When Formula 1 Used AEROPLANE Wings

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An F1 rear wing can produce over 500kg of downforce and help the cars corner at over 5G, but not that long ago they were nearly removed from F1 altogether.
We’re going through how we went from this to this and now to wings that look like this. Oh and also how we ended up with some of the really crazy ones.
We’re very used to rear wings in F1, but back in the early days - things were very different. During the 1950s and most of the 1960s, F1 cars didn’t have any wings.
They were very streamlined and focused on straight-line speed - so designers focused on making them great at slipstreaming.
Although they didn’t focus on downforce, engineers did have to reduce lift. Something that road car engineers have to do now - as the flat bottom, rounded top of cars can lead to them creating lift like a wing.
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@xiof1312 Жыл бұрын

Someone buy Scarbs a better webcamera please 😂

@WinGamingPT Жыл бұрын

Or internet

@paulodecarvalho8965 Жыл бұрын

@@WinGamingPT both

@bipolarminddroppings Жыл бұрын

Why? Its all part of his charm...

@groundedgaming Жыл бұрын

It's a Scarbs trademark now. If he has a better one, that's not the Scarbs in Driver69's basement.

@dieselscartalk4146 Жыл бұрын

Let's start a gofundme

@Zat_Besi Жыл бұрын

1:29 bro invented DRS that long ago

@RayanM50B25 Жыл бұрын

Manual DRS lol

@SuperGoose12 9 ай бұрын

Manual DRS 💀

@guitarsimon1 Жыл бұрын

Spitefully dobbing in your opponents because they thought of a better idea than you is a tradition in F1 that goes right back to the start.

@rhyswilliams4893 Жыл бұрын

Generally backstabbing and stealing ideas is part of the sport.

@Amx1790. Жыл бұрын

It's just mindboggling about how big the 69 wings were, they were like half the car

@deeacosta2734 Жыл бұрын

Nice

@David-lr2vi Жыл бұрын

Size did matter in 69! 😂

@Amm17ar Жыл бұрын

Nice

@sr4speed Жыл бұрын

why u use posh words to get likes on your comemtn

@ThePoohat Жыл бұрын

@@sr4speed ah yes, formula one. the working mans motorsport. no poshness here at all... you have to go to nascar for that.

@philippruest5577 Жыл бұрын

Don't forget Jum Hall's Chaparral: wing 1966, ground effect / fan 1969 / 1970.

@brdllc Жыл бұрын

Great car but the 2J wasn’t an F1 car

@pirenzo Жыл бұрын

I would love to see a video on the evolution of F1 front wings. If anything, it's even more varied than the rear wing - especially in the 70s with the March 701 tea tray, the Brabham 'Lobster Claw', and the snowplow/splitter design that Tyrrell first tried and even cropped up on some of the early Tolemans.

@jessicalacasse6205 Жыл бұрын

at this point it would be better to do one on the evolution of the fun police ...

@terrystevens5261 Жыл бұрын

It was the March 711 that had the tea tray. the BT34 Lobster claw was the first F1 car i saw win a race, the 1971 Daily Express international trophy at Silverstone. 10/6 to get in. and won by Graham Hill, his last F1 win. the race was run over two heats of mixed F1 and F5000 cars. happy days.

@JohnKickboxing 6 ай бұрын

Hey, anyone here knows the reason no F1 team uses highly elevated front wing like this one 2:05. As the front wing of F1 car these days is so fragile, even when being clipped by another competing car.

@myfavoriteviewer306 Жыл бұрын

I love these looks back through the evolution of car design. Also, #Hashtag1, #Hashtag2, #Hashtag3... did someone forget to complete the template, or am I missing something 😂

@OrbitalGirl Жыл бұрын

They're Firstname Lastname's hashtags, you must have missed the memo 😁

@martoto77 Жыл бұрын

You used to see such a wide variety of elements on cars in the 80s and 90s. Often on the same cars during a season. Like at Hockenheim the wings would be almost nothing. There purely to keep it stable at top speed and provided little significant downforce. But at Hungaroring you couldn’t even see out the back of the car for all the elements stacked up there.

@psykkomancz Жыл бұрын

Congratz on 1M! I follow your channel since it was like, 15k and aimed just at drive teaching. The growth you went through is spectacular!

@AndyFromBeaverton Жыл бұрын

Same here! He's created great content since day one.

