The biggest problem I have with most of these young characters is that they all have the same personality, they're all snarky, quirky and arrogant. Disney writes every teenager the same way, so there's no room for nuance and therefore I have no interest whatsoever in a team with them.

I think we are underestimating how willing Marvel is to let some of these characters just continue on as loose ends

Here is my one issue. Unlike comics the MCU is dealing with real kids who really age. By the time they start a champion show/movie most of the established kids you mentioned will age out of that group.

"America punched the Scarlet Witch so hard she learned her lesson" 😂😂

Young Avengers vs Pet Avengers in phase 7, obviously.

It’s honestly astounding that Marvel introduced a ton of Young Avengers without planning a Young Avengers property.

"Kid Loki is also part Frost Giant..." Why does everyone forget that LOKI IS FULL JOTUNN?! Loki was born a Frost Giant RUNT glamoured by Odin to look Asgardian/Aesir when he rescued him from his abandonment. When Loki got grabbed by a Jotunn in Thor 1 when he goaded Thor into infiltrating Jotenheim, the glamour was interrupted and he turned BLUE. When he freezes Heimdall with the Casket of Ancient Winters after he learns his heritage, he turns BLUE. One of the biggest letdowns of the Loki show was that not _one_ of the variants was in his native skin. I would have _much_ preferred following an abandoned Jotun runt that was secretly raised in obscurity on his home planet and still became a mischievous mage and marauder than freaking Sylvie. Would have been such a cool contrast to see someone who grew up ignorant to hating his heritage and shunned by his adoptive society for his sensibilities against a BLUE version of himself who only knows of his heritage and how his native society shunned him for his disability/deformity, and how BOTH their experiences pushed them towards magic and cunning to survive and thrive. What a MISSED opportunity.

for some reason I feel like they managed to convince a bunch of young actors to sign contracts they won't be able to get out of

My only problem with most of this is, these kids won't stay kids forever. If Marvel wants any chance at making even TWO movies about "Young" Avengers, they needed to start filming yesterday.

Realistically, Nando probably giving it more thought than Marvel will.

The problem with every single one of them is that they have no flaws, everything they do is written with perfection because teenagers seems to know more than adults and can out fight them too. If these kids are the face of the future the future is DoA.

I’d never thought of this before, but man the blip worked out surprisingly well to avoid needing to reference COVID

Hailee Steinfeld is already Scarjo's age from Iron man 2. She herself looks like a grown up ready to be on a main team

I once saw a comment saying that some of the new younger female characters will meet each other and their interactions will consist of outnerding and out-quipping each other with quirky tech genius teenager humour (looking at you, Cassie)

Scott and Hope aren't married but they are an established couple and have been so since the blip, which was a couple of years prior to the events of Quantumania at this point. Cassie has clearly spent a lot of time learning from Hank, he even made her a suit, so they are close. Given her father's relationship to Hank's daughter, even if they aren't married she could see Hope as a stepmother and by proxy Hank and Janet as Step-Grandparents, and she refers to them as such. It really isn't that weird.

I feel like by the time we get a Young Avengers project most of the actors and actresses will be in their 20s to 30’s they might call it “Champions”. They could adapt them perfectly by using the “The Children Crusade” storyline with Wanda

I love when Nando gets casually snarky about bad writing decisions

Now that Jeremy Renner is essentially retiring Hawkeye from Marvel, I could see Yelena Belova Training Kate Biship a bit.

Thank you for remembering the Champions exist and not just putting all of the kids in the Young Avengers like everyone else 🙏

The line about thor getting dumber with the shot of his 'disguise' from Ragnarok was a great combo

The huge problem here is age. We really do not see a place for a young avengers project before kang dynasty and secret wars. And you can BET that they are not going to leave out the most popular phase 4 and 5 characters from that crossover. And then we have the spiderman problem, you can't exactly demote these heroes, and they may even be 3 or so years older by then and have aged out of the hypothetical young avengers

A team where almost every member is sarcastic, snarky and has a super intelect, I'm sure they would get along well.

Wait, wasn't Kid Loki's deal that he killed his Thor? Am I imagining that?

Young avengers in the short term; and if they're playing the long game, they can deal with actors aging out of action roles by having their proteges take up the name.

