What on Earth is going on with EVs, and why is London to blame?

What on Earth is going on with EVs, and why is London to blame? | The Fully Charged Podcast

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This week’s podcast sees Robert and Dan sit down for a good catch up following Robert’s return to the UK after the recent Everything Electric Australia expo.
They’re talking EV adoption, mis-information, the growing demand for EVs, as well as the politicisation of them in numerous countries, most notably the US, and the effect that has on consumer confidence and the transition to electrification of transport.
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@experimental_av Ай бұрын

Have you considered coming to Thailand? Government is quite serious about it. Think we have 40% BEV new sales right now, we are BYD's biggest oversea market and should have about 5 EV factories under construction right now. This week there's a car expo with 3 new EV brands entering the market compared to the last show in December. Would be a blast.

@terryinozland Ай бұрын

We can't build cars in Australia. Ford GMH Toyota Mitsubishi all said so. Hope you guys get paid well for your factory labour.

@rogerstarkey5390 Ай бұрын

Thailand needs Bjørn Nyland as the "Everything Electric Thai Correspondent" . Speaks the necessary languages and has 12 years experience in the leading EV market (Norway)... Plus already plenty of contacts in the industry in Thailand!

@autmek Ай бұрын

It look like the EV new car sale has increased to 12 % of the total new car sale for 2023 in Thailand, which is mighthy impresive by the way. (BYD has 40% of the EV marked)

@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Ай бұрын

Robert and Dan are a great podcast tag team. Robert's boundless enthusiasm is balanced with Dan's deep knowledge of markets and all the data at his fingertips...and a fair bit of humorous banter between them. Thanks guys!

@wales34part Ай бұрын

I watched a trade video recorded in a Renault car factory in which when interviewed the exec stated "the battery packs now cost €4000 euros and represent 40% of the cost to build the car" At the time the particular renault EV was being sold for over £36k in the UK. By example this serves to prove the huge discounts fleets are able to achieve and is proven further by the maths that make up a typical govt. Subsidised salary sacrifice low bik lease. Meanwhile joe public has woken up to the con , made all the more transparent by seeing new zero mile pre registered evs on the used car lots at prices less than half the list prices. What is worse is the crazy price lifting of ICE cars that in the main carry no development cost overheaads. For example a typical fiat 500 new retails at double cost it did just 4 years ago. By raising ice prices the manufacturers are slowly achieving price parity yet at the same time claim that new ev prices are falling. Its all one big con.

@pontiuspirate1925 24 күн бұрын

Yes, a very clever con as you correctly say.

@zippymark 15 күн бұрын

So a new EV costs about 10000 euros to produce, but retails for over 42000 Euros! That's crazy! The government shouldn't be subsidising these vehicles whatsoever! The manufacturers should consider their pricing if they want EVs to take off!!!

@Hotspur657 Ай бұрын

"...all these governments that are removing these very modest subsidies for renewable energy, electric vehicles...they're not removing them from the Fossil Fuel Industry which gets eye-watering subsidies..." YES, Robert. An excellent point which ought to be brought up more often.

@PaulMcCormack1968 Ай бұрын

Can someone enlighten me on the nature of the fossil fuel subsidies? What form do they take? I know the externality subsidy of the pollution/CO2 emissions, but what are the financial subsidies?

@markrainford1219 Ай бұрын

@@PaulMcCormack1968 Subsidies are a complete nonsense when 50%+ tax is taken into consideration.

@andrewsaint6581 Ай бұрын

@@PaulMcCormack1968there's this. 2023 $7 trillion.

@miguellopez3392 Ай бұрын

@@PaulMcCormack1968 government pays for drilling that may not be profitable and gives grants so they build cleaner power plants, without these subsidies green energy would be more competitive.

@gilvandersluis8098 23 күн бұрын

@@markrainford1219the UK tax payers are paying 50% of the fossil fuel companies' North Sea drilling platforms removal / decommissioning costs, during a consumer 'cost of living crisis', when FF companies are making record profits. 🤯

@cavramau Ай бұрын

I have just completed a 3 week rental Tesla model 3 rental in the North of UK. 4 days in each of the Dales, Noth lakes, central lakes and Manchester suburbs. I had no trouble charging, only used tesla chargers twice. Used credit card touchon charging. Only one 4 day stay hotel had AC charger. Drove about 1,500 miles. No problems.

@katherandefy Ай бұрын

Which is why I believe many car rental outfits are ditching EVs. Their owners don’t want to promote EV adoption of course as their baby has long been ICE vehicles.

@cavramau Ай бұрын

@@katherandefy the agent at Hertz, said they were going Polstar. The two Teslar Model 3s there were 2020 models. They had at least one other Y and I counted 3 Polstars. Doesn't sound like abandonment yet.

@RobertLogan Ай бұрын

The Midlands FFS. of The UK. The north of England, not the north of the UK. The North of the UK is where I live, past Inverness - The North of Scotland - but the former UK (fUK) when Scotland ends it, will make you its north.

@cavramau Ай бұрын

@@RobertLogan na, I'm an ignorant Australian tourist now on my way home but I will watch as the next sceksit referendum launches. By the way, how is the EV action in the North of Scotland? I may be back.

@simhedgesrex7097 Ай бұрын

@@RobertLogan The term you want is "rUK" which either (politely) "remaining UK", less politely, "remnant UK" or, as used by many Scots Nats "rump UK". The northernmost part of the former UK will still be in Scotland (just as the west of Ireland is currently the westernmost part of the former UK). But enough hairsplitting: your main point is absolutely correct: Haltwhistle in Northumberland (a mile or two from Hadrian's Wall, and further north than the southernmost part of Scotland) is the centre of the UK when measuring from the northernmost point (Shetland) to Southernmost (the Scilly Isles).

