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When the scapegoat has to deny their own gifts

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Jay Reid - Recovery from Bad Childhoods

Jay Reid - Recovery from Bad Childhoods

Күн бұрын

The scapegoat child deny their own gifts, and may learn to celebrate others' gifts instead of their own. Both strategies protect the child.
As an adult, a scapegoat survivor may unconsciously continue to deny their gifts by finding relationships with people like their narcissistic parent.
Today, let's discuss how survivors can recover their gifts in safe relationships.
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@ellenkeehan
@ellenkeehan Жыл бұрын
I am a musician and my mother always told me to be quiet and go in the basement to play guitar. I moved away 10 years ago and found a friend who supported me and my music and now I play publicly and just released my third project! 🎉 we do heal
@Thysta
@Thysta Жыл бұрын
Much love! I make music too F them.
@kyezustiak
@kyezustiak Жыл бұрын
My Grandma (who raised me) sold her piano when I started taking lessons in high school. I had mentioned how long I wanted to practice and I couldn't wait to learn. My boyfriend is a musician and kindly let me borrow his keyboard. It's been over 10 years, but I'm so excited to start this journey again So glad you got your support too!
@forvis3000
@forvis3000 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations 🎉
@beingmadewell
@beingmadewell 7 ай бұрын
Wonderful, keep healing. God Bless ❤
@a.b.2850
@a.b.2850 7 ай бұрын
I like that!! That’s very awesome 😎 Good for you 👏🏻 I’m no musician, and by far lol, but this is the perfect metaphor for me 👌🏻 I will remember you, your story, as an inspiration when I lose myself. Thank you,
@saturdayschild8535
@saturdayschild8535 Жыл бұрын
I won a beauty pageant in high school. My talent was singing and I opted to model as a professional woman instead of the swimsuit since we had the option. After being crowned and leaving with my family, we were approached by one of the three judges. The woman congratulated me and said she was happy to see someone my complexion get recognized for my gifts and abilities. She was speaking directly to the colorism in my community. I was the darkest of the contestants. My mother had already been complaining that I sounded just like the artist whose song I chose - like that was an insult. 🤷🏽‍♀️ The judge gave her something new to complain about. My ex husband would always beam from ear to ear whenever he accompanied me when I performed. But, when the people were no longer around to watch him, he was constantly giving me tips and advice on how to be better. He was sad I didn’t aim for the higher note, or do all the rifts he heard in the shower, or behave like him when he performed. I stopped performing around him just so I wouldn’t have to hear his version of help. My mom couldn’t get me to stop performing. I knew one day I’d leave her house (notice I didn’t say home). But I thought marriage was forever and kept truncating pieces of my self just to exist in it. Not to be happy, just to exist. This is what narcissistic upbringings do to us. I’m reclaiming my time and my gifts.
@ritahemmerly4224
@ritahemmerly4224 Жыл бұрын
Till death do us part is a trap, when I asked myself how many pieces of myself had to die before it was enough that is the day I started finding my way out.
@ASMRyouVEGANyet
@ASMRyouVEGANyet Жыл бұрын
I understand this in relation to the singing part. My dad wanted me to be a singer but always picked apart my vocal style. He wanted me to be a pop singer even though I don't listen to that style of music. Well, I'm back to singing and I've found my style and he knows nothing about it. Never tell them what you have going for you. They'll find a way to ruin it.
@elliewegman1846
@elliewegman1846 Жыл бұрын
​@@ritahemmerly4224it was the fact I'd taken a vow..
@Not-the-usual-BS
@Not-the-usual-BS 11 ай бұрын
Me too girl! What was taken from me I can’t get back ..,😢😢😢but I’m determined to make a life for myself
@Joelswinger34
@Joelswinger34 Жыл бұрын
So true. And then we have trouble believing in our abilities because they somehow don't count, even if they are obvious to others.
@Adam444Tv
@Adam444Tv Жыл бұрын
I’m at about right here… how are you breaking thru?
@CS-rb4qi
@CS-rb4qi Жыл бұрын
“The narcissistic parent’s envy, withholding and vindictiveness is seen as a pit stop on the way to something much better”. Hurts to hear, but succinct and true. 😢
@taraarrington2285
@taraarrington2285 Жыл бұрын
❤️
@juneelle370
@juneelle370 Жыл бұрын
Yes 💜 “hope is the dope”! False hope is infinitely worse than seeing the reality~seeing reality, we can actually deal with it and act accordingly/get away! “Hope deferred makes the heart sick”…. and false hope is always deferred… the carrot dangled but never eaten, only chased
@taraarrington2285
@taraarrington2285 Жыл бұрын
@@juneelle370 yes. This is so true acceptance of yourself and acceptance that they're false narrative and perception of you was never truly who you are. Keeping the hope that these people will see you for who they are for who you are and who they are is very painful. They will never see you for who you are and they will never do the inner work or admit that they have faults or that they're in perfect and they could be wrong about their perception of you ❤️
@juneelle370
@juneelle370 Жыл бұрын
@@taraarrington2285 💯
@michignamymichigan
@michignamymichigan Жыл бұрын
​@@taraarrington2285 So true.
@dawnkikong637
@dawnkikong637 Жыл бұрын
"The parent does not have a chamber inside them full of love that the child can unlock. If they did, the child would have already received it. But this can only be understood and known with enough distance from the parent."
@dawnkikong637
@dawnkikong637 Жыл бұрын
Jeez, and I was still trying this with my dad because I followed the New Age thing about giving them the love they couldn't give you. Screw that. From now on I am only giving my love, time and attention to those who reciprocate, blood or not.
@juneelle370
@juneelle370 Жыл бұрын
@@dawnkikong637 after religion, I went down the New Age path too… you’re totally right ❤️
@ASMRyouVEGANyet
@ASMRyouVEGANyet Жыл бұрын
​@@juneelle370 new age (refers to age of aquarius, nothing new) Definitely has it's downfalls. I worked in that community and there are some of the biggest narcissists in all that stuff. Crazy world!
@juneelle370
@juneelle370 Жыл бұрын
@@ASMRyouVEGANyet it is! the hierarchical ego system is in every religious form! … I’m spiritual not religious now, though I still like to study and see what resonates… people can’t stand Mystery so they like to act like they know all the answers and none of us do 🌀 went deep down the New Age rabbit hole all the way to the jungle in Peru where ironically God freed me from the grand search saying to me Creator is Love & Mystery… I feel like connection w Creator is natural, something even the animals connect to… not needing toxic filters to connect direct… it’s funny how each religion has a different flavor of toxic and some good too! … and different forms of blame/shame/false responsibility… it’s gonna be a trip to find out after death because I really wanna know 😊 but not til my natural time… Creator told me in the jungle too that when it’s the natural time, death is an expression of perfect health 🌼
@TheLordsbattleaxe
@TheLordsbattleaxe 10 ай бұрын
That too caught my attention.
@mtc-j9i
@mtc-j9i Жыл бұрын
“Moving away from people who mistreat you can feel like shirking your responsibility.” Woooooo 😮‍💨😢 I’m going to have to rewatch this video many many times.
@fancynancylucille
@fancynancylucille Жыл бұрын
Finding another person to keep you from sharing your gifts!? Oh, I did! It’s the horror of my existence that I let myself get over-powered emotionally by a man who did everything he could to prevent me from realizing my dreams. Barefoot and pregnant in an isolated place with no car. Just alone with my kids while he went out of state to work. Such a nightmare. I missed out on so much. All I can do now is grieve and try to get a little of what I could have had. But I am no longer young.
@benguensche
@benguensche 3 ай бұрын
unfortunately, your children are probably absorbing your existential angst
@dawnkikong637
@dawnkikong637 Жыл бұрын
This makes me so sad and angry. I feel it in my gut. Anytime I had anything good it was either negative comments, planting seeds of doubt, or a lack of any comment at all. How can someone do this to their own kid? I want my son to have a full and happy life. Heartbroken and furious!
@juneelle370
@juneelle370 Жыл бұрын
❤️!
@koolbeans8292
@koolbeans8292 Жыл бұрын
I graduated from chiropractic college at age forty and the folks had the money and the time to attend but didn’t. Neither my older brother or two sisters stepped foot into my office. So after 25 years of practice I get an email from mom stating how arrogant I had become since I got that piece of paper, “my degree.”How much better I think I am than the rest of the kids! I didn’t really know that I was the scapegoat until age 59. I’m 66 now with no contact with those aging selfish narcissistic people.
@kristinloucks2084
@kristinloucks2084 Жыл бұрын
KEEP GOING. YOU GOT THIS.
