 years. It would be sad if this one were to be my last.
@davidkettell10735 ай бұрын
BUY A TOYATA LIKE EVERYONE ELSE WITH A FUNCTIONAL BRAIN ?
@Challengetheroad5 ай бұрын
Thanks Geoff, great to talk through with you and will keep you updated. Things are moving at a pace at the moment. Richard
@davewalker57065 ай бұрын
why on earth does nobody suggest these crimes be stamped out with penalties that are harsh and vicious in the absolute extreme to act as deterrent. Surely any sane society would have zero tolerance of crimes such as car theft and where it is perpetrated with violence, how can it not be a capital office!!!!!
@klnine5 ай бұрын
like us in the M East !
@hcw1995 ай бұрын
They don't want to shine a light on the problems they imported.
@Lookup2Wakeup5 ай бұрын
Yes I agree. A day in the stocks for the first offence, then staking out in the hot sun, I mean rain for the second......😂
@G-ra-ha-m5 ай бұрын
This is not a sane society. It taxes people for seeking shelter (Council tax) via threats of taking people's home, while shipping hundreds of thousands of nice young african men into the country without any tax, rather with free hotels, food, medicine and spending money. When a government is at war with the people of a country, insanity is expected.
@rickshaw27795 ай бұрын
Police far too busy going after villains for tweeting something on X that upset some snowflake's feelings.
@nickrudd25685 ай бұрын
Clue: WEF intervention. They are everywhere important.
@williamrae99545 ай бұрын
Bet their Maybachs are never stolen?
@chris-non-voter5 ай бұрын
How manufacturers can continue selling cars that are so easy to steal after all these years is deplorable, and they deserve to go out of business. As for idiots buying cars that are so easy to steal, we'll don't be surprised if it gets stolen. Years ago I had a hidden switch (simple on-off) between the starter/horn so if anyone tried starting it, it wouldn't start, but the horn sounded.
@andylaauk5 ай бұрын
The insurance companies aren't bothered, they are too bothered fleecing people.
@antonymcneillis5 ай бұрын
I had my RR Sport Autobiography ordered but cancelled when I got silly insurance quotes starting at £5,600. So I am sticking with my Porsche whose insurance for me was £600.00 Pa. I could have been a new RR customer.
@andrewwaller59135 ай бұрын
Well at least the Porsche won't break down. Won't stop it being stolen possibly though.
@MrR6pilot5 ай бұрын
Maybe JLR should "outsource" their security issues to a 3rd party company. I.e get ghost to retrofit their system to all new cars at dealerships before delivery - then they won't be getting stolen in the first place
@billynomates9205 ай бұрын
yeah, just not to kia
@Mac_F875 ай бұрын
The problem is Ghost immobilisers are not Thatcham approved so make no difference to the insurance premiums.
@HONDAVFRV45 ай бұрын
JLR should offer customers a choice. Do you want a keyless vehicle, that can be stolen quite quickly or a key ignition vehicle.
@Barbarapape5 ай бұрын
All of these insurance issues must be affecting sales of them both new and used. The insurance companies are there to make a profit, and clearly see the theft rate of Range Rovers as something that carry too high a risk. until JLR get their act togeather nothing will change. Time for all the owners to join forces and take out a class action, or buy another brand.
@matthewgodwin30505 ай бұрын
Check out recent videos on Car UK and Vision Prestige. Range Rover and Land Rover vehicles are going through auctions and getting no bids. At one place, there were over 40 Land Rover vehicles at one sale. As far as I'm aware, most didn't sell. A cap clean Range Rover with a bottom book value of circa £19k only got one bid and sold provisionally for £15k. Theres a mad rush to get out of these things and dealers aren't buying them or taking them in part exchange.
@Barbarapape5 ай бұрын
All good things come to an end, having owned three Jaguars 2 XJ's and a XK8 back then whilst they had niggles, they were reliable cars worth owning, fast forward to today and the over reliance on electronics has resulted in cars that only need a radio scanner to steal. Now because JLR don't care about customers we have the current fiasco and cars that are worthless and you can't insure, what a sad end for these vehicles.@@matthewgodwin3050
@ciupak79325 ай бұрын
Prevent theft might be difficult. ..knowing the location of it - instant....but police can't be bothered.
