Who Created The UNFORGIVABLE Curses

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Today J dives into the Wizarding World of Harry Potter to reveal WHO invented the Unforgivable Curses: Avada Kedavra, Crucio and Imperio and how they are connected to the Deathly Hallows and Harry himself!
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@AlexMcMonnies
@AlexMcMonnies 11 ай бұрын
Harry actually uses Crucio twice. The second time with a lot more success against Amycus Carrow, when he just so happens to be in possession of the Resurrection Stone as part of the snitch. Yeah, I think you might be onto something here...
@Cllocopine
@Cllocopine 11 ай бұрын
I said the same thing. He used it in the Ravenclaw tower after Amycus Carrow spat on professor McGonagall. He also used imperio twice because he used it both on Bogrod the goblin and on the death eater that went into the ministry with Ron and Hermione, Travers, after he got suspicious.
@jtpadilla1
@jtpadilla1 11 ай бұрын
I was literally about to bring this up… everyone seems to forget this.
@OFFICIALLYBENPEARCE
@OFFICIALLYBENPEARCE 11 ай бұрын
@@jtpadilla1 yet you were the second person to mention it on this thread alone the others..... stop saying "everyone seems to forget this" to try and flaunt your expert knowledge of words written down....
@sheikhgamer007
@sheikhgamer007 11 ай бұрын
​@@Cllocopine in the movie or book?
@jtpadilla1
@jtpadilla1 11 ай бұрын
@@OFFICIALLYBENPEARCE I apologize…I appreciated that you brought it up because it wasn’t brought up in the video…i was not attempting to flaunt knowledge of anything. In the future I’ll make sure not to reply to anything you have to say since it somehow turned into this. But have a good day all the same.
@ericmiller93
@ericmiller93 11 ай бұрын
Barty Crouch Jr. really was one of the best professors Harry ever had. Dude just couldn’t help himself. He broke school rules to show the students unforgivable curses and that knowledge was invaluable to them throughout the series. Dude just could’ve shut up and played a movie all class, but no….
@raziele92
@raziele92 11 ай бұрын
To be fair he didn't just break school rules. He literally broke the law.
@riluna3695
@riluna3695 11 ай бұрын
As it turns out, Dumbledore gave him express permission to teach those curses to the kids two years early (likely specifically because of Harry and the recent escape of Pettigrew). Our source for this is, admittedly, Barty himself, but with how excitedly the students were talking about the lesson to anyone and everyone, there's no way that news didn't get around to some of the other teachers, and thus to Dumbledore. So it's excessively likely that he did indeed tell Moody to do this (not knowing it wasn't the real Moody), or else heard the news that Moody broke the rules but decided to intentionally keep quiet about it (which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but still more than him never getting caught at it to begin with)
@eomoran
@eomoran 11 ай бұрын
Dumbledore might have given permission to teach the spells, probably not to use them on the students. But imperio is largely harmless
@riluna3695
@riluna3695 11 ай бұрын
@@eomoran Yeah, learning to fight the Imperius Curse in a safe, controlled environment is....honestly a really great lesson for Defense Against the Dark Arts. The other two, you can't really do the same way, but you can at least inform people of them. (Though it's usually reserved for 6th years, rather than 4th)
@D34671
@D34671 11 ай бұрын
yeah, shame about all the deception and murder
@connerryan9151
@connerryan9151 10 ай бұрын
Minor correction - Harry actually used an unforgivable curse a third time. Before the battle of Hogwarts Harry uses the Cruciatus Curse on Amycus Carrow in anger after Amycus spits in Minerva McGonagall’s face. Unlike his first attempt on Bellatrix, Harry’s second use of the curse is fully successful, in part because he uses Bellatrix’s advice about “really meaning it. You need to want to cause pain.”
@ravenouself4181
@ravenouself4181 7 ай бұрын
Completely justifiable
@MarcelScars
@MarcelScars 6 ай бұрын
@@HaicrysThunder he did use imperio during the Gringotts heist in the books too, a few times actually. He uses it on the bank teller goblin that requests Bellatrix's wand as confirmation of her identity to prevent their cover from being blown and on the death eater that went into the bank with them, thinking that Hermione was Bellatrix. When questioned about the wand, Hermione in disguise, said that the wand she had was new, which raised red flags for the goblin teller, who was aware that both the wand that was presented was Bellatrix original wand and that said wand had been stolen, and for the death eater who knew that bellatrix couldnt have gotten a new wand because he knew that the death eaters had captured Mr. Ollivander and that he was, later, rescued by dobby and company, so there was no one to make Bellatrix a new wand, so Harry used the Imperious curse on both of them to gain access to the Lestrange vault, as otherwise they would have been detained. He used the curse again on the goblin after they pass throught the Thief's Downfall, which washed away the effects of the polyjuice potion and the imperious curse
@inimitablebooksllc
@inimitablebooksllc 6 ай бұрын
The video says he used 2 of the 3 unforgivable curses, not that he only used unforgivable curses 2 .
@marineplatoon1
@marineplatoon1 5 ай бұрын
makes sense, mcgonagall was in a lot of ways like harry's surrogate grandmother
@fleetstreet11
@fleetstreet11 5 ай бұрын
Palpatine: "Join the dark side, Harry my boy. We have cookies." What? Don't ask me how Palpatine's at Hogwarts.
@e.Kab.
@e.Kab. 6 ай бұрын
I've always thought of the three curses as The three answers or the three anthesis to the deathly hallows... The killing curse to stop the elder wand, The torture curse to cause the pain and anguish the dead feel when brought back, and finally the curse to make one do your bidding...the only way to make a person, who cannot be found, reveal themselves...it's quite poetic
@Guntherson220
@Guntherson220 5 ай бұрын
This feels almost too fitting.
@cassettetape7643
@cassettetape7643 5 ай бұрын
I like this interpretation too
@juliaspoonie3627
@juliaspoonie3627 4 ай бұрын
I agree, this feels like the perfect explanation!
@Elamado97
@Elamado97 4 ай бұрын
So you would have to cast the spell before the guy cloaks himself for him to be under your spell, that makes sense. Dumbledore also used the elder wand when fighting voldy and kinda won so idk about that one but other two makes sense
@jessicamarsh9779
@jessicamarsh9779 3 ай бұрын
This is one of the absolute best theories I think I’ve ever read! I love it!
