I sold my Mac Pro 2013 last year and replaced it by a Mini M2 Pro. What I loved of the Mac Pro was the high quality audio line output.

Mine is a 6 core with d500 graphics which came from a video studio that made TV commercials and cost me €300 with the original 256 GB storage and 16 Gb RAM. I upgraded it to 64GB 1866 MHz RAM which cost me €34 including shipping and a 2 TB Lexar SSD from Amazon for €80 + an adapter from Ali Express for €3. From your chart I see that it is from 2014 week 17. It runs Sonoma 14.3 with OCLP and boots up to the login screen in 25 seconds, I use it as my daily driver, although I do not do serious work anymore and just play around with Mac's. So I don't need it but I love it. Some benchmarks: Disk speed Read 12909 MB/s, Write 14020 MB/s; Geekbench CPU Single Core 731, Multi Core 3672; Open CL score 20342. CPU Temperature stays between 60 and 70 degrees Centigrade during test. Love to see more of your video's on this greetings, Peter

Always find your videos to be very helpful and informative. In fact, I used your video of rebuilding your Mac Pro 2013, to help me rebuild my trashcan Mac. 👍

Hi. Your interest for these trashcans make good uploads. I just bought myself one. It is a base one with a 1tb drive. Got it for cheap and it is mint. Using it on my main tv for everything. Really happy with it:-) It is a 2014 from that chart you provided. Split the ssd on the middle with macos and windows. Works great!

Can't wait bring it on, a well researched and informative video you've got me hooked .

One of the use cases for the Mac Pro 2013 over apple silicon is monitor support. Last I checked, you can run more monitors on the 2013. I will also note that I bought a 2019 used 12 core with the w6800x duo. For everyday task (word processing, web, excel, photos, etc), I didn’t really notice a difference. Even higher demand software didn’t show much of a difference until I need to use a GPU intensive task. Then the difference was pretty huge. My 2013 wash 8 core d500 32 GC ram, with 512 SSD.

Thank you very much for the detailed information. Looking forward to follow up videos.

Thank you, for another educational and useful video. If my on-line unit conversion is correct $500 Pounds is equal to about $635 US dollars which, is about twice the price that, I paid for my space gray "trash can" Mac Pro 8-core/D-700/64GB/1TB SSD model, two-years ago at $1,200 US dollars. According to your chart, my Mac Pro was manufactured in 2016. Since these were made in the USA, I am glad to know that American workers were still building these units from 2013 through 2019 (smile...smile).

I use my Mac Pro trashcan running Mac OS Sierra primarily as a host machine for the following (1) using VM Fusion hypervisor to run Windows 10, Windows XP, and the linux distros Mint, Zorin and linux lite. (2) using screen sharing while running various Mac OS’s on the following obsolete Macs 2012 mac mini, 2014 mac mini and 2018 mac mini. It’s just a matter of getting things done and this system works here.There is a lot of 32 bit software that still work well. Last month i actually had to use “Lotus Magellan” 16 bit software to recover and open a very important file. Thanks for these posts, your work is really appreciated.

thanks for posting, will continue to follow

Really good video. Looking forward to follow ups.

I have to say a huge thanks to you and this channel. Ive just bought myself a Mac Pro, 2018 Build..New CPU and RAM upgrade for just over £300. With a warranty from the seller. Ive been binge watching your content and it's been so so helpful in making my decisions. My next move is to get a new SSD and that has proven confusing...the system is currently running Monterey so it can take a NVMe with an adapter but I did see/read something that suggested only some NVMe's work well...I don't know if you've covered this in any detail but if you have I'll be sure to Dig it out and learn more. Again, thank you so much sir! Keep up the great work!

Thank you a lot! Pure gold knowledge here.

I'm interested to see the follow up videos! If you get to benchmarking I would also be very interested in seeing the power usage of these, idle and under full load. This I think adds to the comparison to Apple Silicon and also to the general answer on how usage these machines still are. In particular if you would compare it to older PCs from the era.

