please react to Warrior!

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And Train to Busan is also a masterful film

Best line ever : "no- one handed, like Def Leppard!" :)

The best companion piece to Whiplash is Black Swan! go get some

100% agree!

I’m pretty sure he did

Oh yea for sure and Miles Teller should've gotten something too, Simmons actually cracked 2 of his ribs when Teller tackled him.

Just to make it clear.... I know he won. I'm merely saying it was greatly deserved 🤦🏻‍♂️

@@Fozzimodo chill dude ...

Its my number 1 best movie of the decade

@@jonjay2909 its tied at number 1 with Spider Verse for me.

@@ebrahiem7118 spider verse is ass

Endgame??

@@baldguy3951 Sure it's a fun and enjoyable movie but it's not a filmmaking masterpiece or cinema great. But the thing is it doesn't have to be I like them as what they are

And him being on the outside looking in. Chef's kiss.

He knows how all this will probably end

He's realizing he's losing his son to his abuser. The framing boxing him in, or maybe keeping him out reinforces this.

@@wimmywhamwamwozzle wow

The horror in his eyes, the amount of sacrifice it took to achieve such a performance

wtf is that true?

@@arafat9828 And you can add on that Miles Teller had also recently been in an accident himself, with the scars on his neck clearly visible.

@@Rmlohner 😳

Black lightning detective is in the movie too

I like to imagine what he was thinking when that happened. ya think he went like "oh hey- just like in my movie. that's wild." ?

I believe fletchers love of the music was bigger than his ego. He was sad because a great musician passed. In my opinion, he didn't want someone to be "his" Charlie Parker as you mentioned, I believe he wanted a new Charlie Parker for the world. For music's sake. In the end tellers character and fletcher connected because they both wanted the same thing, they wanted to create something new as musicians. Despite their hatred for each other their love of music transcended this. And that final scene where they smile at each other. They both know they've hit a gold mine. The costs of being great in this movie are highlighted with the mc losing an important relationship or fletchers student taking his own life but I think this movie doesn't aim to cast a bad light on greatness but rather show the sacrifices people make to achieve greatness. I think it gets you thinking, seeking greatness and living a normal life can both be just as fulfilling. In living a normal life and giving up on his dream, he loses his chance of exploring his passion and creating something beautiful, while if he continues on his journey for greatness he risks missing out on a normal life, love, a wife, children, stability etc. I believe fletcher was sad with his students death both because he was a good musician but also because he felt his student gave up, he was a lost potential for greatness who could no longer handle that journey. Which unlike Charlie parker came back and rose from the ashes, a phoenix after failing. Tellers character was the Charlie Parker that did not let his failures discourage him and instead came back great to fletchers surprise. It shows that without the sacrifices of great artists we wouldn't have their art. Sure the glory is great, but the music itself has impacted n inspired countless lives. Inspiring many through their art is their service to the world and what all the sacrifices in their personal lives was for, and I think that's what's highlighted more in this film. The lesson I gathered from this film is that endeavoring on the road to greatness must not be done half heartedly or you will suffer, you're either in or out, and when it calls you, you must follow through or forever be haunted by what could have been

thats... not at all why. Fletcher didnt care about his ego. He cared about creating the next great

I'm 8 months late here and I didn't read that novel above me lol, but another part of it is that that's the student we find out later killed himself partly as a result of Fletcher. So all of that plus I imagine he personally felt some guilt about that (even though he'd probably never admit it).

@@will-gp7dd based

@@auntiespancakes2528 that’s a lie he tells himself to condone his behaviour. He clearly cares about his ego in my humble opinion. His ego couldn’t handle not being Charlie Parker, & that’s why he’s so obsessed w finding the next one, so he can take credit for it.

Yea I thought that was obvious. Don’t know why they think Andrew took it.

@callmecatalyst nope

@callmecatalyst How would Neiman know that the Drummer *needs* visual cues? They don't seem to be buddying up at the band, so that information shouldn't really be privy to him. Fletcher tho, as the guy states it "knows it".

