I use that spell daily on my friend

Fr lol

It’s a simple spell, but quite unbreakable

Still worse than "NIAAAAHH" by Voldemort in goblet of fire tho...😂

That is awesome

Ultra Instinct Molly.

So true ✌✌👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

Facts

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YES

Thats the thing though, all the adults can cast without words. Its the next progression especially in combat, i think by year 6 they begin learning non verbal casting. Thats y all the kids fighting are basically doing so non verbally. Using words is too slow in combat

Love is also what saved Harry from Voldemort.

​@@Diffoolwait, really? Tell us more dude, don't leave us hanging like that.

This is genius! Also the phrasing „instead it wrings all the air out of her“ sent me🤣🤣

Love this theory

The first one is possible but I believe it was patrificus totalus. I believe she then finished her off with bombarda maxima.

​@@LordFirestaffI've always thought that's what it was because it looks as if she turned to stone before she exploded.

@@marijuanaman4289 There was someone else who suggested the first one was glacious (the freezing spell) turning her to ice before finishing her off with bombarda maxima. I think this is actually correct. Patrificus totalus wouldn't explain the stone-like effects taking place.

A+ 😂

Neat

I like this a lot

If this is true, then Bellatrix being defeated this way is an even bigger middle finger to voldemort. Which makes me smile lol

❤

I think that motive may also be an explanation for the lethality of the spell. Though the concept of "ancient magic" is new to the hogwarts legacy game the concept of mysterious high magic exists as the basis for the protection Harry's mother places on him. I think in the act of defending her children Molly could have channeled some sort of divine "smite" or "retribution" type spell, a killing spell meant to destroy evil specifically.

I always thought the same thing because Avada Kedavra isn't called the murder curse. 99% of the murders in the wizarding world are by the "killing curse". It is a safe assumption.

The concept of ancient magic is not new to the hogwarts legacy. We already knew prior to hogwarts legacy that hogwarts was a font of ancient magic and that was what the founders used in its creation

That's the implication of Dumbledore's conversation with Snape. A righteous killing would not harm the soul, it's all about the motivation behind taking a life. That's also why only Snape knows whether their plan would harm his soul or not - only he knows his true motivation for going along with it.

Exactly. Killing in defence is certainly not a murder. Not legally, not linguistically, not ethically. Killing in defence is moral and legal.* This very scene is a great example of perfectly just killing and not only was it perfectly legal, it was morally right. Molly actually prevented murder(s). *Where I live (CZ, in the EU) the law clearly states that it is legal to use force up to deadly force to protect life, health and property. We have very low crime rates, so these instances are quite rare, but it sometimes happens a criminal gets shot dead in defence, then the legal system usually quickly declares this a legal action and the public opinion is pretty much all on the side of the who shot the criminal.mI remember a case when a guy tried to rob a gun store in Prague, attacked the people in it and a woman working there shot him dead. It was legally declared a necessary defence and fully legal. So killing of Bellatrix always seemed to me like something that is not just moral, but it is so moral pretty much everyone agrees it would be fine even in the real world.

I love your version about drying spell!! It makes so much sense 👏

This is exactly what I thought. It looks like she got wrung out like a rag.

Kinda like the T-1000 but Belatrix didn't git back up.

I agree! This is the exact spell combination I’ve always pictured for the movies

Yess!!

The Spell combination actually make sense

I see I am not the only one who thinks this way lol

That was great in the book, another favorite moment to me in that fight was Harry sensing what was about to happen to Bellatrix. It reiterated in a good way the connections of the Black Family and possibly Harry being "The Master of Death".

I think it's the first time she swears in the series. (I'm mainly talking about the movies because I can't remember much from books 1-4 as I had read them in the second grade. However, I went back to books 5-7 recently)

If its just murdering than why don't all the death eaters have them?

@@baileymiddleton3636 Creating a horcrux is a long, well planned out thing to do. Not something to occur simply by murder. (although murder is the first step)

If you commit murder without setting up the vessel to trap the other piece of your soul then it’s just that your soul is maimed but all of its parts are still in your body and you can die normally, you just become a person with a damaged soul

It also takes a highly skilled wizard to even make a horcrux, while many of the death eaters are very capable, none are as proficient in the dark arts as Voldemort

​@@purpaxo but harrypotter is one of those and he is not planned

Look at Bellatrix's arms. She loses mass like she's being dehydrated or dried out. The kind of spell a witch might use to dry laundry, perhaps?

That’s definitely a kind of spell Bellatrix, or any dark wizard for that matter, wouldn’t expect to be used in a fight. It caught her off guard and gave Molly an opening.