I discovered a huge fact last week, despite buying one in 2013 (delivered 2014), upgrading its CPU in 2018, until eventually replacing it in 2021 with a Mac Studio M1 Ultra. Did you know - the 12-core variant had a different CPU board? It’s the only one with a QuickPath Interconnect at 8 GT/s. So despite maxing out RAM and SSD and buying the D700 originally, it turns out I was stuck with a slower bus even after I did a hugely complex CPU transplant. 🤷‍♂️😜

Interesting. Look forward to seeing you try it.

Thank you. Good information.

Thoroughly enjoyed your vid! I just updated my late 2013 Mac Pro, 12-core w duel D700, 1tb Samsung 980 pro and 64gb1866 ram to the latest 14.3.1 Sonoma using OpenCore Legacy Patcher. My serial was "MH" which translate to 5th week, 2014. However, I absolutely STILL love my Machine! and use it periodically as a media work horse! This is coming from someone who still has and uses daily a Fully specd 2017 imac pro with 4tbnvme and 16gb Vega 64, 2019,2018,2015 Macbook Pro's as well as a decently spec'd M1. At some point I use them all and keep them up to date but mainly use my 2017 imac and my trash can and sometimes M1. I get especially excited whenever I see people making videos on the trashcan mac, finding new ways to still bring life into them! Keep up the great work! Maybe make some videos comparing editing across several models? (maybe thats something i should do? lol)

I got one that's "YW" in the serial number. It came with D700s, 64GB of 1866 ram, and the 12 core CPU. Also had a 1 TB (non-Apple) SSD with the M.2 adapter and pre-loaded with Monteray. I had trouble with it forgetting the date/time when unplugged so I replaced the battery (which was deep inside the panel) and also I repasted everything. It was very clean inside so I assume whoever replaced the SSD probably cleaned it out. Was a bit over $400 on ebay but considering, I think it was a reasonable deal. I'm not a MacOS fan and I have a M1 Mini anyway, so I've been trying other OSs. Windows 11 runs but doesn't like it (audio driver issues, uses excessive power). Debian seems OK on it and I may stick with that. Good luck!

Nice, following this series. Maybe try some bootcamp tests too?

Thanks. Looks like mine was manufactured in 2018 in week 19. I installed the 12 core Xeon and larger 500 GB SSD. I kept the original SSD if I chose to sell it. It came with the D500 and correct 32 GB of RAM. I installed bootcamp on it and use it to control my model trains (OSX for N scale & Windows for HO scale). It's overkill but I like the look. I paid $220 + $20 shipping with 6 cores and for $30 I installed the 12 core Xeon CPU in September of last year (2023). I have had no issues. I look forward to your testing. I did not know that Apple fixed the D500 and D700 video cards in later years. All good news for me.

Thank You for your INFO

My 3,1 mac pro has Server ram in it and its bombproof. Back using server ram for mac upgrades

The LGA2011 socket was released by Intel in 2011. So those 2013 Mac Pro’s were based on ~2 yr old tech when they were new.

I still use my modded out 9 year old 12 core trash can for music production/ film scoring.

One of my favourite Mac designs. As much as people joked about the look when it came out, it's super iconic and I wouldn't mind if Apple decided to revive this at some point for the Mac Studio line.

Thank you for the video.

Excellent video with lots of helpful hints, esp. the dating guide. Another layer, if I may suggest it: give some sample apps with their version numbers, such as Photoshop Z or Maya whatever or Pro Tools bla bla, to give an idea of what runs well on the item under review. Thanks!

I JUST bought one in the USA on 2/17/2024. 3GHz 8 core, 32GB, D700s, 512GB SSD for $220. I had some ECC 1600MHz laying around, upgraded to 64GB and the 2.7GHz 12 core CPU for $25. All in with shipping $260. Looking into 4k monitors be aware that this machine doesn't support anything Above 3840x2160 (there are a few "4k Mac monitors" that are slightly above that including a few of the LGs & 4k and 5k iMacs (repurposed as monitors).

