"Looking good, Navigator!" "Every moment is and will be agony!" "Alright, buddy,. Keep up the good work."

Heighliners are incredibly beautiful in the new film, such a great design. It also reminded me a lot of the ships from Arrival, which is another Villeneuve's film I love.

I'd say the Navigator of 1984 movie looks the way he does, due to the special effects of the day. They worked with what they had, but its still an impressive scene. Imagine being on the set and seeing that huge tank rolling out!

Dave Lynch's entrance of the Guild Navigator's was visually stunning, no CGI. "We were never here".. more power than the Emperor

I just realized more time has passed since the 2000 Sci-Fi series to Dune 2021 than had passed between Dune 1984 and the Sci-Fi series.

WH40k has borrowed so heavily from Dune lore I can’t help but compare the Age of Technology to the Butlerian Jihad

Reading it as a 12 year old in the 70's, my first imagining of the navigator in Dune Messiah looked a bit like a big, but realistic looking anthropomorphic Sea Monkey as they were drawn in the old comic ads. This was helped due to the navigator being treated with derision by the others at the meeting, and emphasised by the comical movements he made when agitated and the vulnerability he felt being inside a planetbound structure, despite it being carefully designed for his comfort. Like a scared little goldfish with googly eyes...both comical and piteous.

I was very high was I first saw Dune and the Guild Navigator, it really was a depiction of another reality which I was completely drawn in by and that scene was mesmerising - it still is even without the weed.

I love these videos. As a new reader to the series, these videos clarify--without spoiling--many minute and broad details in the Dune universe that are a hard to pick up on, at least on a first read through.

Nerd cookies' voice is a wonderful story telling voice.

Yea!! Finally another Dune fan!! Definetly subscribed! Great Dune Info and GREAT WORK.

Awesome vid, love it. Could listen to that voice all day.

A very well done informative video. You made some great points. You are able to find the information that you need from a variety of sources. Again, a great job! Thank you for all the great videos.

Yes the Lynch version of navigators looked a bit (alot!) dodgy, I'd agree. But the voice, ohhh the voice was excellent. Ethereal, menacing, semi-disconnected from the real world. That was a better portrait of the underlying Guild mentality than the mini-series imo. Also I'd be very surprised if a director with such a cinematographers eye as Villneuve could resist trying to tackle the visuals for the navigators and their abilities..?? If not film 1, then likely film 2?

I read dune many years. Thanks for the in-depth insights and perspectives. Great series you have and I will be listening more. I'm really looking forward to Denis Villeneuve's interpretation.

I always though of then as goldfish because i read the Dune series right after Hitchhiker's Guide... excellent work again Nerd Cookies, enjoyed it

You make a pretty good narrator a rare art in its self...... please do more of it

Excellent stuff!!! Loved it. Thanks so much!

I've been watching all of your videos, excellent stuff . Keep on with this great work!!! I imagine I'm your first subscrptor from Argentina, wish you more from all over. Your work deserve it!

You really have me highly anticipating this movie Trilogy!

Your Scifi knowledge is amazing. Thank you for all the awesome videos.

If Siri auto-corrects my text to "ducking" one more time, I'll be ready for the Butlerian Jihad

really love your work . Kudos

The aliens in Arrival are some of the best I've seen, so I have little doubt it will amazing in the upcoming film. Great video, btw!

Like your background music. Total chill.

I always liked the statement that they "had folded space from Ix,". Which was the designation for the ninth planet in that particular system. Therefore, representated by the roman numeral IX,.

I cannot wait to see the film & great video 👍

In my head-canon, Guild Navigators look kinda like orangey-skinned, bright-blue-eyed floaty Abe Sapiens (as portrayed by Doug Jones in the first two Hellboy movies), more or less.

I love your channel so much. You have the best content. We need to grow this channel!

Artwork is great, nice collection

I'm almost surprised you haven't done a video on the underlying social structures of the Dune universe. For example, the faufreluches system and the fact that we have a feudal system so restrictive that it makes medieval Europe look like liberal democracies with free market economies. It goes a long way to explain *why* there are Houses and emperors - and even Fremen.