11:46 i don’t think Wanda’s “twins” are meant to be identical, they are probably “fraternal twins” in the MCU, as established on WandaVision and MoM since they are played by different actors. Maybe instead Billy recognizes him on the screen rather than someone pointing out their likeness. Which could even work if they have amnesia. Something within Billy tells him he knows this person etc. etc.

im a massive fan of the young avengers comics, especially vol. 2 and when they started popping up in the movies i got so excited, i hope we get a show for them and not a movie so they can capture the real silly charm about them. also the young avengers are NOTHING without wiccan & hulkling as the main ship and it would be a real shame if we don't get them onscreen.

9:53 If you payed attention to Multiverse of Madness, our Wanda was the only one without her kids. That's why every time she dreamed, she'd see them

As a thought experiment I’ve been digging Love as a crazy unpredictable powerful little alien kid character in the group. I think it will also work well if eventually antman is the only surviving senior avenger left and he serves as a somewhat of a mentor and moral compass for the Young Avengers.

I really love the Iron Lad story and it's a shame that we don't seem to be getting it so far. It's an amazing story about the unbreaking cycle of fate and how sometimes to protect the ones you love, you have to give up your future to keep them safe. It's a touching story that has so much nuance.

36:53 While I understand your line of thought, the fact Kevin Feige said they want to decrease the amount of TV Shows they make, and half of the characters here being either underdeveloped or non-existent, I think it's better to only have one group with the best of them. So I would give up on the "Champions"(such an uninspired name to begin with) and only have the Young Avengers, with Hawkeye, Stature, Ms. Marvel, Ironheart, Ms. America and Kid Loki.

17:45 “You cannot start a team in the MCU without at least one suit guy showing up.” Warriors Three, Howling Commandos, Agents of Shield, Guardians of the Galaxy, Masters of the Mystic Arts, Inhuman Royal Family, Cloak & Dagger, Runaways, Defenders, Illuminati(which by extension also include X-Men and Fantastic Four): “Ahem…”

Everyone is a genius now in the MCU

"punched Scarlet Witch so hard she learned her lesson" That's gotta be the funniest thing I've heard in a while, I almost choked laughing at that. Also, the Loki age thing, I think it's like Wanda's kids. Asgardians probably grow older when they feel like they should, and not really based on their age, though I don't know if the MCU will let them age backwards too.

Love the moon girl love! Her show is amazing and also feels very mcu adjacent so I could see them using that version in the 616 universe or just a multiverse version who comes in through secret wars and their version of the beyonder. Also I need agents of atlas with wave, sword master crescent and eo, and the avengers academy !

Even at its best the MCU would skip over large sections of story, which makes me worried this isnt getting off the ground. Ultimately I would suggest combining Young Avengers with Champions, but I think Avengers Academy could also work during Secret Wars, the Battle Royale ripoff

Feels like you're sleeping on a potential Nadia van Dyne Wasp, with Hank Pym having a life outside of Janet and the former Black Widow candidates being established but that would be kinda redundant with Cassie Lang and par for the course in the MCU, unfortunately. Also, I would have solid puts on Love showing up in at least one Avengers team up, as she has some fragment of Eternity stuff going for her, and the idea of Doom or a Kang variant getting steamrolled by a little girl will never not be funny.

This sounds entirely more well thought out and cohesive than we can expect from the MCU.

I think you missed two that are very Stark centric...firstly, Harley Keener. Giving him a Tony supported role in Stark Industries post graduation of high school/college would provide a great backstory for him finding his way to potentially take over the mantle of Ironman/Ironlad. Secondly, Tony & Pepper's daughter Morgan Stark. This character has SO much potential for becoming the heir apparent to Ironman & SI. The inner conflicts and dealing with growing in the legacy of Tony & Pepper is either the backstory of hero OR could she go super VILLAIN?

Morgan le Fay has already been introduced in Runaways, so it would be great to bring Elizabeth Hurley back as a villain for the Champions.

Couple notes: I believe Kid Loki did leave the Void in Loki Season 1, IIRC we see him enter the portal Mobius makes and leaves through, so he's likely in the TVA somewhere. Also, we have actually met Morgan Le Fay in the MCU, she's the villain of Runaways Season 3 played by Elizabeth Hurley. Besides that though, I'd be curious to know your thoughts on Axl from Love and Thunder (Heimdall's kid), the older Morgan Stark we were going to get in Endgame played by Katherine Langford, and potential appearances from Franklin and Valeria Richards, Blade's daughter, Iceman, and Firestar and which team in the video you think they could show up in, as well as Harley from Iron Man 3.