@buckles29 Ай бұрын

Great to hear the chatter between you two, always interesting to hear about more positive news from around the world, rather than the more than slightly depressing mood & situation in the UK. Keep up the great work & really looking forward to coming to the EE live show at the Excel centre this weekend,

@addsfour3499 Ай бұрын

I live in sydney and drive electric. My favourite game is to try to park next to another electric car whenever i go to a large shopping centre. This year, it’s never been a problem.

@greghayden4598 Ай бұрын

With Australia being so large, it would be great to see Everything Electric in Brisbane.

@markeaton6734 Ай бұрын

Definitely, been to both in Sydney but it would be nice to have a local one

@charlesminckler2978 Ай бұрын

Same in the US. Both EE were on the west coast last year. Need some on the east coast.

@martinhammett8121 Ай бұрын

The single biggest factor stopping adoption is charging (Not super fast ) 7-22 kw on street so people who havn't a drive can charge. BUT ! it can't be at an inflated cost if its more than 40p Kwh it makes electric more expensive to run than diesel !

@rugbygirlsdadg Ай бұрын

This is obviously a different level issue in different geographies. The UK quite significant, OZ and the US not so much.

@clanger422 Ай бұрын

Yes! At the moment I don't have a car of any sort but I would like an EV if they get a bit cheaper. I don't have offroad parking but I was pleased to see my street had 4 22kw chargers installed but they're charging 56p Kwh which is nearly double what it would be if I could charge at home, that's a deal breaker for someone like me on a low income. Imagine if petrol prices were double for people without driveways.

@rogerstarkey5390 Ай бұрын

"More expensive than Diesel"? 40p/ kWh (Tesla) ±4 miles /kWh. 10p per mile. Diesel. Locally in London and probably the cheapest around £1.52/ litre. x 4.546 = £6.90/gallon ÷ 40mpg = 17.2p per mile . Not even close. (+ servicing, etc)

@Dave-mv3xy Ай бұрын

@@rogerstarkey5390That's not comparing apples with apples. That doesn't account for the losses in charging. Also The model 3 is one of the most efficient models. Better off comparing it with a 320d averages around 55mpg. Obviously you'll still likely save a fortune with the Tesla as it needs no regular serving

@watcher24601 Ай бұрын

Public charging was around 25 pence per kw, then we left the European energy market, now government is too focused on Rwanda to fix the problems it caused.

@devonbikefilms Ай бұрын

It’s really becoming obvious how many EVs are on the road now. Here in south Devon UK there are plenty of VWs, Renaults, Tesla, Kia, Nissan (mainly older leaf’s). We’re getting a better charging infrastructure as well, although Plymouth remains a bit of a desert.

@simhedgesrex7097 Ай бұрын

As are most rural villages. If I could connect my flat to an EV I could charge for as little as 5p or 6p per kWh, but on a public charger it will cost my about 70p - way more expensive than Diesel. As EV take up increases, fuel poverty is going to become a BIG political issue: EVs cost more than ICEs and cost more to fill up.

@robertduncan5912 Ай бұрын

The cost of public charging electrons is a disgrace. Hopefully it will come down as general energy costs reduce now - it certainly should. I feel for people who can't charge near their homes. I am fortunate in being able to charge off-peak for 9p/kWh, which is 90% of my use. We really do need to address the cost of public charging in this country.

@simhedgesrex7097 Ай бұрын

@@robertduncan5912 A lot of public charging costs are paying back the infrastructure cost of installing chargers and connecting them to the grid. Hopefully over time these initial charges will be paid off, and prices will reduced. But prices at present are appallingly high.

@greghayden4598 Ай бұрын

I am from Brisbane, Australia. I am the first to have indiction, BYD, solar panel and hot water in my family. My oldest brother wants to come over and drive the BYD. It just shows it only takes one EV in the family and the rest will follow.

@greghayden4598 Ай бұрын

Induction

@razvanlex Ай бұрын

@@greghayden4598 Induction. Don't forget the dot.

@mrg-ghx8052 Ай бұрын

Indoctrination

@terryhayward7905 29 күн бұрын

Australia is the perfect place for an EV, enough sun to make solar work to power the house and enough spare to charge the EV batteries, that does not work in the UK, we might get enough sun to do that for maybe 2 weeks in the year. The answer here is better charging facilities AND lower prices for them. If you use public charging, it costs not much less than paying for petrol for your ICE vwhicle.

@pontiuspirate1925 24 күн бұрын

@@terryhayward7905 Terry, I just finished driving the Great Inland Way here in Australia. We do it a couple of times a year to visit family in western Queensland (outback Queensland). We did 3500km (diesel VW) and on this trip I took particular interest to see if it was possible to do the trip in a Tesla 3 as they’re the most common EV here. It turned out that it’s not possible yet in inland Australia, very little and in many cases no charging infrastructure at all. Many of the remote roadhouses are powered by their own diesel generators so that blows the whole purpose of an EV out the window. It will get better I’m sure but nobody in the bush is overly interested in EVs so it’ll take many years before you can do long bush trips here confidently in an EV.

@shonunezekiel Ай бұрын

I live in a somewhat poorer part of London where people are much more likely to buy second (or more) hand, or lease, than to buy first hand cars, and I am seeing significantly more electric cars in the last year - I appreciate this is anecdotal - but I see that annual second hand EV sales increased 90.5% in the UK (but from a low number, to 118,973).

@rogerstarkey5390 Ай бұрын

The end of the 3 year fleet leases kickstarted the used EV market. Now we're into the second round of those.

@kevinwhite981 11 күн бұрын

Let's face it guys they're pretty crap 😂

@waynethefridgemanosborne8984 Ай бұрын

Hi guys , it was great chatting with you both in Sydney . Booked hotel already for next year's show . I have been talking about electric vehicles for years now here in Australia, and when you see the face of someone driving a electric vehicle for the first time . I have no words. Keep smiling everyone and see you next year.

@Jaw0lf Ай бұрын

An amazing discussion and hearing you say all of the shows you run as a mighty result of all your teams hard work. I will be at Harrogate for the 3 days this time as loved all the different discussion topics. I hope to get to meet some of you again.