@Schizz_Popinov Жыл бұрын

So sweet seeing a F1 car going through the Laguna Seca corkscrew especially a Lotus 79

@Hoolitank Жыл бұрын

You mentioned the Jordan of 1996 but you missed the McLaren of 1995 - theMcLaren MP4/10B

@Cloxxki Жыл бұрын

Mounting directly to suspension is so amazing. Still a great opportunity in automotive today. New series could well use it to limit aero squat at speed.

@philgiglio7922 Жыл бұрын

The Superbird & Dodge Daytona both had the wing attached to the rear axle iirc

@garchompy_1561 Жыл бұрын

I believe the first wing used on a race car was in 1927 on the Delage 15 S8(?) these wings were seated on the side of the car behind the rear suspension in certain specs, although going that far back it really does get hard to pin down when and where things are first done.

@tonyroberts7481 Жыл бұрын

Scott thanks so much for the informative videos and staying away from all of the stupid controversy click bait content that some of these F1 channels are moving to. It’s so disappointing all of the division they are trying to primate between fans and their teams.

@bipolarminddroppings Жыл бұрын

Those old 60s rear wings are hilarious.

@tonywright8294 Жыл бұрын

Why ?

@Redskies453 Жыл бұрын

1:30 My dude invented the wing and DRS at the same time!

@ThomasEPeters 11 ай бұрын

Most early wing setups were powered. They could be trimmed, and many were linked to the brake pedal to get max downforce or act as air brakes under braking. These adjustments though made them even more fragile. Jim Hall was nearly killed in Nassau driving his high winged Chaparral 2D by the actuating rod coming free- due to the twisting of the suspension mounted wing- allowing the wing to flip UP. Sports car wings were even more radical than the early F1 wings.

@wfenwick Жыл бұрын

Kilograms is a unit of mass not force learned at 15 years old (in Canada anyway). Some might understand that gravity is 9.8 n/kg and there may be a professional convention to estimate effective force expressed as mass as in lbs then convert to SI, perhaps correct physics is worthwhile explaining to the many young fans out there just learning physics.

@unofficialpolitics9553 Жыл бұрын

Wild and angry.... A great description of '80s F1 cars. Excellent video

@sohamsengupta6470 Жыл бұрын

That March is straight up the most ridiculous F1 car I've ever seen. Everything from the rear wing, to the front... Wedge thing? And that absolutely comical intake is beautiful

@87TIG Жыл бұрын

The Lotus 98T is the most beautiful machine my eyes have ever seen, that black and gold livery sets it off and Senna as a driver, it's truly a legendary machine.

@cyrilio Жыл бұрын

Congrats grata on the million subs!! totally deserved

@alunchisholm481 Жыл бұрын

1:03 that opel car doesn't have "inverted" wings, it has "regular" wings - so it's not making downforce

@sking2173 Жыл бұрын

Can a “regular-wing” fly inverted ? If so (BTW, the answer is yes), a regular-wing CAN create downforce, even though it’s not optimized to do so.

@jobvanzijl3308 Жыл бұрын

Monaco 1995: McLaren introduced the wing on the back of the body work. Not Jordan in 1996😏

@wunkskorks2623 Жыл бұрын

That Newey Leyton House with the 7up livery is my favorite looking car ever. It’s as bare minimum as it gets. So beautiful.

@ehudgavron9086 Жыл бұрын

I know I'm supposed to be critical and say "You missed this" or "You missed that" but no, that's not what I'm here for. You're an amazing resource and trove of knowledge. Q1: You talk about the Gurney Flap but... this was at least a full decade before Dan Gurney modified the stall part of the rear wing to get the more-perfect mix of downforce and drag. What was it called at that time prior to his involvement and who used it? Q2: The JPS car at Laguna Seca. What??? When did F1 run at LS? That's "the" Corkscrew unless I'm losing my mind. That's the JPS car. Please do tell. Love your commentary. Love your style. Ehud in Tucson, Arizona, US

@robertpaulson4960 Жыл бұрын

This channel is amazing at delivering facts I missed

@Spike-sk7ql Жыл бұрын

13:45 yes. I honestly think that era from the late 90s through 08 were some of the best looking F1 cars ever.

