You should do a list of players that FM did not rate highly who went on to have good careers.

So as a Schalke Fan I can tell the tale of Max Meyer and Ill-advised career choices. Meyer in his last season on Schalke was FANTASTIC. He played in Central Midfield, but besides his lack of height he fought like a lion and didn't shy away from any duel. Just having an all around great fighting spirit that everyone loves at Schalke. Unfortunately for him, it was his last contract year. And being the beast of the player he was in this season, his agent Roger Wittman smelled the big bag of money for his client (and especially for himself). So, they tried to negotiate and nothing ever came out of it. The Fanbase (or the ones I was in contact with at the time) grew inpatient with the club, who had or rather has a reputation to grow young, promising players only to lose them for next to nothing. This all changed when Roger Wittmans famous quote reached the press. He tried to push the price, saying "This is World Class Player Max Meyer we are talking about. He could play at every top European club he wants." (You may have seen this wording in the comments already.) Schalke Fans, again, including myself, began clowning Meyer. We may be desperate, but no single player is bigger than the club. Well, Schalke didn't buy it, too and Meyer left the club the following Summer, only to become one of the prime examples of how greedy agents can really f**k up your promising career.

Would be nice to compare their CA from 2014 and 2022 FMs would give good sense of potential fullfilment :)

In 2015 Luke Shaw broke his lower leg. This is why he didn't have that many matches in those years. Otherwise he might have played over 25+ matches per season from the start of his career I think. Edit: it could have been a career ending injury, glad he still performs at the highest level.

As a die hard Flamengo fan I can tell you Gabigol is always one of my first signs on FM. He is currently having a down season in Brazil and I don't think he will be on Tite's WC side. That being said, he's a great sign in FM, especially if you can get him under £20M. Vamos Mengão ate morrer!!🇧🇷❤🖤

Doria didn't play at the beginning with OM because Bielsa, the coach when he comed to OM didn't want him

Pretty insane that u dont remember Markovic. He was a must sign back then, a rapid winger who could cut it any club, and i remember it going very fast from him being a must sign on fm, to suddenly Liverpool buying him from Benfica, in our friend group we often talked about it as a joke that Liverpool scouting team had a fm save going where Markovic had just won them the cl, so thats why they bought him. Another player i had forgot everything about, KERLON, the seal dribbler. Back in the old fm and youtube compilations day, one of the players i have spend most time watching i think besides Ronaldinho. I was so flabbergasted at his way of dribbling, but there u can talk about someone who didnt become what he was destined too, because of injuries AND I FORGOT EVERYTHING ABOUT DORIA WHAT A BEAST

Deulofeu had a great season last year actually. Maybe doesn’t change the overall opinion of him but imo it would’ve worth a shout

I have missed Goretzka in this list, in my save in fm14, he was the most complete and the best player in the game. Now is wolrd class box-to-box midfilder.

Carlos Fierro is still a beast in FM 14 and FM 15

Doria was actually an amazing signing for me in the Brazilian league in FM22. He has yellow attributes in literally everything, in addition to having no real weaknesses, he can take pens and FKs. Can play both CB and LB too

I remember using luke shaw in FM15. changed his position to a winger, in hope to emulate the next Gareth Bale.

Im pretty sure in FM14 had PA range of 20. So PA “-10” meant 180-200, “-8” = 140-160 Just FYI

My heart still cries for the Yaya Sanogo of Fm12, and then also Lenny Nangis and Carlos Fierro.

Gabriel Barbosa is already an icon in Flamengo. In 2019 he scored a brace in 3 minutes to win us the Libertadores (first one since 1981) at 89 and 92nd minute. He also has been the top scorer in the Brazilian league 3 times. Scored over 100 goals for Flamengo in 4 seasons and is also known as the deadliest penalty taker in Brazilian (maybe south American) football. Loved by Flamengo fans and hated by the other 19 clubs. GABI

I just remember Eder Balanta being great back then

For future FM's (it will never happen, but one can hope) I wish we could load old official databases into the newest version of the game. Would even pay for a "retro DLC" with different databases. I know there are unofficial databases, but the incorrect dates and birth dates annoy me too much on those.

want to see a -10 players only 'what happened to them'

Video idea: A video where you take the top 15 list of the best wonderkids from the earliest FM you have, sim to today, and compare their FM career with their real one.