@robertgreig9936 Ай бұрын

I just wanted to say a massive Thankyou to everyone on Fully Charged / Everything Electric Show and Stop Burning Stuff for all their hard work . 👍 and a belated Happy Birthday Robert.

@djp3637 2 күн бұрын

For the UK the cost of electricity is another major factor keeping ev sales between 15-18%. 2 years ago electricity was 14p-16p per kWh at home on a normal tariff. Which made electric cars even on a normal tariff substantially cheaper to run. For the past 2 year period on a normal tariff you are looking at 28-35p per kWh which means an electric car costs roughly the same as an ICE one (when including some fast charge usage). While there are special tariffs which can make it cheaper that adds another thing for people to think about. At a certain point people say "oooo no I'll just stick with what I know".

@JoshuaGrech Ай бұрын

I live in Australia too, went to fully charged show for the first time (and did a couple of drives). I also have a solar setup and have a myenergi eddi (and harvi) and will likely will get a zappi if I finally get an ev. The myenergi team has been great to work with (thought I’d share so you aren’t too sad about the state of your UK clean energy companies)

@The_Observer72 Ай бұрын

Just recently spent 3 days in Berlin. I only saw one (1) EV during my whole stay. That was a Tesla.

@devonbikefilms Ай бұрын

Been driving around south Devon, Exeter Plymouth area, loads of EVs around there. Volkswagen, Tesla, Kia, Renault.

@rogerphelps9939 Ай бұрын

Had your eyes closed did you? Here out in the sticks in Southern England you pretty much always see at least a couple every day.

@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834 Ай бұрын

oh, not good, spent a day in Adelaide last weekend, saw dozens of Teslas, 3 BYD's including a cool looking Seal, and a couple of MG's.

@simhedgesrex7097 Ай бұрын

@@devonbikefilms Easy to spot in the UK because of the green stripe on the number plate. Not all countries do this, though, so they may be harder to spot in Berlin.

@simhedgesrex7097 Ай бұрын

@@iscadean3607 Not when driving from Exeter to Bath up the M5. I usually spot about 5 or 6 on each journey.

@0KiteEatingTree0 Ай бұрын

I went to Excel a few weeks ago. Smooth journey, wheelchair fine on the Elizabeth line , really helpful staff. I do hope WAVS will be at the show

@williammoore9609 Ай бұрын

There is engineering works on the line for the easter weekend

@gaminggrandpa5562 Ай бұрын

Any chance we can get time stamps for the topics being discussed pretty pls.

@3rd_Rock Ай бұрын

I was looking to replace my 14 year old fossil car, but was dismayed by the sales staff at my local VW and Kia sales rooms who were very less than enthusiastic. I was looking to spend around £55k, and had many questions however they seemed bored and had to be persuaded to even unlock a car for me to sit in. I remember buying my new Jaguar XF 14 years ago and the staff were wonderful. In short I have decided to keep my fossil car for a little longer. Perhaps that was a reflection of Volkswagen and Kia, however, it has put me off the whole buying experience.

@julianguffogg Ай бұрын

Try Tesla!

@yellownev Ай бұрын

For me it’s the second hand market that’s telling the story about reliable cheaper to run long lasting batteries. That will see the penetration finally ….

@knowledgebyte Ай бұрын

I remember in 2018 when I switched form a PHEV to a BEV, I could maybe count one other electric car near me and saw very few on the road. Now I can count upwards of 15-20 on a 35 minute trip. I wonder what the data is for the amount of toxic gases being removed from the atmosphere is? London is definitely a lot cleaner now. Being able to sit outside pub in London at the weekend and breathe clear air, is now a guaranteed norm. The political noise is due to the pollution being removed. We’re moving into a net-zero pollution phase.

@chairmakerPete Ай бұрын

These guys are making a lot of money from this. Well done!

@homelifeone Ай бұрын

For spreading misinformation

@paulpopplestone7837 Ай бұрын

Great episode and congratulations on the Sidney event and all the work you’re doing to take these events around the world. I really enjoy Dan’s calm analysis of all the topics discussed and would love to see him appear more often. You’re doing great work and I would love to see one of your events in France so I can get to one.

@mickwilson127 Ай бұрын

I’m an EV evangelist, on my second car ( Megane E-Tech), but need to mention the elephant in the room. The price of public charging is absolutely ruinous if you cannot charge at home or work. Given the very much higher upfront cost of most decent EVs , and the insurance - the TCO has become beyond the reach of many, many people. I personally will never go back to an ICE vehicle, but return journeys longer than 200 miles are now looked at very carefully for affordability.

@terryinozland Ай бұрын

I agree. Tbh i am waiting it out to see if the e supply companies (Ergon etc) just kill the ev idea single handedly so much so that a five hr trip away is cheaper by ice car. Then also i have to get solar panels as well and i am not keen on that just yet.

@terryinozland Ай бұрын

I like the Megane etech . Priced here at $67,k so sadly its not possible either.

@rogerstarkey5390 Ай бұрын

That's the price of "SOME" public charging. If you're going on "a trip", it's well worth taking the £10:99 Tesla subscription. If you used the highest priced Superchargers, ± 53p compared to the 79p at other suppliers, you'd be in front after [10.99 /(.79-.53)] = 42 kWh. Even at "Tesla range of 4 miles/ kWh that's only 100 miles. (So Probably less?) . Come to think of it, if you travel more than 100 miles per month *any* time, it's worth it. I suppose it's the closest thing to an "EV Season ticket"? (Then there's the reliability factor?)

@michael.randall5034 Ай бұрын

Electricity will only go up as more people use it. 80% of fuel is tax.

@joolsmorgan7032 Ай бұрын

Don’t disagree. For anyone who can charge at home or work getting an EV is a no brainer. Loads of cheap secondhand EVs about. Secondly most people drive about 30 miles a day so 200 mile journeys are relatively rare. Third, this UK Government has set back EV adoption years by failing to support EVs and charging network. In fact they are actively discouraging adoption and fail to challenge the nonsense being circulated.

