thank you dogen.

Thanks Dogen, i’ll add this to pile of reasons why my tutor hates me

weetwteqtwtwwt My pronunciation is really bad ( ＾∀＾)

This is new to me, thanks Dogen

knowing “this” is a thing in Japanese pronunciation almost made me quit Japanese learning. Really, and outstandingly difficult language.

It's very jarring and I thoroughly enjoy it.

Not knowing Japanese, i love it when he does this. Whenever i'm watching an anime and they use an English word, i say "Oops, there's no Japanese word for [something that most definitely has a Japanese word]". In these videos, however, it's most likely the subject of the video, though.

For bilingual people this is pretty normal 😄 It's formally called "code-switching".

@@broadwayzjm5257 I'm bilingual since infancy (parents speak different languages and I am perfectly fluent in both) and I tend to struggle when I try to do this, so I think it's amazing and I really admire it ,,, I get anxious about my wires getting crossed and transposing the wrong accent onto the wrong language, which has happened to me before, and I think being afraid of that happening makes me more likely to mess up. It's like I have to stop for a moment and rewire my brain and mouth behaviour to match the rest of what I'm saying, be really deliberate. I get into one language 'mode' and then the other language's sounds don't feel natural and I have to consciously switch.

yes it is hard to do that

Native English speakers do the same thing to Japanese people learning English. When words are said in sentences they aren't pronounced the same as in isolation, as in a sentence we soften sounds to add in sentence stress. Native speakers in general don't realise we do this.

this has never happened to me yet, but i was told that pronounciation was good (not just the 'jouzu' but lenghty explanations with comparisons to 'other learners', which makes me believe that they do mean at least part of it)

Well, if you get the context wrong, they can't blamed for not being able to use it to understand you.

I don't believe the accent in any language should be taken this serious, the only thing you get by doing this is putting too much attention in it instead in actually speaking...

@@PEDROGARCIA-qj3gr but for speakers who already have a passing fluency, there's nothing wrong with trying to be more understandable. It makes communication flow better, which is ultimately the goal, is it not? It's better for everyone if we don't have to put so much brain power into trying to understand what the other person is saying.

I assume it’s similar to how an English speaker knows how to say read or read based on context. They’re different. Or if you meant reed or red.

It’s the same for a lot of things in English I never think about 😅 I have these problems teaching too

@@Val.Kyrie. Yes, but all English natives (and whoever speaks English for that matter) know that read and read (past tense) are pronounced differently depending on context. Most Japanese, on the other hand, don't even realize or know that 鼻は and 花は have different pitch accent until someone like Dogen tells you - because the noun 花 and 鼻 are pronounced exactly the same. So I guess It's a lot more complicated.

For native people they already memorize and use that sentence in their whole life, so they subconsciously use the correct one and feel any other pronunciation as weird or feel off... But when you need to explain why it like that, you need to have deeper understanding/knowledge of your language... That's why sometime even a native speaker can't really explain their language that well... In simpler term native speaker rely on their instinct or memory on what sound correct, they doesn't construct the language from scratch but they just recall the speech pattern from memory...

@@Mikaela_Westmt This is interesting. As a Japanese, I wanna learn to teach Japanese. 深いですねぇ〜

My teacher does the exact same thing. I've done the same thing for others in English. アメリカ人の知らない英語

@@JackiJinx Yeah, it's when you don't know the grammatical rule, but you can _feel_ the difference.

@@SlackwareNVM I was trying to make a joke using the book 日本人の知らない日本語 but I understand what you mean

@@JackiJinx Oh, my bad, I don't know that one

@@SlackwareNVM That is okay! It's got some funny situations and nuances about teaching foreigners Japanese from a Japanese teacher's perspective

This is such an anime thing to say...and that makes me so happy.

I'm gonna have to steal this one for my own use. Truly brilliant!

@@terrancenightingale1749 It feels more cartoon than anime to me. 😅

@@starr0401 have you seen shounen or Isekai?

This phrase is such a good way to describe learning a language.

More like it flattens you in "respect".

ファット？

@@Oblithian lol

In most of the world, flour is pronounced the same as flower but there is another way to pronounce it and its more like "flar" or flaa". Apparently, this is the pronunciation that was taught in Malaysia and Singapore during the colonial times up to quite recently if its not still being taught today. In Indian English apparently pronounce it "Floor" like the floor of a house. Both probably was influenced by the French "Fleur" as flour in its current meaning is borrowed from the French, partially replacing the Anglo-Saxon word "Meal", like in "wheat meal".