Just watched your videos on the trashcan mac, and decided to pick one up for myself. Early 2015, 16gb ram, 1TB SSD, D500, 6-core for a total of $240 USD. Can't wait for it to ship!

Ordered mine with the 6 core xeon and the D700s in 2019

The point that you make at the very beginning about an almost 10 year old computer still having "plenty of performance to offer" only serves to highlight that the obsolescence of older computers is not driven by lack of performance these days, but rather the questionable actions of both Apple and Microsoft to artificially limit the installation of newer systems to new systems, despite the fact that these older models could easily run these newer systems without any issues.

Mine is 16th week of 2015. The 64gb ram upgrade for 30USD is the best part IMO.

Purchased a 2019 “Y”6-core mint 🗑️ for $200. Ridiculous value for the money. Searched the way you do 😂

I run mine headless with Proxmox it's phenomenal...

I know that the 2013 Mac Pro fell short of the expectations of professionals that needed all the expansion ports but many were sold none the less and the prices are great. It is nice to see some people on KZfaq realizing that most of us regular Mac users don't need all that expansion (Thunderbolt and USB hubs are plentiful if you do) and that a Used 2013 Mac Pro offers an amazing opportunity to buy a really good and still fast Mac computer at a fantastic price. I went for the 4 core version (3.7 ghz, 16gb) with D300 graphic cards and for what I do ( home use, internet browsing, slicer software for my 3d printers and some graphic processing work on a hobby basis) I love it. I have had Mac computers since the 512K model and I have had some nice really models over the years but this 2013 Mac Pro is the smoothest running Mac that I have ever used. It will boot to an external drive and run anything from Mavericks to Monterey natively, and newer using open core. I love it and will being enjoying it for some time to come I am sure.

I’ve had a trash can Mac Pro for about 2 years now… got it just before the price drop, but since I edit, layout for print, and create covers for self-publishing authors, the purchase is one that I’m still happy with. I also use Logic Pro, so have a Thunderbolt 2 drive bay with 4 drives for sample libraries and client work storage. I have just now begun the process of upgrading to Mac OS 12 (Monterey), just installing it on another 1 TB drive today and now get to download all of the apps I use… a process that’s very time consuming, but necessary since I’ve been working in Mac OS 10.15… it’s about to age out so upgrades will no longer be available… ugh. Ran across your videos and look forward to your own feedback. Personally… since a Mac Studio is about $3000 for the version I’ll require, I’ll stay with this one for at least another year. Thank god for the Open Core Legacy Patcher. I have a cheese grater Mac Pro and an iMac to upgrade and sell. Again… ugh!

Nice chap and I got my 6,1 in Watford while attending a football match…., then put 64gb ram in a week later….its the baby D300. £225.00 Best “trashcan “ I’ve ever had.Thank you CEX Watford. By the way we didn’t win the footy but I still went back to Wiltshire smiling because of my purchase.

Looks, like mine is S4, mid 2016, it was a refurb when I got it, D700s so I suppose it's possible it was also part of the recall, despite being slightly after that date. I did have to take it in once for a rattling fan.

I paid a pretty price for mine around January 2022. It's a *TP* so 20th week of 2017 - May 20th, 2017? I purchased it from an eBay seller, 12-core with 64GB 1866 RAM & 1TB SSD. Strangely, it came with an Apple Login name different to the sellers name! Who know, maybe he bought it & upgraded it - he did state that there was fresh thermal paste installed... For January 2022, I paid AUD$2500, or about UKP1300. Sounds expensive now, and maybe it was over priced for its time - but I'm happy with it. If it dies, I'll consider an M1 Macbook Pro.