@@Stormkrow280 Absolutely. If you're a fighter, you expect to fight fighters. You don't expect to fight house wives. Especially ones that are more powerful than they let on. You also wouldn't expect chore magic if you've never done chores (wealthy).

@@Beanzoboy "Welcome students to Defence against Chore Magic." 🤣🤣🤣

Looked more to me like a petrification spell.

I think a lot of people miss how powerful she is in using magic because we don't understand at first that the level of "domestic magic" she uses is actually really difficult. she could have been an outwardly powerful witch and had a career, but she **chose** to focus on family and home.

I think her and Arthur perfectly display that people can be extremely powerful, regardless of their station in life.

@@Huebz Exactly!!!

@@tektrixter Exactly my point.

Too frequently, we as a culture overlook the difficulty and importance of domestic life. My wife is a homemaker and homeschooler, yet I would never presume to think I was smarter than her or doing a more important job than she is.

can't you jus acio literally any object or piece of rubble to you to block it?

@jansonshrock2859 I'd say no because the time it would take for you to think of the spell, think of the object you want and have it fly over to you, the killing curse would have hit you already. It's one of those things that seem like a really good idea but I think in the end it wouldn't work.

@@urbexabandoned1997 but the killing curse strictly requires the spoken incantation and acio can be cast without speaking? Even if it needs to be spoken it's fewer syllables plus Hermione simply says acio and doesn't have to say the name of the object when finding the medicine in her bag for ron's arm

@@jansonshrock2859moody says himself that they could all use the incantation and he’d get less than nosebleed. It’s the intent that matters. The incantations have always struck me as unimportant, they just channel the intent, as they’re just Latin. There are wizards in other countries like Africa. I don’t suspect they need to cast spells in Latin. I’d hazard a guess you could cast it non verbally, but Voldemort just doesn’t want to leave any room for interpretation killing Harry, he’s also barely alive when he kill frank. And there appear to be many people he kills directly who I can’t imagine he spoke the incantation, like when he kills loads of death eaters who brought him bad news

@@jansonshrock2859 I watched The Crimes of Grindalwold for the first time last night and noticed in the rally scene, one of the Aurors casts the killing curse in reflex to being attacked by a member of the crowd. There was no incantation, just a blindingly quick wand flourish, a flash of green and a dead body on the floor.

It was the intention to kill, the purpose of the kill was to protect.

i do agree with you completely, except she did mean to kill, it says so in the books. but it was a protection mechanism like you said, just a minor detail i wanted to point out.

I'd say Harry truly wanted to cause immeasurable suffering to Bellatrix in the Dept. Of Mysteries, but wasn't able to because his motivation was clouded, it was rage and grief, not cold callous nihilism. I think motivation supercedes intent with the dark arts. I think for AK to work, it's not just intent to kill, but wanting to kill for sport or to further your own goals, I don't think it could work if your only killing to protect others. As for the spell Molly used, it COULD have been Reducto in the books too, not on Bellatrix herself, but her internal organs. Molly could have been so focused in that she exploded Bellatrix heart from the inside. Or it could have been any number of generic impact spells like Stupify, hard enough impact to the chest can stop a heart. Also tons of charms used creatively, Reducio or dimminuendo to shrink the heart, a variation of Petrificus Totallus (since Totallus is probably the modifier that makes it full body, I imagine it could be more localized) to just stop the heart, same concept with Locomotor Mortis, say Petrificus Praecordia or Praecordia Mortis. Even Diffendo is an option I guess, hard to say you can slice someone's insides with it without damaging the body, but never know. My money is on a charm to stop Bellatrix's heart over a random one off Curse we see Dolohov use once, I don't think Molly would tap into dark magic so much as repurpose her normal charms, or even just pop off with extra spicy DADA combat spells.

​@@alexmarissens4016But I think they're right that that underlyinf motivation makes a difference. When Harry uses Crucio on Bellatrix, he means to cause pain, but it's coming from grief and love, not malice, so it doesn't work properly. So it would be the same if you're trying to kill but it's coming from wanting to protect

@@LudacritzTTVHarry’s crucio still hurts Bellatrix, but it’s not excruciating, just a weak version.

Yes! I've explained this before. Molly's wand acting upon her own instinct. Finally somebody else who believes this. Good explanation!

Snape showing Dumbledore his patronum is the best scene...."After all this time"? "ALWAYS"!

Yes this is by far the best scene in the films. And I've always thought this Bellatrix is trying to cast stuff and Molly is just puling a trigger, she is trying to kill with every shot.