@torazely
@torazely 11 ай бұрын
I think Tom wanted to prove thst Harry was ACTUALLY dead. This kid has already survived a death attempt once before, and the twins cores has made him fairly resistant to Voldemort's spells in the past. So by using Cruxio on his body, Voldemort is proving that Harry is really dead, thus show8ng his own power in beating the one person who could defeat him, as well as proving that he truly was master of the Elder Wand and overcoming the twin cores.
@Cailus3542
@Cailus3542 11 ай бұрын
It was actually the third time that Voldemort had cast the supposedly unbeatable killing curse at Harry. To be fair to the guy, he wasn't taking anything for granted at that point. Of course, he could've just Transfigured a branch into a sword and cut Harry's head off, but...well, old Voldy never was one for cheap and easy solutions.
@torazely
@torazely 11 ай бұрын
@@Cailus3542 yeH, but the second attempt didn't even connect with Harry thanks to the twin cores, so I wasn't counting that one. And Tom's biggest weakness, above all else, was his dependency on magic. His wizard's-only biases caused him to drastically ignore more muggle routes that could have been easier. He could have just chucked baby Harry out of the window when killing him the first time. Could have just bought a gun and gunned the family down. There's a lot of more mundane things he could have done, but he views muggles as such lesser creatures that those ideas don't even cross his mind.
@supervegito2277
@supervegito2277 11 ай бұрын
@@Cailus3542 Hes VERY theatrical.
@tracyroweauthor
@tracyroweauthor 11 ай бұрын
@@Cailus3542 I would think that cutting Harry's head off would not have the same effect on the wizards at Hogwarts as carrying his limp body. Bringing Harry's severed head with him would have been way to gruesome and definitely NOT a way to convince them of joining his ranks.
@ericosb4503
@ericosb4503 11 ай бұрын
@@torazely The curse is supposed to be unlivable and unblockable. Harry has both lived and blocked it.
@the_vik_king
@the_vik_king 11 ай бұрын
I always thought it was strange that Dumbledore called all three brother "powerful and dangerous" not just the first one
@princess_mj4396
@princess_mj4396 11 ай бұрын
Well in a way all powerful people are dangerous, I'm sure Dumbledore would not hesitate to admit that he himself is dangerous by the amount of skill he has.
@FoxyGuyHere
@FoxyGuyHere 11 ай бұрын
@@princess_mj4396 Yeah, Dumbledore thinks himself dangerous as well
@johnhenley7349
@johnhenley7349 11 ай бұрын
@@FoxyGuyHere but would he consider someone like McGonagall or Shacklebolt to be dangerous? He considers himself dangerous not because of his power, but how easily he gives in to temptation, for more information, see book 6. Although that does explain (to me) how the wisest of the three brothers invented the most unforgivable of the three curses.
@letsgamingde420
@letsgamingde420 11 ай бұрын
"With great power comes great responsibility", that's because everyone with great power can be dangerous and it's their responsibility to use that power wisely
@brandondanaher5648
@brandondanaher5648 11 ай бұрын
@@johnhenley7349 ​​⁠ okay so are you saying the brother who invented the invisibility cloak, or the elder wand was the wisest?
@fubiscuit7438
@fubiscuit7438 9 ай бұрын
I find it interesting that the names of the brothers start with the same letters of the spells they supposedly created. Antioch created 'A'vada Kedavra, Cadmus created 'C'rucio, and Ignotus created 'I'mperio.
@kukui1679
@kukui1679 7 ай бұрын
i found that interesting, too. following that line of thinking, along with SECTUMSEMPRA being invented by severus snape, i think lucius malfoy invented LEVICORPUS. it was in vogue while james and snape were in school and i believe lucius is was at hogwarts at the same time as them but in an older year. also, lucius and the other death eaters used levicorpus on muggles after the quidditch world cup so it feels like it's his personal style of dark arts spell.
@pocholopiolozartiga124
@pocholopiolozartiga124 7 ай бұрын
@@kukui1679 Levicorpus was also invented by snape.
@lightheart44
@lightheart44 7 ай бұрын
Didn't Herpo the Foul create the 'H'orcrux?
@ambiverter
@ambiverter 5 ай бұрын
@@pocholopiolozartiga124That's not confirmed, and most likely Snape just figured out the incantation of an already popular non-verbal spell
@pocholopiolozartiga124
@pocholopiolozartiga124 5 ай бұрын
@@ambiverter Perhaps, but it can't also be ruled out that he might indeed invent the spell.
@jameslars7391
@jameslars7391 9 ай бұрын
I have always liked the theory that Avada Kadavra was actually invented as a healers tool something along the lines of " We need a way to give someone a peaceful death because we can't save them and they are suffering" I don't have a lot of proof that it was the case other than its quick painless and doesn't leave any mark on the body. The fact that it has been perverted into such an evil curse would be such interesting and cruel irony as well.
@Omizuke
@Omizuke 8 ай бұрын
That would actually make sense since "the killing course" it's not the only magic that can kill. What Molly used wasn't that. And it killed just the same. I believe it was probably magic used to kill livestock. Like whatever wizards use on the chickens, cows or pigs. So Molly would be familiar without been seen as evil. Plus the explosive, slashing, burning etc magic that can also kill a human. However, the killing course gives a quick and painless death. Seem less evil and more clean than I don't know. Blowing up your opponent.
@Deathstroke471
@Deathstroke471 7 ай бұрын
But doesn’t the user need to have a strong intent to kill, that’s why not everyone can use avada kadavra easily, how can a healer have such an intent even if their goal is to prevent someone from suffering.
@jameslars7391
@jameslars7391 7 ай бұрын
@@Deathstroke471 intent to kill is not the same as a hatred for someone. You are intending to the the person but out of mercy.
@Deathstroke471
@Deathstroke471 7 ай бұрын
@@jameslars7391 I guess that makes sense. But doesn’t avada kadavra translates to ˋI destroy as I speak‘. Why should a healers tool mean that?
@petrkubik810
@petrkubik810 7 ай бұрын
@@Deathstroke471 But actually actually, Snape uses killing curse on Dumbledore, within the ''setting'' of mercy killing. And honestly we know that he is very talented wizard which have experiences with dark magic so he could brought himself to the emotinal state at which he knew it would work, but I think this is also another video on this channel.
@Gfreak250
@Gfreak250 11 ай бұрын
My personal headcanon is that in the Wizarding world, Avada Kedavra was at one point witnessed by a Muggle, passed down by them as a word associated with real magic, then was oversimplified with time into Abra Kadabra.