@1d2a3d4d5i6o5 ай бұрын
In my opinion we have finally reached the YES,YES,YES,YES brigade, I was in the Fire Brigade and slowly, only the YES people got jobs, Can we save money YES can we reduce manning YES , can we reduce Stations YES, will it affect peoples lives NOT INTERESTED. It seems this is taking over all the industries in the UK no one is prepared to say NO, they are too frightened about their jobs, so we get into a situation like Land Rover that someone must know what is going on but too frightened to become a NO person. This does not just happen in the motor industry. As in the Manchester Arena Fire where the Fire Brigade DID NOT TURN OUT to the bombing even though the Fire crews had their engines running and waiting to attend, I think they did two hours after the bomb, and nobody was blamed because the reason they could not attend was the 'YES' men had worked out a system to save money, not the firefighters on the ground who were desperate to attend.
@Lookup2Wakeup5 ай бұрын
no, no no yes ....😂
@user-eg7uw9ls4o5 ай бұрын
👍
@keithavian81295 ай бұрын
Save a penny, spend a pound
@burnzy32105 ай бұрын
5:13 £38,000 to insure a car is beyond insane
@Lookup2Wakeup5 ай бұрын
It's a way of saying no thanks. That's 25% of the total value. At that rate & with depreciation, you might as well become your own insurer.
@15bit625 ай бұрын
@@Lookup2Wakeup Yeah, that's what one of my friends would call "a PFO quote".
@burnzy32105 ай бұрын
@@Lookup2Wakeup oh for sure but you typically get that kind of quote if you're young lad trying to get insured on a sports car, not your average range rover driver haha
@williamrae99545 ай бұрын
3 weeks at Euro'24 for a hotel,if you're Scottish... I kid you not!
@JosephPalmerT5D55 ай бұрын
Land rover insurance. Is everyone not looking at this the wrong way round? Police are there to deal with this epidemic. It is what the police are founded upon. Questions require to be answered by the various policing authorities, and the Justice Minister. Otherwise we have anarchy.
@Lookup2Wakeup5 ай бұрын
Financial anarchy is here already 😮
@kevincross92065 ай бұрын
The police aren’t there to correct JLR’s failings to make their vehicles secure though. The onus has to be on the manufacturer first and foremost 🤷🏼♂️
@JosephPalmerT5D55 ай бұрын
@@kevincross9206 What a society we have created. The fact that we require space age security to prevent low life depriving us of our property begs uncomfortable questions. Saudi Arabia has no such issues 😂....too far?
@kevincross92065 ай бұрын
@@JosephPalmerT5D5 - well can’t say I disagree with that, but society is a much bigger subject again eh!
@wesleyslattery7995 ай бұрын
I just got a discovery as needed a bigger car for the family … had nothing but hot hatches. Type R, Mk2-3 RS, jcw mini, A45. Was shocked when I went to get the discovery insured, The most I ever paid.. even when I was 17. Keep up the good work and hopefully get the insurance down👍🏼👍🏼
@EdenValleyAdventuresUK5 ай бұрын
Hi Jeff, loving your channel, I would like to see some videos on people on low incomes that are struggling keeping their cars on the road and like me I sold my car and bought a motorbike as I can't afford to run my car any more. I would like your thoughts on this.
@dodgerboe1325 ай бұрын
Bloody good you took the plunge to Ride Free ! Only one plate that can be hidden from those ANPR’S if you know how 👍🏻 but yes cars have a purpose if you have family and live out the concrete jungle !
@Lookup2Wakeup5 ай бұрын
No point showing a video of low income people struggling to keep to keep their cars on the road as there aren't any of them now. Forced off the road already.....😕
@adrianfudge78825 ай бұрын
Hi Geoff love the channel, just read an article about another airport car park fire this time @ Bristol Airport where @least 11 cars have been destroyed only this time they were all parked up by the car park staff in an outside car park ( you know you arrive hand your keys over they park it up for you ) This was at Bristol Airport silver zone car park
@Lookup2Wakeup5 ай бұрын
Sounds like the charcoal zone now .....😂
@asdmcc25 ай бұрын
My Defender 110 2003 is parked on the street, South Manchester. Just renewed last month, up 140%. The actual renewal quote from the RAC was double!
@davidbrown25715 ай бұрын
All insurance companies are doing this ,like mine ,who now won't pay me out on a hit and run ,even when I have it on cctv.
@Lookup2Wakeup5 ай бұрын
South Manchester? Has it been nicked yet ....😅
@asdmcc25 ай бұрын
@@Lookup2Wakeup Lol. It's too rubbish to get nicked!