@paulgardner5665 Ай бұрын

Hail Caesar! Re your analysis of our U.S. policy, a lot of subsidies from the Inflation Reduction Act would be hard to reverse in a GOP administration, especially since so many conservative states are receiving the largest benefits. New car plants, new battery plants, lots of manufacturing jobs. That said, there are many ways our progress could be hindered but electrification is on the march here.

@regisdumoulin Ай бұрын

Maybe the slow down in the adoption of EV in the UK has something to do with the price of electricity... I drive an electric car (MG4) at home, and went to the UK a couple of weeks ago. So I rented an EV, but then I couldn't believe how expensive public chargers were. In my home country, France, I pick my chargers and usually charge from 30 to 45 euro cent per kWh... but there I paid prices around 65 to 70 pence per kWh! That's like 82 cents, double than what I'm used to pay! And extra charges are common too... and then I noticed (with some envy) petrol was quite a big cheaper than what I'm used to (UK £1.45/€1.70 per liter vs £1.60/€1.90 in France)... So expensive electricity and cheap petrol, the perfect recipe for stopping EV's expansion! I do have a question to any UK resident out there. How come electricity is so so incredibly expensive? Do you pay a lot for your home electricity too? As a comparison, my home electricity tariff is 15 cent per KwH. I must say I felt a real sting and it made me thing next time I might hire a petrol car instead!

@simongreenidge6454 15 күн бұрын

As a UK resident; if you can recharge your electric car at home, it is cheap compared to filling up with gasoline or diesel. However if you regularly drive hundreds of kilometres away from home every week, it may be cheaper (and certainly more convenient) to drive a car with a modern, efficient diesel engine. I have noticed "a lot" of talk in the past few months complaining about the high cost of recharging at commercial centres (to the point where it is no cheaper than refilling with diesel). Toyota has received much criticism for focusing on hybrid technology, but perhaps they are correct (for the time being).

@chrismills1727 Ай бұрын

Keep up the great work Robert love all your stuff

@sparkytas Ай бұрын

Australia has the benefit of having an extremely high level of home solar penetration, and so huge numbers of Australians are discovering the thrills of making their own fuel. I love filling my EV with electrons from my own rooftop panels! Once we got rid of coal loving corrupt PM - Dodgy Scott, and anti EV policies were thrown out with him, the flood gates opened. I expect Australia to sail past a great many countries in regards to EV uptake. We just need to solve affordable EV charging for non driveway owners.

@st-ex8506 Ай бұрын

Great! But you also have your rabid EV-hating dis-information channels, such as MGUY Australia!

@terryinozland Ай бұрын

Oh for goodness sakes !

@John.0z Ай бұрын

@sparkytas I don't think that Dutton is any less backward in displaying his renewable power or BEV ignorance. And Albo is effectively silent on the EV subject. Fortunately Shorten has bought a BEV, and likes to talk about it. With anti-electric FUD steadily rising, EV prices still sky-high, and charging sites still rather rare, I would not yet describe the situation down under as positively as you did. I am still waiting for an EV that will fit in my parking space! Don't get me started on Sky b@#$%^&*()_y "news". BTW I tried, but cannot install solar for my home. The power regulation authorities for places generically termed "residential villages", like most retirement properties, have all sorts of barriers still in place; even if the residents want the solar, and can pay for it.

@erictheblue7256 Ай бұрын

I also love the idea of owning a home where the sun can not only power my home, but with enough battery storage my car as well-my own eGas station! Alas, I live in Denver Colorado and the terrible irony is though Denver gets over 300 days of sunshine per year, and green energy is supported by the city and state, very few people (myself included) can afford to buy a single family home here...

@sudeeptaghosh Ай бұрын

It will be an amazing development when AUS will sell electricity to neighbours .. gods speed ..

@terryhayward7905 Ай бұрын

I think that all EV companies are missing out on a huge market. SMALL, SIMPLE affordable second cars for local use, instead they concentrate on EVs that would take the place of your IC vehicle. I drive a Volvo XC70 to tow a caravan, but most of the time, I could use a tiny 2 seat EV to do what I need, But, there is almost nobody selling one in the UK.

@solentbum Ай бұрын

If you look at thre development of the ICE car there many years between its invention and it becoming cheap enough for all to buy. With EVs that period has been remarkably short.

@peterwalton5768 Ай бұрын

Agreed. A 45k EV is not exactly an affordable commuter vehicle.

@daytriker 26 күн бұрын

It might seem too obvious but have you considered an electric bike or trike? I know in U.K. & many parts of the world, protectionism for the auto industry limits the amount of power on your 2 or 3 wheel transport but they have become so refined now that many owners have given up car ownership.

@solentbum 26 күн бұрын

@@daytriker The restriction on E-bike power in UK and Europe are based on vehicle design criteria, to keep the e-bike within the 'bicycle' classification for nearly all to use. If you want a more powerful E-bike, they are made but come within 'Motorcycle' classifications. The restrictions are for safety considrations based on many years of experience of many types of powered bikes.

@solentbum 26 күн бұрын

@@peterwalton5768 There are several 'cheap' EVs on the launch pad with some already on the marketplace. MG4 , and Dacia Spring for starters, Nissan Micra Renault 5 coming soon.