@KlockoFett
@KlockoFett 11 ай бұрын
I tend to agree. Little known "fact": Avada Kedavra wasn't banned until the Wizarding world heard Steve Miller Band singing it in a crappy late 70's/early 80's song. Ok, my fact it a joke, but it's part of my headcanon either way.
@Gfreak250
@Gfreak250 11 ай бұрын
@@KlockoFett No, but that would be pretty funny
@kekumontgomery192
@kekumontgomery192 11 ай бұрын
Fun fact Abra kedabra means I create as I speak and avada kedavra means I destroy as I speak
@valentinmitterbauer4196
@valentinmitterbauer4196 11 ай бұрын
Knowing that in reality people managed to mishear "Hoc est enim corpus meum" (For this is my body) and made it into "Hocuspocus", this sounds plausible.
@Bradferd333
@Bradferd333 11 ай бұрын
@@KlockoFett I'm not big on that song, but Steve Miller slays otherwise!
@PanBookworm
@PanBookworm 11 ай бұрын
Day 12 of politely asking the brothers to do a what if Sirius took Harry the night his parents died, therefore not going after Peter, and Harry was raised by Sirius instead of the Dursleys?
@SuperCarlinBrothers
@SuperCarlinBrothers 11 ай бұрын
Oooo thats a good one
@PanBookworm
@PanBookworm 11 ай бұрын
@@SuperCarlinBrothershey brother!! Thanks!
@aidancoleman1288
@aidancoleman1288 11 ай бұрын
​@@PanBookworm Heeeeeeeeeey Brrrooooooother!
@kingbouncer1314
@kingbouncer1314 11 ай бұрын
Didn't Harry need to stay specially with his aunt, to carry on the protection of love his mother gave him? I'm Fuzzy on the details but he had to be able to call the dursleys home his home in order to keep the spell alive.
@ashleeknowlton5805
@ashleeknowlton5805 11 ай бұрын
​@@kingbouncer1314yeah but like, Sirius didn't know that.
@missoona7130
@missoona7130 10 ай бұрын
The killing curse and the imperius curse actually kinda sound like something that could be used in medicine/hospitals. Giving fast and painless go to someone or someone, who is a danger to themselves or others can be controlled without physical force, with a spell that feels peaceful to them
@josephvallejos6122
@josephvallejos6122 4 ай бұрын
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@Applemangh
@Applemangh 11 ай бұрын
I've always wondered what the process of spell creation is like. For example, Snape is the inventor of the Sectum Sempra curse, yet Harry can use it without actually knowing what it's meant to do just by using the words. So are spells really invented, or are they more "discovered"?
@davadow8558
@davadow8558 5 ай бұрын
I heard someone say they come from the root language of the language they are speaking (for us being Latin, because most of our words have Latin roots
@cassettetape7643
@cassettetape7643 5 ай бұрын
Bit of both I imagine...
@tacticallemon7518
@tacticallemon7518 4 ай бұрын
i imagine it being more like reverse-engineering a spell from what you intend for it to do into say latin and wand flicks Sure, you “make” the spell by figuring out the exact wand movement and spoken words
@Musikur
@Musikur 4 ай бұрын
Same way you "invent" a mathematical rule or formula. For instance, calculus was invented by someone, but it's also a universal truth, so I guess it's both invented and discovered depending on your interpretation.
@djeff37a
@djeff37a 4 ай бұрын
@@davadow8558except English is not a Romantic (Latin). It is Germanic which happens to have a lot of borrowed words and phrases from around the world
@v.v365
@v.v365 11 ай бұрын
I honestly thought the little voice in the back of Harry’s brain during the Imperius curse was Voldemort’s soul being defiant, also it would be harder controlling a person with two souls
@jeremiahhill8125
@jeremiahhill8125 11 ай бұрын
I was just gonna say the same thing. I never really thought of it as a Harry is better than everyone moment.
@Dragonxmaster16
@Dragonxmaster16 11 ай бұрын
They have done a different theory on how Harry was able to throw off the Imperious Curse so easily, and consistently, in a different video. It boils down to, "Harry never blindly listens to authority."
@yaacovyoung
@yaacovyoung 11 ай бұрын
@@Dragonxmaster16 I like the thought that Harry's life is so turmoiled, that the bliss of the Imperius Curse is so foreign to him that he knows something is wrong
@sedaotieno
@sedaotieno 11 ай бұрын
Exactly... & since we know Voldemort was an absolute BEAST at legilimency, I'm sure he'd have recognized the fingerprints of someone else inside a mind that he was connected to (remember by this point, Harry's already felt the mind connection and seen out of Nagini's eyes).
@ked49
@ked49 10 ай бұрын
@@sedaotieno yet snape proves otherwise
@winterwine460
@winterwine460 11 ай бұрын
Ive always wondered why Antioch was murdered without magic in order to steal the Elder wand. And now it makes sense - because no one else really would’ve known the killing curse aside from them
@nickankhazali2995
@nickankhazali2995 11 ай бұрын
The guy who stole the Elder Wand slit his throat. The story said so.
@Alex-cw3rz
@Alex-cw3rz 11 ай бұрын
I always thought this also meant that the elder wand lost it's ultimate power at that point as the wand was not won in a duel it was stolen.
@winterwine460
@winterwine460 11 ай бұрын
@@nickankhazali2995 i know thats what im saying. Why wouldnt the thief just use the killing curse? Its easier, less messy, and leaves no trace. Its because they didnt know the killing curse, because Antioch created it
@daredarrow6704
@daredarrow6704 11 ай бұрын
​@@winterwine460 or it wasn't created then... That's a possibility
@yawninglion1677
@yawninglion1677 11 ай бұрын
The only question I have is, in that case, how did people learn the curse? If it died with Antioch before anyone could learn it?
@nigelfrom6000bc
@nigelfrom6000bc 4 ай бұрын
"Emotional pain demands to be felt" THAT HIT HARD!!
@zaab-yaoh9302
@zaab-yaoh9302 18 күн бұрын
It’s not that deep calm down
@scottrjmatmsncom
@scottrjmatmsncom 6 ай бұрын
Could Harry's relationship to the Peverl brothers be helpful in being able to resist the curses? His mom's love is still playing a factor but the brothers being a grandfather and great uncles could be contributing factors on why he is able to resist the curses.