@TheLordsbattleaxe
@TheLordsbattleaxe 10 ай бұрын
Good
@amberleespencerb.sc.psycho1701
@amberleespencerb.sc.psycho1701 9 ай бұрын
And look how you became such a beautiful, brave and strong healer and integral member to your community. So much love to you
@crookedfingersgirl7356
@crookedfingersgirl7356 6 ай бұрын
I'm proud of You! URGH I felt her words... I had zero clue how many identical parents we have in common. Did you also get " y'think yer batter thun avrybaddy alse" (there's a cruel CADENCE when she broke out her catch phrases)... I remember the burning horror of being a little child and trying to both stick up for myself but also provide the answer "juss whoo in the HELL d'you thank yew arrrr".... Repetitively... It's awesome you became a healer and I wish you the best in your vocations!!! You worked hard for that ACHIEVEMENT!!! You deserve to feel GREAT about it .. (and: PROUD- a word I'm not able to apply to myself but I'm working towards it)!
@crookedfingersgirl7356
@crookedfingersgirl7356 6 ай бұрын
P.S.... it took her 25 YEARS ... My goodness - I can fathom the pain hearing such silent seething jealousy finally exposed (they always expose themselves)... That was mean.
@anniethompson1041
@anniethompson1041 Жыл бұрын
To this day my narc mother projects my gifts onto her golden child or another sibling. Even literally the gifts I give her she attributes to another sibling.
@munequa81
@munequa81 5 ай бұрын
Yep, my mother doesn't even acknowledge anything I gave her. I stopped and saved my money instead.
@freedomwarrior5087
@freedomwarrior5087 Жыл бұрын
One thing I always remember is coming home so excited that I had made the cheer leading squad. The only thing I heard from my mother was I tried out for cheer leading and didn't make it and I even liked basketball. Apparently I didn't deserve it. She never once came to see me and looked at me with disdain every time I wore my outfit for a game. Of course this is just one story of many.
@warrenbradford2597
@warrenbradford2597 Жыл бұрын
So, to realize what I am good at, I have to find a safe place to discover. I already told my narcissistic mother that I am a fast learner, so I will at least the other talents I have a secret. I do not want to give any information that will be used against me. The less information I give to narcissists, the better.
@hollowman1
@hollowman1 Жыл бұрын
Yep, sad but true. This amazing video has put into words what I have long suspected but have never acknowledged because of how I 'know it would sound' to, ironically, my family. I've been hiding/burying my gifts for 50 years. I, as a songwriter have said (to myself ) countless time, I could pen the best song ever written and my family would hate it.
@juneelle370
@juneelle370 Жыл бұрын
@@hollowman1 never show them! never even tell them you’re working towards anything at all! It’s like showing beautiful eggs of creativity in your palms~they will smash them! No matter how beautiful their potential! Protect your creative eggs and the beauty that is hatched 🎼🎶🎹💜 you deserve it! I’m letting myself savor sweet secrets now… no more showing creative endeavors to people in creepy, destructive ego
@drebugsita
@drebugsita Жыл бұрын
Yup! That is key! Can be tricky and filtering what is safe to share
@diatribe5
@diatribe5 Жыл бұрын
This is part of the reason that once I ran away, I never stayed in contact with any of my other relatives, even the good ones, because my parents were the types to butt in and insert themselves into anything I had to do with the others.
@SusanaXpeace2u
@SusanaXpeace2u Жыл бұрын
The very first time I challenged my parents instead of reflecting back their rosy view of themselves, I was written out of the family, but yet always blamed for destroying the family.
@hollowman1
@hollowman1 Жыл бұрын
I was about 43 yo the first time I challenged my mothers self-styled saintliness. She instantly turned 'demonic'; her face contorted and twisted with rage. It was shocking. My older brother with whom I am always at odds, witnessed it and gave me a look that said 'Holy sh*t! What was that?' It was actually a scary.
@lovesings2us
@lovesings2us Жыл бұрын
@@hollowman1 Good for you for challenging her! I think you are brave.
@TheDruzza
@TheDruzza Жыл бұрын
@@hollowman1 i did the same thing!! Confronted my mother about her dishonest behaviour and the demonic look she gave me sent shivers down my spine 🥶. She completely deflected what i was saying and accused me of speaking to her rudely and disrespectfully. It was one of the most frightening experiences of my life!
@mgmail7279
@mgmail7279 Жыл бұрын
Same. We never deserved it and never did anything wrong. Speaking the truth is not wrong.
@ASMRyouVEGANyet
@ASMRyouVEGANyet Жыл бұрын
Sounds like they did the hard part for you. Bye, yall! 😂
@ginaiosef
@ginaiosef Жыл бұрын
It's unbelievable that a parent may be envious with his/her child. Is so sick, many people should not be allowed to have children.... Thank you for this video, too!
@TheLordsbattleaxe
@TheLordsbattleaxe 10 ай бұрын
Agreed.
@tiptopdadddy
@tiptopdadddy Жыл бұрын
One aspect you touched on briefly was the narcissists “punishment“ for any success, talent or competency. It was never enough to deny my positive achievements but my family system revolved around me being put into precarious situations where I was too young or lacked any kind of guidance. Those failures or predetermined judgments were then used as rage fuel to keep me in my place. In my healing the biggest heartbreak come to expect is the role of the enabler parent who stood by, never interceded and would gaslight after the fact. Second to that was being denied a healthy, close relationship with my siblings.
@taraarrington2285
@taraarrington2285 Жыл бұрын
❤️
@juneelle370
@juneelle370 Жыл бұрын
💜 yes… you end up not having any family because of the enabling parent and the sibling(s) who throw you well under the bus to save themselves. Turning to the less bad parent (enabler) for support, you are shown a crazy fun house style mirror… distorting/denying reality that is plain as day. Good news is seeing clearly is such a great start. I’m out of the thick fog! Understanding in itself what what went on/goes on with these broken mentalities and ALSO how it affects us, the scapegoats, is so liberating. Watching Jay’s videos is experiencing healthy mirroring validation. It’s so wild how these abuses are so predictable… we experience them all a little differently but gees, it’s all the same stuff. Deception due to hierarchy/egoic thinking.
@soniahathaway1
@soniahathaway1 Жыл бұрын
@@juneelle370 Absolutely my experience. Much better off with them. EVERY single tome I have reconnected with them, it is so dangerous! 😢❤
@sparkle1949
@sparkle1949 27 күн бұрын
They punish you even when u have a really good day. They get jealous and angry. Demons they are
@therealdeal3672
@therealdeal3672 Жыл бұрын
This video prompted me to ask myself, "if nothing I ever did was good enough, where would I find the motivation to excel or trust that I could?"
@neptunesdreams
@neptunesdreams Жыл бұрын
What you said that hit me with a ton of bricks was that the scapegoat child is only appreciated for celebrating OTHERS' gifts, not their own. This point is VERY DEEP. Please make more videos about this point. Thank you.
@drebugsita
@drebugsita Жыл бұрын
SAME! I’ve never heard that before but I recently said that about myself in therapy, wondering why. I naturally celebrate others with all of my being (not that I am immune to an occasional bout of jealousy) but when it comes to myself I feel extremely on edge and guilty, undeserving. Add to that experiences with mean girls going so far as to cyber bully me
@TheLordsbattleaxe
@TheLordsbattleaxe 10 ай бұрын
I agree it is very deep.
@TheLordsbattleaxe
@TheLordsbattleaxe 10 ай бұрын
@@drebugsita sorry that happened to you.
@soliel8999
@soliel8999 Жыл бұрын
I just realized I have always been offering myself up for others criticism even to the point of blaming myself when I was sexually assaulted. I'm so angry to realize this has been a major part of my life. I feel like I've never been allowed to celebrate my accomplishments. Or when I do share something, I always have to downplay it in some way, so they (my family) knows I'm not trying to be too big for my britches.
@beverlyballard3845
@beverlyballard3845 Жыл бұрын
Got in top ten at school Beauty Contest, on way home I got back, " I can't believe they picked you with all them pretty girls up there; they felt sorry for you!" as my Daddy never attended my stuff. Won Homecoming Queen, to get back, "What did you do to get that; you did something!" Daddy absent, neither EVER mentioned by him or anyone, just Mommie Dearest assuring I'd NOT FEEL the moment! Thank you Jay! You are so appreciated! PEACE to you!