FM has a lot of swing and misses, but they also identify some greats as well. For all of the misses in FM14, they also highly rated players like Jan Oblak, Raphael Varane, Marquinhos, Sule, Umtiti (damn, there were a lot of good central defender wonderkids in 2014), Luke Shaw, Paul Pogba, Julian Draxler, Raheem Sterling, Jack Grealish, and Romelu Lukaku. A lot of misses, but they also did identify the good ones as well.

Would love to see more of these! And if you do it'd be cool to see the players CA in the current FM as well

Some of these players you can buy still on FM22 and get a great amount of seasons, like Gabriel Barbosa, Deulofeu, Dória. Cause like they still "Young" and can give you 2/3 seasons if well used. I like these videos cause makes me see these players again and get nostálgic.

I read the comments and decided to install it, thanks for the instructions for downloading)

Markovic was a BEAST in Benfica before he was sold to Liverpool but he was devastated by injuries and he never reached the heights that he was destined to. It's a shame, same with Gabigol being a colossal flop in Benfica, but thankfully he really became a beast in Flamengo.

You should do this type of videos more often. Great work 💪

Using Gabriel Barbosa in my Newcastle save on FM22. It’s 23/24 and he’s got 12g13a in the league in January. The guys still got it.

Really love these where are they now videos! I just wanted to add that Aleksandar Mitrovic has became player with most goals for Serbia (and Yugoslavia) national team last year, and this one he had most goals scored in Championship season last year, with 43 goals! Hopefully Fulham will get him better teamates in PL, or he will change club, because it would be shame to not see him at the highest level. And as for Lazar Markovic, he had terrible season in Partizan, he had bunch of injuries that ruined his career and you can see that he never mentally recovered from that. You can see flashes of greatness here and there, but not enought to be in Partizan squad, so he didn't get contract renewal.

FM14 is my first FM. So many memories.

Great video! If you do another like this could you include their current ability in the current FM? Would be interesting to know how far off FM scouts were. Cheers and good work!

Some context about Marković. He was probably one of the best bits of business Benfica has ever made. He was arguably their best player in the 2013/14 season, scoring vital goals like one against Sporting where he dribbled half the team, or a brilliant chip against a club I now can't remember. He legitimely had the world at his feet in 2014 and FM had very valid reasons to rank him as the 9th best wonderkid. Him not playing the Europa League final after having been unfairly sent off in the semi-final was one of the reasons they couldn't win it, they had to start 3rd choice Miralem Sulejmani. You can look it up, there was a fight between players on the bench in which Marković was not involved and he got sent off for that, even after Vučinić, the Juventus player who got sent off as well, admitted Marković hadn't done anything. Benfica then sold him to Liverpool for a lot of money at the time, especially for the Portuguese league. He never quite reached the same heights as he did at Benfica, and now even Benfica fans, who used to love him, hate him because he played for Sporting. It's a sad tale of a player who had everything going for him and just couldn't reach it. Great player in FIFA 14 as well, 87 potential. I loved having him in my team.

I'm shocked you don't know of Lazar Markovic tbh Zealand considering how often you play FM but that might just be me having had a long term Serbia save in 2020 He was a pretty well documented flop in Liverpool's banter era and he's a very strong player in Serbia that's name seems to get floated up every once in a while to play for the national team 23 man squad but never has. Very scary in FM to play against if you are managing a Serbian club other than Partizan or Red Star but then again who that can regularly play for those teams isn't? Also I haven't heard much from him in 1 or 2 years so it's possible his form fell off a cliff

more of this pls!! could make this a series, just using different FM's

Appreciate a sensible evaluation of mitro’s career which is largely impressive - and we adore him at Fulham!! Really interesting vid

deulofeu has had an incredible season this year

16:25 Aged like fine wine.