@LawrenceHanson2
@LawrenceHanson2 3 ай бұрын
Grandfathers? Lol. Missing a few 'greats' there.
@coolnerdlll6053
@coolnerdlll6053 11 ай бұрын
I'm anxiously awaiting a Tales of Beedle the Bard movie. Imagine an anthology film with each story getting about 30 minutes, possibly even with Michael Gambon or Jude Law narrating.
@LLawlietisdead
@LLawlietisdead 11 ай бұрын
😊
@alexpickles1674
@alexpickles1674 11 ай бұрын
Id love this done like Star Wars visions or love death and robots
@a.r11384
@a.r11384 11 ай бұрын
That would be amazing only if it’s an animation
@kenhammscousin4716
@kenhammscousin4716 11 ай бұрын
Don't hold your breath
@decb
@decb 11 ай бұрын
Or Emma Watson reading them, with futhorc script of the story down one side of the screen
@wolfboy7778
@wolfboy7778 11 ай бұрын
As far as connecting the three brothers and three curse there is something you only really barely touched on. If we look at the three Hallows and how they're used, we have a wand that is constantly killed for, the stone causes so much pain when resurrecting someone, and the cloak is used not only by Harry, but also James to go around the school. The third one, I think, is the most important for the theory; The cloak allows at least two students and their friends to freedom, the ability to go where they want, when they want, do what they want to do. The cloak is them taking their will into their own hands...just like the Imperious curse, putting your will in your hand and then taking the next step of forcing it on someone else.
@tomusoker1
@tomusoker1 10 ай бұрын
Really smart
@lisahenry20
@lisahenry20 10 ай бұрын
I do love how it feels like whenever there is a group of 3 things in the wizarding world, this channel seems to attribute it to the 3 brothers
@jenx5870
@jenx5870 10 ай бұрын
Right? No magic was invented, or occurred, before those three came on the scene.
@rickybaker42
@rickybaker42 5 ай бұрын
Yeah that’s pretty much why I don’t buy it
@magumaron9597
@magumaron9597 4 ай бұрын
​@@jenx5870 The answer maybe yes you know in the tale they show how clever and powerful those 3 by use magic to create the bridge so I think at their time event the magic to levitate things to make complicated objects like bridge is hard
@wanderingseer4354
@wanderingseer4354 11 ай бұрын
I think that the 2nd Peverell brother wanting to humiliate death lines up well with the cruciatus curse being used to torture defeated enemies.
@sav1726
@sav1726 11 ай бұрын
9:51 I had previously assumed that he cast the cruciatus curse to make sure that Harry wasn’t alive, because no living think could go through the pain without any reaction.
@Mutski1579
@Mutski1579 10 ай бұрын
That's precisely what happened. He kills Harry, then sends a death eater to check the corpse. Narcissa checks if Harry is dead and mutters quietly for a moment, making Voldemort sus. Not convinced that Narcissa is telling the truth, he decides to cruciatus Harry 3 times to confirm for himself. Showing off in the process was pure power politics. 😊 EDIT: According to the books. I still haven't seen the last 3 movies. 😊
@aptennisstar
@aptennisstar 11 ай бұрын
Don’t forget Herpo the Foul and Horcrux both with “H!” Although I guess we don’t technically know the exact spell used to create it, seems to match!
@khaledsakr13
@khaledsakr13 11 ай бұрын
Dumbledore - Deluminator
@SabbyCat52
@SabbyCat52 11 ай бұрын
​@@khaledsakr13not to mention the twelve uses for Dragon blood.
@petrmaly9087
@petrmaly9087 11 ай бұрын
Exactly, that was my thought as he started naming the people and the spells.
@mauriciosmit1232
@mauriciosmit1232 10 ай бұрын
Maybe he is not the creator of either, but there is a connection between Ekrizdis (the inhabitor of Dementor-infested azkaban) and Expecto Patronum (the only spell effective for defending from them).
@Formallyknownashandle
@Formallyknownashandle 9 ай бұрын
Not only am I convinced, but impressed how you laid it all out! J.K. Rawlings has a much more deeper imagination than I ever gave her credit for.
@cookie1138
@cookie1138 3 ай бұрын
All that imagination and no room for tolerance.. so sad actually.
@goodgoyim9459
@goodgoyim9459 3 ай бұрын
@@cookie1138 how shallow and ignorant.
@stonedsour9140
@stonedsour9140 2 ай бұрын
Very wise answer. Let's just cut off our organs to transform into something we can never be. /S
@izzysmith105
@izzysmith105 11 ай бұрын
I think the Imperius curse is kind of like hypnosis - It puts you into a kind of suggestive trance, and once you are in that blissful 'sleep' the person casting the spell can 'suggest' ideas and actions to you, which you just blindly follow because of the trance. But it's not foolproof, because people can reject these suggestions.
@Phlorochyll
@Phlorochyll 8 ай бұрын
"You should go kill Dumbledore." "Nah, I think I'm gonna sit down and have dinner..." "YOU SHOULD GO KILL DUMBLEDORE." "But I'm HUNGYYYYYYYYY" "Forget it"
@nickconnor1608
@nickconnor1608 8 ай бұрын
@@Phlorochyllthis made me laugh hard 😭😭😭😂
@Elamado97
@Elamado97 4 ай бұрын
That makes sense as the people of the time when these curses were created were simple people
@DrDipsh1t
@DrDipsh1t 4 ай бұрын
Pleasure and pain are the motivators of all decision making in life. Pain can drive people and creatures to do awful things, however it can still be repelled (longbottoms). Pleasure/bliss lowers your defenses, reinforces behavior. "spare the rod, spoil the child", "carrot or the stick" are both common sayings that refer to behavior modification through uses of pleasure or pain, generally in the context of favoring using pleasure.
@ashleeknowlton5805
@ashleeknowlton5805 11 ай бұрын
I love how this is technically a fan theory that builds on another of their fan theories, but we all just kind of accept it like it's cannon.
@breewoodward3651
@breewoodward3651 11 ай бұрын
Which is that you're talking of?
@whisperinwind87
@whisperinwind87 11 ай бұрын
@@breewoodward3651 I think he refering to the "who created the veil" video they mentioned
@petrusdeandrade1108
@petrusdeandrade1108 11 ай бұрын
All their theories are fan theories built on other fan theories hahah
@ashleeknowlton5805
@ashleeknowlton5805 8 ай бұрын
@@whisperinwind87 yup!