@KathyJacksonSanDiegoRealEstate
@KathyJacksonSanDiegoRealEstate Жыл бұрын
Jealousy. Sorry you had to go through that
@juneelle370
@juneelle370 Жыл бұрын
😭 that is so awful! Let those beautiful moments shine in your heart now and always! ❤ they try to ruin anything wonderful because of ego/jealousy/envy. We’ve got to dismiss lies and liars and cleave to the sweet clarity of truth!
@kristinloucks2084
@kristinloucks2084 Жыл бұрын
Wow! I can relate! JSYK you're beautiful inside and out... Never forget that.
@stanleydrive740
@stanleydrive740 Жыл бұрын
I am an artist. My narc mom destroyed my art in angry rages. When I got to college art classes, I had to fight past a paralyzing fear, just to get my homework done. 😓
@rm-pm1bp
@rm-pm1bp Жыл бұрын
Thank you Jay, so spot on, twisted yet exactly how it was. As a child I was taught that people who prioritized their own emotional well-being or pursued their interests were "selfish." I was always fascinated by people who I sensed were independent and fulfilled, but whom my mother disparaged as being "immature" and "out for number 1." In reality, the plan was to keep us kids close, dependent and attentive forever. The more distance I gain the more those experiences growing up resemble a cult. So happy, calm and excited about life these days. Opposite of how I used to feel.
@TheLordsbattleaxe
@TheLordsbattleaxe 10 ай бұрын
Happy for you.
@cjgeminitarot6836
@cjgeminitarot6836 Жыл бұрын
I was the family scapegoat to a mother who I wouldn’t describe as a narcissist, but who was addicted to drugs and alcohol. I think addiction has a good degree of narcissism baked into the cake, though. It took me to age 27 to move far away from my family, more than 2,000 miles away. At 35, I’m still harboring fantasies of a loving mother, even though i know intellectually it will and has never existed. I found the most potent healing through Adult Children of Alcoholics. It’s a wonderful program that costs $0, if you’re lucky enough to live near a meeting.
@fredhubbard7210
@fredhubbard7210 Жыл бұрын
If your mother is still around, I have a Mother's Day card that I was unable to use. It goes something like this on the cover: Happy mothers' Day... We may have had our differences... And on the inside: But I turned out GREAT! Thanks. I'm 65, and still fantasize about a good enough mother. I don't think it will go away, and that is your idealism. Make friends with it.
@juneelle370
@juneelle370 Жыл бұрын
@@fredhubbard7210 😂 hilarious! shopping for cards for these people has always been hard! Just couldn’t make myself give “you’ve always been there for me” cards… always had to go with the blanks I could at least write in I love you but without the lies. For me, the more I listen to his videos and others, I’m letting go of the toxic hope “hope is the dope” as they say… false hope hurts so bad and makes you do so many things that are against your own healthy self interests! I do accept that it was so sweet… and so harmful to me… to keep after that love that wasn’t even there. I do treasure my sweet heart. Now out of the fog of complete confusion of how all this could be, I’m free to seek elsewhere and recognize where it is and… where it definitely isn’t! ❤️ trying to get blood from a stone (trying to get love where there is none), you only end up with your own blood all over it.
@juneelle370
@juneelle370 Жыл бұрын
yes, much better said that these are damaged people who have patterns of relations that are very harmful to others… parents that were needed but we’re too messed up to be there in constructive ways for their children 🌼
@mistakenmillenial6834
@mistakenmillenial6834 Жыл бұрын
Yes to all of this. I’m so angry, time for change😡
@soliel8999
@soliel8999 Жыл бұрын
I have hidden my light under a bushel because my family attacks me when I shine. Not any more. I'm done. Goodbye to caring or trying to make sure they feel good at my expense.
@soliel8999
@soliel8999 Жыл бұрын
Oh my lands! This is so relevant to me! In my family, I am one of 9 siblings. I have had to practically worship my brothers and sisters for their accomplishments. I ended up marrying a narcissist who abandoned me when I was pregnant with our 6th child. I was devastated, but after about 8 years was able to pick myself up and literally move to central Europe with all 6 of my kids where I studied political science. I made the mistake of (literally one time) saying how proud I was of myself and my kids for having accomplished so much in our 3 years living in Europe. Wow! How the fire fell from heaven!! They lashed out at me so hard and so drastically I am still trying to get over it 3 years later. This is because it hurt so much, (I thought they would be glad for us having overcome the abandonment so well) but also because part of how they lashed out was to try and kick me out of my inheritance while we were overseas. One of my sisters literally started physically shaking in rage and envy because I took my 16 year old to Venice for her birthday as a "poor, single mom" It wasn't fair she said, because she had always wanted to go herself. (She's married to a rich guy and is financially able to go to Venice at any time) But me going just didn't fit the narrative.
@juneelle370
@juneelle370 Жыл бұрын
💖 it’s incredible and wonderful to do what you have done! Enjoy!
@hypatia4754
@hypatia4754 Жыл бұрын
Their pathological envy and hatred if you move out of the scapegoat role is horrendous
@kristikola777
@kristikola777 Жыл бұрын
It really would seem that some children are conditioned to be entitled while others are conditioned to be abused for life... I don't find a lot of in-between.
@kobra4422
@kobra4422 Жыл бұрын
And the kids who are abused get bullied by the entitled kids who never heard "no" in their entire life. Empathetic children need to be taught boundaries to not be walked over by the entitled kids.
@Seliz463
@Seliz463 Жыл бұрын
There is a healthy third option of people who are taught to maintain and develop their empathy while simultaneously knowing how to stand firmly against injustice. This is what I learned, as an adult, through the Catholic Church. Every day I see so many beautiful families that operate like this, and I’m grateful that I can raise my own children with these tools. There’s a transcendent level beyond the “bully or be bullied” mindset
@TheLordsbattleaxe
@TheLordsbattleaxe 10 ай бұрын
I agree.
@johntim3491
@johntim3491 Жыл бұрын
Jay, I've watched many specialists in this field for many years and you have a very succinct & compelling manner of describing the experience of people in relationships with narcissists. I think it is because you avoid the normal inflammatory finger pointing & decribe the subtle everyday experiences so well - together with the underlying subconscious patterns that help us understand our lives at a granular level.
@vanessaroediger4829
@vanessaroediger4829 Жыл бұрын
Hi John, I agree with your opinion. The content of this channel revolves around what we can do to have better relationships, feel better about ourselves, be more realistic about others and evaluate their actions, when necessary, from a middle ground-perspective, among many other things. The finger pointing-explanation are only “helpful” in the phase of trying to figure out what is really going on behind the fog of abuse. It becomes redundant and no longer necessary at one point, because otherwise you revolve in a place of stagnation that also mainly focuses on the other person. The exact thing you want to get away from actually, so you can revert the focus on the self, in order to evolve.
@drebugsita
@drebugsita Жыл бұрын
Yes, I’ve binged SO many related videos but this channel’s have felt like a breath of fresh air. Really speaks to being a scapegoat like no other. So grateful
@GoodBodyJay
@GoodBodyJay 9 ай бұрын
I just said the same thing. All of that finger pointing makes me feel icky bc I don’t necessarily need to make anyone a villain. But his videos are straightforward and direct and really speaks to the experience without getting me all riled up.
@pennyyeomans4115
@pennyyeomans4115 Жыл бұрын
I was the family scapegoat and most likely I still am. I no longer associate with anyone but periodically I get an email from my mother. In the last one she stated she was lonely and had thought about me all last night. I told her I was not lonely and there was nothing I could do about her loneliness. I suggested she have a conversation with God about it, not me. I also suggested she watch Joyce Meyer because even though I am not a Christian she gave me very good advice that turned my life around. I told her all healthy relationships are built on respect and until she is ready to grow there is nothing for us. I told her I had changed and the way our relationship was was unhealthy. I learned energy healing to help me heal and I am now starting to share how I did it with others. They are who they are and I have no ill feelings for them. I am on the path to a better life. Thanks Mom for making me who I am. (That is not sarcasm).
@girlbythebeach
@girlbythebeach Жыл бұрын
I swear, every time I watch one of these videos for the first time, I have a “hey, I’m dealing with that right now” moment. Every video is a revelation, and I am continually comforted by them. I am slowly getting my self worth back, investing in myself, and recognising that I don’t bear the responsibility of other’s emotional well being. It’s hard sometimes because it’s easy to slip into old habits. These videos really help. Thank you so much ❤
@christar9527
@christar9527 Жыл бұрын
Good for you! Myself, I plan on ending it all. I can’t take the world anymore.