@M0LHA5 ай бұрын
Lucky you still have it. My neighbours 110 was nicked from his lockup, and he run's a bloody security firm! Battery was removed, after market alarm. It was stolen to order, they knew exactly how to take it (must have been scoping him out for a while I would guess). Insurance wouldn't pay out (I forget the reason now, something to do with the business and his insurance terms) so he's out for tens of thousands.
@dariuspringle26085 ай бұрын
Very informative AGAIN! Just ordered my Christmas Jumper for my Vermont holiday! Thanks Geoff.
@GeoffBuysCars5 ай бұрын
Oh brilliant! I hope it arrives in time, I went for a LARGE although i'd normally go Medium and I really like the jumper.
@petergardner67565 ай бұрын
Richard of Challenge The Road is doing a great service for RangeRover owners and the predicament that we find ourselves facing. I don't know if there is anything I can do but I am with you all the way, I am on my 6th RangeRover and it may be my last.
@olivethrush74505 ай бұрын
Do we really give a stuff? Buy what you can afford and keep within your budget. My car has no residual value so why sell it?
@2pintsofcremedementh5 ай бұрын
My 1992 Discovery isn't very secure either. The key broke in the ignition so I had to smash it off, it's now push button start and the doors don't lock, but the driver's door only opens if you wiggle the handle in a certain way, which seems to do the trick (combined with looking like an axe murderer's car) It's also $400 a year to insure.
@ayrreal36785 ай бұрын
Think major question are not being asked. Who is suddenly stealing all these Range Rovers? Why aren’t the police recovering them? Who is letting this happen? Are Land Rover in on it.? They don’t want to find a solution. Who manufactures the electronics for Land Rover. Maybe there’s a entry code built in and certain people have bought access and it’s really easy to steal them. There’s more going on here.
@williamrae99545 ай бұрын
Got to be heading to Nth Africa or Eastern Europe... still leaving the UK on mass...I customs failure!
@johnnyhock5 ай бұрын
Being stolen using a JBS Bluetooth portable speaker apparently !
@johnpatrick15885 ай бұрын
The guy loves his Porshe Taycan? It depreciates 60% in two years. Ranges Rovers 60% in 5 years. Throwing money away but it strokes the ego I guess.
@Lookup2Wakeup5 ай бұрын
My neighbour bought a brand new Jaaag F series for £80k a few years back. Sold it 2 years later for £40k. He looked at me with a tear in his eye & with a choked voice, said it was worth it. I managed not to laugh ..... 😂
@jessicahitchens69265 ай бұрын
He doesn't sound the brightest. Poor Geoff..
@Tivver5 ай бұрын
He bought it after it took the hit on depreciation
@duncancampbell94905 ай бұрын
He has 25 cars and doesn't need to sell it ! Wealthy people aren't like the rest of us..... My "boss" has an ancient Merc convertible with the private plate and he will never have to sell it - it's his for life, as is my Subaru.
@GeoffBuysCars5 ай бұрын
Watch his videos. His £130k Taycan is 11 months old. £3 paid £66k for it a few weeks ago.
@reevessairgunningreviews55725 ай бұрын
This would work as long as you verify that all the security is fitted to the vehicle, before confirming insurance. They are always the chancers out there.
@duncancampbell94905 ай бұрын
You get a certificate once paid for.... your insurance company will want the details before providing cover.
@hedydd25 ай бұрын
JLR are not customer centric and never have been. They have always been a terrible company for customers to deal with if anything goes wrong, in or out of warranty. They just couldn’t care less about backing their products up in any way at all. Speaking from experience running three Range Rovers, a Discovery and four Defenders over the years. If they played straight they would have had at least eight other new sales over the years which instead went to Toyota, BMW, Mercedes, Isuzu, Ford. Audi and Kia, some bought several units of for my small fleet. If they didn’t actively shaft me, starting with a new Range Rover in 1988 which had faulty brakes from new and whose warranty was voided because the dealer had spent too much time trying to sort it. I was there when he told the dealer point blank that they were not going to cover it, to the absolute embarrassment of the dealer principle who was a good guy, doing his best for a bunch of absolute shits. After that I bought another Range Rover and Discovery and a Jaguar XK8 over the years but again I had disappointing experiences where Land Rover just would not back their cars up, yet expect ‘loyalty’ from their customers. Yet I still love their vehicles and if they really did change to become customer focussed I would buy another one. Call me a mug, because I’m sure that is what JLR think of their customers.