@joshg6491
@joshg6491 11 ай бұрын
It's amazing how the Fandom does 80% of the lore work for JK Rolling
@raydafuq3570
@raydafuq3570 11 ай бұрын
Well we kinda have to to keep loving it. Too many holes in the story like where Muggles come from and generally Magic.
@user-np7rb9ip6s
@user-np7rb9ip6s 11 ай бұрын
​​@@raydafuq3570 I'm pretty sure the origin of Muggles is pretty self-explanatory. And people just randomly found out they had magic due to some glitch in the ol' genome or something.
@raydafuq3570
@raydafuq3570 11 ай бұрын
@@user-np7rb9ip6s you're pretty sure? Dude Muggles aren't explained. Why talk if you don't know? And that is one of countless things. I could go deep why Muggle are everything but explained and it makes no sense why people hate them.
@user-np7rb9ip6s
@user-np7rb9ip6s 11 ай бұрын
@@raydafuq3570 They don't need to be. We are the muggles. Muggles come from monkey. They evolve to not have magical abilities. Due to superstition they marginalised eachother and Wizardkind. Muggles are literally us they don't need to be expanded upon since what room is there? "Where did Muggles come from?" Isn't that obvious? Search up "Human Evolution."
@_Whendovescry_.
@_Whendovescry_. 10 ай бұрын
@@raydafuq3570 maybe its from back when witches were burned ?
@kadmodir
@kadmodir 11 ай бұрын
On the subject of the invisibility cloak being more effective for harry, i think it's because in the tale of the three brothers, the wand is taken by force, the stone is lost when cadmus killed himself (so no tradition on using it), and finally the cloak it was "given", passed down willingly to their successor, i think that plays a big part in the cloak's magic, it's given willingly
@princessichigo3115
@princessichigo3115 5 ай бұрын
I died laughing at 7.47. The way he quoted Bellatrix in her voice. Perfect amount of deranged enthusiasm mixed with comedy
@eliotshoffner
@eliotshoffner 11 ай бұрын
So if the Peverell brothers possibly created the Hallows, the Unforgivable Curses, and the Veil and the other artifacts (won't ruin it for those who haven't watched the video), can we officially say the Peverell brothers are the most powerful wizards of all time? At this point, I can't come up with any argument against it except Harry mastering Death. But that's it.
@Cailus3542
@Cailus3542 11 ай бұрын
There is a difference between power and intellect. The Peverells were brilliant artisans, likely among the very best, but that doesn't mean that they were also monstrously powerful. Hermione is an example of this. She's a genius, one of the most brilliant witches of her generation, and I can easily see her being a great theoretician and magical artisan. Her actual magic has never been shown to be especially powerful, however, unlike some others, such as Harry himself.
@rationaltrekker2509
@rationaltrekker2509 11 ай бұрын
Most powerful or most talented? That's something people mix up, I think. even in the stories. The difference can be important. Hermione is very talented and clever, but she has a much harder time with a patronus, which actually requires magical strength to conjure and maintain. Barty Crouch Jr., I suspect, displayed both talent and power when he hoodwinked the Goblet of Fire.
@carla05cw
@carla05cw 11 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure Merlin is generally considered the best, but maybe that's public knowledge only
@eliotshoffner
@eliotshoffner 11 ай бұрын
@@Cailus3542 I agree with what you're saying, I would just counter that you would have to be both extremely talented and immensely powerful to create the Deathly Hallows, other powerful magical artifacts, and the three most dangerous spells. Someone who is talented with potions or herbology may not be specifically powerful, but I think in this case the brothers would have to be
@nonavailable1755
@nonavailable1755 11 ай бұрын
In my head-canon the resurrection stone and the veil are both parts of the same artifact. The stone pulls the spirits of the dead through the veil back into the living world.
@hyped_kripou9701
@hyped_kripou9701 11 ай бұрын
"jump onto the desk" "Nah" Clearly Harry is naturally skilled at... *Being disobedient*
@ssphantasmagoria
@ssphantasmagoria 7 ай бұрын
I legit LOVE what you guys have come up with in each of these HP theories. The alternate theories are some of my favorites and give a much richer story. Keep it up!
@dustincarroll4683
@dustincarroll4683 11 ай бұрын
it would also make sense that harry could both cast and resist the imperious curse on the first try as more then likely the imperious curse was a family trade secret for generations and Ignotus's descendants would more then likely develop a natural affinity and or resistance for there family's trademark spell just like how they can naturally utilize the invisibility cloak to further affect then most.
@gabbodelaparrawrites
@gabbodelaparrawrites 11 ай бұрын
I always thought he resisted Fake Mad Eye Moody's Imperious curse thanks to the part of Voldemort inside him. The horcrux defending itself.
@lucasgonzales4260
@lucasgonzales4260 11 ай бұрын
But isn't that after Voldemort just KILLED the horcrux?
@chiefgitsu
@chiefgitsu 11 ай бұрын
@@lucasgonzales4260 no, that was in Goblet of Fire, before Voldy returned.
@gabbodelaparrawrites
@gabbodelaparrawrites 11 ай бұрын
@@lucasgonzales4260 The one when they were doing it in class with the fake Mad Eye Moody. He was still a horcrux then.
@rationaltrekker2509
@rationaltrekker2509 11 ай бұрын
While that fragment of Voldemort's soul in Harry might have played some role, it wasn't the key to Harry's resistance. The key to Harry's resistance was his own psychology. Consider how much Harry had been bullied by the Dursleys, especially his uncle (not to mention Aunt Marge). Some people would have responded to that abuse by becoming abusers in their own turn, but not Harry. He learned empathy from it. He learned that he did not want to be or even try to exert mastery over anyone - not even a house elf. ( In this regard we can compare Harry to Faramir, Sam, and Tom Bombadil in "Lord of the Rings." ) When Harry uses the Imperius curse at Gringott's , gaining power over someone is not what he wanted. He just wanted to carry out his plan and needed people out of the way long enough to allow that. Harry seeks to be his own master, but no one else's. The part about being his own master is what allows him to overcome the Imperius Curse.. Think about the conversation he has with the voice inside ordering him to jump up on the desk. J quotes it in the video here and I think it's important. His own thinking represents nothing more than not allowing someone else to master him. There's no hint of trying to turn the tables. Just, a "no, I don't think I will, thank you." In fact, that scene very much foreshadows (however subtly) Harry becoming the master of the Deathly Hallows.