@callmecatalyst Fletcher is definitely more likely. We're watching from Andrew's perspective, so we definitely would've found out if it was him.

@@213byron When the crew said "he took it", I took that to mean Fletcher, not Andrew.

Dude, a series about a Sith master and apprentice sounds awesome.

@@dominichumlie The Acolyte is coming out

@@Mehdz03 yea, so so but the acolytes more about girls empowerment thingy...

@@MaxArch Or, it might end up being a great show about a Sith Master and their apprentice.

@@dominichumlie I really hate Disney haven't thought about adapting the Darth Bane trilogy either in film or as a series. It's such a good story. Agubally the most important period in Sith history.

Only a person who hasn't many movies makes that claim. That scene is laughable. You do know he's not really playing drums, right?

@@TTM9691 you know that him not playing drums has absolutely no bearing on whether it's a well made film, right? Acting is just that. Acting. Who sits behind a drum set in reality doesn't affect the tension, drama, acting, editing and entertainment behind the scene. In fact, your statement comes off more as being from someone who doesn't watch or understand movies frequently than mine does, as it shows a crystal clear lack of understanding of the craft. But then again I'm sure you'll come back with some chain about how you are an amateur critic or filmmaker but by that time I'll have forgotten you even exist and be happier for it. So save yourself the trouble

@@joshuabarnett88 It's not a well-made film, Joshua. Obviously you don't know that. And the script is ridiculously stupid in this movie, I don't know anybody could fall for such tripe. I'm a musician (who teaches) and who's also done directing, acting and writing, so I feel like I can judge this movie from both sides, thanks, Josh. The movie is for twits, I don't know else to put it. Every musician I know laughs at this movie. I watched this with another music teacher, and we laughed though the whole thing. Sorry, Josh, music teaching ain't Full Metal Jacket. And yes, I know the whole backstory of this silly movie. Simmons gave a great performance, he just a dopey script. "Whiplash" is for people who are afraid to watch actually good movies. If all you know is dopey franchise movies, yeah, "Whiplash" seems like some kind of amazing film. Oh, and one more thing, Josh? If you make a movie about music? Have real musicians actually play because that unto itself is a stunt. The fact you don't know that this silly, dopey movie is just a lot of faking - which teaches the audience absolutely nothing and makes it boring to anyone who actually knows how to play - kinda shows that you're the last person to weigh in with an opinion about it. My advice is to you is to literally go year by year, going back to the early 1900s, and start watching the history of great movies, then get back to me when you have some taste.

@@TTM9691 your feeling of superiority means less than nothing to me. It's fun how you did exactly what I said you would which is come in with some story about working on films. And none of that means a single thing to me. Drama exists not to always be exactly what it mimics in reality but to be a heightened display of a situation. The movie doesn't need to be the exact accurate representation of teaching music and never once did I say that it was attempting to be accurate. I said it was anxiety driven, well acted, edited and shot, and none of those things are widely disputed. Just because you don't agree with the portrayal and because you acted and directed in what I'm sure what the most brilliant student film ever preciously doesn't make you the authority on Cinema. It makes you another person with an opinion. But I'm not the one needlessly starting a conversation with a stranger that had a different opinion by trying to pick a fight and insulting them weeks after their original post. That behavior it narcissistic and pathetic. And it shows that you lack enjoyment and satisfaction in your life. Do you think that if you had succeeded in either acting, directing or teaching music you might have been happier in life and maybe you wouldn't feel the need to lash out at strangers on the internet? Don't worry, sunshine, someone will come along one day and care that you graduated from playing Happy Birthday on a $200 piano and you can tell them how you're nothing like the big, scary man in the movie! Just like all those clowns who have to tell everyone there not like pennywise and it's ok to hire theny for a birthday party!