@matthewwhittleton4519 Ай бұрын

Just ordered the Skoda enyaq and learning a lot about EV been driving ice cars for years and I see the future is evolving with EV shame lots of people still sceptical about them

@timoliver8940 Ай бұрын

Just coming to the end of a 3 year PCP with my 1st EV - a Mini Cooper S E. Brilliant car, huge fun to drive and I haven’t found it’s short range in any way a problem with my use needs as a retired person. It started out as a 2nd car to a big proper offroad 4x4 used for what it was designed to do plus runs over 100 miles round trips on road but very quickly the Mini became the go to on road car. Yesterday I signed up for a 4 year lease on the new U25 Countryman SE Sport BEV. As the Defender gets less and less use it it will soon surplus to requirements and I might have to consider giving up my jollies offroad. Despite the Countryman being AWD I doubt it will cope with going further offroad than a forest track. Current Mini hatch BEV is costing me 2.5ppm to run, Defender D250 90 89ppm plus VED plus servicing……………. What’s not to like about a small EV? I’ll be coming to Everything Electric North in May, but not by EV until next year. Why is it EE North? Harrogate is 250 miles SOUTH of me, if you want it to be a Northern exhibition then you should run it in Aberdeen or Inverness or even Lerwick - they are proper up North! Maybe you should just call the 2nd UK show The Everything Electric Harrogate show

@markmcculloch2570 Ай бұрын

Here in South Africa. We have our own show. It’s called. Everything non electric. Thanks to this corrupt ANC government.

@kasmstamps1897 Ай бұрын

The trouble with Nissan is that they don't listen to customers. Re Leaf kicking and screaming to increase battery size but still no thermal management of battery or ccs. Or import a really good small serial hybrid (went for medium suv🤦)

@The_Observer72 Ай бұрын

There are other brands than Nissan out there.

@terryinozland Ай бұрын

Imagine a 90kw with cooling , leaf, with 450 amp charging and regen and 500km distance of travel etc. this is where it should be today with constant improvement. Proves Nissa n do not care really.

@timscott3027 Ай бұрын

I would like to have seen the leaf get slightly more compact and neat looking, with 100kw+ charging for a lower price. I do genuinely like the leaf but I'm not gonna buy a chademo car in 2024, especially when I don't have home charging and my work has just put in a load of CCS chargers.

@The_Observer72 Ай бұрын

@@timscott3027 Nissan has suspended production of LEAF. Buy a Kia Niro EV instead with 7 year warranty.

@solentbum Ай бұрын

My guess is that Mk 3 LEAF will have CCS charging as part of the revamp.

@nightowlnzab Ай бұрын

Trouble is, Australia might be experiencing an EV boom right now - but so was New Zealand until late last year when we had a change of government. Subsidies and incentives for EVs, and fees on "dirty" cars were gone within a couple of months - and so far (March stats pending), EV purchases have slumped.

@beforetheinternet Ай бұрын

Subsidies were a very recent thing in Australia and not all states had them, so people got used to buying EVs without subsidies. My home state had subsidies only for 2 years and they ended last year. It seems to have made no difference. The two biggest months of EV sales were Feb and March this year.

@charlesmoss8119 28 күн бұрын

Can you detail thef9ssil fuel subsidy? I hear it quoted but have never seen stats - also the offset against take against things like fuel sale?

@Krydolph Ай бұрын

Any chance you are recording the interviews and stuff from the show and releasing it here? I would love to see some more Colin Furze, he has such a great energy. And some of the others also sounded interesting!

@AuntieBuddie Ай бұрын

Love the presentation style - I hardly noticed you both weren't in the same room! 😎

@zippymark 15 күн бұрын

A little history, Crude electric carriages were first invented in the late 1820s and 1830s. Practical, commercially available electric vehicles appeared during the 1890s. An electric vehicle held the vehicular land speed record until around 1900. In the early 20th century, the high cost, low top speed, and short range of battery electric vehicles, compared to internal combustion engine vehicles, led to a worldwide decline in their use as private motor vehicles. Electric vehicles have continued to be used for loading and freight equipment and for public transport - especially rail vehicles. EVs aren't new technology, they've been superseded by much better for people to get around 'the ICE car'.

@urbanstrencan Ай бұрын

Another great episode from two of the best 😊❤

@rodmitchell831 Ай бұрын

Thanks so much for the positive fight you guys

@erictheblue7256 Ай бұрын

I love your show, your staff, and of course the critically important topic of green, renewable energy. I look forward to future episodes (it's like intellectual cat-nip for me)😁 and hopefully attending one your live events. PS: I value the viewer comments as well. I'm reading through them now. Cheers!

@bernardcharlesworth9860 Ай бұрын

My ev is totally integrated into my life.I find it odd when someone says I never buy one of them.I tell them it's just a car.

@Sonya_Makepeace 29 күн бұрын

You mean your life has integrated with the car. The car owns you.

@Acnasheen 23 күн бұрын

2027: EVs are OVER

@bernardcharlesworth9860 23 күн бұрын

@@Acnasheen that good thank goodness I brought mine 3 years ago

@28blooddog 29 күн бұрын

First time checking y'all out. Very nice! Ty you for your service to the green energy cause o7 < saluting person

@fredbloggs72 Ай бұрын

Will be at the show on 28th, travelling by train part of which is Elizabeth Line, it would have been considerably cheaper to drive in!

@judebrown4103 Ай бұрын

Woo hoo! Clever camera angles ...I think you're not really in the same room....mind you, had my second cataract op yesterday and it's 05.15 now so I can barely see anything! Least of all wit I just wrote! 😂

@gregbailey45 Ай бұрын

Wait till tomorrow, woohoo!

@judebrown4103 Ай бұрын

@@gregbailey45 👀

@fredhearty1762 19 күн бұрын

'Make the most cars, not make the most noise' -- great comment! Applies equally to those anti-EV doom and gloomers versus those building cost-competitive Everything Electric'. Keep moving ahead... the public will catch on. Norway is a great example of persistence when EVs were struggling -- they are practically there.

@user-yh6xf3wl1h Ай бұрын

E scooters should be put under a safety check for build quality. DFES reported over 1000 fires caused by scooters and other personal mobility types last year including 2 fatalities.

@ohyesitsme Ай бұрын

@@iscadean3607 Jeez, I seen some arguments but that takes the cake.

@rickwhite7736 Ай бұрын

It's the dodgy chargers that cause the fires not the scooters because people charge then indoors overnight.

@user-yh6xf3wl1h Ай бұрын

@@rickwhite7736scooter or charger, same result. As you said dodgy.