@daveking77 Жыл бұрын

Is that a very young James Allison at 09:52? 😳😁

@hegdescheco8378 Жыл бұрын

Wry informative. Thank you 😊

@Jonathan_Doe_ Жыл бұрын

The suspension arm mounted wing idea could help porpoising…

@terrystevens5261 Жыл бұрын

They were banned because they could not handle the downforce and mounting them on the uprights was good for unsprung wieght but suffered from vibration problems also causing failures.

@mezcashis Жыл бұрын

Would you ever make a video that talks about the “ideal”fastest F1 car? Like no regulations involved, look at every era of F1 and piece together the “fastest” F1 car possible? I think that’d be really interesting to see which era had the best floor vs which had the best front wing and put it all together.

@extragoogleaccount6061 Жыл бұрын

Yea, that'd be cool. Like if you put that team from Porsche's N-ring run onto making an F1 car as fast as possible.

@PolePeacock Жыл бұрын

14:31 Swear i've seen that slapped on the back of a Corsa 20 mins ago.

@Matty.Hill_87 Жыл бұрын

Wouldn't surprise me 😂😂

@briangschaefer7048 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant video! :)

@bbbenj Жыл бұрын

Very interesting, thanks 👍

@poxer1 Жыл бұрын

Great video! More!

@Catcrumbs Жыл бұрын

I want to see a video about the evolution of bargeboards. They've disappeared and re-appeared a few times since they were first introduced and I'd like to understand why.

@rhyswilliams4893 Жыл бұрын

It's all about controlling airflow down the side of the car. Taking messy tire squirt and feeding it toward to rear wing/diffuser.

@Catcrumbs Жыл бұрын

@@rhyswilliams4893 Could you put that in video form? I can't read.

@rhyswilliams4893 Жыл бұрын

@@Catcrumbs I leave it up to Scott for that.

@Totonator17 Жыл бұрын

Congratulations on 1m

@DovahKanye Жыл бұрын

First manual DRS.

@flintstone1409 Жыл бұрын

Is that a young James Allison at 9:52?

Жыл бұрын

Magical video. 😀

@JTeam45 Жыл бұрын

I love the Arrows A2

@AndyFromBeaverton Жыл бұрын

I love those all-encompassing bodywork. An actual work of art!

@terrystevens5261 Жыл бұрын

I remember they canted the DFV engine forward to create more of a venturi shape to aid ground effect. nice idea but never really worked. I saw the Arrows A2 race at Hockenheim.

@etcarief Жыл бұрын

Bro got a manual DRS 💀🗿

@brianligat2038 Жыл бұрын

I loved that gold Jordan!

@warrenholmes3311 Жыл бұрын

The Opel did NOT have an inverted aircraft airfoil. The Airfoil was cambered with the curve going upwards -- like that of an aircraft. It provided LIFT. The cumber or curvature to create downforce, is to have a 'cup-like' design where the curve was closer to the ground. Inferring that it had an inverted airfoil, is incorrect, Bernouli's Theorum should clear that up. -/// ///- ------ ----- (------- Sorry for the ASCII there. How about this? ^ where the longer distance is on the top of the surface and thew concave bottom surface 'escapes' the airstream and therefor, moves slower. Slower means a higher pressure, faster is lower pressure. Hence, it can push upwards, drastically reducing lift.

@Superstocker669 Жыл бұрын

00:58 The Opel Sand RAK programm was some really innovativ stuff that early, piloted by the bit crazy Fritz von Opel. It inspired Wernher von Braun, who later developed the V Rockets for the nazis and later the Saturn for Nasa. The Wings on the Opel Sander RAK 2 actually generated not wanted lift.

@defaultuser3410 Жыл бұрын

Seems like too many rules only end up stifling innovation and creativity.

@shrin210 6 ай бұрын

I think rules also create innovation and creativity. Every single time Engineers found loopholes in rules and implemented some crazy ideas. Eg.Venturri tunnels were removed due to safety but started using it now. From v12 to v6.

@bobbobkinz9958 Жыл бұрын

Driver69 back at it again

@danielvega6191 Жыл бұрын

Those 2007/8 cars❤!

@martoto77 Жыл бұрын

The Renault RE20 had a beautiful one piece box rear wing.

@terrystevens5261 Жыл бұрын

Renaults first turbo F1 car the RS01 driven and co designed by Jean-Pierre Jabouille. sadly Jabouille passed away yesterday aged 80. R.I.P.