@@joshuabarnett88 What are you babbling about, Josh? I'm not even going to read this drivel. Are you unhinged? Listen, kid: the movie is for people who don't know anything about music, nor movies, nor acting. And that's just the way it is. End of discussion. What a geek.

Damn I’ve never thought of the shirt color symbolism, well done👌

Well spotted. I didn't notice that before. Makes me view the film differently.

disagree in the last part about the dad, i think that his dad sees greatness in his son, and the passion he has about it, he realeses the prodigy that his son is, something thathe never saw in the enitre movie, its just stupid to think that his father sees what you think he sees

@@arkham5940 you are wrong in the screen play it is written Jim watches Andrew -- crazed, exhausted, looks like he’s pushing himself past what is safe -- and knows there is no longer anything he can do about it. He has lost.

basically what cutshort said but half assed

It's so oddly specific I think he'd actually do it lmao

@@camthetrashman2386 or had done it before

@@camthetrashman2386 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂

It's the Achilles weakness

I'd hit his ankle from the side, lol almost died laughing

Gives me chills everytime

That movie is even better than American Psychopath

Great movie. Went in blind and then came out so amazed

That takes unhealthy obsession to new heights

FACTSSSS they are so different yet feel so complimentary to each other

YESS. GREAT MOVIE.

I noticed this I totally agree

There is no way it could’ve been Fletcher unless he has the power to teleport or has super speed.

​@SonicPlayer2004 it's def fletcher

Atlanta has a decent episode that talks about this. I'd recommend the series.

@@erikstrasburg6411 thats a fucked up episode and Donald Glover part is crazy i watched with my brother and half part of the episode we both starting asking is this fucking Donald Glover?

(1) You still do not deny Michael Jackson, the artist, which makes your comment quite hollow; and (2) he still forgave his father for what he did, yet you have not -- and he wasn't even your father. This is worth thinking about for like ten years.

@@TheClassicWorld kinda irrelevant buddy. The dude was still abusive to his children, and a shitty guy regardless of whether or not Michael forgave him. If a guy killed someone’s mother, and the mother’s child forgave the killer, does that mean the rest of us should forget what he did as well? Doesn’t work like that.

But there are few to none jazz band directors like that

His gonna raise some mighty fine and healthy kids, Im sure of it.

I’d respect the reverse to that as well.

@@Gino565 the reverse of this is the leading cause of suicide so I don’t know about all that

@@graystark240 you don’t know about respecting someone who puts their goals as their number one priority? Huh? And how exactly is having goals as your number one priority the leading cause for suicide? That’s bullshit.

@@Gino565 I’m talking in terms of raising a family as a parent and the effects of fearing to fail. You raise I good point. I didn’t think about that aspect cause of the previous comments

Well said. It’s quite disturbing really

Yeah, Fletcher only cares about what his students can ultimately do for his own image/ego/career. He wants a Charlie Parker to prove that his methods work, to prove that he was right, to prove his worth as a music instructor and conductor. He doesn't care what happens to Andrew in the future as long as he gets what he needs from him.

In other words, he's a pathological narcissist. To put it in simple terms.

If he only cares about the performance, why would he do something that would make his drummer look like as ass on the stage...that would ruin the performance too .

@@vipuljani8392 Do you not remember his whole Charlie Parker conversation he had with Andrew? Cymbal thrown at Charlie's head because he missed a note. Charlie then doubles down and practices twice as hard, eventually turning him into the legend we know him as today. It's about long-term legacy, not one single performance. Fletcher wants to create his own Charlie Parker so he can cement his legacy as a teacher, so he's willing to do whatever it takes to make that happen--including tormenting these kids and sacrificing some performances to teach them that lesson.

"that ungrateful fucking bat"

I thought the trumpet player killed himself.

@@keenanbartlome8153 It has been awhile since I have seen the movie. I think you're right.