This list is super interesting and it shows show how many factors besides talent decides a career. You can be the most talented player, but if your head is not right and if you go to the wrong club at the wrong moment it can be really hard. Getting loaned out every year is hard. I think the best path is going to a club like Ajax at a young age, staying there for a few years and then making a transfer to a big club

Great video, would have been even better had we perhaps seen their 2014 CA stats and their 2022 CA stats but just an idea.

Max Meyer is a world class player who can choose between any European top team to play for

Really cool video. Are you gonna make more of these?

I remember i had Dória in a save with Real Madrid. He scored soo many header goals in corners, it was insane. I think he finished several seasons as 2nd or 3rd best goalscorer in the league

Hey Zealand! Congrats for the channel, one of my favorites! I think that ot would be fun a video about CM/FM myths/wierd stuff. I've been playing FM for most of my life now. I've started in the year 2000 as 16 teenanger!! From that time i remember a few gems of wierd stuff: 1) A bulgarian player named Todorov which was a super fast, with 20 pace and acceleration, central midfielder and scored goals as easy as breathe; 2) This Todorov's goals were, in my teams, assisted by an equaly fast Daniel Braaten; 3) But i think the most fascinating, at least in Portugal, was the Tozé Marreco phenomenon. At that time everyone was copiyng the game, and someone share a copy of the game with an edited database where Tozé Marreco was an incredible striker (like CR7) playing in the portuguese 3rd division. This copy propagate and after a few months everyone that played the game, nation wide, was talking about Tozé Marreco. Funny facts: Marreco mean hunchback and Tozé is now the most recent manager of CD Tondela. Like this there are many more CM/FM stories and wierd facts. Keep up the good work!

After watching this video a have to do a save on Schake 04. The talents they’ve produce over the years is insane.

I think it would be great to see a video on the top wonderkid calls from fm

Gabriel Barbosa is so good in FM22. Deep Lying Forward or IF on support from the right side. so filthy. has produced some huge moments for my Spurs save

Zealand please I need to find out how you get your set-up with the shirt number and the way the country and badge are positioned and all that - it looks so good!

I think it's really good idea to make a list of players that pan out differently from fm 5 or more years ago. Example ; player that play CB in FM only to become midfielder in real life. Or someone that has good physical attributes only to become a good technical player.

The workthespace sound bite during #11 was top tier content

This could be series but it would be much more interesting if you had shown a screenshot of players attributes at the start of FM 2014, after 8 seasons on holiday and then compare it with attributes on FM 2022

You should maybe do a list of all -10 potential players over the years. No clue how many there are, would be interested.

It wasn't just FM who hyped Deulofeu. He was supposed to be the next big thing for Barcelona and Spain. At Barça B and Spain U17 to U21 he was a beast. But then he never managed to go the extra mile to actually be Barcelona / National team level.

16:28 Famous last words by Zealand there

A video of how accurate is FM at predicting player potential would be NICE .

it is interesting that Serbia had two players in top15. Next year, we won u21 World Cup and we had so many good wonderkids in that FM.

Your hairline is doing pretty well to say what it was like in 2014. Keep it up Z!

LoL. this is the last FM i played before hiatus and continue to play again in FM21, my saved was Southampton one of the most exiting team back then, Shaw, Clyne, Ward-Prowse, Gaston Ramirez, Chambers, already on the squad, i also bought Van Dijk and Froster which came true in the real world. But until today i still see Shaw and Draxler as a wonderkid, because i know just how good they truly are, they just need another big break.

13:36 saw that

"It's the MLS, it's like Tottenham"... This made my day :D

I remember Doria on FIFA as a 17yo for Botafogo, used to be one of my main buys in every career, even though he started with like 30 pace 😂😂

The Julian Brandt YAAAAA is fucking amazing. And he really is a dashing lad

Doria and Eder Alvarez Balanta - my CB pair in FM14

This video was fun!

Do a list of players who drastically changed from one edition to another. Ashely Cole one game was a crap AMC and then the next game was a really good DL

I realize you were probably too young for these fellas, but you should also ook up Alexandros Papdopoulos, Peter Prospar, Tonton Zola Moukoko, Benedict Vilakazi, Daniel Braaten, Freddy Adu, Guillermo Ochoa, Igor Akinfeev,... they were all wonderkids, some even from before the description of wonderkid even existed in the game.