Great narrative. Thank you.

Finally visuals that are worth it! It's absolutely magnificent, its promises a great film, a unique universe Denis Villeneuve I hope will surprise us for this adaptation of DUNE. 🕶✌

I love this Dune series you are doing. You have a wonderful voice, it is very soothing. Great video, thank you.

Great work!!!

There are a few videos about highlighner specification om KZfaq. Pretty interesting stuff. The ships measure about 12 miles long.

If you think about it, the Bene Gesserit and Spacing Guild have a common origin in Zufa Cenva. She was leader of the Sorceresses of Rossak, that evolved into the Bene Gesserit, and her daughter Norma Cenva was the first prescient navigator and together with her husband and sons created the Guild & designed the ships.

Love the artwork interpretation of the various forms of mutation into full navigator at 7:20. I always liked the closeup in David Lynch's movie, I thought it was super creepy and gross but it seemed very important and powerful. I saw the movie as a little kid so trust me I was freaked out. I didn't remember the scene of the "worms" flying around during the space folding scene and was surprised by how kinda silly that part looked when I rewatched the movie as an adult. I guess that movie is much better known for creature effects and set design than any of its external vehiclular or space travel scenes.

gutted i didnt see these before the movie... thanks for informing us, appreciiated

Great video summary. I’ve read 3 of Frank’s books. I heard interacting with the video - liking it and commenting it help the creator, so here I am. Excellent video and editing!

Excellent explanation.

There's also the oft overlooked Australian Spacing Guild, which calls itself the "Spicing Guild", which is confusing on so many levels! 🤣

the intro music on this channel is nicely done

Travel the universe without moving. The Holtzmann effect is not really explained in detail in Dune...but it is fascinating. Love your channel!

Talk about dedication to your craft!

Subscribed :) Now I am slowly going thru all your Dune vids, and enjoying myself. Great content! New fan, from Singapore.

I hope we get a glimpse of the navigators in DV’s adaptation!!

Love those videos. 👍👍👍

Been watching your stuff, subbed just now.

I look forward to seeing the new adaptation.

Really hope he does include them. For me (not seeing it until Wednesday) the Navigators, how the weirding way is presented and Paul's evolution will all be the things that will take it from a cool film to an awesome one, if done well.

I've been thinking about how I was going to write this post so bare with me because this will be long. In the other books Norma Cenva is the first navigator and from the few descriptions of the places she appears in her tank it's big enough for her, one other person and some space to spare. I believe that the tanks take up about the area of a Mini Cooper and between 6-7 feet tall. For look if you take the "little gray alien", make the hands and feet more like a cross of the webbing from a duck and the wings of a bat, then elongate the head so it's more fish like you have a good start. A picture you put up in this video of 3 designs on it, I think the body is close to the middle design. In the books one of the guildsman has his contact fall out and his eyes are the same as a Freman, I think the guildsman are failed navigators. In the other books there's is suggestions of different levels of failed navigators, not everyone can become a navigator, some are physically distorted, some go crazy, some die and others go on to do different things because they couldn't make it to navigator level. There is a part in the books that talks about twins, one becomes a navigator and the other is sent home. That's my opinion.

Some one needs to host a intervention for these poor Navigators and get them to admit their addiction to spice!....and I'm gonna stop myself there before I accidently write up a Robot Chicken sketch that ends with the joke being taken way too far! Seriously though, loved this video. Make more! *Hits the subscribe button*

I can not wait until this franchise rolls out, the first movie was awesome, I loved it. this is gonna be better, we will get a better view of this universe and more understanding about the family's and all the very unusual universe this is. bring it on.

Definitely intrigued by Brian's explanation in House Atreides of just how one becomes a Guild Navigator (there's Drugs and "High-Order Mathematics" involved).

Your music choice goes perfectly with your voice narration. Very calming 😘

GREAT VIDEO

As much as I worship Hans Zimmer, I still can’t imagine Dune with Toto’s score. “Duuuun Duuun Dun Duuuuuuuuuuuuun.....”