@elliewegman1846
@elliewegman1846 Жыл бұрын
​@@christar9527hi I'm Linda, and I am an old Gran from NZ. How come you dived right into my heart? It's because I know beyond doubt, when you get to this stage, that you have been through the eye of the needle, and you must discover the wonderful gifts that this has bestowed you. You are on a higher spiritual path. Standing on the bottom means there is only one way, and that is up. It happens when you have that lightbulb moment. O my dear, I wish you well! I feel to my soul you have something very important to do. Look after yourself first. You're not much good to anyone if you don't!! Virtual hugs and big smiles.
@Grandessaful
@Grandessaful Жыл бұрын
@@christar9527I have been there. Please do not abandon yourself the way you were abandoned, and make sure you end the right thing❤️Much love and support to you💫
@alexjavovic6262
@alexjavovic6262 Жыл бұрын
Is it faith or Bad luck to be born as an scapegoat.
@user-ot2uy2og9l
@user-ot2uy2og9l Жыл бұрын
I shutter in disbelief every time I watch a video that fits, like this one. It's so painful. I wouldn't call them comforting immediately, but definitely in the big picture. Plus my situation feels ambiguous, not always as clear cut as examples described; so once again I wonder if I'm making it up.
@DHW256
@DHW256 Жыл бұрын
There were six of us kids born to our parents, who both had problems, but our mother was undoubtedly a terrible narcissist. She repeatedly wrecked her family over the years -- especially us scapegoats -- and she wrecked her own life after the killing of our father, taken due to a vehicle wreck caused by an intoxicated, angry, oncoming driver. When our father was killed, my mother tasked me with pursuing justice, who said she believed I was the only child who could pull it off. I promulgated the argument the prosecutor used to pursue justice. The charge, conviction and sentencing provoked the apprehension of the prosecutor, the D.A., and the judge, because of the lack of precedence. However, the perp was successfully charged, convicted and sentenced. Immediately following the sentencing, the prosecutor gathered family and friends for a conference, to discuss what we should anticipated over the coming years. The prosecutor praised me in front of the entire crowd, encouraging me to run for public office, insisting that I was very gifted. Reflexively, our mother stood up and said, "It doesn't matter what was said in that courtroom, he (pointing to me) doesn't represent the family!" She repeated it twice more. The prosecutor continued the talk with a horrified look, but for the rest of us it was just another day in our mother's life. However, I finally had enough, and I walked away. I spent a lifetime grieving, and suddenly I was done. Life was much better without her in it.
@juneelle370
@juneelle370 Жыл бұрын
Oh my goodness… it is absolutely incredible what you were able to do. What an incredible story and I’m glad you are free ☀️
@cynthiae6230
@cynthiae6230 Жыл бұрын
I hope you are pursuing your talent and gifts. Congratulations on rising above your circumstances. 🌼💗
@TheLordsbattleaxe
@TheLordsbattleaxe 10 ай бұрын
Glad you got away.
@mingo2024
@mingo2024 13 сағат бұрын
I started modeling and doing commercials at 10 yrs old. By the time I was 14, my mother refused to take me to anymore auditions due to her jealousy. She always tried to dim my light by telling me "You might be making other people uncomfortable." Um, YOU are the one who's uncomfortable mom. I'm your child!"
@lindap9182
@lindap9182 Жыл бұрын
So true. Even having a "gift" like graduating from high school. My father was in a miserable and hostile mood that evening and picked a fight with my mom for forgetting the camera and would not let it go even though my mom apologized over and over again, and I begged him to let it go. My friends all had cameras and I'd get pictures from them later, no problem. But he wouldn't let it go. He just wanted to ruin the night for me same as he tried his best to ruin many things. In his mind he was definitely the only one who mattered. He would say he was "king of the castle." He raised us with the sayings " no one needs God or religion" and "no one needs a college education." I see now it was just to keep himself in "power" and us kids less successful than him. He was a high school dropout and a narcissist, and the more I learn about it, the more sense his horrible behavior makes even to this day. So sad. He's now 88 and I'm 65 and I'm just now really waking up and creating emotional and physical distance from him. And the more I'm able to reconcile the "honor your father and mother" part, the more freedom I'm getting. God doesn't ask us to be ok with being abused over and over. I have a very good life as an adult, but it has taken years of therapy and videos like this to make sense of it all. Thank you, Dr. Reid!
@jayney6176
@jayney6176 Жыл бұрын
My dad "neglected" to bring a camera to both the high school cap-and-gown ceremony, as well as the banquet and dance when I was looking beautiful in my grad dress. It was a kick in the gut both times. Even after so much abuse, it nonetheless shocked me. Not only was his hobby nature photography (cameras at home) but he had a camera at his workplace only a few blocks away from the venue.
@kaynock1585
@kaynock1585 Жыл бұрын
Linda I am in a very similar dynamic with my elderly parents, father is the narc. I put myself through university twice, got 2 degrees in nursing and then midwifery and both times my dad treated my graduating ceremony as a chore. His behaviour made it very clear there were other things he’d rather be doing and that he was putting himself out to go see me get my cap and gown. This happened before enlightenment. I am only now beginning to understand and learn I was a scapegoat, I find videos such as these very validating. Good luck with your healing 🙏🏻
@lisbethsalander1723
@lisbethsalander1723 Жыл бұрын
oh the king and queen of the castle types!
@cultivarcultivar
@cultivarcultivar Жыл бұрын
“Suspiciously soon after your achievement” - exactly! And they’ll never admit that their mysterious onset of tantrums, silent treatment and sulking have anything to do with my achievement, but always due to a minor incident they need me to address RIGHT NOW, or they just suddenly got REALLY busy. I recognize the association between my accomplishment and their sulking/victimization yet could never prove it. It was all so slippery and creepy. Then two months later I hear them accepting compliments on my behalf (because people assume that their compliments will be relayed to me) but only let me know half of it later when they happen to remember. They acted like a negativity-enhancing and positivity-reducing filter for me. My parents actually love to save me but needed to keep that throne of competency. There is no secret chamber of all-knowing love inside of them, but a cauldron of seething self-importance, envy and victimization that spews paradoxical behavior.
@pavanatanaya
@pavanatanaya Жыл бұрын
I am headed home for my Mother's funeral. My brother was the family scapegoat. He will not attend. I will attend the memorial but not a reception. Of course the reception is hosted by the Narc. He will destroy his own party by bad mouthing my brother and me.
@hollowman1
@hollowman1 Жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear about your predicament. It's maddening when you can see what's coming down the pike and know that no one else likely has a clue what's really happening.
@user-kl8lo6rj5i
@user-kl8lo6rj5i Жыл бұрын
Condolences for your loss, though you may have been aware of the loss long ago. Be true to your own good nature. Don't give them anything to talk about, so that when they talk bad about you, anyone with any integrity can see the lies. Stay strong.
@MaileyMcAslan
@MaileyMcAslan Жыл бұрын
My little girl’s softball team won the championship - first one ever for me, and I was a heavy hitter, mentioned in the newspaper often. I thought I was finally doing something that would give me the acceptance of my father, who poured out his approval and support on his sons for their sports ability. As my team was celebrating, I looked for my dad. He had exited the stands and was standing with his back to me, watching little league boys play in an adjacent field.
@daniellejohnson8910
@daniellejohnson8910 10 ай бұрын
Smh 😮
@Oshun818
@Oshun818 8 ай бұрын
Oh dear. This made me cry. I remember going for a TV interview in my state. I was thinking my parents will be proud of me. Lo,my dad and mum made sure they shouted at me for something trivial. That was when I knew they were envious. My mum is the narcissist. While,my dad the enabler
@Lishamisha22
@Lishamisha22 Жыл бұрын
I wish i learned this in childhood/college
@hollowman1
@hollowman1 Жыл бұрын
You're not alone there. It really is sickening to think about how our narc parents despised our gifts. And while I've know all along that my father was a negative force in my life, I'm just now waking up to how my mother, though more deceptively, was also.
@juneelle370
@juneelle370 Жыл бұрын
@@hollowman1 similar situation w my mother… I heard it’s harder to see with the parent who is less bad… for the child to survive they gotta put a halo on one and often, they put that false halo on themselves as well lol. Didn’t wake up until my mom did something so outrageous (ruined my credit and put me in a terrible situation bc of it) that I woke up and realized… how on Earth was I trusting her when looking back, she never WAS trustworthy… she was always just the fake saint who had good intentions no matter what terrible betrayal she did. It’s crazy bc the one with the fake halo can actually do so much damage bc they’re the one you wrongly trust… not the blatant abuser! And yes, the halo comes off when you cross them! I labeled it “mad dog… again that was me protecting her, as if that wasn’t her. Sweet as pie….unless you don’t do exactly what they want! Be ready for massive guilt trips and accusations with no contact…it’s such a struggle!!! We’re worth it.