@@13ganAm singaporean can confirm, pronouncing flour as flower sounds strange to me, even though my own english teacher taught it as such. Too used to hearing my parents say flar

@@13gan Uhhh... Fleur is flower, right? Also that flaar thing totally threw me off when I studied in Singapore, everyone around me convinced that my pronunciation was the wrong one. I was almost convinced I had been wrong all this time.

They had a joke that played hard on this exact homophone in an old cartoon, Dexter's Lab. Deedee was making a pie for Dexter, and when asked about ingredients mentions flour. Dexter didn't want any suspicious ingredients and accused her of using Flowers. She then brings out the bag which reads "Flour", but said bag had a simple flower drawing on it.

@@lolipedofin Yes, fleur is flower but is also used for flour at least in the past, with a few example still being used nowadays like in Fleur de farine and fleur de sel, used primarily to indicate "fine" (as opposed to "coarse") quality. Even in English, both flower and flour used to be interchangeable for both meaning until around 1830s.

Not me saying I'm in the bus

Then, after years, one of them (on the bus) became the "norm"

I ride "the" bus, I "take" the bus. Or; I "travel" by bus. Or I would say I am driving the bus... :S :P If I was wearing a bus costume for Halloween I would say to a friend whos is looking for me I'm in a bus costume. But yeah, I would be ON the second floor of a double decker bus. I hat the word bus now....

I can finally die in piece with this information

Got it! So I'll just hop in my moped and be on my way, thanks!

you will definitely notice a difference in the way you enjoy his content the more japanese you learn. theres so many easter eggs its insane. and the disconnect between subtitles and what he's saying. its amazing

@@ChronicalV been learning for a year and a half, this entire video was very understandable and quite funny! Interesting to hear the subtle differences and how even Japanese people don't really know the difference they just know it's right lol

"Sugoi ne, kimi!"

I've got a japanese friend and he always uses that trick when I ask him about particular things of the japanese language xDDD Even my teacher does it at times but she's really professional and she just researches the answer for the next class.

TIL Japanese people don't understand each other. Got it.

ah yes the "ok" card

そうですね=so u de su ne= is that so

@@randominternetguy3537 is that so = sou desu ka

日本語を勉強してる中国人です。アクセントの授業を受け、「平板型」と「尾高型」の違いがわかりました。三年間の勉強の中で、一番むずいなぁと思うのはやっぱり敬語表現ですかな。アクセントと漢字はそれほどややこしくないと個人的に思います。

Plz teach me :''v

I noticed Flower was like going from Do to So but Nose is going from Do to Mi.

It seems like the "na" sound in "flower" is a lot higher than "na" in "nose". That's really subtle...

Nobody tell the Japanese about flower and flour yes you can annunciate the w but when said quickly with no heavy intention they're pretty much the same.

i have no mouth but i must scream

@@itsCrust that was the first thing I thought of too xD

I don't understand more than a few words of Japanese, and I still find it pretty funny. Except his previous video. I really didn't get that one.

@@CristiNeagu it was about how japanese just make up verbs

@@FDE-fw1hd Yes... I got that from the title... :D

@@CristiNeagu some of them were like English Japanese like logical for the politician one or simple for the speak easier Japanese for foreigners

I stopped trying to learn Japanese and I still enjoy his comedy.

KZfaq videos? Is it okay? 0_0

@@victoriamarfina9819 If they're being treated as a substitute then yeah, most likely yeah.

I don't teach but.. Same lol don't ask me about English rules they aren't consistent just learn a bunch of words and guess 😂

If it weren't for me learning Japanese, I wouldn't know so much about my own language either. There's lots of little things that make no sense, which you only pick up when learning another language which does it differently. One example would be words with multiple meanings. Often, native speakers don't realise the multiple meanings of words when they're subtly different, but if another language uses two different words for it, you realise this. I didn't really think about the different meanings of the word "with" until learning that in Japanese you use either the particle と or the particle で depending on whether it is with a person, or with a tool.

Until recently I was convinced that all dialects of English pronounce "our" and "hour" the same. This is not the case - pronouncing "our" like "are" is pretty common, I just hadn't noticed it.