No the Holtzmen drives are not the only means of FTL in Dune the Padasha emperor's ships all have pre holtzlmen FTL drives just in case of catastrophic emergencey or he just really wanted to kill his ghuld navigator. The reason for the guilds control is that since the Butlerian Jihad they are really just that much faster.

I hope we'll see a navigator in DV's third installment in a wildly successful franchise, "Dune Messiah." Thank you; after listening to too many people trying to comment on Vanity Fair without knowing the source material, it's a relief and pleasure to hear someone as knowledgeable as yourself discuss these matters. Please consider covering CHOAM, another monopoly in Herbert's universe.

Very nice video

Great video! I'm hoping for something close to the SciFi mini-series Navigator, but as long as the eyes are done correctly... FTL travel does get better explained (by Herbert standards) in the later books, with the ships themselves traveling through other dimensions to achieve such high speeds, as the very laws of physics were different in the other dimensions. This is why even the Ixian plotting computers were not able to assure safety like a navigator. A navigator sees across the multiple dimensions, which allowed them to see the ship at the earliest time at a remote destination, unharmed, and then tracked the ship backwards through time to find the course. This tracked through other dimensions, but only those they would survive in. Fun fact: Holtzman effect is also the theory of shield technology. It is why a "slow" weapon could be moved, but the random displacements in the field caused fast moving objects to fly apart and bounce off, with energy weapons (lasers) causing a power cascade of nuclear proportions :o So, not so much a shield as a "fast death zone." It is attenuated to organics to keep it from killing the user, but the rules for this "science" were never expounded on that I know. Keep in mind, I only read the original books, including Brian Herbert's conclusion. I do not care for Kevin Anderson's writing, or I would have read more.

As usual, this is a great video. I am a great fan of 'David lynch's' Dune . One of my favourite scenes is when the Guild visit Shaddam in his palace, the voice of the navigator is excellent.

The trailer shows the high liners as being like a gigantic shirt sleeve or donut shape where if you look through the doubt you will see the planet you’re going to. It looks incredible.

I agree with your world building statement. Too often these days everything is over explained and it takes all of the mystery and lore out of the piece.

Love your voice. Could listen to you talk about anything.

grate commentary , The best movie of all time

At about 6:30 in the video it is mentioned that the "Spacing Guild maintains an entire monopoly on space travel and can charge whatever they want for their ships and services". It might be worthwhile to note that while the Guild pretty much has an effective monopoly on faster that light travel through space, they may not have complete control over the movement of whatever cargo in the Dune universe since there is mention of "Smuggler Guilds" as well. Why there isn't an complete explanation of how exactly they exist, by speculation one can assume they work a bit like real life smugglers by either by bribing (and/or deception) of whatever conventional shipping means (which in this case is the Spacing Guild itself) to move their contraband or by using whatever other means which I image would likely involve ships that are without any Guild pilot to guide them. The first option would likely be a costly and complex option because one would likely have to use another Houses name (likely one of the lower ones) as a front as to not raise suspicion from the Guild and then to insure safe passage one would have to bribe their pass certain checks that might alert any authorities as to what the actual cargo that is being moved. The second option is both costly and desperate since although there isn't any cost from bribes/favors or risk from not passing certain checks there is about a 12.5% chance of any cargo and personal sent on a ship that doesn't use a Guild navigator will be lost. Perhaps there is a 3rd option which might involve employing either a rogue navigator that is more or less similar to a Guild navigator or perhaps using an illegal computer to plot one's course to improve one's odds of getting to their destination in one piece. In the game "Battle for Dune", in the 2nd to the last finale battle a large portion of the player's army leave Arrakis and are used to assault one of their adversaries home worlds it turns out that the Guild ships leave them stuck on the planet and the armies and base left on Arrakis are themselves attacked by armies either employed by the Guild or loyal to allies of the Guild. If the Guild truly has a monopoly on faster than light space travel then one could assume that it would be impossible for any House to manage to get their army back to Dune in order to stop the Guild (since the Guild would NOT transport an enemy army back to Arrakis to attack their own forces no matter how much they were willing to pay), yet when faced with such a dilemma each advisor to a House that they can simply utilize a "smugglers" guild to bring them back to Arrakis and in doing so they would not be alerting the Spacing Guild to their arrival until it was too late for the Guild to do anything about it. Whether this could actually happen according to official Dune canon is uncertain but from what little I know I don't think it has been labeled as impossible according to canon either.