@juliebrown7268
@juliebrown7268 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Jaye! You eloquently described why I wasn't allowed to shine my light growing up or "be" anything other than the compliant, obedient scapegoat & was swiftly punished (usually silenced) when my gifts emerged. Trying not to be triggered, but this takes me back to the work it took to hide, prservingly.
@AlisongsLA
@AlisongsLA Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. This is my story, exactly. It's unfortunate I've only come to understand what was going on, very late in life. I gave up all my gifts as a child, trying to please a mother who would never be pleased. I was a good writer, songwriter, I could sing, my tap teacher told my mom I had what it takes to be a professional dancer, after which, my lessons stopped. I was skipped ahead in school and was chosen out of my class of 150 children to be in an honors program. All of this added up to disdain from my mother and my older sister, who was her "Mini Me." Thanks to a wonderful therapist, I've reclaimed my gifts, now. I dance, sing in a band, and have recorded many original songs on my KZfaq channel. It's never too late, but I hope it's sooner for others, thanks to your gift of these videos that are helping so many!
@ritahemmerly4224
@ritahemmerly4224 Жыл бұрын
Congrats on your PHOENIX rising!!!
@AlisongsLA
@AlisongsLA Жыл бұрын
@@ritahemmerly4224 Thank you, Rita! 🥰
@sannajohanna5579
@sannajohanna5579 Жыл бұрын
It is so terrible and sad to realise all this. I am just like that: I give regognition to other’s achievements but do not consider my own talents. I was taught so. But, I’ve noticed tgat some peopke do not like that I give positive comments about their job. They seem to feel and think that I pretend or something - buy their friendship!? So actually, partly it is so because in that way I pleased my parents and my super-sister. Nowadays, I have diminished to loudly ”applouse” to others so often.
@markartist8646
@markartist8646 Жыл бұрын
Your book is the final piece allowing me to decode what happened over 50+ years ago. Therapy in my 30's did not have this piece of understanding the full dynamic of how I was trapped in the abuse but did the wisest thing possible to survive. This is a monumental piece to my healing! THANK YOU!!!
@di_kid00
@di_kid00 Жыл бұрын
This explains the intense fear and shame whenever I get compliments and good feedback on my work. Like having to cut myself down in anyway and give credit to everyone else, but myself. Saving this to relisten as this feeling and reaction has been automatic my whole life. Also a big reason why I procrastinate and freeze. So thankful for your channel.
@SusanaXpeace2u
@SusanaXpeace2u Жыл бұрын
Yeh, the purpose I serve is to make my parents feel good/better than I am.
@hollowman1
@hollowman1 Жыл бұрын
I'm so close to going no contact from my entire family (both sides) and this video has brought me even closer to the decision. It's dawning on my that both of my parents are narcissist, though my mother, a self-styled 'saint' is very deceptive about it.
@annastone5624
@annastone5624 Жыл бұрын
..a covert narcissist
@munequa81
@munequa81 5 ай бұрын
I don't remember the last time i celebrated my birthday. My mother isolated me all of my life so I never had friends and never had birthday parties. My brother had parties. To this day, I haven't celebrated any accomplishments because I don't know how and don't have any real friends to celebrate with. I promised myself I'd change that this year to celebrate and share my gifts no matter how "small," or simple they may be, they are big for me.
@kerryschippers9795
@kerryschippers9795 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jay, this was very painful to hear, it also layed bare, just how much I have been caught in this trauma still. Today I know it wasn't my fault, they weren't my responsibility, and the heart of me is precious. Tears still cascade down my face as I am typing.
@kingdomoverculture
@kingdomoverculture 3 ай бұрын
I had to remain unimportant, unrecognized, unloved, and unprotected. I didn’t sever ties with my mom until I was 34, but since I have, I am unbothered, unashamed, unchained, and unconcerned with her B.S.! It feels so good to be free.
@melaniekelly1849
@melaniekelly1849 Жыл бұрын
I couldn't understand why I felt so guilty after moving out of my narc mother's house; thank you so much Jay for clearing it up for me. I knew I felt responsible for something all the time I was living with her, but not to the extent it really was. I tried to keep her happy so I wasn't screamed at, or given the silent treatment regularly; but I thought that was just self-protection. I felt guilty that I didn't want her around my house often, didn't really want to call her on her birthday or mother's day, but felt it was expected of me because I was her daughter. Then she would try to guilt me by claiming it had been so long since she'd heard from me; I hated those lackluster, almost embarrassing phone calls! You have been such a great resource for me in gaining understanding of what our relationship really was; thank you!
@xxxdftkkhgdrujj
@xxxdftkkhgdrujj Жыл бұрын
When I was 12 - had friends over - we were laughing -and having fun - Both my parents ( both narcy) pull down my pants and spank me in front of my peers, Never saw those friends again. Thanks for explaining the WHY of it all
@beachystarlovelife3869
@beachystarlovelife3869 Жыл бұрын
That was horrible! I am so angry that they did this to you just so they could feel better. They are not worthy of any of your care or attention, but you probably know that already!
@soliel8999
@soliel8999 Жыл бұрын
Also, you have to realize they want you to feel that your opinion, not just your gifts is not as relevant as others in your family.
@TheLordsbattleaxe
@TheLordsbattleaxe 10 ай бұрын
Yes, very true.
@lamb11764
@lamb11764 Жыл бұрын
Wow! You told My underlying story 😮 Im 58 & sober 20 years. I just began the ACA steps now. It’s so intense,this. I’m hopeful now though, in a healthy way. Hopeful in my recovery from this with myself, community of like minded people & a HigherPower- you have been in that community for me. Thank you💝
@lisam5688
@lisam5688 Жыл бұрын
This blew my mind. My narc Dad has never been able to celebrate any of my achievements. Ever, and it made me not able to stand in the limelight to celebrate my own. These people do so much damage to those around them, it's heartbreaking.
@mytraemeliana9869
@mytraemeliana9869 10 ай бұрын
This is the best video on this issue. It helps me understand all the ways I've denied and suppressed my own gifts. To not matter, to believe love exists where it doesn't, to be and play small, develop laser empathy, all the while upholding the N's emotional well-being are all things to overcome. It's heartbreaking to get how much we uphold for the N as children, and yet getting that we were never loved for who we were is what will set us free.
@therealdeal3672
@therealdeal3672 Жыл бұрын
I find that sometimes the more spot-on you are the more my brain is trying to distract me from the truth that you're spilling. So then I have to do a re watch, because that scapegoat part of myself is still afraid to hear all your words and accept the truth in spite of knowing it deeply. Very thankful for your focus on the scapegoat of the family. The family tried to dismiss us as much as possible. And it takes a lot of effort to refrain from doing the same to ourselves.❤
@TheLordsbattleaxe
@TheLordsbattleaxe 10 ай бұрын
My brain does the same thing.
@Hannah-lq3zu
@Hannah-lq3zu Жыл бұрын
Great video, Jay! Thank you! I have an idea for a video: I was my family's scapegoat, and sadly, the rest of my family was very self destructive. My parents both died too soon, and so did my kind but very insecure brother. Now I just have a very narcissistic sister. We don't have extended family (long story). I have built up some good individual friendships, but I struggle with shame over not having family. (I'm married, but my husband and I don't have kids.) I would LOVE to belong to a community of some kind, but I'm not interested in church. I think I struggle more because I feel ashamed of having no family even though I know I didn't do anything wrong. I feel like other people will think I'm weird for this (like I do). If you have any thoughts for scapegoat survivors who want to belong to a community, I think that would make a great video. Thank you for all of your wisdom, kindness, and help!
@rachelmaxwell5953
@rachelmaxwell5953 Жыл бұрын
Yes, yes and yes Jay! Please!!!!! Excellent idea! I’m in a very similar position. I think a martial arts group can help, and appeals to me, but I’m not yet stable enough health-wise.
@hollowman1
@hollowman1 Жыл бұрын
@@rachelmaxwell5953 I think you're on to something. I'm looking at Aikido for this very reason. :)
@carolyngartner6865
@carolyngartner6865 Жыл бұрын
I feel exactly the same way. I am single with no children and am no contact with my family of origin because I was the scapegoat. I also am not interested in church.
@cjgeminitarot6836
@cjgeminitarot6836 Жыл бұрын
I am middle age and also dealing with this. Worried about the second half of life….