お世辞ジョーーズーーー！👏🏻

道元先生は他の一般的な学習者よりも特に音声に関してより突っ込んで勉強しているのは間違いないですが、今回の動画のような内容は道元さんが気づいたというのではなくて、おそらく日本語の音声学で言うと古くから認められている常識なんだと思います。おそらくですが、道元さんがハッと気づいて見つけたというものではなく、勉強熱心な道元さんが、専門の先生からこのようなお話を伺ったとか、または専門書を読んで学んで得たものと思われます。なぜこんなことを言うかと言うと、今回の動画のような内容の動画はyoutube上でもいろいろ検索すれば出てくるからです。私もこれまでいくつか見てきました。もちろんこのようなところまで突っ込んで勉強している外国出身の方はあまり見ないので道元さんの勉強熱心さには頭が下がりますが、少なくとも今回の件に関しては道元さんの発明・発見ではないと思われます。

@@pahoopahoo NANI ( ˙꒳˙ ;) !?

@@user-yg3hx6ls7r そうです、声音を勉強している人は大体にそれを知っています、常識です。各の単語のアクセントはわかりませんがアクセントの種類がわかります。 まあ、知ってもまだ難しすぎるんですが。 クソ日本語すまん。

Which is weird because はな and あめ aren't even remotely similar words. I'm sorry.

@@Colopty He's clearly talking about two pairs both words written like that for a total of four words

haha true

@@KaiiAyrenNevaeh Whoosh

@@KaiiAyrenNevaeh you don't say xD that was a joke.

Inducing emotional damage xD so true

Is this Sensei also in KZfaq?

What for if we have Dogen?

Thanks for the recommendation!

Did you have to buy a special dictionary where they mentioned this stuff?

@@muttlanguages3912 hmmm I recommend you install Yomichan for your PC. You can load it with lots of dictionaries. Ask me if you want a link to all my dictonaries, including ones with pitch accent info. When a word is spoken as just a single word, like Dogen shows you, you can't really tell if it's the pitch pattern that has particles attach low. So if studying a single word out of context as vocab, this dictionary info is pretty valuable.

Consider this challenge _very_ accepted, Dogen. I'm coming for ya!

Well, it's not Mr Dogen's fault Japanese is difficult.

@@victoriamarfina9819 It's not that difficult, sonna ni muzukashikunai. It's main difficulty as that it's completely different to romanic languages and we don't have anything to base us upon. You really start from 0

Not really.. this is no more than N4 level listening. And he spoke pretty slow as well compared to a real Japanese.

Wdym

Same here. Was thinking earlier today that I probably should do sports to train belly muscles, that would help with speaking I guess.

@@victoriamarfina9819 yeah you mean the thoracic diaphragm right? it helps a lot with breathing too, so understanding it is a must for people with anxiety imo edit: added the word “thoracic” because apparently there is something else also called a diaphragm…

There is no such app

most of the time it should be the word choice that sounds strange due to inexperience (just like a kid who tries to use advanced words)

I must know these websites. I hunger for knowledge.

yes i’d also love to know what websites you recommend!

Please share website

I tried to reply but somehow, always my message disappeared.

​@@nihongo-hanasoboardingpass3046 Perhaps it has something to do with posting a link? I vaguely remember coming across this problem once before. Google says it is possible, but all the search results are a little outdated.

I came to the comments to say “aaaaand then…” but you beat me to it, haha 😆

@@heppahullu Sorry about that. 🍻 Trying to master Japanese is like fighting a Hydra. (Except if you give up, the hydra doesn’t actually kill you. It’s like, “your fighting skills are so good!”)

@@Jordan-inJapan 格闘上手！

I'm from Aichi, and I'm always surprised to hear the huge shift in intonation when I enter Mie, a neighbouring prefecture. To me, the intonation sounds like other variations of Kansai Japanese, though the people from Mie insist it's not.

@@rintofujimoto I’m happy someone understands my frustration. My daughters (who were born here) are always laughing at my Japanese when I mix Mie intonation with other areas’. Next time I’ll be like, “there’s this guy from Aichi who says…” 😆 🍻

LOL! As a chinese speaker, I feel like if you're ordering from a food shop, they'll get you from the context. But this is hilarious

Tbh.. I won't really think of the second meaning unless we're in a very specific conversation about sex or something. Lol

When people ask me why I don't like learning Japanese, I show them this channel.