"The Socerer Supreme and his sidekick Steven Strange." Thank you nando

I actually think we’re kind of over complicating the whole Young Avengers/Champions storyline. I think Kang/Iron Lad will be at the center of their formation to tie the team into Kang Dynasty/Secret Wars and I think the roster will stay pretty traditionally comics accurate as well. It doesn’t really matter if the characters get older either because they will just be the “younger” Avengers either way. Additionally, even if a younger character isn’t on the main roster, they can be part of an expanded network of younger heroes (think OG 6 vs Expanded Avengers roster). And finally, characters like Spider Man and Kamala Khan are strong enough (popular) and have enough ties to their older mentors, that they can be on any team including the main Avengers

30:36 With Sam Alexander's Nova there's a pretty easy way they can handle his powers. In the comics the helmet that gives him powers was his father's, who was part of an elite special team of the Nova corps. With that the MCU could easily rework it to where those elite Novas were the ones who had the more traditional comic style Nova powers, and we just didn't see any of them in the first Guardians film.

If we are gonna have two teams, I think it would be great to have Speed and Wiccan on separate teams, played by the same actor and they don't meet each other until after both teams are fully established.

New drinking game: Take a shot every time Nando says “Loki”

I personally don't think they are planning on making a young avengers team, i think they are introducing young characters now so that by the time we get to their stories, they will be old enough to just become regular avengers

I think we could get one team with America doing a muiltversal travelling tv show. Every episode takes place in its own universe with them trying to track down something or someone. Then the other team would be a movie that would focus on earth and maybe it’s about them trying to hold the line of defence once the avengers fall

I don’t think there will be a specific team of “young Avengers” considering there doesn’t seem to be an actual Avengers team anymore in the MCU, this I reckon is why the Thunderbolts as a sort of black ops group will be formed to fill that void What I imagine will happen is when the Kang Dynasty kicks off we see a bunch of characters respond to an emergency on the west coast and these will mostly be the characters you’ve highlighted, they either live there or move there since we last saw them or are just on holiday and suit up when the time comes. There aren’t actually many phase 1 or 2 characters left that could reasonably form an Avengers team so by the time we’re done with the multiverse saga these heroes from phases 3 and mostly 4 will be the de facto Avengers, especially by the time we finish secret wars there won’t be many if any survivors left from the original phases by that point I bet

Im just concerned for the young avengers..’that they will be soo smart and powerful they wouldn’t struggle or learn anything. Perhaps the comics are different but we know the movies will switch things up…

I lol'd at White Tiger "She used to be in the meta, now she's not". This guy Snaps! But yeah, I remember when Wong, WT, Odin was one of the strongest things you could do in game. Also, awesome video! Looking forward to the Young Avengers. Though I do think they could use Peter Parker in the team (and obviously being the leader, considering he's the only de facto Avenger).

I heard there's no plans yet for Young Avengers so let's just use them as sidekicks for now to establish them more. Then maybe during Secret Wars or after give them a subplot to work them up to Avengers level.

I think people are expecting the young Avengers much sooner than they'll come. We essentially just got everybody's origin story (which isn't dissimilar to what happened with the original Avengers) But these characters are all younger and come with hurdles of age. Tony Stark was already a millionaire with tons of crazy tech and Steven Rogers was trained by the government. Most of these young Avengers are completely alone with no guidance. I think it would be more likely to expect the X-Men to play a part in guiding them

re: Cassie calling the Pyms her grandparents, not to be personal on main but my parents refer to the children of my sister's partner from his previous relationship as their grandchildren even though they're not married (yet) so I can see the Pyms feeling close enough to the Langs to be that familiar with them but more relevantly to the topic at hand I don't really see them having *two* young superteams in the MCU, it's gonna be just the one with various characters pulled from both YA and Champions most likely cause I think the general audience normies would confuse them

Riri is 19 in Wakanda Forever. They say it, lol

I can imagine the entire team meeting and take turns saying quirky one liners

Listening to this after seeing all those D+ shows... I'm already tired of the teamups even before they happen, AND if you tie them to a gimmick of their age they will grow out of that gimmick by their second movie. "Hey, let's do a high school teamup! By the next movie they will be... out of high school since that's how linear time works, heck!", "Okay, collage age teamup! Whops, same thing!". So yeah, not very optimistic about how this will go...