I read of a different motive - control of Dumbledore's wand would pass to the person who kills him. By making Snape do it, the wand became his and not Draco's. That became important later.

@@ralphm6901 The elder wand doesn't pass to the one who kills it's holder, just who "defeats" or disarms, that's why it went to Draco after he disarmed him, and again when Harry disarmed Draco.

The only spell more powerful than the unforgivable ones

WadiWasi!!!

What?

@joshuagorski9452 basically able to sling small objects at high velocity. Looks to be introduced in the new mystery game

@@qrowbranwen1864 book 3 lupine used it on peeves after that pultragist stuck gum in a lock.

She just used whatever wizards use to kill livestock.

Never bring a Wand to a Gun Fight... She turned her Wand into a gun in that moment. Bellatrix wouldn't know about guns Molly does.

That was my thought as well--she used a shrinking spell on Bella's corset to force the breath out of her (and most likely surprised her because who uses a garment usage charm in combat) and then blew her up with reducto.

If you watch the scene again, though, don't look at the corset. Look at her body. Her arms, etc. Her skin visibly shrinks. Like she's *losing water* . Would a witch that does the laundry have some sort of *drying* or *dehydrating* spell? I'd say that's pretty likely. I find it more interesting if Molly used everyday chore spells to defeat *and then to kill* Bellatrix.

@@Beanzoboy Obviously she cast Blight, followed by Disintegrate. Flavored for Potterverse, of course.

@@Beanzoboy i think it is petrificus totalus followed by reducto. belatrix looks just like neville in the first movie when he gets stunned. being turned basically into a human rock and then having reducto cast would be devastating.

@@Syrekoth712 doubt that. shes visibly SHRINKING. you can see her clothes, her face, etc literally shriveling up. petrificus totalus doesnt do that

I love how many of us as a community have decided Dumbledore's shorthand is DD, not AD like his initials.

Motive does have something to do with it. But consider this: in front of Death Eaters, Snape had to use Avada Kedavra to show he was powerful and to continue to be in Voldemort's good graces. But did he have to? He's a powerful wizard. He agreed to kill Dumbledore. He's an excellent occlumens. Also consider: He had more than a tolerance for Dumbledore; I think he and Dumbledore were friends. Snape could easily and expertly do non-verbal spells. He and Dumbledore planned this death out at least a full year before it happened. Snape was loyal to Dumbledore in protecting both Draco and the rest of the Hogwarts students. I don't think Snape could quite use Avada Kedavra on Dumbledore. I think another spell was cast silently, perhaps more than one. I figure this requires the same talent required for Occlumency. Now, physics. Acceleration of gravity is 32 feet/sec^2. That means after one second, an object falls at 32 feet per second. After 2 seconds, the object now has a speed of 64 feet per second. After three seconds, 96 feet per second, and after 4 seconds, 128 feet per second. At an average speed of 64 feet per second [(Vt - Vo) /2], After 4 seconds (D = Vavg*T) , Dumbledore would have traveled 256 feet, about 16 storeys if you take a building storey at 15-16 feet. That is incompatible with life. Whatever spell Snape cast would push Dumbledore off the tower, even if he could not manage the intensity of the Killing Curse. I think Snape ultimately emerged Soul intact. In addition, it takes Harry getting past his shock to realized he was no longer bound by Dumbledore's spell on him. 4 seconds can easily pass during this kind of brain derailing. I figure Snape cast a spell to push Dumbledore over the edge. Maybe he cast a spell for Dumbledore not to feel any pain. He did not want to kill Dumbledore, after all. I would give Snape the benefit of the doubt. I feel it was a mercy killing and not murder. NB: if you tack on one more second, and 16 storeys wasn't high enough, the velocity would rise to 512 feet/sec. The fall would be 5*256 feet or 1280 feet, or 80 storeys, which I think would take care of any height at Hogwarts. Dumbledore died quickly, and Harry would not know it might not have been Avada Kedavra that killed Dumbledore.

@@ginnyjollykidd you could also consider what Bellatrix said in the ministry "never used an unforgivable curse, Potter? you have to mean it, righteous anger won't hurt me for long." (somewhat paraphrased) I think Snape actually used the killing curse, but due to the fact he didn't want to kill Dumbledore, his curse didn't have the power to kill, only to push him, and according to your calculations and the fact Dumbledore was already weakened he died from the fall (or rather the sudden stop at the bottom of the tower). also note, that putting meaning into the curse is also needed for the killing curse, which is somewhat confirmed by Barty Crouch jr. when he says "you could all point your wands at me and say the incantation, and I wouldn't get as much as a nosebleed." (again paraphrased) as it does not refer to the skill more the inexperience with unforgivable curses and the fact that none in the class would want him dead.