@user-yh6xf3wl1h Ай бұрын

@@iscadean3607Woah! A bit defensive arent we, can't say anything about the religion. Point is e scooters n the like are knocked out in Chinese sweat shops with absolutely stuff all quality control. As for the fatalities you would soon change your tune if it was some one in your family!!!!!!

@simhedgesrex7097 Ай бұрын

@@user-yh6xf3wl1h It's the chargers that need more regulation, not the scooters. Electric scooters aren't inherently dangerous, but third party chargers can be.

@showme360 Ай бұрын

That was a great Podcast sharing NOW.

@mrmawson2438 Ай бұрын

Cheers lads

@sky-frequency 10 күн бұрын

Listened to half way through and most of your discussion is about ev sales and charging places. Do you look into sell on value? Where does the charging energy come from? It, the electricity, cannot be produced out of thin air.

@mrmawson2438 Ай бұрын

Lol I'm 45 and still live with my mum an dad

@ambassadorfromreality1125 Ай бұрын

Regarding the proposed stop burning stuff in Washington. Try linking up with Rollie Williams of "climate town ". Very entertaining man with an important message

@victorsvoice7978 Ай бұрын

Australia needs more small city evs that everyone can afford to buy. Not huge, expensive suvs and pickup trucks.

@MegaWilderness Ай бұрын

Large SUVs and pickups do the planet no favours. Purchase price of BEVs price them out of the market. No small BEVs on the secondhand market, insurance costs and repair costs too high. High price of public charging greater than the cost of diesel. It's no surprise that PHEVs are more popular

@twelvebears1971 Ай бұрын

The danger at the moment is the perception regarding EV depreciation. Whether this is real or spin, it has the potential to seriously dent adoption in the UK. I’ve been lucky enough to secure an Ioniq 5 through a leasing scheme, so the finance risk is not mine, but if things don’t change, people will be scared to invest their own money in new purchases and lease prices will rise.

@nottmfunguy Ай бұрын

Whilst 1 in 4 are return to ICE, depreciation will have a major impact, most people cannot afford throw away cars!

@robertwood574 Ай бұрын

Sorry, the risk is yours. Check the ballon rental at the end of the lease period, do you really think a finance company is going to lose money? It’s all about the money.

@nottmfunguy Ай бұрын

@@robertwood574 I agree, any depreciation in the EV or any lease car contract will be recoup by the lease arrangement with the lease holder.

@0KiteEatingTree0 Ай бұрын

That’s a shame about the Honda E It seemed like a very good vehicle, practical. The turning circle and really good boot or even more with the seats down

@MrAdopado Ай бұрын

Cute, expensive, terrible range.

@topcat807 Ай бұрын

@@MrAdopado "cute, expensive,terrible range" Sounds like it's better then pretty much all other EVs then considering it's cute.

@Clampett01 Ай бұрын

We are taking out chargers now in the UK with many InstaVolt stations being removed or disabled. Broken destination chargers abound with queues and breakdowns means a lack of confidence in the infrastructure and fear of extremely high cost charging prices.

@ZeroCarbonBristol Ай бұрын

Brilliant. Had fun at Excel - learned a lot. Subscribed. See you around,.. Keep up the good work. Walking towards the gunfire...

@maxflight777 Ай бұрын

3:52 I haven’t heard of your guest before…. But he makes a great deal of sense !

@1964mcqueen Ай бұрын

It should not be a surprise that some EV Start-UPs are struggling. How many Automotive Start-Ups have ever made it? Hyundai in the 80's, but the company itself has been around since the 40's. If only a few make it, that would represent a significant shift from the legacy manufacturers that have dominated for 100+ years. And if one fails, that does not mean anything about the overall market.

@neildolan7177 Ай бұрын

What I find frustrating on KZfaq is that every electric car podcast is followed by an advert for gas-powered cars.

@martingill6996 22 күн бұрын

What we really need in the EV car industry is a re-focus on efficiency and cost over acceleration performance as insurance premiums are also causing a problem of which the insurance companies need to be looked at. For example you may want all wheel drive but don’t need a 4s 0-60mph (100kmph) time .

@martinutr Ай бұрын

Hi there. I was wondering if San Diego, or some other US city, was going to be hosting a live event this year.

@rogerstarkey5390 Ай бұрын

The perfect place MIGHT be Austin, but.... Failure to appreciate..... And all that Smeg? smh

@mrmawson2438 Ай бұрын

Happy days Robert

@grahamconnolly3241 Ай бұрын

Are electric cars being fitted with GEO Fencing and Geo Timing capabilities can you explain these please.

@ramblerandy2397 Ай бұрын

Around a week later. Went to The Everything Electric Show, at the Excel Centre, last Thursday. This time with a specific reason and questions about domestic clean energies. And I got my answers and I am much clearer on the way forward now. I've been to several Fully Charged events including Farnborough, for example, and stayed all day. This time I was in and out in about 3.5 hours. Still had time for side events like turning down loads of invitations to have a test drive [I have a BEV, though I was tempted]. Sitting in a BYD Seal, which is a very nice car indeed. A Great Wall Motors Funky Cat [again, that's the 3rd time - so cute]. An MG Cyberster - boy is that thing going to sell. It's ridiculously good looking, very comfortable, and shouts new technology. The Rep said, "you'd like to drive off in that, yeah?" She was right. I don't like to use the word "cool", as it is overused, but that MG is. They do need to make a hardtop version for wetter/colder countries, but I think it's going to be a very popular convertible, even in the UK. I enquired of the price. She didn't know exactly or approximately, as it is a close secret. I pressed for a ballpark figure? It'll come in single and dual motor versions. Single motor around £50-60K, Dual - £60-70K. These are going to be performance cars, even the single motor. I hope they can make enough.

@fjalics Ай бұрын

EVs are gaining economies of scale. Enough EVs on the roads to support a charging infrastructure, and enough sales to support a variety of mass produced dedicated EV platforms. Now in places like Norway, ICE will begin to lose a little of those economies of scale as the percentage of ICE vehicles on the road wane.