30:45 Well... I mean, the only member of the Nova Corps we regularly see in the MCU is John C. Reilly.... and he NEVER wears his helmet, is never even seen holding one as far as I remember. So the helmet = superpowers thing could still work out... Though if it were going to, it would be nice for it to already have been set up. lol

This highlights my biggest problem with phase 4, the lack of interconnection. They have too many characters, and they only use like 1 or 2 existing characters briefly in the introduction of too many new characters. I don't mean the main new characters, I mean like all the new shows / movies also have a bunch of new secondary characters. Imagine if, for example, all of the new shows had Wong in them at some point. If Sam and Bucky showed up in a couple of the other shows. And, importantly, if some version of Kang was the bad guy in many of them. The thing that makes the MCU compelling as a whole is the connections, and it seems like they're making less of them when they could be making more. And introducing so many new characters when they could be deepening existing ones.

I've been rewatching Young Justice and that show is a chef's kiss as far as how to do young protege team up.

I think they’re gonna fold Skarr and Hulkling together, wouldn’t be too hard, could make things more interesting for all involved

Squirrel Girl is actually in college in her solo series. Not a big deal cause I don’t think she’d fit on either team or even show up anytime soon. I think they’ll sit on some of these or they’ll just be supporting characters in movies/series, even if they do young avengers.

Ironlad would be the perfect new face of the mcu, he's a combination of both the previous face and the current biggest talking point of the mcu

I'm so glad marvel snap is getting so much attention. At this point my hype for a potential character goes like this: Please not patriot, I hate him and his ongoing ultron ability

I think it's too early in Peter's Spider-Man story to introduce Miles, Maybe at the end of the second trilogy he can come in

As a massive fan of the young avengers comics, I just want it to be as true to that as possible. I think Kate is the best leader YA ever had so they better do that in the MCU. If they bring Billy in and not Teddy I’ll never forgive them Also I would love to see Noh-Varr but it doesn’t seem likely to me

I personally am curious about how they will progress and assemble themselves. I know they are teenagers and have some annoying qualities, but the writers can use what they have with Spider-Man because we can agree he is the most beloved young hero in Marvel, if he possible becomes a mentor to some of these characters, they too can become increasingly beloved

They could a Civil War-esque story where they fight each other after a while

it could actually be really touching and interesting if they made a movie about Tommy and Billy finding each other and going to find and rescue their mom because maybe Mephisto put a curse on her... or they go looking for the variant of their mom in the multiverse who isn't a monster and they can save and be with...

You know we’re in the deep cuts when not even Nando can make a majority of these characters seem appealing… might be time to officially cash in the MCU chips in. I’m sure this is an exciting time for people that know their stuff but for more casual fans this is rough. As always though Nando killing it! I could watch these longer videos for days!

I love how you didn't specify they weren't about to just beat up a regular rabbit :D

I'm glad you called out Cassie calling Hank "grandad" I thought I was just crazy or missing something everyone else knows.

I think they overdid the legacies characters by She-Hulk. I’m not really in the mood for legacy characters when I want to just enjoy the current heroes atm. What makes this worse is that several heroes’ trilogy ends are coming just not a few years after Endgame. I’m hoping they will just be partners for at least the next few years. I don’t know anything about Young Avengers, but I don’t think they’re ready for it yet.

In Ant Man, Cassie was turning 8 not 6, so she would be 18 in Quantumania.

...a great breakdown. Really looking forward to see how some of this plays out...I see what you did there in the thumbnail, Nando.

All the characeters now blend together. In OG avengers, each one of them had different personality and even spoke differently, and had different powers. Thats why their interactions were gold. But now they are all the same so if we put Ironheart, Cassie,kid Loki and i dont know who else young there is, into one scene, there is nothing exciting about it. They will just all be snarky with one another and insult each other over who is the biggest and most badass

The thing I take away from this video is how on earth every character in comics are “the smartest person on earth” or some form of it, I swear its overwhelming 💀😂

Kate Bishop is older than Spider-Man, she’s definitely not going to the young avengers… she’s gonna replace the og Hawkeye on the earth based avengers team and be the comedic relief. Everyone younger than America Chavez will be on the young avengers, the young avengers will be led by that young Kang variant to tie it together with the rest of the mcu. As for Ironheart she could go either way but Kate Bishop to me just looks way to old to be on the “young avengers” she’s older than Scarlett Johansson when she started as Black Widow.