@davidkmatthews5 ай бұрын
A couple of points here. Firstly it could be that the size of the UK market for JLR is insignificant compared to the US and Far East markets. If those markets don't have a notable problem with car theft and/or their police agencies are far better at recovering stolen vehicles, then it's maybe not too surprising that JLR don't seem to be overly bothered about the UK problem. Secondly, if it weren't for the fact that vehicle insurance cover is mandatory for drivers in the UK and therefore General Insurers *must* provide insurance, then most, if not all, simply wouldn't offer it at all for *any* make or model of car. Other than for very high premiums that supercars inevitably fetch, the UK car insurance industry isn't all that lucrative - and high rates of inflation have turned fairly modest profits into losses over the last couple of years.
@Dalbayob695 ай бұрын
I’m surprised trading standards haven’t got involved yet. Must be too big for them to deal with or just simply doesn’t care.
@engste6785 ай бұрын
Do they still exist?
@cwitechnical5 ай бұрын
In some countries, the state insists on basic third party insurance and it provides it... You go to other companies for the extras. Far be it from me to advocate state intervention, but something has to change!
@duncancampbell94905 ай бұрын
In 2002 my car came with a Thatcham approved immobiliser and a tracker.... Subaru were 20 years ahead of JLR ! P.S. was busy at work so I got hit with a 30% increase last month.... next year will be interesting.
@P6UL_K5 ай бұрын
It’s amazing how the knock on effect of people with £100k+ RR are struggling with insurance, I have a RR P38… Nearly 24yrs old now and my insurance premium has jumped from £550 in July to nearly £2000 this month!!! It’s mental! I’m lucky if the ACTUAL key unlocks the car, let alone it being keyless😂 Insurance companies are POUNDING anything with a LR/RR badge regardless of age 😢
@jackholder79795 ай бұрын
As a fan of old Swedish, Japanese and quirky French cars JLR couldn't be further from my taste, but I am shocked at how JLR are treating their high paying customers with such poor quality products and customer service. At this rate they will be the masters of their own downfall failing by not respecting customers like so many 'British' car brands have done before.
@karlreilly21285 ай бұрын
About the police taking an interest... my sister was in her relatively new Disco Sport driving late at night a long way from home, but in a town where our mother lives. She was pulled over and the police said they pulled her because she was going a bit fast (about 25 in a 20 zone!) but also because 'the car was out of area' and so was 'unusual'. Checked all details and sent her on her way. So the police are aware of vehicle thefts and do take action where they can, but as all public services are, they are resource constrained so cannot follow up on everything.
@mattm67205 ай бұрын
For ages JLR took advantage of the situation. Every car stolen is a new car baught as a replacement. So they sell 25% more(arbitrary percentage). They're only doing something due to insirance costs. Its about blooming time.
@TC-V85 ай бұрын
Was in a shop last night (large national food retailer) and over heard 3x staff talking at how they have now been told to just let shoplifters walk out! Seriously this counrty! No wonder scumbags are pinching Rangerovers! How about actually having some serious penalties for scumbags and even maybe making these transponder/receiver/scanner thing illegal again with serious penalties for owning/selling?
@M0LHA5 ай бұрын
That was quite a good interview, and it's never easy trying to do something like that over the phone. I felt this was coming for a while now, it's almost comedic how many Land Rovers are stolen. Tesla had something similar with their Model S series before pin to drive became a thing. They were being stolen to order and shipped off to bum fuck nowhere to be broken up. There was a very serious point where they were essentially going to be uninsurable. I can't believe JLR have been so slow to respond, and their pithy recall is hardly inspiring. You'd have to be nuts to buy a RR at the moment unless it was a working machine on a farm (and locked up at night). As Geoff said, it'd be a crying shame to see JLR, or any of the other British automotive firms fold for something that is so obviously fixable. Fingers crossed they get it sorted and make them a valid business case to insure across the whole of market.
@colinrawlins32865 ай бұрын
I'ts very ironic that Jaguar/Landrover is a subsidiary of "TATA" or should it be 'TA-TA'!
@hendongooner73835 ай бұрын
When I worked at the AA - they warned back then that key-less entry could be hacked. NEVER get a car with key-less entry.