Thumbs Up given (video saved for future reference to upgrade my Pro - once I’m working again and have money). One question to explore rather than stay on Monterey, use OpenCore Legacy Patcher to upgrade to either Ventura OR Sonoma (personally I’ve stuck on Monterey but would value your thoughts and/or experience)

Fantastic video. I've held onto one of the older MacMinis in case I need access to software or file formats that are no longer supported today. I regret not keeping a PowerPC device. However, if necessary, I'll have to purchase one or find an emulator. Dealing with old formats can be a hassle when you need them. Every time Apple discontinues support for something (I don’t like the deprecated markers), it compels me to keep an old device just in case. What's your motivation for keeping the old machines?

I'm currently using a 2012 Mac Mini Server as my general system upgraded to dual SSDs and 16GB RAM and a 2012 Mac Pro with dual 3.46Ghz hex-core Xeons, 96GB, 1TB NVMe and an RX-580. The Mac Pro is far more capable for running my DAW software than the Mac Mini but the power draw and noise is an issue for me and I can't get OpenCore to install anything above Catalina without it freezing a previously bootable install of Ventura once I upgraded to OpenCore 1.3. I could replace the Mac Pro with a used 2013 Model, keep the GPU for use in an eGPU enclosure for a few £100 these days and not only save a lot in electric usage, but natively use Monterey without even bothering with OpenCore.

Hey there, thanks for the vid!!! I'm really into going to do the same purchase, but I don't know if you tried or are you going to, do you think would be a decent machine to run ComfyUI?

Have you thought about using a Grisley thermal sheet Kyrosheet? Can be used for long term cpu pad.

Nice overview with some interesting buying & selling pointers in there too. It’s correct though, and worth noting, that the 4 x 32GB RAM modules required to get to 128GB downgrade speed in the MP6,1 by over 40% to 1066 MHz! Ouch!!

I will be watching your updates, most importantly trying out an external TB4 dock. I've had problems with TB4 on my 2013 Mac Pro, and ended up giving up. My daily driver is the 2013 Mac Pro. With even 32GB memory it's just as fast for virtually any type of common applications, and I have never had issues, even with many applications and dozens of Chrome and Safari tabs open. I have a Mac Mini M2 Pro with 32GB memory that I use for app development, music and video production. The Mac Pro actually is ok for music (Logic Pro), but way too slow for video rendering. But when I'm not doing anything with crazy CPU/GPU requirements I still just us the Mac Pro.

I bought it on release day so 11 years and still rocking 24x365

looking forward to the coming videos. and curious how this stacks up against an M2 mac mini for a similar price

I did fully refurbished in my mac pro 6,1

I was starting university (media production course) when this Mac Pro was announced and I remember everyone on my course debating spaffing all our student loan money on it. I’m glad I didn’t, as some did, but I’m definitely still keen to get one 😂

Those UK prices sting. I recently picked up a 2013 (didn’t list gpu but turned out to be a d300) 12 core 2.7 GHz, 64 GB of RAM, (no SSD) for $200 USD shipped. I felt like I didn’t get the greatest deal either.

I got a 6-core with the d500 off eBay last year, turns out it’s really young, built in week 8 of 2020 oddly.

Just bought a Mac Pro with D700's, never even thought about the age VS when the recall happened. Do we know exactly what the issue was? Was it just thermal compound drying up and causing them to overheat? Looks like mine is from the end of 2014.

I had a 2013 Mac Pro 12-core but I sold it for $5k years ago before 2019 Mac pro came out

so cool so when are you making the video your talking about?

What about those of us that don’t have in-depth knowledge about specs, gpu, components and we decide to get a refurbished Mac Pro rather than go the eBay route? What advice do have on that decision please, because I’m definitely one of those ppl or I might be the only one here😂 The idea of taking the whole thing apart and applying thermal paste is a little daunting. I Opened my old iMac twice (mid 2011 model) it was nerve racking each time😊 What are the precise questions I should be asking the refurb people in regards to ensuring that they haven’t cut corners and ensure the machine is specked with more than adequate components, even at the base level😊 As always, thanks you in advance for answering, thank you for these in-depth videos/breakdowns cause they are very helpful & truly appreciated 😊

I'd love to see how it runs with Linux!

my 2013 is made in 2018 and contains a e5-2680v2 which perform the same as my M1 macbook air in cinebench r23...