@rachelmaxwell5953
@rachelmaxwell5953 Жыл бұрын
@@cjgeminitarot6836 same here, I think friends and local community are probably vital for us, I’ve been quite solitary for a while. However, I do feel that the relationships that I will have, going forward in the second half of my life, will be a lot healthier than the ones I’ve had so far. This is entirely due to the healing that I’ve been doing over the last few years. Wishing all of us here some beautiful, healthy relationships! ❤️
@juneelle370
@juneelle370 Жыл бұрын
Oh yes…so good to hear all these similarities and one is endlessly able to be manipulated when you feel responsible for other people’s bad reactions/emotions… it played out as adult as well bc I want people to feel good… but that care, with the wrong person, is a disaster because they feel bad just out of EGO (jealousy/envy/wanting to keep you “below” them)! It WAS confusing when your happiness or success makes others angry or sad! Not anymore! As a kid, got the lead in Music Man… I had to go to performance being beaten up before and screamed at on the drive all the way over. They made all of it so incredibly difficult but I still did it. And in jazz choir, same thing… trips coming up they’d try to sabotage by saying you have to do this or that before you leave and never good enough. I still was able to go each time by skin of teeth… like one time running out of house and being tackled to ground and pounded in stomach by my dad but a neighbor saw it and so my mom drove me while screaming at me the whole ride. Or private diary or poetry… nothing was safe or private… one Christmas my mom gave me a book where she had published one of my poems (that I’d hidden in my room) but changed it from romantic to Christian! 🤮 I never wrote poetry again. Also, I couldn’t have friends over because there would be screaming fits , throwing things in front of them… and my dad told me-I heard everything you said (to my friend!)… he’d put a tape recorder under my bed. Later, found out my entire family had been listening to phone conversations on the chordless (it later made sense why they wouldn’t let me talk on a plug in phone, they’d thrown them away! found out after being gaslit with little things that they knew… pretending God had told them… it was so confusing and scary then I caught on when I saw them all gather in my parents bedroom with popcorn, literally popcorn, as I’d just started a conversation on the cordless and briefly come out of my bedroom and saw them… and they shut the door…… it was then I suspected they were somehow listening to my conversation on the cordless phone. And I set up a scenario to catch them-that turned veryyyy bad. Saying I was gonna sneak out but it was a trap and when I did a huge spotlight and tackled and they were angry when I said it’s because I knew you were all listening. I ran away, was caught in barbed wire… police called… and I could hear my dad say to the cop “she’s gonna say we beat her”… when the cop found me lying low caught in the wire… I told them, they are beating me… but nothing was done… he just talked to my dad and basically at least I wasn’t beaten when home that night… I told two pastors in high schools too… no help… I think of the technology available TODAY and shudder for kids in these situations. (I was a kid in the 90’s) … if today’s tech were available the tools of surveillance would have been used in every way. There would have been cameras in every room and they would have put a literal tracker on me. I guarantee kids are being abused like this now. Just like governments use spying/surveillance for control, so do sick parents. Understanding is such an important piece to emotional freedom. I didn’t recognize jealousy/envy because I somehow didn’t have it and still don’t. And the torment didn’t end after hs, that’s for sure. It never does until you get away. And this weird treatment colonizes your mind even apart from them… I love singing and I performed jazz in the military and out of the military and the hardest part--the applause afterwards!!!! And having to deal with compliments because I didn’t want others to feel bad!!! And probably a subconscious feeling that something bad was about to happen… It’s strange bc I’m at a very hard part in my life (directly related to all this/direct sabotage) but it’s not bad… it’s good. Rock bottom but not free falling. Building from here.
@hollowman1
@hollowman1 Жыл бұрын
Yes! No more!
@annastone5624
@annastone5624 Жыл бұрын
@juneelle370 Omg.. crazy..
@annastone5624
@annastone5624 Жыл бұрын
I’ve always thought I was making up the animosity against me, but I know realise I was totally minimising it. It’s amazing you could still sing. I was crushed.. dance..prevented from attending after the teacher told my mother how talented I was. Singing.. made to help another singer to stop me singing. Acting.. came to deliver her poison blow on the first night in my lead role. Never acted again. We all have a limit.. I fought so hard.. but I just couldn’t survive the sheer relentlessness and power of the opposition. “ I didn’t recognize jealousy/envy because I somehow didn’t have it and still don’t” wow.. I so identify with this. I still wonder if there’s something wrong with me!! I meet so many bitter bitter people who’ve hardly suffered anything, yet I’ve been through such horrors.. but have almost no bitterness. I should be bitter!! Maybe I just can’t access it.
@juneelle370
@juneelle370 Жыл бұрын
@@annastone5624 pls don’t ever judge yourself for what you gave up from their torment… trust me, I was affected in a big way too… it’s like the trauma adds up and the confusion and we all get crushed at different points in the process. And for those who went through severe abuse and they somehow were able to really succeed/make a life with what they wanted? I’m glad for them but they’re not “better”… it’s just somehow they got some information or someone to believe in them or something came to them that brought understanding somehow… SOMEHOW they got some clarity sooner… because God KNOWS we TRIED!!! 😭 I think it’s really important to honor these natural gifts inside ourselves… I loved acting too… but we don’t have to judge ourselves like the egoic world… meaning there are ways to do all these things, experience all these beautiful gifts NOW… our lives aren’t only accomplishments but the energy/emotion/actions we give and allow ourselves TODAY, each day ❤️ I think you’d really enjoy the book the Lucid Body…. I took a movement class of this but it can totally be done at home. Acting is also (when used in love/not ego) a powerful way to PLAY and to expand ourselves through expression. When I took that class it was like I finally understood, acting is for everyone. Just like singing and dance. Now some people have the gift/calling to do something with it creatively, it’s something deep in identity/spirit, but these things are so good for all humans ❤️ humans are coo coo without loving play :) And since you have the gift/calling of acting and other creative gifts, I think this book might really help you ☀️ I’m returning to my gifts myself now too. Also, you might want to read 48 laws of power…. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with us that we don’t think that way and so couldn’t therefore understand what the heck was going on with all these ego people… but without being TAUGHT about this, we were incredibly vulnerable to abuse. When I read 48 laws of power 😂 it was like what the heck. I may have been hurt by ego people but I am SO GLAD I don’t think like they do-it’s absolutely SICK! Unconscious! But now, I’m having fun being a loving person-much more AWAKE! 👀 I have considered, maybe I was so abused that I couldn’t have envy/jealousy because I was taught I was wrong to even want anything… shown no empathy for myself and so developed only empathy for others… but if this is so, it’s a silver lining of abuse to not have envy/jealousy. And I know I did love my family very much and wanted their love. The thing is now I know our greatest strengths and tenderness can be weaponized against us.. a moral compass includes ourselves 💯and we have a moral obligation to ourselves to love and protect ourselves. Unconditional love but not unconditional relationship when it comes to abusers.
@LexinePishue
@LexinePishue Жыл бұрын
I am working through the guilt of no-contact, and lower contact with my parents, one narcissistic and one codependent. They both required me to be The Child in the relationship all the time, or they simply didn't want to or know how to engage. So many of these points are maybe more important than they seem - the papering over your own gifts makes it hard to advance in your career, and it's really true about seeking out people who treat you like your narcissistic parent did, because that's what you were taught caring looks like. Thank you for the focus on the scapegoat, Jay, it's been such an important part of my healing!
@TheLordsbattleaxe
@TheLordsbattleaxe 10 ай бұрын
I too am working through the guilt of no contact.
@lavonnebenson7409
@lavonnebenson7409 5 ай бұрын
I was the "most promising sophomore English major " in college. My mother and older brother totally ignored it which ...felt real & just how it should be because I now realize they had ignored everything I ever excelled at.
@fancynancylucille
@fancynancylucille Жыл бұрын
That story of Sarah reminds me of a lot, and of the reason I always tell my daughter that what she does is great, even though there are flaws. She only needs to have the good stuff reinforced. If there’s anything wrong she fixes it herself. This subject is painful.
@MA-iw6og
@MA-iw6og Жыл бұрын
Thank you for exposing these evil/demonic traits of the narcissistic parent. You're telling my story! How I had to burry my gifts and talents to buy their peace but was never delivered. How sad. However, once the scapegoat wakes up they're Unstoppable!
@user-kl8lo6rj5i
@user-kl8lo6rj5i Жыл бұрын
This is the most insightful video I have seen on this topic, and I have watched quite a few. It is also the first explanation that truly helps me understand why I have sabotaged myself over and over, for decades. Thank you so much for this.