@andrewbradley42615 ай бұрын
I loved the intro - were you biting your lip Geoff while Richard waxed lyrical about his Taycan ? Not a peep - what would McBlaster say ? 🤣
@johnmoncrieff30345 ай бұрын
There are far too many unnecessary electronic gadgets on modern vehicles when there was nothing wrong with the way we had to open & close doors and other items manually. Key-less entry & ignition is what goes wrong not just on JLR vehicles but many others too! The old ignition switch where you turned the key and away you went has proved extremely reliable for decades and is an item that was trusted. Drivers are becoming almost isolated from the actual functionality of the vehicle and no longer gets the feeling of being in control! Plus all these electronics add weight to an already over weight piece of machinery!
@stephenrose7835 ай бұрын
Hello Geoff, I see there has been,yet another car fire at an airport car park. Bristol. This was not covered by the main news networks. The fire service say, it was an accidental ignition.
@camwhitman54255 ай бұрын
I believe what we’re seeing here is an example of how the powers that be are actively working towards making vehicle ownership unaffordable to get us and our cars off the road.
@alihenderson59105 ай бұрын
Hallelujah, someone who gets it.
@mikeclark44165 ай бұрын
Everyone has said the Same thing ,"Why insure something thats going to get nicked " . I just dont blame the insurance companies . Very Upsetting al this
@dodgerboe1325 ай бұрын
Toyota Land Cruiser The Safest Bet all day long…. And It’s Reliable as well as not a Vanity Issue at the puddle in the road !
@Law248099055 ай бұрын
I've got a 2008 yaris just done Essex to Northumberland & back then Essex to central france. Never missed a heart beat.
@nigelk7805 ай бұрын
The Insurers wont give a stuff unless it costs them money. Setting up the specialist insurance with theft protection linked may unfortunately let JLR off the hook. So people with Landrovers that get the specialist insurance need to move all their cars in that direction to put pressure on the rest of the insurance industry profits.
@biggerboat255 ай бұрын
Is this effecting the new and old Defender 2020 onwards? Thinking of swapping my Campervan for either new/old defender or Disco 4 in near future but maybe should wait it out😢
@Richie-vu4we5 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t want a keyless entry. I am opening the door and getting in anyway. These care manufactories are think as a breeze block to come out with such a easy nickable vehicles. Its the same with Auto Lights and cars that light the dash board up when the rear lights are not on
@markbuhler57215 ай бұрын
My 6th Range Rover arrived new in March this year after ordering in Feb the year before. The new model is fantastic, best car yet. I live in London , old insurance ( Direct Line) wouldn’t take on the new car , eventually found an insurer for £2,500. I honestly may have to sell it next march if the insurance is going higher! £10-£20k ? Every morning I check it’s still there! We need a solution and quickly
@esecallum5 ай бұрын
is it show off or be a bully on the road ?you could just use black marker pen on your forehead showing your bank balance or wear a tear shirt with a photocopy of your bank balance
@g0fvt5 ай бұрын
A genuine further concern I have is that other cars share some electronics with JLR cars, my simple observations based on who owned JLR a few years ago and what other car companies they owned and shared technology with. You don't need to be very smart to know for instance that at one time while both companies were owned by Ford, the Volvo SATNAV was the same as used in the Aston Martin. This may predate the recent security problems. It would be good to know....
@paulwalker59215 ай бұрын
Land Rover offer the In Control App which tracks the car and informs you of any attempts to steal the car. I have used this for my last 3 Range Rovers and it’s a great system.
@MrAndrewjane5 ай бұрын
Top bloke really appriciate what your doing buddy hope you see the end goal ❤
@markhill15505 ай бұрын
Hi Geoff, looks like insurance companies maybe following the JLR model for other makes as well as my BMW renewal has just been quoted at 35% increase on last years premium, that coupled with my wifes Evoque insurance doubling has really not helped the cost of living crisis we are all facing...
@IanLewisCymru5 ай бұрын
OFF topic. Today I filled my wonderful 3-litre XF R-sport with enuff diesel to last thru. xmas (and new year if necessary). Are the EVer-Ready battery car owners doing similar and charging up now for the holiday weeks? (asking for a fiend).
@ianchalklen10475 ай бұрын
Hi Geoff. If this problem is resolved with or without the help of JLR (and don’t they need a kick up the backside for poor customer care) then I wonder what vehicles will be targeted next. Thieves will still be there and they will still be wanting to make money….interesting question when you next speak to Richard.