@gabbodelaparrawrites
@gabbodelaparrawrites 11 ай бұрын
@@rationaltrekker2509 Well. in my head canon every time Harry is saved by seemingly extraordinary forces is the Horcrux defending itself.
@Restryouis
@Restryouis 11 ай бұрын
As a support for this theory, Dumbledore says that the true power of the Invisibility Cloak is to protect others, not the owner. So, when Harry uses Imperio on the goblin, he does so to protect others. Using it for its intended purpose and managing to cast it almost perfectly on his first try.
@magarinemarmeladen647
@magarinemarmeladen647 11 ай бұрын
Further more as i understand it Harry is the or a desendent of the 3. brother so the usw of Impirio would be in his nature.
@juansantana7407
@juansantana7407 5 ай бұрын
This was by far my favorite of your videos. Incredibly insightful fellas! Such a dope channel with two of the most creative, talented minds answering all the questions I didn’t know I even had lol. A billion thank you’s. You’re the Manly P. Halls of my favorite childhood stories.
@sheevpalpatine2418
@sheevpalpatine2418 9 ай бұрын
Also like the resurection stone is an insutl to death because you bring someone back, the cruciatus curse is an insult because it doesnt kill someone meaning death does not get what he wants even if the person getting tortured wants to die
@BrettsThoughts
@BrettsThoughts 11 ай бұрын
Ah thanks for sharing the theory! It was great hearing you dive deeper into it and flesh it out - the way it all links to Harry and how he uses them is so cool! 💚
@gracebaird869
@gracebaird869 11 ай бұрын
I was on your TikTok live I only got 10/15 but they were pretty tough questions I told you that scb sent me
@BrettsThoughts
@BrettsThoughts 11 ай бұрын
@@gracebaird869 I remember! Thanks for coming along 🥰 I hope you enjoyed the quiz
@Ruesen
@Ruesen 11 ай бұрын
Ooh, i especially like the connection between the three brothers' names and the unforgivable curses. Even if they just ended up being a coincidence, that's really a cool one!
@atulathalye285
@atulathalye285 9 ай бұрын
Also Herpo the Foul creating the first Horcrux? Here too, the H and H match!
@chrislaws4785
@chrislaws4785 3 ай бұрын
I THINK that the second brother Cadmis MAY have ALSO created the Mirror that shows you the thing you want most. It sounds like something he would have created before getting the resurrection stone in order to show him the woman he wanted to be with.
@matteoairaghi790
@matteoairaghi790 11 ай бұрын
I have always wondered how spells are created
@brendenpercle2351
@brendenpercle2351 11 ай бұрын
I kinda think it’s just people messing around with Latin words until something sticks
@coolbrotherf127
@coolbrotherf127 11 ай бұрын
As far as I know, there's never really been any concrete method established in the lore. There are probably basic fundamentals that all spells follow but changing certain things will create specific results. Certain characters seem to spend a lot of trial and error researching new spells though so it seems to still be somewhat mysterious and difficult to nail down for them as well.
@Steve_A93
@Steve_A93 11 ай бұрын
Maybe spells are like magic vessels of whomever created them, which are accessed via the incantations?
@christianrose9166
@christianrose9166 11 ай бұрын
We know very little about the creation of spells, but I think there's something in the use of wands and underaged casting. Wands are used to channel the innate magic within a given witch or wizard, which enhances the effects of their magic. Furthermore, until the obtaining of a wand, a witch or wizard who is not taught how to control their magic will have it come out of them spontaneously, but always achieving a desired result. In other words, magic is "a desire being fulfilled", and wands strengthen that effect. With this, if a wand strengthens the effect of "a fulfilled desire", then spells "give structure to the method by which to fulfill ones desire". For example, there are many ways to obtain a drink from your fridge, in theory. You could get up and walk to the fridge, you could have someone else grab it for you, or you could (in theory) have it teleported to you via magic. These three methods are different ways to fulfill the desire of getting a drink from your fridge, and they would be represented by going to the fridge via apparition/disapparition, brought to you via accio/locomote, or teleported to you via conjuration spells (which conjure food/drink by pulling them from elsewhere and storing them in a pocket space first, then pulling them from that space). To summarize, spellcrafting would be trying to give "structure" to a "desire to be fulfilled" using words as code words and a wand as a medium for your magic.
@brianb6007
@brianb6007 11 ай бұрын
The only example I can think of is in HBP when Harry reads about how Snape scribbled out failed attempts at sectum sempra refining it and working it out.
@Fartbox95
@Fartbox95 11 ай бұрын
9:05 " Emotional pain made physical and emotional pain demands to be felt.. " I wish this wasn't so relatable.
@Bellali478
@Bellali478 10 ай бұрын
This video LITERALLY blew my mind! Everything just together so perfectly I can’t believe I hadn’t thought of it before!
@infinitemark1
@infinitemark1 10 ай бұрын
It's been a while since I last saw some of your content...and really I gotta take my hat off to you guys. WOW. Loved the video and shouts out to the brettsthoughts for the initial idea!
@NotAnotherDouc-
@NotAnotherDouc- 11 ай бұрын
The second brother invented the cruciatus curse in an attempt to reduce his pain by sharing it with others, even by force. Isn’t that was so many bullies do, in fiction and in real life? Many of them are just injured people who don’t know how or choose not to process through their trauma in a healthy way, so they cope by making others feel that pain instead.
@Oshaoxin
@Oshaoxin 9 ай бұрын
Aw those poor bullies. All they need is a hug.
@NotAnotherDouc-
@NotAnotherDouc- 9 ай бұрын
@@Oshaoxin did a single thing I said excuse their behavior? Two things can be true at once: 1. “Bullies” are very often a product of their environment. 2. Everybody - including bullies - is responsible for their own actions regardless of the reasons behind them. I guess you’re incapable of holding two thoughts at once though, since you apparently don’t have more than one brain cell to even understand my point in the first place. So sorry I tried to even justify.
@rawdaaljawhary4174
@rawdaaljawhary4174 9 ай бұрын
Yes! 100%. They transfer and vent that pain and self-loathing onto someone else to get a reprieve for a little while. Then they become addicted to inflicting pain.
@kool4209
@kool4209 9 ай бұрын
lol you tried.........