Agreed, the added frustration along the way only makes things more fun imo, but maybe I'm just a masochist

Did he?

@@majidesu6191 he said "chrysantheNum" around 1:20

Japanese can figure your saying if your japanese intnation is strange so no problem : )

They're both 中高型. When do they differ?

They don't, that's the thing.

@@Kyhic75 well they're the same word, so...

@@casper2047 Except they aren't. They are homonyms, which are words that sound the same, but spelled differently and have different meanings.

@@icipher6730 but they really are! they are 同訓 and the meaning is based on the word rather than the kanji. the kanji varies based on context

Love Swedish language and Sweden. Regards from Poland.

更に関西弁だと「聞く」と「菊」も発音違う でも「聞く」と「効く」は同じだから 結論文脈ですね

はい、同じです。

@私の名前はアザライ / Azraii Nama Saya Conversely, I just speak Japanese with utmost confidence to anyone who also knows Japanese despite it being awful. 100% sure some Japanese people think I type or pronounce like a dumbass but it just feels like the best way to improve.

I feel you. English was required in school, also required for work so listening, reading or typing isn't an issue. But ask me to speak it? I immediately fall apart. ;) With Japanese, it has become a hobby. More of an experiment whether an old dude (me) would be able to stop relying on subtitles. :)

@@Alians0108 that's often the key, practice it's most helpful if you can get one or two friends you consistently talk with, and that then might give you some feedback at the end

I tried to learn German and Spanish and had much more success in Spanish as I had actual people to talk to. I couldn't find anyone to practice with in German so have never really learned it.

はし is different because the pitches are different

Nah, these 2 are more distinguishable. Chopsticks are the up-down sounds, Bridge is just constant same same sound

Would you say, say, tips and ends, that would make sense

why is it ironic that you coincidentally have real life experience that similar with the topic in this video?

関西圏ではよく助詞を省略するので若干違いがある気がします 「花＼咲いてたで」と「鼻／怪我してんで」かも…?

Oh, yeah, I remember being surprised to learn that English has a specific order for adjectives. I never knew it was a rule, but I know I'd immediately spot it if it was wrong. (For more info, Tom Scott goes into it here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o7qdZNd7vtiZj4E.html)

Although the tilde is used in Spanish language newspapers my experience of social media is that people generally often the tilde and assume you know where the word is stressed ''botellon'' instead of ''botellón'' etc. My friend from Spain writes emails to me and is probably the only person I know who always uses the tilde for every word when writing in Spanish.

Please don't get too intimidated by things like this! It's honestly not that bad. Japanese pitch accent is nothing like Chinese tones - in Japanese, it's not vital to get the exact correct tone to make sure you're understood. It will improve your pronunciation and make your speech clearer, but it's certainly not a make or break thing. To give an English example, take the word contract (as in "sign a contract") and the word contract (as in "contract a virus"). The actual pronunciation of these two words is nearly identical, the only major difference is where you put the stress. If someone was speaking and used the wrong one, it would sound weird to you and you'd immediately notice the mistake, but it would be difficult for you to properly explain *why* it sounds wrong. But despite that, you would still understand what they meant. Japanese is similar, except instead of the stress determining the difference, it's the pitch that determines the difference. This is why English is considered a stress-accent language and Japanese is considered a pitch-accent language.

Get in bro, just swing it.. You just have to hear japanese speaks more, it will naturally get good

It doesn't have the same super basic rules as spanish?

@@muttlanguages3912 Yes, 'stressed' syllables are higher pitched and that's it.

God actually has a different sound, only paper and hair sound the same to me

You cannot verbally express Kanji letters unfortunately 😂

@@bizklaustdeity3115 that's why you have pitch. When you don't have pitch, you have kanji.

@@FDE-fw1hd then you'll have the problem in the video

@@Solace98 what problem

Kanji are for writing, not speaking, so they aren't anything to do with this video, and they don't help you in face-to-face conversation. But even if we were talking about reading, you get plenty of problems with kanji there. A single kanji might have a large number of readings, and although context often clarifies which reading was intended by the writer, it doesn't always.

Or 感心、関心。市立、私立。