Mine is a CC serial. So I suppose early 2020? I bought it new in 2021 so this makes sense to me.

I wann to see an eGPU supported under Sonoma or Ventura on the Mac 6,1 ! If there is one that could do this its CG !

You also choose way better RAM the MTBF on SKHynix is way higher then the Samsung RAM. Lenovo had Samsung RAM from 2016-2018 but have stopped supplying them because of the high failure rate.

So, any machine manufactured after 2015 will have the graphics card fix already installed? Mine looks to be a 2015 model, from the 18th week (PN) - I have the D700s, and am concerned for their longevity! Any thoughts greatly appreciated!

I have just watched your M1 iMac review of three months ago can I ask your advice I am a amateur photographer I don’t edit videos and I have a chance of buying a base M1 iMac for £700 would this be ok for me or should I buy the M3 any advice would be very appreciated

Is it possible to power a 5k studio display at full resolution with one of these? I’m assuming it would work as long as there’s an eGPU workaround available.

hi, the mac pro im looking to buy has C as the forth letter but that says 2010/2020 so not sure?? thanks

This would make a great Minecraft machine for my son! 😂 my favorite of the doomed Macs!

There are brand new unsold trash can Mac Pro in the after market at much cheaper price. eBay is the last place I would look for.

How to upgrade the GPU Drivers on Windows 10 Bootcamp???

But you are stuck with Monterey or can it take Ventura? Not Sonoma.

If you're buying a D700 version 2018 to 2019 if possible. If they have been running it hot since 2013 most likely D700's are at the end of life.

Why did you choose the 8-core over the 12-core?

I respect your fascination with this particular computer, however wanting another one in 2024 seems a bit disturbing. It still is a dead and inefficient platform with less and less capabilities given the scarcity of software that could be ran on it in the times of disappearing older versions and no physical media to get them from

i just looked at the prices in germany, for some unknown reason they are allmost double..

One thing to mention though, this Mac chassis has awful GPU temps and the GPU can be dead whether it was from the faulty batch or not. So I wouldn't buy any of them older than 2017-2018 (less operating time). Though, anyways, those GPUs are useless and are outperformed by any 100$ GPU you can find on ebay from the last 6 years.

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Interesting project with a lot of good informations, like allways 😊. But….. 480 pounds for aused and old mashine when you can get a M2 mini for 200 bucks more? Yes, the trashbin Mac is way more a nice peace of industrial design!

Can anyone please explain: What is the difference between: ssd, flash ssd, and nvme ssd 😮

ESTA MALO EL CUADRO DE COORDENADAS PARA LA FECHA... A MI ME ESTAN DANDO UN MACPRO 6.1EL PRIMER TRIMESTRE DEL 2012 AÑO QUE AUN NO EXISTIA COMERCIALMENTE EL EQUIPO

There really old, Apple dont use anything until its 5 years old and cheap and say the revolutionary 😂😅😂

I dont know why anyone bothers with these when the 2012 5,1 is so much better and upgradable with standard parts.

So, those guys owned a Mac Pro, but don't know how to make a screenshot in macOS. But they do know how to make a screenshot of a photo in their Photos app, which of course is stored in their Photos app again. Apparently there is no limit on how dumb people can be, even Mac Pro users.

Good value😂

Nice one! That age chart was very interesting and knowing the recall of gpus! What was the adapter for the hdd swap? I bought a hdd replacement back inthe days for almost 500€!! Now looking for second mac pro 2013 since studio use has a place for it 🫣🤩