@ShinyHunterSolyu
@ShinyHunterSolyu 11 ай бұрын
Snapes spell always clicked to me since I first heard it. “That spell sounds like Snape’s name.” Which when I found out he was the half blood prince I was like that makes sense why the spell sounds like his name lol
@thecajunphoenix
@thecajunphoenix 7 ай бұрын
It's also too bad Sectusempra wasn't included among The Unforgivable Curses since it combines the most painful elements of The Cruciatus Curse with the most painful elements of The Killing Curse, only the victim doesn't die right away. The good thing is the Healmore Spell called Vulnera Sanantur counters Sectusempra if it's used early enough.
@THEDonnyB
@THEDonnyB 7 ай бұрын
I have watched you guys on and off. I usually bounce between series. Every time I get back into Harry Potter I always check out your vids. Love what you do.
@jameskirk4692
@jameskirk4692 9 ай бұрын
Awesome connections regognized! Thank you for making this video and to the original source of this theory!
@benny_lee
@benny_lee 11 ай бұрын
17:52 not to mention, Herpo the Foul is the first known creator of a Horcrux.
@alejandroelcid
@alejandroelcid 11 ай бұрын
It has always been my understanding, possibly theory, that the reason Harry was able to resist against Barty Crouch Jr. using the Imperio curse is because he is a Horcrux. The voice in Harry's head happened to be Voldemort's soul not wanting to be subjected to anyone's control out of sheer pride. To me it is similar to how he instinctively uses Parseltongue. But that is how I have seen it it after the second time I reread the series.
@LawrenceHanson2
@LawrenceHanson2 3 ай бұрын
Same.
@Lancelot_2882
@Lancelot_2882 2 ай бұрын
I disagree, I listen to the audio book series on repeat just cause I’m weird and for some reason it’s soothing to me. But Harry’s ability to repel the effects the imperious curse, is more linking to his crazy patronous charm he casts to repel over a 100 dementors. Harry himself is actually really powerful. He only taps into it in a few circumstances. It leaves the question if he ever fully taps into this after the books. But Harry patronous and his ability to fight the effects of an unforgivable are actually just his own innate powers
@LawrenceHanson2
@LawrenceHanson2 2 ай бұрын
In the books, Dumbledore definitely mentioned that the piece of Voldemorts soul, AKA Horcrux, gave Harry extra powers, just 1 example being the ability to speak Parsletongue. It is also mentioned, that Voldemorts powers are very strong, so strong that it worked through a wand that was resisting him(the elder wand). I agree with the OP. I also read it as:. The Horcrux helped with the ability to be resistant. His own natural talent came in after Fake-Moody made him practice. Maybe it looks different on paper than the audio makes it sound. Remember that each person puts different inflections into the voice. Maybe the narrator on the audio book thought the same as yourself and put that inflection into the audio.
@kevinthunder3375
@kevinthunder3375 Ай бұрын
I disagree. That takes far too much away from Harry. His mental resilience? His wand? Horcrux? His magical power? Horcrux. I have never liked these theories. I will give the Parseltongue, but that's about it.
@kaziislam-gs5rp
@kaziislam-gs5rp 3 күн бұрын
This is probably one of the most accurate Harry Potter theories I have ever seen in my life. Bros a genius!
@sidsoko9417
@sidsoko9417 9 ай бұрын
I is really wild, for Imperius, Ignotus, as well as Invisibility Cloak
@lucaskarniss2445
@lucaskarniss2445 11 ай бұрын
I think the arch is the “bridge” from “The Tale of the Three Brothers” and it’s a bridge between life and death. It’s similar to the doorway in the “The Chronicles of Narnia Last Battle”.
@ludairewah5937
@ludairewah5937 11 ай бұрын
It's also interesting to consider the Peverells' link to Voldemort. Voldemort was descended from the second brother, and he fears death above all else. He spends a huge amount of his time and energy trying to circumvent death. Cadmus didn't seem to fear death, but he certainly had a similarly strong emotional response to it. He also was trying to circumvent death a different way, wanting to bring someone back instead of live forever himself, but again, there's a strong parallel in their goals and outlook. An interesting thing to consider is that Avada Kedavra is often considered Voldemort's signature spell, but the theory suggests that he'd have a link with Cadmus's Cuciatus curse. I think it's possible the signature spell aspect was a reputation, not a personal preference. We do know one of his earliest magical acts was terrorizing two other children at the orphanage, not killing them. I also think Cadmus's familiarity with death would make it easier for him to use Avada Kedavra. Plus, Voldemort used all three spells.
@rawdaaljawhary4174
@rawdaaljawhary4174 9 ай бұрын
Very good points to add to the theory! So Salazar Slytherin was also descended from Cadmus Peverell...
@rawdaaljawhary4174
@rawdaaljawhary4174 9 ай бұрын
We can also say that Voldemort's fear of death caused him to create the Death Eaters, commit murder, and create horcruxes. Thus externalizing this fear and channeling it into suffering and terror for other people... a mass Cruciatus curse you could say.
@riffbw
@riffbw 9 ай бұрын
What would take this theory to the next level is showing Dumbledore is descended from Antioch. As for signature spells, I think Voldemort is more linked with the killing curse because it was needed to make Horcruxes,, but I agree his preferred use of magic was torture and domination. Killing quickly actually goes against his preferred styles. Every time he faces Harry, he wants to toy with him before killing him. He's a cruel person. Contrast this with Dumbledore's death where all he says "please" and Snape finishes it quickly.
@wh1te_duck652
@wh1te_duck652 8 ай бұрын
Iirc Voldemort says that he would torture people until they begged for death which sounds like cruciatus with a final touch of death
@BouncingTribbles
@BouncingTribbles 8 ай бұрын
This fits with my take, the brothers worked together. The story in the book talks about how the brothers started their adventures together, they only separated after they had the hallows. So I always thought about them more like a reflection of the book trio. As a group of young adventurers they created some powerful tools
@leegaul2161
@leegaul2161 Ай бұрын
The three forbidden curses : The Imperius Curse, The Cruciatus Curse, and finally the -- Voldermort : "Inagodadavida!"
@Wolf-E-Romeo
@Wolf-E-Romeo 11 ай бұрын
The names matching blew my mind. But i kinda was already feeling this theory. I just never matched the names. Now that cements it.