@amandajane82275 ай бұрын
Here in Oz it is the toyota prado that is the car for youngsters to steal to burn.
@ianchalklen10475 ай бұрын
@@amandajane8227 Hi. These are being stolen to order. Either whole cars or parts are being shipped out of the country. In the worst month 90 were stolen in London alone and when new they are £110k-£200+k…that’s a lot of money.
@prjackson78025 ай бұрын
Is it possible to piggyback a ghost & can-phantom to double up the security?
@martinjackson5655 ай бұрын
Not just Range Rovers insurance companies are ripping everyone off they’ve virtually doubled my policy on a diesel ford focus no claims and no accidents
@davidbrown25715 ай бұрын
Same here.they are forcing us off the road by hiking the prices, and spare parts are doubling in price.
@Lookup2Wakeup5 ай бұрын
Ready for your 15 minute city ..... No car required.
@bobboo13195 ай бұрын
@@Lookup2Wakeup safe and effective
@Lookup2Wakeup5 ай бұрын
@@bobboo1319 💉💉💉💉💉👍
@user-mp2kk7qk5g5 ай бұрын
@@davidbrown2571could spare parts doubling in price possibly be linked to insurance costs increasing? Maybe insurance companies have a justification after all…
@davidireland90745 ай бұрын
I had a transit custom stolen in london years ago, i was one of the first. As a northerner who used a local NFU insurance, it was quite a ordeal explaining yes i hae both keys but the van was stolen. Was lucky it was found in a lockup, and all what was stolen was my wifes barbour jacket! They didnt touch my flule dtx 1800 and tools! 😅
@notsohairybiker5 ай бұрын
JLR, as always, financially in the shit. They will wind up as a company, they will cut off the nose to spite the face. Just like Rover and many others.
@dodgerboe1325 ай бұрын
Spot on….. the days are numbered it’s just for share holders to bag the share of the pot .
@dechs543215 ай бұрын
No chance…
@PatGill-tu6oq5 ай бұрын
Any update on the Luton fire? Has the model been confirmed? I wrote to the Chief fire officer for Bedfordshire asking if he stood by his statement from the day of the fire and got a vague reply saying sort of maybe yes as far as we know at this time...........................
@ryanwhitwam86965 ай бұрын
Im pretty sure dependant on individual insurer that any quote online or other the phone is only valid for 14-21 days so to suggest that it is an oversight on the customers part pre ordering 12 months in advance to not check is berserk!
@wildthing66688135 ай бұрын
I think that some people who have an EV expect the insurer to pay for replacement batteries when they are at their end of life but this should only be done for battery damage.
@davidmwood5605 ай бұрын
I own a 2006 Lexus GS300 SE-L with "keyless" entry and drive. Lexus use a very complicated frequency to protect their keyless entry cars which makes them very difficult to steal. As soon as I lock my var, the key (transponder) it placed in a very slim metal box (essentially a "Faraday" box but actually an old mint container) which instantly shields the signal and makes the car almost impossible to steal. My key only comes out when I'm ready to drive again. Personally, I think all keyless entry owners should do the same as I do; even my insurers like it and thus my premiums remain very low. (In the region of £160 a year; but I've had a clean licence for 60 years with no claims - ever). Before all the trolls tell me I'm "lucky" or "unique" or worse. I'm just a careful driver; not slow, I've never been slow. I think it's just a case of shopping around for the best deal and when you find a good insurer; stick with them. The JLR business is awful, and reflects on other drivers. Greed has a lot to do with it of course, but JLR could do more - much more.
@elliotoliver86795 ай бұрын
Isn’t every car keyless entry? I have not used a door lock for 30 years
@stephenparish61085 ай бұрын
Just checked the insurance for a 2019 Land Rover Sport SVR 525Hp here in central Stockholm, Land Rover have an agreement with Folksam, a Swedish national insurer. They will take "only £300" fully comp per month. My insurance company wanted £40000 per year. I.E. they wouldn't touch it with a bargepole. Still wondering if you want to do Ystad-Haparanda in an XC60 ICE -vs- XC60 Recharge....
@jesseredmond98925 ай бұрын
Got a new defender had it a few years and insurance just doubled last month glad there's so much chat around this jlr need to sort something
@davidbrown25715 ай бұрын
My ford focus insurance has gone from £350 to £510 full no claims, on Thursday it was damaged by a hit and run driver ,i have it on cctv but not there reg, my insurance will not pay out after they told me to pay the garage bill and claim it back,now they say they wont pay ?