I was amazed when CSKA managed to by Vitinho. They obviously had a history of developing talent, which is why I think he went there but he just looked like he struggled to settle in.

Maximilian Meyer is a funny case. I'm a Schalke fan and have witnessed all of him. At that time the contracts of our two youth academy stars Meyer and Groetzka expired. Back then, many thought Meyer was the better of the two, and he was. But while Goretzka went to Bayern, Meyer got very cheeky and didn't want to continue at Schalke because the club wasn't big enough for him. At that time we were regularly 3rd in the Bundesliga behind BVB and FC Bayern and ahead of Leverkusen and Leipzig. For that reason alone, the statement was already critical. He then let his contract expire and turned down many offers from other good clubs because he honestly said of himself that he was the best player in the world, he only went to a top 10 club in the world. From then on he was looking for a new club for months, but no top club wanted him. That's why he signed with Crystal Palace and was the laughing stock of all Schalke fans. His career didn't fail because of injuries, lack of potential or poor work ethic. But simply out of excessive self-overestimation.

I mean Mitrovic is Serbia's top goalscorer of all time and he is just 27!

Hope you do the other games if there's enough changes to the list

I'm still playing FM14 to this day, and my go to wonderkids to buy when managing big club are Gabriel Barbosa, Doria, Mario Pugliese, Will Hughes, Eric Dier, Youri Tielemans, Andrija Zivkovic

Starting to wonder if being about to use Work The Space's Julian Brandt clip was partly why this video was made or something...

Please do more of these ... fm12 - fm17

You should make another video like this on FM15 next year.

Very fun idea!

I'm Brazilian and I've never heard of Dória. And you said it right, by the way...

Doria. What a throwback, absolute beast

How can you not know about Markovic, I know you knowledge very good so thid suprised me

Max Meyer gonna be a world class player

What SKIN were those player cards from? And is there an FM2021 version? Those were clean.

markovic had a great season with us at benfica. just one season but he was a joy to watch. in liverpool it seemed he lost the pleasure to play, and all the loans didnt go that well. i am a bit sad for him, because i know how good he was.

Eder Alvarez Balanta was a monster in FM14. The original Colombian wonderkid.

That pronunciation of Dória was very good.

Lazar Markovic! Thats a name for the archives. Remember him on fifa 15

Deulofeu to be fair had bags of ability but had loads of muscular injuries which hampered him massively

FM14 is the game is still play today. I have a save loaded up right now in 2027. Here is how these players turned out: 15. Reyna- not in my database. 14. Deulofeu- 45 caps and 4 goals for Spain. Went to Man City, then Chelsea, then Real Madrid, all in around $27 million. Solid career, a bit better than real life. 13. Mitrovic- Absolute star. All time leading scorer for Serbia at 91 goals and still their top striker at 32. Great in Belgium, then Chelsea. Sold to Monaco where he had three injury shortened seasons and was sold to Norwich in the Premier League where he has averaged 18 goals a season the last five years. 12. Meyer- Sold to Wolfsburg for $10M. Then back to Schalke for $8.5M. Released on a free at 29, never to be heard of again. 11. Brandt- No appearances for Germany. A long career that includes stops Leverkusen, Chelsea, and Roma. But he never scored more than 5 goals in a season. 10. Barbosa- 50 caps and 20 goals for Brazil. Barcelona bought him for $4.4M and loaned him to Stutgart. he played well but only a little for Barcelona. His career took off with a move to Atletico and then Chelsea (they are buying everybody). Sold career that is still ongoing, 9. Markovic- 105 caps and 15 goals for Serbia. Sold to Real Madrid and had a solid career, scoring 41 goals in 196 games. But left on a free to a top Serbian team at the age of 31. 8. Oxlade-Chamberlain- 68 caps and 16 goals for England. He was a rotational player for Arsenal, who sold him to Newcastle who used him as a rotational player and then sold him to a Chinese team. Better for country than club but a decent career nonetheless. 7. Kovacic- 117 caps and 21 goals for Croatia. Inter used him as an AMC and he contributed to 50 goals in three years before he had two injury shortened seasons. But that was good enough for PSG to buy him for $33M. They used him as a central midfielder, so fewer goal contributions but still maintained averaged ratings in the 7.3 range. Milan bought him at 31 for $1.2M and uses him again at AMC with great success. 6. Doria- Love this guy. Bought him in a few saves. Capable at DC, MC, and AMC. 79 appearances for Brazil. Went to Juventus the first Summer and then Barcelona where he is a fixture in the starting 11. Fantastic player. 5. Vitinho- Sold to Porto in 2017 for $11.5M. He retired at some point. 4. Shaw- 26 caps for England. Played well at Southampton. They got relegated to the Championship so he was sold to Celtic. Very nice two seasons with them and then sold to Stoke back in the Premier League. 3. Werner- 143 goals in 437 appearances between Stuttgart, Dortmund, and Frankfurt. 2. Draxler- 6 appearances for Germany. Never left Schalke, made 540 appearances, averaging a 7.2 rating. 1. Marquinhos- 83 appearances for Brazil. Never left PSG, a good career but only averaged a 6.95 rating.