@slowercuber7767 Ай бұрын

43:54 As a pro electrification, pro EV, Tesla driving, “barking mad” pro MAGA American man(iac?) I understand your confusion, but I don’t share it, it’s simply a matter of first principles and priorities. Great show, BTW, you’re spot on that the burnable substance subsidies should end, especially those promoting the growing of corn to act as a fuel additive source. It is critical that the Federal and State governments get behind an achievable set of goals to transform our transmission and distribution networks to use technologies that support an organic, reasonably regulated growth of battery backed solar power at all levels of the grid. EVs are only one of many new tech loads that the grid will be required to support in the coming decades, and if sensibly enabled, EVs can be part of the solution to the challenges, instead of just being another challenge.

@miloszenko Ай бұрын

Anyone remember what was the movie about possible future of global ekonomics till 2050? I think one of Roberts postcasts was linking to it.

@ftb2772 Ай бұрын

Another epic show dudes.

@---nt5mb Ай бұрын

Love your shows! If you find the time would you consider doing another show on purchasing 2nd hand Ev’s. The depreciation on an EV at the moment is disturbing and unrepresentative of their value and though I know the price dumping that has gone on has played a major part in it. I also feel that people feel unsure of buying 2nd hand EV’s because they don’t know how to estimate the health and longevity of a cars battery.

@rogerstarkey5390 Ай бұрын

Have you never read Master Plan 2006? "We will drive down prices" . Can't have it both ways

@kapanda1142 Ай бұрын

Will you show expo come to NY?

@simonpannett8810 Ай бұрын

Cost cutting for Solar Panels and Batteries reduce the need for EV subsidies but we do need Fossil Fuels have their subsidies cut!! Second hand fleet sales coming into play along with cheaper, smaller cars coming and will be strong by the end of 2024!! BYD could decide to really target UK volume with price cutting!! Interesting to see if Pump prices increase with reduced supply due to the war in Russia??

@simhedgesrex7097 Ай бұрын

"Cost cutting for Solar Panels and Batteries reduce the need for EV subsidies" - not if you don't somewhere to install the panels, or your landlord won't do it or allow it.

@andymccabe6712 Ай бұрын

'Count Quentula'..... .. Top one... ... Bring it on....!!!

@leedsleedsleeds1747 Ай бұрын

I will be buying a used Tesla model 3 in the summer and would like to know which would be a better buy a Standard Range plus or Long Range (with a higher mileage) if both were a similar price?

@kensmith5694 Ай бұрын

BTW: As a subsidy to the oil industry, the US keeping the shipping lanes for oil tankers open, counts. The US military is providing them security that they are not paying for.

@elainebradley8213 Ай бұрын

Where we are in rural Ontario gas stations are rare and not always open. Our main driver, Tesla is so liberating. We also love that the attached garage does not fill up with fumes and pollute the house. Help! Our Sierra is almost out of gas, the extra gas can is empty. We have gas anxiety.

@ASBO_LUTELY Ай бұрын

You have a functioning Sierra? That's a modern classic !

@MyMateYourMate Ай бұрын

Could you talk about increasing adoption in the 2nd hand market? I’ve just bought my first EV (Hyundai Ioniq) and I won’t go back. Lots of cars seem to be rolling off pcp deals into the used market.

@RichardFarmbrough 26 күн бұрын

EV Volumes say "Please note that we can offer our products and services to business customers only. An EV Volumes employee will contact you personally and explain the EV Volumes products and services to you" 😥

@mrmawson2438 Ай бұрын

BYD begin manufacturing thousands of EVs for Australia & NZ in Thailand The Electric Viking

@Eric-qo5kf Ай бұрын

An excellent dialogue covering many useful points of interest. More please. Make sure you keep prodding the government about charging and long term planning (haa!!!). Also it’s time for someone to skewer the insurance industry for their robber-baron rip-off premiums regarding evs in particular. Also ‘bout time Quentin kicked the BBC…hard!

@robsmith1a Ай бұрын

It's certainly true that the negative tabloid coverage has affected people's perceptions of EVs (I've pretty much given up trying to persuade anyone in the pub otherwise unless I'm feeling particularly feisty). I think another headwind is that some people try an EV and switch back to a combustion car because of the practicalities and lack of financial incentive to do so if you aren't a company car driver (I used to have a Zoe but now have an SLK). I have other friends who have given up EVs because of the practical aspects and this really needs addressing. Public chargers, are expensive, often of the wrong type in the wrong place and there isn't proper nationwide coverage yet. The price of electricity means that diesel is cheaper in many cases unless you are home charging. I still think that anyone who can't charge at home has to sacrifice quite a lot in terms of time and money to drive an EV and most people aren't willing to do this. I'm yet to see a cheap and practical solution for flat owners. The structure of company car incentives distorts the market meaning that lots of big, heavy, ludicrously fast and expensive to insure EVs are hitting the used market and these aren't really what people want as used buyers. The situation could be so much better if the government had put some planning in to this as Tesla did (even in the case of Tesla there are some dead areas still).

@patemblen3644 Ай бұрын

Get rid of the Tories, it worked here in Australia.

@ramblerandy2397 Ай бұрын

Thankfully, I believe they may be getting rid of themselves. I hear every day from relatives, friends and colleagues that they would buy new or used BEVs were it not for the fact that they see their assets diminishing by the month and costs going up. This is a direct consequence of governmental policy and Dan's B word. The last 14 years has been a disasterous experiment which has enriched the few, who didn't need further enriching in the first place.

@markandrew6572 Ай бұрын

The Tories in the U.K. are dead in the water. They’ve had nothing to offer the U.K. for years having bowed to their paymasters at every turn. That said, they’re leaving the country in a much worse state than what they inherited over 14 years ago. Living standards have fallen due to many factors, not least of which is a decline in trade with the EU as a direct result of Brexit. EV’s are less affordable than they could have been. EV adoption has also been deliberately retarded in the U.K. for political reasons. The hold over the Tory party in particular, by the oil and gas industry is undeniable. The U.K. cannot move forward until they go.