I’m not a huge stickler for comic accuracy but there is some great relationships in the comics I feel like they need to bring into the MCU, to name a few: Nova (Sam) and Spider Man (Miles) should be friends maybe even before they join whatever team they’re on, they’re characters are very similar and their friendship in the comics is one of the great parts about both they’re characters, so if they can’t get the rights to bring in Miles yet then they should wait until they can to bring in Sam Hulking and Wiccan need to be on the same team, they’re like top 5 marvel couples and it would be a crime to not get them in the MCU if they have either character Iron heart and Viv, doesn’t really matter for Iron Hearts character but they’re relationship is a huge part of Viv’s backstory and one that I don’t think the MCU should take out, I’m less passionate about this one because they could probably replace Riri with a few other characters who Viv could fall in love with, but they’re friendship in the comics is pretty sweet and I think it would be cool and not to much to put them on the same team

Your video is amazing, having this level of hopes up even if things with Marvel have crumbled melts my heart, all this characters and stories deserve to be great and I hope that things could be better.

coming back to this and hearing you go "goose the flerken" in the list of characters who never came back post-the marvels trailer, amazing

I think the MCU is getting way too unwieldy with far too many characters to put into movies. They kinda just need to pivot to the X-Men, Fantastic Four, and others, while perhaps leaving the legacies for TV shows, but in a more manageable way.

They are going to wait around and the actors will be late 20's playing teenagers....like normal

I already watched this on Nebula but I wanted to come here to engage with you because I enjoy your work.

Amadeus Cho appeared in the animated series Ultimate Spider-Man, without becoming a Hulk. Instead, they gave him the Iron Spider suit. They could alwaus do something similar in the MCU.

I think they should just use the comics lineup for the Young Avengers and Champions in the MCU. Also Spider-Man, Love and Skaar should stay as far away from theses teams as possible.

I think half of these people will just go to the next main avengers team cuz realistically whose gonna be on the next avengers team? Bucky is in the thunderbolts. Sam, Shang- chi, strange, and wong are like the only actual standing avengers Everyone else is settling down Rhodey is leaving Clint is probably leaving Thor is likely leaving too Spider-Man is probably staying solo aside from crossover movies Clearly any hero’s older than 20 are being teased for the new avengers team formed after the Kang dynasty. I think marvel is essentially becoming more for teens all together based on their humor so the main avengers team will be led by 20 and 30 year olds instead of 40 year olds like the original lineup.

about Kamala's power the way I understood it going by what Iman says, her mutation allows her to control and reshape light in theory any half noor exposed to something from their dimension would gain hard light powers, be it the bangle or the veil But like we saw with Kamran, they have zero control over how noor materializes or what shape it takes Kamala's mutation basically means she has complete control over how the noor manifests and mostly uses it for embigening to fit her on your face, zero combat experience kind of fighting style

I have a sneaking suspicion we will only see Tommy when the X-men come to the MCU, because he is perfectly fit to be a member of the Brotherhood of Mutants, with Magneto being the leader and his uncle not being able to be a member like he was in the comics, and his boyfriend being an X-men.