@martinfinbarscully49245 ай бұрын
It isn't just security systems that a problematic on JLR vehicles, its everything from Ingenium engines to electric handbrakes to air suspension systems. Check out the JD Power surveys for a reality check on why you should avoid these vehicles
@russellsparkes1845 ай бұрын
Simple way to stop keyless entry is to change to button entry and lock only, can be done easily, check the car manual.
@richardwoollaston36505 ай бұрын
Yes, but that doesn’t affect the insurance premiums.
@alibali6725 ай бұрын
@@richardwoollaston3650Alterations which reduce the chance of an insurance claim don't usually effect premiums. Adding parking sensors is one example.
@russellsparkes1845 ай бұрын
If it stops your car being stolen eventually the insurance will reduce
@blxtothis5 ай бұрын
Don’t tell anybody but I’m immediately going out there to buy up all pre-2010 Range Rovers to sit on until they are each worth more than 2 month old current versions! Looking at how that’s going I won’t have to wait very long!
@LoremIpsum19705 ай бұрын
Don't like the weather, the short days? Emigrate! 🤣
@abc339444 ай бұрын
Do like the weather and short days immigrate!
@BionicRusty5 ай бұрын
They - Do - Not - Care. JLR are so greedy, that whilst someone is trying to help stop them disappear off the face of the earth, they are literally sticking their heads in the sand. I only wish someone was as active when the 2.7 D Jaguar engines were eating themselves during DPF-Gate. I had to scrap one just out of warranty and they wanted the value of the car for a new engine and turbos. Their final response? ‘Go ahead, pal. Sue us.’
@999hireactionvehicles95 ай бұрын
Problem is i understand insurance companies and the risk welcome to talk more The original problem is the theft . Need stop them moving them abroad and being broken up . Think you underestimate how much they are paying out in claims. Probably millions and unless you can bank roll a loss . This is no different to the nineties. Cosworth and Xr market was devastated by insurance and the cars were worthless. Look at the prices now
@davidkmatthews5 ай бұрын
It would be interesting to know just how badly affected these cars are in terms of depreciation because of the insurance situation. Presumably very badly indeed. That, in turn, leads me to wonder whether monthly payments for these cars when acquired on PCP schemes have skyrocketed because, in essence, such deals mean that the driver is paying for the car's depreciation. The greater the depreciation, the greater the monthly payment - which, of course, would have PCP companies rubbing their hands in glee, albeit assuming they are still managing to attract at least a viable customer base to Land Rover PCP deals.
@catherinewhite88195 ай бұрын
By law cars must be insured and if it is impossible to do so it is breaching Trading Standards. The root of the problem here is that the manufacturer is neglectful in their duty to the customer, selling them a car that is unfit for purpose as it can’t be driven. It is up to them to ensure that the vehicle is sufficiently secure, it’s not impossible. Equally finance companies shouldn’t be giving loans to people to buy these cars when they know there is a good chance it will be stolen. Everyone should make a full claim against the manufacturer or the dealership, taking the unfit for purpose stance under the Sale of Goods Act. While the pressure is on the insurance companies, it takes the heat off the manufacturer.
@johnlloyd80405 ай бұрын
Insurance on my wife's 2017 Range Rover Velar bought new was due for renewal on 1//12/2023. Last year Bank of Scotland premium was £261. A year later, no claims, no convictions, we live in rural West Oxfordshire, car parked in the driveway, annual mileage approx 6000pa, and are both retired .... renewal quote was £1820! .... almost a sevenfold increase. Eventually got a quote for £403 .... still a huge increase but that was the best I could find. No recall regarding keyless entry either so have assumed JLR not bothered! This is our sixth Range Rover and will probably be our last.
@egg399.5 ай бұрын
Who did you insure with?
@johnlloyd80405 ай бұрын
@@egg399. an outfit called "One Call Insurance"
@egg399.5 ай бұрын
@@johnlloyd8040 Thanks, never heard of them but will look them up next time. 🙏
@FrostyAston5 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t recommend Ghost as a solution. There are other immobiliser solutions just as flexible that technically are far superior. As an engineer who has had Ghost fitted on previous cars they aren’t too difficult to overcome. I won’t mention how on here as it will exacerbate the situation but let’s just say there are far better technical solutions as the more cars fitted with Ghost the bigger the Ghost issue will become.