@annewoods3528
@annewoods3528 Жыл бұрын
My mother's envious rage was evident for as long as I can remember. My earliest attempt to find answer of my mental agony was looking for information about jealous mother. It was hard to find anything that put mother in a negative light back then. Thankfully the veil has been pulled back more. I'm so grateful to have found this channel. The information Jay provides explains everything I have been trying to understand for decades. I'm sure many more people can be helped by this information. It's truly life saving and transforming. Thank you Jay!
@micheleparadis2808
@micheleparadis2808 Жыл бұрын
This video is a balm for what I thought was an oozing wound that would never heal. Thank you.
@MickeyDs-mp7yr
@MickeyDs-mp7yr 4 ай бұрын
100% understand this. Not matter what I achieved - always felt less than nothing. Like a piece of shit my mother stepped on. EMDR therapy is saving my life.
@kimberlymccracken747
@kimberlymccracken747 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jay - it explains a lot 👍😇💯
@hollowman1
@hollowman1 Жыл бұрын
It sure does. Ugh.
@joellenklemek138
@joellenklemek138 Жыл бұрын
This makes perfect sense to why I cannot leave my husband. He has called me unattractive, and a drunkard among many other vulgar words when he berated and degrades me. But my looks and my kind and conscientious behaviors are my gifts. Then when I try to leave him he apologies and cries and begs me not to leave him. And I feel obligated. I feel sorry for him. You said that what can happen after being treated this way as a child, we can learn to take responsibility for others feelings. So it makes sense that that is what has happened to me.
@diatribe5
@diatribe5 Жыл бұрын
I have a slightly less painful version of your experience. My man has had a very low to nonexistent sex drive since we’d been together for 2 months. Before that, we were like rabbits. I was still in my prime and could get other men easily. Now that I’m much older and don’t care about the sexual withholding, he’s a volatile moody grumpy old man. Every time I’ve tried to leave, even if I sneak out, he does the same thing, even back when other men wanted me and I had other prospects. He treated me like a queen back then, until about 13 years ago when his personality changed from easygoing to finding fault and the mood swings. He’s not a narcissist, just insecure, but I think you can relate to why I am still with him even though I know I’m not happy with the situation.
@joellenklemek138
@joellenklemek138 Жыл бұрын
@@diatribe5 another thing that I have always felt for mine is pity. Recently after 23 years we (both he and I) have figured out that he is autistic- high functioning but now his behaviors really make sense. It’s like he does have remorse but can’t understand exactly what he did wrong and can’t learn to improve. He just knows he f’d up. and he is capable of appreciating and loving other people in a more primitive but sweet way. So he’s different than a narcissist but the abuse/behavior is practically the same. This is another contributing factor for why I can’t make myself abandon him. He basically needs a service animal. A human one. And this is not healthy for me. Yet he still needs it. With your man, I strongly encourage you to become available for romantic love. It’s never to late for love. Never. And I believe anything is possible. Do you think your man is declining mentally? Cognitively? I’m so so sorry he took your window of biology fire and wasted it hurting you. But you are still alive. You can still love and you are loved. 🥰. I promise. You are loved ❤️🔥❤️.
@aquariusstar7248
@aquariusstar7248 Жыл бұрын
I could just give you the BIGGEST HUG! My God....the lies I have been fighting for so long❤❤ I've downloaded your boom I just need to make time this week to read! Thank you for your work, your diligence and for setting us FREE!
@stanleydrive740
@stanleydrive740 Жыл бұрын
Very Dear Jay, it's just like you were there, at my house, when I was an abused preschooler. At long last, I see that my mother really could not have ever acknowledged my art.
@sinesolesoleo5474
@sinesolesoleo5474 Жыл бұрын
I thought the same, but I guess he would have helped us if he had been really there ;-) I don't even show my art to my mother any more ...
@Ram-uj8ls
@Ram-uj8ls Жыл бұрын
@Jay Reid: thank you from Italy! That is exactly how the scapegoat functions throughout their life. At least, unless and until they discover your videos and that there's something out of place in their behavior. Add to this that some have an autistic/disabled brother or sister, which partly justifies different treatment of children, but simultaneously reinforces the scapegoat's excessive compliance and self-effacement.
@jla8070
@jla8070 Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, very helpful. This is key. To learn how not to sabotage yourself and your gifts or clip your own wings
@aliendeathrocker
@aliendeathrocker Жыл бұрын
I just want to thank you so much for what you do. I found your channel recently thanks to the KZfaq algorithm and it's been the best therapy I've ever had. You're helping me walk away from a lifetime of abuse with my family and other narcissists who scapegoated me and I can't thank you for that or your calming, empathetic presence enough. Knowing I can put one of your videos on when the panic attacks hit and they'll help me calm down while educating me and helping me recover is so comforting at a time when I really need it. Your work is invaluable. Thank you.
@TheLordsbattleaxe
@TheLordsbattleaxe 10 ай бұрын
I agree.
@rinahgberg312
@rinahgberg312 Жыл бұрын
Your videos are just perfect. Forever thank you.😇
@jw911
@jw911 Жыл бұрын
This encapsulated my experience to the T. No contact going on two years, and I am finally starting to understand my true value. smh Get out while you are still alive!
@TheLordsbattleaxe
@TheLordsbattleaxe 10 ай бұрын
I am on no contact for three years no contact and just now starting to see a little bit of value in myself.
@user-vt9kd4no8j
@user-vt9kd4no8j Жыл бұрын
This explains a lot
@hollowman1
@hollowman1 Жыл бұрын
It sure does.
@satoriceramics6010
@satoriceramics6010 11 ай бұрын
I always knew my gift was in the arts, and eventually discovered that I loved pottery. I’m a decent cook and have worked kitchen jobs so I have some professional experience. When I temporarily moved back home with my mother to save some money in adulthood, I began cooking the meals for us. I like cooking, but I don’t LOVE it like I do pottery. I used to spend all my time cooking, cleaning and grocery shopping for her on top of the job I was holding. It should be noted that she teleworked 5 days a week from home during this time. One day I woke up and went “wait a minute, I feel like Cinderella” as a 27 year old man. I also noticed that if I did well selling my pottery or received praise for it recently the silent treatments and tantrums increased tremendously. How I fixed it honestly was to STOP CARING what she thought of me. In fact, with every stride in getting better, I did it with the intention of defying her and embracing that she would be mad. You’re damned if you do, damned if you don’t in this position. So when you’re up to bat (to use your analogy) swing for the fences and make sure to wink at them when you knock it out the park. I was the golden child (only child) growing up and running track in college until I got depressed and dropped out, from then on out I became the scapegoat to not only my mother but my entire mother’s side of the family (they’re all childless besides me). I truly don’t care what they think anymore. At this point, the more they hate me the more I know I’m doing well. Going no contact this year, won’t be seeing them this holiday. Good riddance honestly. ❤ great video
@vanessaroediger4829
@vanessaroediger4829 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for continued work. There has never not been content I could not relate to. The illustration of the mechanisms make one feel understood and aid a great deal in challenging self-gaslighting. There were so many concepts I had no idea even existed, from “what are safe people and how do they act in relation to me and others” to being steadfast in how I value myself, and all else in between. By the way, when you mentioned the example of coming home from a sleepover where one had a great time, I, once again, had a slight sensation you secretly lived in my house when I was growing up, and now you are telling the story haha… You would have lived in a lot of houses across the globe, I come to believe. There was definitely a price to pay for forgetting my role as scapegoat with all its modes, schemas, and beliefs, even if it was just for a weekend. The reminder was never far away upon return “home”. I also wanted to mention that I am still reading David Celani’s “Leaving Home”. In carefully sized chunks, that is. Then I reflect and journal. The concept of what he is saying, by the title alone, has added a whole perspective onto my recovery work.
@cloudwalker8266
@cloudwalker8266 Жыл бұрын
Oh, man, this video hit a lot of home runs. Reminded me of the time my father refused to attend my graduation for a contrived reason because he couldn't find it within himself to be proud of me for being the first college grad in our family.
@the51project
@the51project 9 ай бұрын
I remember when I was about 14 when I was invited to a party at a schoolfriend's house, whose parents trusted them to have a small party with about 10 friends. I was told by my narcissistic mother to be home by 9:30. I was home earlier than agreed. As soon as I got home, my mother told me she had had to walk down an ice-covered hill near my friend's house, using my grandfather's old walking stick, as it was so dangerous - to see where I was. Yet, I was home earlier than I was told... You cannot win against these people. I went no-contact at age 52, 6 years ago. No regrets what-so-ever, except I didn't do it 30 years earlier. It's not about love or care, it's about their control over you. They will steal your entire life given the chance.