@ramblerandy2397 Ай бұрын

@@markandrew6572 Well said. Couldn't have put it better.

@bbbf09 Ай бұрын

@@markandrew6572 Never underestimate the unnerving self harm instincts and donkey headed level stupidity of the British electrorate (remmber Brexit?) - they could still deliver another Tory gov. Interesrtingly if you raised the voting age to pension age today and had election tommorow the Tories would easily cruise to victory. Think on that.

@chairmakerPete Ай бұрын

@@markandrew6572 the way the Tories squandered a golden economy is shameful

@chrisreid6237 Ай бұрын

As a private buyer cost is the only issue, electric cars are so much more expensive, even though they are coming down in cash cost the lease and pcp cost is still massively higher than petrol cars of the same cash cost. I bought a car last year on a hire purchase for less than the pcp cost of an equivalently priced ev.

@stephencollins5706 Ай бұрын

Toyota are still harping on about Hydrogen DOH!

@actualfacts1055 Ай бұрын

I am the Fabulous head of the fabulous show with fabulous guests, how fabulous.

@homelifeone Ай бұрын

Fabulous, rubbish

@keithbennett1656 Ай бұрын

You mentioned Statista at the beginning of the feature.According to them private cars produce around 7% of global emissions.Why is there so much effort put into addressing such a relatively small percentage of emissions ? Why don't i see the same effort being put into changing the behaviours of the producers of the other 93% of emissions producers ?

@gregbailey45 Ай бұрын

Home solar + battery with arbitrage energy trading is the best response to this problem. Become part of a distributed (virtual) power plant.

@sebyst7907 Ай бұрын

Oil usage is 1/3 of total primary energy consumption. EVs can make a massive change here. Don't know where you get your 7% figure

@keithbennett1656 Ай бұрын

@@sebyst7907 As i said i got the figures from Statista.

@user-hf7jp2lt5x Ай бұрын

Lots of large companies have committed to zero carbon by 2050 and mine (a 2 billion turnover uk based international) has committed earlier. We have major investments in generation and energy efficiency. These stories just don’t make the news. Cars do.

@keithbennett1656 Ай бұрын

@@user-hf7jp2lt5x Making a commitment is not the same as having the government force change on you.

@inkooh8 Ай бұрын

35:13 You are correct you are not "not jealous", you are "not envious". I hope you reach 12M subscribers soon.

@octarinehk Ай бұрын

Don’t be too down on the UK. The number of high power chargers here visibly seemed to jump in 2023. Big hat tip to gridserve making them very visible on the motorway network. (Wish the price was more reasonable)

@jcizman 12 күн бұрын

High cost of EV in Canada is not misinformation. That’s the main reason I can’t buy one.

@nickthegriffin 11 күн бұрын

You dont need discounts/incentives if the product is actually better than what it is replacing people will just buy them as there just better. Id like to see the sales figures of ev vs ice with no incentive to see what the average person actually wants rather than what there forced to buy

@DaveHammondDublin Ай бұрын

Need more discussion about how resale /second hand EV markets are going to function properly - as the BEV sales curve grows its only now beginning to impact public who do not ordinarily buy brand new cars - and all that we see is rapid depreciation , depleted batteries and horror stories about excessive costs in some cases where battery damage requires repair - its not misinformation it is the fact that cars are not iPhones - not everyone will be in the market for new cars and need resales - but the levels of losses on depreciation on EV is simply not sustainable for a functioning resale second hand car market ……major major problem for trying to get people to make the shift to EV imo

@gfbprojects1071 Ай бұрын

A favourite road trip game in Australia (and probably everywhere) is 'Punch Buggy'. In pre EV days if you saw a VW Beetle on the road you would scream 'punch buggy' and punch your fellow sibling sitting in the back seat. These days, the Beetle has been replaced by the Tesla. Other EV models are starting to become known as they penetrate the market. A variant of the game is called Spotto - same thing, without the punching. Its been a long time but its all finally happening.

@rk-jc9se Ай бұрын

Used to be a favorite game of my kids in the USA too

@carloon7612 Ай бұрын

Great discussion, guys. Would like to see more cars the size of bmw 2 and 3 series, Nissan leaf, vw id3. Would like to see smart #1 in Australia.

@David-bl1bt Ай бұрын

A heads-up.... If you are a UK resident & own an EV, & haven't renewed your car tax this month, it would be prudent to tax it TODAY. As of 1st April next year EV's will be taxable. It is not retrospective, so if you re-tax it today you will enjoy 12 months free of road tax rather than the remaining months of your current tax. My EV was taxed in Nov last yr, I have just taxed it online today, so we now have 12 months free tax to run instead of 8 months.😁

@roderickmain9697 Ай бұрын

Alledgedly (ie I read it somewhere) the heaviest EV (Model Y)doesnt even make the top 10 heaviest cars on the road. Friend of mine likes to (re)post every article he sees on EV fires. My riposte to him was that you dont see ICE vehicle fires because they've become so commonplace. The point being its just misinformation and I can do that too. As I see it, you are either embracing change or you are stuck in the past. (even some of us old folk are embracing it ;-) )

@keithwillis5662 Ай бұрын

I think that the Model X is the heaviest EV (I think I heard it on Fully Charged) But you are still correct about it not being anywhere near the heaviest car on the road. I’m an oldie and currently driving my 4th EV.

@williammoore9609 Ай бұрын

Can i just add that there is engineering works on the elizabeth line down to abby wood so you cannot get the line to custom house!

@Dave-mv3xy Ай бұрын

Very interesting chat

@anticat900 Ай бұрын

The UK 'Government' needs to sort out the piss take prices of EV 50kw charging, 60, 70 and 80p a kwh is just wrong and will limit EV sales in the future.