@@SalKhayerPWBDD or I suppose just APWBD if you don’t want to use 2 d’s for DumbleDore

⁠​⁠@@SalKhayeri thought they meant DumbleDaddy😂😂😂

He was a samurai that is better ending. The soul part is why I think it is better than just casting evada or crucioto

Neville would have done it for revenge if he killed Bellatrix. Nevilles soul would have been damaged. Honestly, the ending where Neville kills Nagini and Harry kills Voldemort is much better. As the prophecy could have refered to Neville or Harry , it just makes sense that both Neville an Harry defeat Voldemort. Neville killing Nagini, the last Horcrux and the key to killing Voldemort and Harry killing Voldemort, the main source.

@@sanajamshaid8957turns out Voldemort’s wand rebelled against him and the death curse rebounded so Voldemort killed himself !

Was mcgonigal in the order she was defiantly aware and helped it, but was she actuallyin it

@@shinobi6497 I think she was, she was mentioned as one of the “in and out guests” at dinners during the summer before Harry’s 5th year at 12 Grimmauld Place, and all the other guests were order members, not to mention only order members would have access to 12 Grimmauld Place.

Harry isn’t technically in the order but he’s one of the good guys and he uses Crucio in that scene too. So they aren’t above Unforgivable Curses in general, just Avada Kedavra it seems.

@@XIN3OHd makes scenes, good point

That's exactly what I was thinking

I had this same thought as well. Location is everything.

Doesn't he know Confringo by then, as well?

Could he use a Growth Charm on Sirius’s brain to make it burst through his head?

@@azazelinblackprobably not no

I think Diffindo, it is canon that you can learn it in your first year and Harry has mastered it in his fourth

Petrificus Totalus makes more sense imo

Whatever the curse was that froze was tinted blue or purple.

I always liked to imagine it was a lethal combination of household cleaning spells.

Reducto has a blue flame. The spell she used had an orange flame. Most likely bombarda maxima.

@@SubjectDelta20I hate this theory and I've seen it several times on this thread. Molly was part of the Order of the Pheonix, so she had more defensive spells under her belt than people are giving her credit for.

❤. I LOVE this theory. I always thought it was a household spell too. Wrung her dry. But the reducto that made her explode is the cherry on top.

This. As usual, it's people overthinking dialogue. Then again, there's always fun in doing that. Regardless, a Soul being so fragile doesn't make sense to me. If it was so easy to split, hundreds, if not thousands of magicals would've figured out how to make a Horcrux over the course of magical history. I mean, how many of them outright murdered? Especially muggles. Countless. Something as significant as your soul being damaged or split would've been well documented and known and put genuine fear into every magical... probably. Same case with the damaging part. There's no known spell in existence that can harm a Soul besides the Horcrux one which requires murder. Only the caster of that spell can harm a Soul, and it's their own, not anyone elses. And even a Dementor doesn't harm a Soul but instead just sucks it out of the body. My headcanon is that the whole damaging part is more of a symbolic thing as you basically said. HP lore is fun lol

I came to the comments to say Exactly this! How many people have had terrible trouble with guilt, for something absolutely not their fault! "If I hadn't have begged her to go to the store for that dumb reason, mom wouldn't have been killed by a drunk driver!" Some guilt so deep they never get over it. I think Dumbledore had enough faith in the good in Draco, he didn't want to tarnish his soul with guilt!

@@LegaltTO I think that there is a recipe/ritual in making a horcrux & part of the consequences is the sacrifice to your soul

Yeah I agree

As we have already established. Guilt will heal his soul rather than damaging it. Guilt and remorse is the only way to make a soul whole. Also Snape killing Dumbledore will be considered as euthanasia rather than murder. However Draco killing Dumbledore will be considered as Murder regardless of his intentions because Draco is not aware that Dumbledore is already dying.

Voldemort looks like he’s using ancient magic during the dumbledore fight in the ministry of magic

It would be poetic justice for her to die from a large heart (symbol of love).

Since her heart was probably already way too small, it would have been too much for her!

like what happened to ancient magic? the game happens bcs they want to make a game, it ends up even before fantastic beasts, and there's just no mentions of ancient magic to this day. the most badass part of that game, was the entire animated section of the 3 Brothers story, but they don't still bring up ancient magic today?

Exactly. Murder is a type of killing, not a synonym for killing.