@lolac8210
@lolac8210 Жыл бұрын
This video is very useful for me, as it comes to a time in my life, when, at 28, after some years of recovery, the things I didn't get to do in school really hit and I am going through a painful process of mourning my lost potential. I have Asperger and very high IQ, which was too much for my average IQ mother (my father has Asperger as well, and very high IQ), she did everything she could to prevent me to study anything at all. She was so envious of this that any thing I said that wasnt stupid reminded her that I was smarter than her, and she made my life hell for it. It is so painful to accept that I achieved so little while being in school, and this video really helps with getting to a point of closure. Thankfully it would have been shameful for her if I didn't go to college (in the eyes of the family) so she let me study for the admission.
@leocampa6230
@leocampa6230 Жыл бұрын
Teachers , classmates and people I came across as a teenager working in my small town's grocery store always told me I had a gift. Mom and Dad would tear it down. Especially mom with laughter.
@matilda4406
@matilda4406 Жыл бұрын
the coach coming to tell the father that Sara was good, ohh that's going to be painful, Uowh, I felt that
@kittenlips44
@kittenlips44 11 күн бұрын
Your information is palpably changing my health and well being for the better . You are fighting the good fight as a white knight . I cannot begin to thank you enough . Thank you so deeply .🐦💟☯️🕊️
@pebblebrookbooks4852
@pebblebrookbooks4852 Жыл бұрын
Timely as always , Jay!
@fusion01wp
@fusion01wp Жыл бұрын
Instead of the torment or obsessive thinking about the blame of others in the past and the need for redemption, absolution my mantra is “I choose love. I surrender.”
@izawaniek2568
@izawaniek2568 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your extremely informative and helpful video. It resonates with me on so many levels. When people show you who they are, we should believe them the first time and do not wait hoping for love, respect, decency, civility which we have been programmed to strive to deserve as kids. And we got the breadcrumbs now and then as a trauma bond booster. The painful experiences of Growing up as a scapegoat can be turned into a superpower Once we heal.
@triciairisbrown470
@triciairisbrown470 Жыл бұрын
I actually was the super athletic and thank God I got the encouragement with sports because it was such a helpful healthy outlet for me. It's so interesting you picked softball. I was a total natural. Very similar experience. It was my mom that would occasionally offer guidance and I would talk back to her like do you even play the game? and then my dad would tell me to stop. That was his thing. If I spook up for myself, no matter how out of line she was or me just express good psychology, my dad would tell me to stop. It was always so weird to me. What I experienced was after she would be really mean, yell, rage, the next day or soon after when she was back to the good mom, she would want to be really nice and buy me things. I was happy to be getting bought the new school clothes and sports equipment and getting the awesome birthdays, Christmas with all the presents and parties etc, I still felt like it wasn't exactly all a good feeling because of the fact how horrible she was to me, there was a pretending it didn't happen and just acting like everything was ok. This back and forth thing and it got worse and worse treatment towards me as time went on. She became more vindictive and destructive towards me. I stay far far way from her now and will never be in her presence or talk to her in any way again. She will never know where I live or anything about me. And yes, I started down playing my gifts early. The first time was in like 4th grade. Later on, as a grown woman, I started doing it when I would be around other people who I was around that didn't know things I didn't know. I would get triggered by dysfunctional coworkers, housemates , guys, friends on and on and then full into the pattern of the way I was being treated. I started down playing my looks, I let myself stop looking as good so that I wouldn't stand out so that I would upset someone. I was always seeming to be upsetting someone!! I have definetely been doing my inner work and listening to these videos about these types of people has really been eye opening, validating, confirming and helpful.
@SuzkaMares
@SuzkaMares Жыл бұрын
Amazingly accurate description of what the scapegoat child goes through. Thanks for all your deep work on this topic Jay. 🙏
@hollowman1
@hollowman1 Жыл бұрын
Videos like this get me ramped up and ready to go no contact with my entire family. Then the self doubt kicks in and I start to think that 'I'm making this all up.' Hmm? Whose voice is that I wonder?
@ritahemmerly4224
@ritahemmerly4224 Жыл бұрын
I stood trying to open a can of coffee one day. Then out loud I sneered at myself " Cant you even open a can of coffee?" The shock was it sounded just like my mother.. We invalidate ourself every day without knowing it. I spent 65 yrs in this before seeing it. Would a sane person pretend dementia to get attention?? GO KEEP GOING!!
@Sipndoodledoodlers1
@Sipndoodledoodlers1 Ай бұрын
I am so fascinated that the word “deserve” is such a trigger for me.
@drm9373
@drm9373 Жыл бұрын
I experienced this wicked and destructive dynamic w my ex-husband and his family. Because I was raised by my mother and father who instilled confidence and value in me and my sister, I was eventually able to distill truth out of the fog and escape. Yes, leaving a toxic marriage is a dangerous escape that I’m grateful to have survived. With God’s Grace, you too can restore peace, joy, and health in your life. God Bless us all and anyone making the decision to leave and is saying to themselves, “no more. I’ve had enough”.❤🙏🏼☀️🌈
@lallyk3945
@lallyk3945 Жыл бұрын
This is all so accurate that I'm kind of stunned. Thank you for this explanation. 🙏
@melliecrann-gaoth4789
@melliecrann-gaoth4789 Жыл бұрын
This seems to be the most recent video so this is where I am putting the message. Dear Dr Jay Reid. Congratulations on writing and publishing your book. A great achievement. I am going to buy a real book made of paper and have it posted (mailed) to me and delivered by our postman, unless he is on holidays and then I can say post person. It will be delivered all the way from the USA to the “ British Isles” Thanks so much for all you do 🙏
@kLk1313
@kLk1313 10 ай бұрын
These videos have shocked then accelerated my determination to love myself.
@thingsthatclick
@thingsthatclick Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!! Your videos have been so helpful to confirm my thoughts/feelings and move past the guilt! My parents never valued my creative gifts and my mom actually has expressed envy for the life I have created for myself, so it's been very difficult for me to own my artistic abilities. I used to devalue my own talent and stay small/shrink when people would recognize it, for fear of shining too much/evoking envy in others. In recent years I have been a lot more assertive/allowing these parts of myself to come out and be celebrated, and it has also lead to natural disconnect from my family who refuses to accept my whole self since it threatened their fragile egos. I also used to attract romantic relationships with people who traded my creativity the same was as my family did, which was not surprising at all. Now I choose to surround myself with safe people only and keep my inner circle small - if somebody cannot celebrate my successes/reluctantly does so, they don't deserve to be in my life. Feeling so much more peaceful and blissful like this :-)
@TheLordsbattleaxe
@TheLordsbattleaxe 10 ай бұрын
Very much more peaceful.
@anns9549
@anns9549 Жыл бұрын
I had to down play my abilities from my siblings for decades because my parents would use it as a tool to make my other siblings feel bad. Because of that, my siblings resented me for a very long time. Actually, they still low key resent me. I recently moved 4 states away and i have every intention on being the best version of myself from this point forward.
@normagaunce9630
@normagaunce9630 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing. This explains my life. ❤
@onehuman5325
@onehuman5325 Жыл бұрын
First time I have heard an accurate interpretation of why it felt better putting others first, love jays analogy of chamber to unlock for love, realise now it was actually a chamber of horrors.
@soliel8999
@soliel8999 Жыл бұрын
Why this guy only has 18k subscribers boggles my mind.
@soniahathaway1
@soniahathaway1 Жыл бұрын
I agree, he is such a gem in his understanding; he must have experienced the parental wounds big time. He is helping me and so many others survive and heal.
@antjestr1047
@antjestr1047 Жыл бұрын
all aspects of a narcissistic upbringing a truely so cruel beyond words.....
@1RPJacob
@1RPJacob Жыл бұрын
7:47 eg asking Narc's parent for advice when SG child knows exactly what to do. 11:06 appreciation for being a good slave.
@PaigeSquared
@PaigeSquared Жыл бұрын
I did think that as long as I followed their plan, I would be celebrated. I got my graduate degree, that is where their plan for me ended, that's the last time my mom said she was proud of me. I don't know what they assumed would happen afterwards. I've been scrambling ever since.
@juneelle370
@juneelle370 Жыл бұрын
💜
@bonganicembi6758
@bonganicembi6758 11 ай бұрын
I can relate so much to this. This is so helpful toward my journey of recovery. God bless You ❤
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