Which who are you to judge is thats a bad thing for andrew. HE made it clear his goal is to be the best and be remembered at any cost (which based on his dinner scene stems from that fact that hes treated as a no one in the family). Who are you to judge that just bc he MIGHT die young means his life was less fulfilling than someone who lived to 100 but never accomplished anything of note?

@@jackbreh2788 you don't need to "accomplish" anything big thing to be happy. Most people live their lives with their family, with a simple job and they are happy.

Excellent synopsis of their relationship

The ending is pretty sad if you think about it. Now Andrew is completely dependent on Fletcher; you can see in his father’s reaction and the way Fletcher freely controls him by telling him how fast to play at the end

I think in the end after Andrew got dismissed from the Shaffer, he threw away his posters and CDs and contacted Nicole, it shows to me he got over his obsession of Fletcher and thus had a healthier relationship with his ambition comparatively in the beginning where we saw him moved his bed to the front of his posters. When he joined Fletcher’s new band, he didn’t practice excessively. We didn’t even see him practice at all. He opened his closet where he kept his drum kit and thats it. He opened his ambition back but different approach this time. When he performed in the last competition, he defied Fletcher and focus on his music, he was leading himself. And that’s what amazed Fletcher; he was there to perform for himself and not for Fletcher.

If Fletcher's Band played a slow jazz piece, they'd be mostly lost. They can play extremely fast tempos at incredibly efficient speeds, but when it comes to emoting, they'd be too scared to show the slightest emotion.

@@erasmus9511 Not true. Neiman came back in an effort to finally impress Fletcher, outright let himself be controlled by Fletcher as shown in him following his conducting throughout his solo, and even smiled when he finally gained his approval. In the end he cast his passion for music and his entire life aside purely to be the next Charlie Parker. His father's reaction, contrary to what many think, is not a reaction of bewilderment or wonder, but actually one of pure horror at the sight of having lost his son. That much is confirmed by both the script and all those involved in the making of the film. Miles Teller even said in an interview that he felt Andrew Neiman would inevitably end up dead underneath a bridge of a drug overdose in his 30s.

and who are we to say its not worth it. That's the beauty of it. A long life lived isnt the same as a worthwhile life lived.

"What's better? To die old and decrepit, dreaming of what was and smelling slightly of urine? Or to go out in a blaze of glory, passing into legend without seeing your thirtieth?" -Dexter 'Dex' Deshawn

@@jackbreh2788 Not really, because I wanna die happy surrounded by my family and the people I love instead of dying drunk, broke, and full of heroin at the age of 34 with all my friends and family rejecting me because of my toxic behavior and my unhealthy obsession to a profession that I was striving to be a master at like those artists who died young because of an abusive piece of shit teacher who forced me to be better out of malice.

@@bubsyfinnigan4462 DeShawn was a piece of shit that the game acknowledged he sucked and threw him away. Thats not the best guy to quote.

@@jackbreh2788 Bruh whats the point of becoming a legend after you die? Are you so longing for attention that you will give up your life for it. That is far more of a hollow existence then a person with years and years of great memories and successes and regrets.

What if the music itself is his happiness if so he'll die a happy man

I'm so sorry that you went through that, I didn't have my father do that but I know he did horrible things to me and my brother, he dragged my brother up the stairs when he was just did something I think just playing something, I have autism and when I've had meltdowns etc my father would blame me, his mother and father would all be the same and not even understand it was never my fault and instead were like "we know you failed/made a mistake or something and so we expect you to be better" or something like that, they'd not be like my mother who understood that it wasn't my fault and that meltdowns are just the same as sezuires, one day my father messed up something where me and my brother were fighting but then calmed down and apologised and made up but he came in got angry and had my brother leave and caused things to get worse and I went into a meltdown and he hit me, punched me across the face and just it was horrible, my entire mother's side of the family all absolutely hate him and despise him, my father always blames my mother for everything even someone who passed away when he went to live in Brighton. He said that she made him do so and blames her for someone who died and he said she made him move from London to Brighton I- sorry for talking about my father, its horrible but I've been taking antidepressants and I've been healing mentally and physically

I am sorry to hear about your experience but also this is so important to share. I was left with education based trauma from teachers (and partly parents) who had somewhat similar methods. Watching this film (especially how Andrew was responding) brought back a lot of memories and was super uncomfortable. I was upset and had nightmares for like a week. I really like your reflections on how the "weakness" was in fact a survival thing. I hope you are doing well.