If they announce this at next year’s comic con as a Disney+ series (since Marvel Studios didn’t have a big panel this year because of the strikes and the Jonathan Majors trial), I want it to consist of 18 episodes for the first season with it releasing November 2025. I think it’ll take place in the next year of the MCU after the current present year which is 2026: May 2027. So it’ll take place two and a half years after Hawkeye and nine to ten months after Quantumania since it’s takes place in 2026 instead of 2025 (that’s was a mistake Marvel had to fix for the MCU timeline cause we all thought it takes place in 2025, it doesn’t). It will also take place three and a half years after WandaVision and maybe sometime or almost a fairly long time after Darkhold Diaries, two to three years after The Falcon and The Winter Soldier and several months after Brave New World, it’ll probably be after the first and second seasons of Loki but I don’t think it’s canon or part of the prime MCU since it takes place outside of time. Kid Loki might leave the Void to travel to the prime MCU timeline to join the Young Avengers. It will also take place two and a half years after Multiverse of Madness, one to two years after Wakanda Forever, Ms. Marvel (five to six months after The Marvels) and She-Hulk: Attorney At Law, one to two years to almost three years (two and a half years) after Love and Thunder, and a couple or few or almost several months after Ironheart. Although it didn’t come out on Disney+ or is planning to be a movie yet, the Young Avengers Disney+ series or film will take place after all these projects that we’ve already gotten. P.S: I want Spider-Man to be part of the team too so this means the show will also take place two and a half years after No Way Home and seven to eight months after the fourth movie in the new trilogy (we’re all still unaware of the title). P.P.S: Since the entire MCU doesn’t know who Peter Parker is now, this is a great opportunity for him to gain new friendships and a new relationship to the Young Avengers, since we’re already going to see him make new friendships/relationships and move on in his new life in his new trilogy. Thanks to No Way Home’s final spell, Spidey’s days with the Avengers never happened. So now that those days are over, his days with the Young Avengers are about to begin. It’s time for Spider-Man to go from an Avenger to a Young Avenger. Sony might allow Disney to include him in the series. Probably make a deal with each other. I think Sony should allow Disney and Marvel Studios to include Spider-Man in at least some or several MCU Disney+ shows. Other characters like Hulkling, Prodigy, Marvel-Boy, Vision (Jonas), and Axl and Love from Love and Thunder; including T’Challa’s son from Wakanda Forever will possibly also be in the series. P.P.P.S: Kate and Cassie will become best friends in the show like in the comics. They meet each other in the 2005 Young Avengers comic series and instantly become besties. They can tell each other anything so it’s like they’re sisters to each others (sister figures to make it more reasonable). And their outfits that they wear in the MCU match, which means they’ll have a lot in common when they first interact with each other. So the strong friendship between them two will be very touching in this series or movie. And since Cassie’s actress Kathryn Newton first auditioned for the role of Kate while screening alongside Jeremy Renner (Hawkeye himself) instead of Hailee Steinfeld as we saw in the recent Marvel Studios: Assembled episode; The Making of Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania, Fans literally can’t wait to see these two Young Avenger females interact with each other in a future MCU project (either a movie or Disney+ series). I know the MCU doesn’t follow the comics that much, but we can expect this show or movie to follow some elements from the Young Avengers comics.

Honestly i love all the young actors. And i would definitely love a show with just them.

I love the context you have for creating separate Young Avengers and Champions teams but I will not take this Nova erasure! There is a confirmed Nova project in the works and honestly I love the slight tie in to Marvel Cosmic since the MCU only brings it up when someone is directly in space.

37:41 "enroled in the avengers academy" don't you dare bring up that name to me the wound is still not healed

While there is definitely an age gap between members of the Young Avengers and Champions and there's quite a few comic team members in the MCU, I don't see the point in splitting the MCU take on the young hero team into two different groups. Even if they function differently in the comics there's no reason the MCU can't combine the concepts like they've done many times before

You know what Skarr showing up means? We're getting an adaptation of Agents of Smash!

Wait, so Marvel just happened to have introduced individual Young Avengers members in the movies and shows, and they're weren't even planning a Young Avengers project? What happy coincidence for them, now they can work off of them.

I just love this whole series that you’re doing❤❤❤😂😂😂

We actually saw a teaser for Iron Lad in Iron Man 3, but I don't know if Marvel will recall Ty Simpkins or cast a new one

Not sure but I'm personally not excited for any of these characters and I don't think general audiences care at all. The only characters most people like from the MCU currently are all adults. Namely, Wanda, Loki, Spiderman, Shang Chi. MCU needs to quickly finish off all they're starting now and do a proper start up for the fantastic four and the X Men.

My pick for the Young Avengers: Kate Bishop, Wiccan, Speed, Kid Loki, Satcher, Patriot, Hulkling, and Iron Lad My pick for the Champions: Ms. Marvel, America Chavez, Iron Heart, Amadeus Cho, Nova, Squirrel Girl, and Viv

It appears there will be multiple avengers teams in preparation for Secret Wars & Kang Dynasty as they’ll all have different tasks and responsibilities to beat the Kang’s