Villeneuve's Heighliner is tubular to be sure, but it is very organic in design I liken it to the Leviathan from Destiny 2, I think it is better that the 2021 film went in that direction because it implies the heighliners were somewhat made in the image of the worms

A very good summation of the Spacing Guild. Myself, I prefer the David Lynch Heighliners over the Mini-Series. Seeing that massive cylindrical vessel hanging (silently) over Caladan, then folding space, travel without moving, made a lasting impression on me. The Mini-Series version was, ok, but, still inferior to the movies design imo. Though, I will admit the artificial gravity is more 'realistic' design feature. But even there, is is implied that some form of gravity manipulation is possible. If this is the case, then the Movie version is the superior design by virtue its internal volume will be so much greater. However, I had no problems with how the mini-series portrayed a senior guild Steersman we see in the fold sequence and later on, Edric. So, like the movie ship better, but feel that perhaps the mini-series did the Senior Guild Navigators very well.

Hopefully this stuff will be explored in detail to some degree in the film. Probably won’t be explored too much, but just enough so people can appreciate the story more.

Ah yes, Spice! The major ingredient of Frank Herbert's original Dune universe. Exploring the Spacing Guild is a must for Villeneuve's Dune adaptation. Great topic by the way. When those books came out. I devoured them. No other way to put it. I'm hoping for an impact on viewers equal to, or better. than Jackson's LOT homage. Asking a lot? Yes! If Villeneuve can pull it off that will be awesome on another level if he can make it work. Thanks👍👀👀👀👍

I'm new to your channel and I'm lovin these Dune and Lord of the rings videos, especially the Dune videos. I've never read the books but I've seen both movie adaptations of it and I really liked both of them (definitely like the 1984 version more tho). So your videos are a great help with lead up to the new Dune movie. Anywho, love the video and keep em coming.....LONG LIVE DUKE LETO!!!!!!!!😁👍🏻

Wayne Barlowe painted a Guild Steersman in his Barlowe's Guide to Extraterrestrials. He drew them as fishlike blue people that evolved this way from spending so much time in zero gravity.

Great synopsis

I love your Dune videos bb you do my story Justice.

We need the spacing guild & navigator. Not only are they important to the story - but, essential to the mystique of the stories universe.

The way the aliens in Arrival were portrayed shows that DV prefers surreal, somewhat disturbing imagery. I think he will endeavor to make the Navigators look human in plan, but with enlarged eyes and heads, webbed extremities, and a sleek appearance to give an unconscious sense of speed and heightened awareness. (The Lynch version wasn't human and reminded me of a space manatee, and the miniseries made them look too delicate. ) I think he'll take inspiration from dolphins, but anthropomorphize and greatly enlarge their heads and leave them with recognizable hands. If I recall correctly, in the book the Navigator was able to consume a bar of melange, so s/he must have hands.

Since the ships don't actually more through space they don't need to follow our shapes. The ships core could be at the center and containers attached around. Regarding the Navigator, it could be a regression. If you look at an human embryo there are stages that meet his description (Fish like).

fantastic, Just because!

Computers existing in that era, do, exist. The issue is how MUCH they can do. Anything that reaches close to the level of ANY kind of intellect is banned. Simple math like our current calculators, would be entirely ignored, and quite lawful.

Much appreciated.

I liked the way the Sci-Fi Channel made the Navigator look. Way more closer to the book,and I had a book(still might be able to find it) that had an artist take on different "Aliens" from Sci-Fi books. He read the books and drew them based on that discription. The guild navigators looked like The Creature from the Black Lagoon only blue.