I’m surprised konoplyanka and yarmelenko weren’t here loved them on fm14

As a Schalke fan of 20 years. This video was nearly as painful as the barely missed Bundesliga titles in 2001, 2007 and 2009.

I absolutely LOVE Forward Madison. They play pretty decent football and they have a great fanbase.

Very good enjoyed that 👍

my favorite from back then... - Armindo Tué Na Bangna aka "Bruma" (Portuguese), he was one of my favorite player back in FM15 and also Fifa15. He's young, fast, strong, good at dribbling, good with both foot... part of my Derby rebuild back then. - Sammy Ameobi , another talented winger back in the days, but he never live up to his potential and ends up in championship club. - Danny Welbeck - Alen Halilovic , the so-called "the next messi" (hugely exaggerated). I see him as the rival to Odegaard back then... but oh boy how far has he fallen. - Kaan Ayhan , another (kinda) failed future talent from Schalke.

Luke Shaw really would have been one of the top defenders of our generation for sure, a serious leg break though meant he could never get there, it’s a miracle he’s even as good as he now because he ultimately could have had his career taken from him through those injuries, he admitted he got 2 blood clots from his leg break in 2015 v PSV and could have lost his leg!

do more of these

It's mental how Meyer made his first team debut before his u21 debut

I feel Z may be unaware of Shaw's horrific injury, I feel he would have give him a better review with that knowledge in the fold

Doria's case is interesting, as he arrived very highly rated at Marseille back then. Unfortunately for him, Bielsa was the manager at the time, and he was already beefing with the owners who had sold off the starting cb to Qatar against his wishes. Then when he told them to bring in Alderweireld as the replacement, they showed up with Doria instead. So immediately Bielsa publically told the press he didnt want him, and basically froze him out of the team for the entire year just out of spite. Obviously, this very clearly affected the kid's confidence, especially since he was still so young and arriving in europe for the first time, and he never really fully recovered

As a Liverpool fan, I remember being stoked about their signing of Markovic. Oh, how wrong I was...

Would be interesting to know how players like Jamie Vardy and f.ex. Luca Toni were rated in earlier versions of FM. One thing FM doesn´t have are late bloomers, players largely unknown until they become world famous in their late 20s I have only ever had one in FM and it was mostly because his old club never played him, it´s Daniel Jebbison in FM 22 who got his first cap at the age of 27 after a bargain move to newly promoted Curzon Ashton (my club).

MAKE ONE FOR EVERY YEAR! I NEED MOOORE

You underrate Delofeu, he is a very good player

In Luke Shaw's defense he was quality before the leg break after that he seemed to struggle staying in shape and struggled to see out a game.

Need more of this videos, year by year at least from 2010 or since CM?

Deulofeu rn had a season with 12 goals and 6 assists at Udinese and is now linked to Napoli. So he can maybe get back at least some of his lost potential