Your father sounds like a complete failure (I know he his because of what he did to you) - he vented his own frustrations and disappointments on you. It's the most cowardly thing a parent can do to someone with no means of escape. Using you as a punchbag - whether physically or verbally. Pathetic - I personally would throw your dad in jail and swallow the key like he deserves ... the fate of all cowardly bullies.

We have to remember that miles teller’s character isn’t a normal person, for a lot of people they do react the way you do but some people thrive in that environment, he just happens to thrive because he wants to be exceptional. Not trying to invalidate your trauma just saying people work different

W dad tbh made a perfect person, broken. A broken person isn’t really broken but flawed and wants to be fixed. You achieved greatness by pushing yourself for your abusing father. Congrats

Well, not most of it, but some of the wide shots were actually him.

Some shots but they were also dubbed by professionals.

the folder was full of pictures of Spider Man

I remember reading somewhere that it was another section that messed it up. I can’t remember for certain, but I think it was the brass section.

I think it's clear the movie implies he won't be. This is a dark ending masquerading as a happy one.

@@wimmywhamwamwozzle it’s hard to say what the message of the movie is, even regarding fletchers own teachings, it’s hard to say whether the movie thinks it was right or not. There’s also a question asked about whether Andrews pursuit of greatness was worth the things he sacrificed (girlfriend, I guess his mental health somewhat) The movies message itself is completely ambiguous, that’s why it ended right after Andrew essentially perfected, it’s basically just making the viewer decide whether what was shown is positive or negative. Personally I see it as a positive ending, what Andrew wanted was this perfection. I’ll also say that when you say it’s clear the movie implies he won’t be happy, I’d say that’s not clear. I’m assuming u are getting this interpretation from fletchers other student person who became a core jazz player, I think it was Sean Casey or something, the guy who killed them-self. but Sean Casey was never the ‘Charlie Parker’ that fletcher wanted to make, the whole point was that Andrew and Sean Casey were not the same, Andrew made it to the pinnacle and Sean did not, possibly saying that Andrew would not kill himself, and maybe even be happy. Anyway, to me it’s a positive ending.

@@askechadd2473 I don't know. Andrew being more like Charlie Parker, than Sean Casey, is not necessarily a good thing. You should look up Charlie Parker's life. He died at the age of 34 and had at least 2 suicide attempts (also drugs and alcohol problems, like many others like him). Being at the top of an craft, does not necessarily bring happiness. It definitely does not guarantee an happy ending. If you see a movie, that ends with two people getting together, then you'ld probably call it a happy ending. But if you see a movie with an completely toxic, abusive relationship that's falling apart. And it ends with them hooking up again, while hate-fucking each other. Would that seem like an happy end, knowing that it can only end badly? I mean, maybe you'ld say yes, if that's what they want. This movie's ending, definitely seems more like the second scenario.

@@damyr55 well Charlie Parker’s suicide attempts and drug abuse had nothing to do with his music career. He attempted suicide cos his daughter died right? I understand reaching the pinnacle doesn’t always make u happy, I’m just saying that reaching that pinnacle won’t make u kill yourself, that’s not the message of the movie. You say the hate-fucking can only end badly but again that isn’t shown in the movie, being Charlie Parker in the movie seems to be presented as a good thing, if they were trying to present it otherwise, as in present Charlie Parker’s treatment from his teacher as bad, they would’ve brought up some negative consequences of that treatment, at no point do they do that, I think the reason they didn’t is to use Charlie Parker as the positive consequence.