The concepts in 7:20 are exceptional.

In support of Lynch’s vision, the other being we see mutated by the spice is Leto II, the god emperor/ worm God. There’s more to his mutation of course, he actually becomes a worm but showing the guild navigators as worm like makes sense given the intimate connection between the sand worms and the spice.

At one point, Paul describes a particularly gigantic sand worm as "bigger than a guild highliner". Since sand worms are cylindrical, I think it's a safe assumtion that highliners were as well.

Its either a two part or three part movie collection. the movie that just came out was only the beginning of the story. there was very little depiction of what i assume was guild navigators as they were wearing head gear that kept them incased in spice gas with no visible view of their faces.

The highliners in Dune WERE described in the book as being roughly cylindrical with vast open spaces inside for ships to dock. The 'passengers didn't leave their own ships. The ships mode of travel was described as 'folding space', exactly as Einstein explained what a worm hole was by describing folding a piece of paper that to dots had been marked on the top & bottom of. Carl Sagan went one better by doing this & then sticking a pencil through the dots to make a hole. This principle describes instant travel from one place to another just like walking from one room to another, but ever since the advent of filmed sci-fi, everyone except David Lynch's Dune has portrayed wormholes as tunnels which they are not. There is no tunnel between two rooms, just a doorway.

What an amazing movie. Visually the best movie I have ever seen

I love your videos. I've been doing lore research on many franchises and I'm working my way through all of Dune. These videos have helped me immensely in my research. I would point out though that your comparison to how folding space and hyperdrive work is not entirely accurate. Hyperspace is like "subspace" in Star Trek. A layer that is like a framework to our universe. Ships in Star Wars travel more like the Borg in Star Trek, where they jump from normal space, to subspace (hyperspace). The comment Han says about running into objects is because objects with mass in our layer of space have a "mass shadow" in hyperspace. A ship reaches the speed of light, and draw hyper matter from hyperspace and kind of greases up the ship with that hyper matter, allowing the ship to slip partially into hyperspace. Star Trek ships literally warp space by expanding the space behind the ship, and shrinking it in front of the ship. As it travels, the manipulation of space allows the ship to apparently travel faster than light because of the distance covered, which is only fully apparent after space is no longer warped. Folding space normally operates a lot like warp, but in an extreme sense. The ship itself never moves, but enough power is used to bring the two points together, then unfold with the ship in the other point. This is a lot like Battlestar Galactica with their FTL drives. This makes me wonder why the navigators are said to "find a course" as it were. Traveling without moving should not require a course to chart. Why do you think they call it that? PS - My wife hates the look of the navigators either. Not that she dislikes how they were translated to screen...she just thinks they are gross.

i read the books as a kid many times. prob aeries seven or eight times. not that you need me to point it out but your analysis is so excellent i had to dip in and say aloha! :)

Can't wait to see what the navigators look like in this. IF they even show them...

i cant wait to see DVD denis villeneuves dune i look forward to every single facet and aspect and plan on watching it many many times, lynches navigators reminded me of a tadpole more but i can only imagine what they look like now awesome under denis's creative mind greatly looking forward to watching it has many of my fave actors and actresses in it also and by the previews it is looking freakkin legendary already and when i read the novel i got the image of the monster from conan the destroyer it had finned hands and feet as well but in a tank of gases or a more mutated fish like gungan im very excited.

i just need the new movie to be atmospheric and trippy with great sounds like the old movie. and im good with everything else....... also, i like your narration cheers

Well Done.

*THE SPICE MUST FLOW*

Very awesome renderings, such a brilliant mind, navigators are a much more interesting creature than the engineers( spacejockeys)

No Navigators in the new film 😢 I was really hoping to see a new take on them. Here's to hoping they are seen in part 2.

What's the music playing in the background? I like it

The space folding scene in the Lynch dune was odd but it made sense to me anyway- he picks the start and end point, divines the path, then makes the two points of space coexist temporarily so as to travel instantly without moving. Although it took a few times to work that out; the vomiting golden beam of light thing was a bit odd