Nah killing is killing its always against nature what the reason doesn't matter , her soul is split she is a murderer and walks the darkside now

​​​@@Ranger1812 its not actually! Murder and killing are synonyms! The word ur looking for is "homicide" The ONLY difference between killing and murder is not the Act but the Intention! Criminal homicides are murders And an officer KILLING a criminal or a person KILLING another person in SELF DEFENSE is KILLING BUT if you put Intention aside, then both of the terms are synonymous! "HOMICIDE" is the broader term ur looking for! Edit: Sorry about the lecture, NOW that i have read ur comment again! You were right! 😅😅😅 Murder is a type of killing in the sense that murder is CRIMINAL killing Sorry about my lecture buddy

Revenge?

@@Paradoxx867war? Protection? Love?

I though it was always split but it was only permanent if you put the ripped of part in a horcrux

I think she petrified her first and then used reducto

@@bwill887 my thoughts exactly bro

Ahhh! The negotiator

I'm totally in for this analysis on every book and movie! Let's hear it brothers!

Interesting idea👍

Dudrsley's wouldn't treat him any differently. But if Voldemort knew the child was a squib, though it would be difficult to know that young. He never would have gone after Harry precisely because he didn't have magic and would not be a threat. If Harry was allowed into Hogwarts at all, he would end up way better at herbology and potions, I presume, out of sheer matter of they would be the few things he could actually be able to DO. Edit: he would not be capable of summoning the knightbus precisely because you need a wand for it and he wouldn't have a wand. Though this is a wonderful story idea for the future, so thanks!

I don't know if Squibs are capable of brewing potions. Muggles for a fact aren't. Even if you go through the steps of brewing a potion you need to be magical or all you will get is a stew of whatever ingredients you used.

​@@anjafrohlich1170 According to Wizarding World (née Pottermore), Squibs can indeed not brew potions.

Yeah that also ties in with Hogwarts Legacy, a few can use it quite often but most in only extraordinary situations

Add on top that Bellatrix is frozen just beforehand (petrification? freezing?), so she effectively becomes a solid object before being hit with Reducto.

@@wolfbd5950freezing, body bind hex does exactly that it binds the body

This is the opposite for me, it's one I have thought of often mostly because the awesome movie moment and had even thought of again very recently.

Yes

In the movie, yeah. I think he could be right about the book, though

With how Bellatrix reacts to the first spell, I think of it more like a vacuum or a dehydrating spell. Something to make Bellatrix as fragile and weak as possible, as well as something that Molly would know easily by wrote due to having used it for years as a house wife. Let it never been said that using household things improperly can't have devastating consequences, and Molly would know very well what this spell was capable of. Heck, it's entirely possible that Molly, wary of the possibility of her family ever being attacked soon after the end of the war, used and practiced several seemingly innocuous spells diligently in as many ways as possible to figure out their most efficient uses in disabling opponents. After all, if they only ever see her as a dotting wife and mother, they'll never suspect the amount of danger they'll really be in.

1. Movies, not books. 2. Doesn’t look like an explosion in the sense of Bombarda, more like Reducto

Chances first 2 would be the same, but lupin would stay around.

Eh, I doubt Voldemort regretted killing Lilly. Did he give her a choice? Yes. Is it possible he didn't actually want to? Also yes. But regretting it in the end? I doubt that.

I like this explanation more than the one given. It implies that killing still causes damage to a person's soul. What makes the difference is how someone reacts to it. Splitting or damaging a soul isn't a permanent thing, and people who truly regret killing, even if they believe it was necessary, face less risk of lasting damage. The 'purity of motive' sort of explanation for why Molly's soul wasn't damaged sounds a lot like "I'm a good guy, so what I do is good by default." If a 'bad person' kills someone, it's a heinous act of violence. If a 'good person' kills someone, it's a justified act of self-defense. Definitionally. Just reads way too much like hypocrisy to me.

Reducto makes something become what me basically dust, which is what happens here. Bombarda causes an explosion, which doesn’t match what happens precisely (no need for Bombarda Maxima in this case)

Im not sure about that. Malfoy was the annoying rival but at the end of the day, he was scared and unwilling to kill. He is not evil as Volde And im sure Dumbledore could see that and wanted to protect him.

In otherwords, to split the soul, it must be more than merely killing someone, it must be Murder.

“not my daughter you _____!!”

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@@danielsantiagourtado3430 yup. my favorite line in all of the films.

@@imgabiireyes Same!

The fact authur is standing behind her wand up like, I'm ready to help but you got this