@@askechadd2473 well, the writer disagrees with you, but there's always the death of the author argument

" it is constant maintenance and keeping up with the next best and current trends to where your life is consumed being the top performers." Exactly. Daily, concentrated, long practice is needed to increase and maintain everything from musical ability to athletic ability to math/science skills. I feel people overlook the fact that you won't passively get better at anything without commitment.

Yeah its the non-nuanced take that fame and success as some grand sense of satisfaction

@@alisw81 I imagine it comes with the territory of telling a story, the "happy ending" implies the growth period is over. You end at the the top and there's no more story to tell what happens after. Obviously if you consider real life competition I think most people would realize it but not everybody is thinking of movies from a the real world even if a movie tackles real world themes.

Korra would've done a lot more than tackle him lol

i see you came here from the legend of whiplash XD

Damn never expected a comment like this

Well Hello there @McLovin!

General @@RandomAndysChannel

I don't understand the subtext of this comment. Did i miss something?

@@daddy_.rome0 What?

Ah, Mclovin, RandomAndy! A surprise to be sure but a welcome one !

Thats not too crazy honestly. Given how long it is and how long movie shpooting takes.

@@carlhilber2275 It apparently took only 19 days to shoot.

@@matthewc5747 I see. That is a long time on the other hand.

@@carlhilber2275 19 days to shoot the whole film

me too but i feel like they were kinda close minded

The discussion was almost as intense as the film itself.

Yeah, too perfect... It hooks you like a... HOOK.

It's also asking if the end justifies the end.

I mean its also what Neman wants

okay but Neman got what he was wanted more than anything in life! I bet if Neman had a choice to go back he would do it all over again if it meant it all led to his success the way it does.

Completely agree, I am just glued to the screen for 10 full minutes xD

Watch "Inside Luin Davis", it's even better

@@kraazexjoker1874 Watch "Inside Luin Davis", it's even better

Джон Таргариен *Llewyn Great movie!

Great film!

that film was a major mindfuck on the first watch

Or black swan

Sadly I believe they have all seen that.

He’s mentioned a couple of times in the past that he was in a band-he played sax. Hopefully he couldn’t relate to all the abuse lol

😂

@@helinituhhh "Noooooooooo! It's worse if you don't know!" --Aaron

I mean I’m in an orchestra and my god after watching this movie I was totally scared of my conductor despite he has being a nice dude the whole time and never rage out on us😂😂

One of many remarks he makes that I can’t help but laugh while still being afraid 🤣 “It’s not your boyfriend’s dick don’t come early” is another one 😂

@@SpiderBatFan that might be my favorite roast in the movie, either that or “let’s go with the fucking Irish Pattie McCracker now. You know you actually do look a little like a leprechaun, I think I’m gonna start calling you flannery.”

I'm so jealous. I watched it on my PC and immediately wished that I saw it in theatres

It was amazing watching this in the theatre

@@arafat9828 same 😭 i've watched it soo many times now, but i've never seen it in the theatre 😭

@@jilyui0416 pain

@@arafat9828 this and Bladerunner 2049 I just wish I could go back and see in theaters

Man I love Mad Max

@@sian1000 It's crazy how good it was as the fourth movie in the series and after such a long break. Normally movies like that end up disappointing. Everything just worked so well. The pacing from start to finish, the setpieces, the story woven throughout, the visuals, music etc. What a ride.

@@Yusuku even the quiet and epic moments it is truly insane just how good it was

Adam Sandler shocked everyone with that film… He blew me away with his acting performance

I remember being a sophomore in high school when I dropped band. I wasn't happy and not playing well so I told my teacher I was gonna transfer to something fun like choir or drama. He told me I was flushing my life down the toilet and I'd never amount to anything. What a great man. . .

There are teachers like that in every school.

In Rabbit Hole.

So deserved!!!

Goosebumps every time.