@davidpistek6241 Жыл бұрын

I need to see if he does anything with pikes peak cars and the insane force required to work at altitude

@jrshgligh7833 Жыл бұрын

I wish the fia made a different f1 series with chassis and width/length/height restrictions but let the engineers go wild

@arthurbretas2003 Жыл бұрын

Should have mentioned the Renault RS10 from 1979

@Bobblenob Жыл бұрын

Question, would F1 be more exciting without the amount of downforce so that the cars corner like on rails. Should it encourage, or enable more overtaking etc.

@florianwalter704 Жыл бұрын

It would not be more exciting, only slower

@jasonrushton5991 Жыл бұрын

Good one!!

@DJBOGOSFLOFFICIAL Жыл бұрын

0:01 not just 500kg, i think it goes like 3 tons at high speeds

@jako1234567890jako Жыл бұрын

Front wing and rear wing are about a 500kg each, the underbody is over a tonne

@lovrospacal245 Жыл бұрын

3:43 👀

@Tehn00bA Жыл бұрын

8:10 this was so much "fuck you and your rules" by Ferrari it was straight up disrespectful

@groundedgaming Жыл бұрын

I thought I saw a helicopter in the thumbnail💀 Edit, they changed it. It used to be a yellow/orange machine with 2 high mounted wings.

@tirebiter1680 Жыл бұрын

Back in the 1960's, Jim Hall built the Chapparal Chevrolet and proved that an upside down wing that pushed down a car, was just the thing you needed to increase the speed you could go around curves. Soon all the other race cars copied him.

@AugmentedGravity Жыл бұрын

Mid 2000's are still my definite favourite. Like, the west McLaren's, F2004 and R25... absolute works of engineering art. And of course... THE NOISE!!!!!

@gumpy4960 9 ай бұрын

Innovative idea, ban, sums up f1

@brianhiles8164 Жыл бұрын

(01:00) About that attached aero-wing which inspired Swiss engineer Michael May to mount an inverted wing to create downforce -- Does everyone see that the first wing is creating _up-force..._ ? _So close and yet so far._

@Derpman_99 Жыл бұрын

"Having fun with a fin"

@jossentjens7154 Жыл бұрын

Ok, thanks, appreciated. But, @driver61 & @ScarbsTech, when and how did the diffuser come about, because that impact the downforce as well, doesn't it?

@asapbizzle5470 Жыл бұрын

Wtf I dont remember the Toleman-Hart having a double wing.. baffled.

@terrystevens5261 Жыл бұрын

It ran with and without it.

@emperorsniper2806 Жыл бұрын

9:39 me too

@AceBlake Жыл бұрын

Not to brag... But I've sat in that Senna Toleman 😊

@terrystevens5261 Жыл бұрын

Many did at the Goodwood festival of speed.

@rickden8362 Жыл бұрын

Wake up call: Jim Hall was running high wings on his Chaparral sports cars in 1967. And the wing struts were attach to the suspension uprights...and his didn't fail. F1 playing catchup and Scottie boi acting like they're the front of the pack.

@lovrospacal245 Жыл бұрын

12:09 didn't mclaren run a similar wing?

@alexandersmith7777 Жыл бұрын

yes they did

@lovrospacal245 Жыл бұрын

@@alexandersmith7777 thanks.

@Margarinetaylorgrease Жыл бұрын

This is the first F1 wing documentary on KZfaq that I don't need to mention the Opel rocket car.

@Louis-qi1gz Жыл бұрын

The A-10 thunder bolt AKA wort hog looks a bit Silly but it will Rock your world 🌎 🇺🇲 🙏✔️

@bucketslash11 Жыл бұрын

my favorite era of the F1 wing has to be the 1984 season triple wings to claw back downforce lost when groundeffect was banned and the 2000s low and wide rear wing

@jish8080 Жыл бұрын

2021#Redbull @monza Honda wings✌️🔥

@Bluth53 Жыл бұрын

What happened with Ricky and last years F1 competition?

@Make_Boxing_Great_Again Жыл бұрын

You would think that an upside down aircraft wing would be the most efficient.

@autofrost3255 Жыл бұрын

What about the AMR2022 wasn't that a good wing too?🤔😂🚜

@alexshank1414 Жыл бұрын

Mclaren did the engine cover wing before Jordan by a year. MP4-10B?C’mon, Driver61.

@BPBomber Жыл бұрын

Driver69!!!

@ReyG316 Жыл бұрын

Is that James Allison @ 9:52 ?

@ridcom Жыл бұрын

Hello there! I hope everyone is having a good day!