@FoookOff5 ай бұрын
Keys in a faraday cage 600v capacitor on the OEBD socket. Problem solved 😜
@stevezodiac4915 ай бұрын
If he is so worried about land rover insurance and the massive loss of money doing so, why did he buy a Taycan losing money hand over fist, with depreciation and prices tanking. Just because he bought it cheaper, doesn't mean the vast depreciation rate stops, just because he bought it ?
@strawman30595 ай бұрын
I work for a certain British sports car manufacturer based in Norfolk... It appears to be imploding within 🤔🚗🔥
@GeoffBuysCars5 ай бұрын
Email me
@strawman30595 ай бұрын
I didn't see your reply and updates are turned on! 🤔 What's your email
@DaleSteel5 ай бұрын
Richard just needs to stop buying a JLR and have a stress free life.
@nicko67105 ай бұрын
Geoff move to Australia, UK weather is depressing.
@eliotmansfield5 ай бұрын
and travel everywhere at 80km……
@Hasdac5 ай бұрын
WHAT? And get mandated injectables? No thanks...
@cornishhh5 ай бұрын
In 1994 (IIRC) it rained 30 days out of 31 in Sydney in January.
@peter_peter_pumpkin_eater5 ай бұрын
It's winter!
@Lookup2Wakeup5 ай бұрын
To many 💉💉💉💉💉
@johnmoncrieff30345 ай бұрын
JLR should build into every vehicle they make a GPS tracker that is linked directly to the police computer system that is activated by any movement other than when the correct key is in the ignition! Or by the owners thumb print! All the tech is out there on the market so it would be cheap and easy to do!
@keithavian81295 ай бұрын
They did start to, but Under uk gdpr guidance the information couldn't be passed to relevant authorities
@stephenmarsh52965 ай бұрын
Hi Geoff loving your vlogs. Are you going to give any comment on the fire in the carpark at Bristol airport
@GeoffBuysCars5 ай бұрын
Yes!
@Lookup2Wakeup5 ай бұрын
I'm sure he will. He's just stroking it up ....😂 Woops Edit. I mean stoking.....😮
@jameschambers69755 ай бұрын
As with every suspicious event, it is important to first collect all the available data, and then ask yourself the question: Cui bono from this predicament both financially or otherwise?
@brandonfromlondonuk34845 ай бұрын
JLR , THE INSURANCE COMPANYS AND THE THEIVES ARE ALL WORKING TOGETHER YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST
@abc339444 ай бұрын
The insurance companies are the thieves ,,, you heard it here second
@Bigdave19635 ай бұрын
Hi all,I’m a 60 year old gentleman with full no claims and I bought a new 22 plate Ford Kuga hybrid,the insurance was £281 the first year with Hastings who I’ve been with for many a years the second year Hastings would not even give me a quote or a reason why,I also live in a crime free area so not only Range Rover it’s all electric cars and insurance companies pushing the price up
@Lookup2Wakeup5 ай бұрын
I'm a 66 year old t*sser in the comments. Nice to meet you....😂
@richardwoollaston36505 ай бұрын
It’s a hybrid so it has a battery. Whoosh!
@koolerking4405 ай бұрын
Just spotted on linkedin, JLR advertising for a "Cyber Security Compliance Engineer".
@blackpanther0255 ай бұрын
Start your own insurance company! Beat them at their own game! 1) A small business makes money and 2) Range Rover drivers are happy with low premiums 3? Maybe do a deal directly with JLR for backing as at this rate there products will be obsolete in 5 years!
@bentullett60685 ай бұрын
I can't understand why the police who are meant to catch criminals, don't set up some bait cars like they do in America where they place a desirable to thieves vehicle which are rigged up to stop and lock the thieves inside and then undercover police trailing them quickly arrest them. They know the cars that are desirable and they know the area's where they are mostly stolen from. They won't do it though as it isn't as important as arresting someone for hurty feelings words or as important as attending the protest or event regarding the current virtue signalling topic.
@S0_Rhyn5 ай бұрын
Because this is not about car theft. Time will tell
@alihenderson59105 ай бұрын
If you think the police work for you, I don't know what to tell you.
@bentullett60685 ай бұрын
@alihenderson5910 I know they aren't working for us but. This idea is a common sense approach which non of our politicians and local authorities seem to have.