@andysimpson8974 Жыл бұрын

I'm sure McLaren ran a mini wing on the engine cover in 95?

@luckyrockz2852 Жыл бұрын

Congo for a million

@adenkyramud5005 Жыл бұрын

I love that boomerang design. So weird.

@brendonfleetwood6069 Жыл бұрын

The wing battle of F1 is mad!!!! Tell me more!!!!

@mysQlx3 6 ай бұрын

man i love ferrari! they are like:"hmm, what is better than one wing? yea two wings xDD and i really never saw a f1 car with 2 rear wings like that.

@AugmentedGravity Жыл бұрын

Fuckin active aero in 1956

@janpruijser8649 Жыл бұрын

I always knew the Tyrell X wing as Tyrell Towers! Might’ve been a Dutch thing?!

@terrystevens5261 Жыл бұрын

Tyrrell was always trying new things. Anhedral front wings creating a better low pressure area under the car. running front wheels at the rear to lessen drag. six wheeler and much more.

@amjan Жыл бұрын

WHY on earth do you talk about Jordan's 1996 winglet as if McLaren's 1995 winglet didn't exist?!? They came up with it!!

@hubertseidl93 Жыл бұрын

Mentioning the brabham fan car would've been nice.

@terrystevens5261 Жыл бұрын

Why, it's not related to wing downforce.

@hubertseidl93 Жыл бұрын

@@terrystevens5261 much like ground effect downforce. And a Fan is just some spinning wings

@jamesdellaneve9005 Жыл бұрын

F1 regulations make the cars very expensive. This reminds me of the America’s cup monohulls. They cost tens of millions of dollars when a cheap catamaran could beat them. Fan cars could easily produce drastically more downforce including at corner slower speeds.

@ryanwaege7251 Жыл бұрын

80's F1: C*caine is a hell of a drug.

@markpatterson4917 Жыл бұрын

Look like you need a bigger video. you last mentions were so intriguing.

@glynluff2595 Жыл бұрын

An interesting video on a specific but you forgot the cooling fan! However, it is interesting to contemplate the effect of body shape on sports racing cars and the difficulties down force created there. While the wild and woolly entertainments of my lifetime caused great interest in their period current F1 is fairly devoid of interest as aerodynamics is of far more interest on an aircraft wing and F1 is only an adaptation. What is most interesting for those of us who grew up with the post war sport was engine, chassis, suspension, brakes and driver ability in machines that became safer. It lost a great deal when drivers could use their cars as tanks to drive into each other and that is why it has lost much support from developed motoring community. It is now as the late Sir Stirling Moss-declared ‘An event not a sport’ which for those of us who grew up with hero’s rather than businessmen is a great disappointment!

@Mike-Bell Жыл бұрын

No credit given to @Animagraffs for using their amazing footage 🤨

@UncleRJ Жыл бұрын

They should start naming these as gniws because they're essentially reverse wings.

@roberthill2219 Жыл бұрын

Jim Hall.

@andreyvostronosov6122 Жыл бұрын

3:42 - sign "EBANO", means "fucked" in russian, LOL!

@chriscosby6612 Жыл бұрын

I recommended brilliant.org to my wife's school, Coral Academy of Science and Engineering in Las Vegas Nelis Airforcebase

@TrevorDennis100 Жыл бұрын

It's amazing to think that when Tyrrell raced their X-wing car in 1997, it was already 20 years since the original Star Wars movie was released. Watching the constant design, build, get banned, and try something else cycle goes a long way to understanding why Formula 1 is such an expensive sport to participate in. I'd like to think that some of the tech that was born out of F1 made it into everyday devices, much like Teflon is thought to have come from the Apollo moon program. In actual fact, Teflon dates back to 1938. Google tells me that carbon fiber might be a good fit, but I don't know if that is fact or urban myth.

@terrystevens5261 Жыл бұрын

McLaren were the first to build a Carbon Fibre tub for F1 with the MP4.

@phlave 11 ай бұрын

It's kind of a shame that the FIA is so determined to set such rigid rules. It would be much more interesting to let engineers come up with clever ideas without banning them the instant they do. Now we have races with cars that at a first glance only differ in livery color, even though they have different shapes of sidepods and such. It stifles innovation and makes it so that if one team gets a winning formula early on, they basically win the championship by default. Unless they are Ferrari and just spin out at every race.