@brickbot2.038
@brickbot2.038 11 ай бұрын
I wonder if these spells might have existed before the brothers, but were then refined. Like, imagine Avada Kedavra used to be blockable with a basic shield charm, but then the Peverells were like, "Not anymore!" I've always wondered what goes into making a spell. We can gauge from the Half-Blood Prince's potion book that there's a process, a lot of trial and error that includes factors such the word itself, and how it's said, and if the movies are anything to go off of, adding words like "maximus" at the end can cause more power or different effects.
@Daniel-ix6nq
@Daniel-ix6nq 11 ай бұрын
Like before it was just, Avada.
@nobrutv1769
@nobrutv1769 10 ай бұрын
As far as magical lore usually goes, the magic is always there. It exists. It just needs to be harnessed and put into the desired/designed use. If the HP universe follow this route, it is possible that the "creation" of spells is actually finding out how to make an intent work in magical ways, then trying to find in words how to put that together into a spell, and matching the right emotion/intent with it to be successful.
@rawdaaljawhary4174
@rawdaaljawhary4174 9 ай бұрын
@@nobrutv1769 I agree with this because that's the way Slughorn was telling the class to create poison antidotes by reverse engineering the poison itself and solving for the unknown ingredient that would bind the independent ingredients into a cohesive whole that's the opposite of the poison. It makes sense that spells are developed in a similar way, experimenting with the wand movements as well. I also remember when Snape was healing Draco and Dumbledore, he sang a long spell with complicated wand movements that sounded like crooning. So spells can be a series of words or a repeated chant as well.
@Psyphix1220
@Psyphix1220 11 ай бұрын
Would love to hear what the Brothers think would happen if the Ministry gave a guilty verdict during Harry's trial
@djcfrompt
@djcfrompt 9 ай бұрын
7:18 "nonstop emotional torture" *Stephen He's dad has entered the chat*
@marvinau8972
@marvinau8972 8 ай бұрын
I love this video so much omg… and the theories totally make sense 😅😍😊
@jacksonlynch1731
@jacksonlynch1731 11 ай бұрын
SCB: Look at how brilliantly this is woven into the whole story!!! JK, who has never given any of this a moment's consideration: Yep. That's exactly how I planned it. Yep.
@I_am_OK
@I_am_OK 11 ай бұрын
I would like to ask the brothers to make a video theorizing over what would happen if Draco had accepted Dumbledore’s offer on the Lightning struck tower (the Half blood prince ). What if the Death Eaters were held up by the Order members and Draco had been given more time to choose?
@Youknowwhoyounopoo
@Youknowwhoyounopoo 11 ай бұрын
I think Harry would die. The person that checked if he was dead was Narcissa but if Draco accepted the offer, Dumbledore would have hid them. So someone else would check on Harry and reveal that he wasn't dead, making Voldy hit him with another avada kedavra. The wand might still not kill Harry because he would still be master of death, but Voldemort might just grab another deatheater's wand and try again. Ergo, still dead Harry
@rationaltrekker2509
@rationaltrekker2509 11 ай бұрын
Yes, THAT would be a great area for speculation! It would be great in part because it came close to happening. J and Ben, you should definitely take this one up, though I think it might prove to be more of a challenge than it would seem at first. Maybe. It would impact Draco personally, of course, but potentially also Draco's relationship with Harry - and then Ron and Hermione ; and his relationship with Crabb and Goyle, and his parents' futures… My guess is that Narcisa, despite her attitudes, would have accepted Dumbledore's protection, and ultimately Lucius would have to. What impact would that then have on Snape's position with Voldemort? Is there a way that it could erode trust? After all, part of the reasoning behind the plan for Snape to kill Dumbledore was to bolster his position with Voldemort. Tom Riddle is very suspicious even as an eleven-year-old. If a Death-Eater family connected to Hogwarts takes protection from Dumbledore, what will Riddle think about other Death Eaters who have connections to Hogwarts and Dumbledore? Would he torture Snape to try to get information? Would Draco accepting Dumbledore's protection DEFINITELY mean that Dumbledore survives that night? I can't see off hand how it wouldn't mean that, but that itself is something to think about. In the end, how many "IF"s are there?
@shadeblackwolf1508
@shadeblackwolf1508 9 ай бұрын
I remember reading the three curses and thinking they were twisted versions of medical spells. the therapy spell, the revalidation spell, and the merciful death spell.
@VaclavNemec70
@VaclavNemec70 8 ай бұрын
there's a therapy spell? what a dreamworld 😭
@shadeblackwolf1508
@shadeblackwolf1508 8 ай бұрын
@@VaclavNemec70 there is. They enter your mind and just... Make you stop being depressed, alcoholic or the like. It's called Imperio. Once they found out what else it could be used for, it was promptly banned.
@Psycorde
@Psycorde 11 ай бұрын
Crucio originally being a way to share and express one's pain would be tragic indeed
@huskykid0295
@huskykid0295 11 ай бұрын
I feel like the second brother would make avada kedavra, as if he needed a way to send his bride back to the realm of the dead before he could join her there himself. Since it's an instant and painless spell it makes sense that he would just want to instantly end her suffering and send her back where she belongs respectfully.
@jamieisausername
@jamieisausername 11 ай бұрын
Interesting. So you think the imprints of Lily, James, Sirius and Lupin are wandering the Forbidden Forest still to this day? Bit freaky, that
@takumi2023
@takumi2023 11 ай бұрын
@@jamieisausername but spells don't work on ghosts or shadows of people if i remember correctly.(at least rarely).
@jypsridic
@jypsridic 11 ай бұрын
@@takumi2023 she wouldn't have been a ghost or a shadow, she'd have been something else that we don't have a word for.
@katierenee5699
@katierenee5699 11 ай бұрын
@@jypsridic Is it possible she was an Infiri? (Not sure how you spell it. Wizard zombies :P) I remember Dumbledore telling Harry that Grindelwald wanted the stone to make an army of them. So maybe that's the result when you're trying to bring someone back permanently instead of the ghost/imprints of Harry's family which were meant to be temporary.
@ryanward5770
@ryanward5770 11 ай бұрын
Or better yet, cadmus also created the veil first in order to send his love back to the other side where he could join her. Fits with the idea of them creating the veil too!
@alicias.8482
@alicias.8482 11 ай бұрын
You blew my mind. That all makes perfect sense. Also, Harry being so good at magic while being a lackluster student might be due to his lineage from these most powerful wizards. And possibly, not really being damaged as greatly by these spells because they won't work fully on Peverell family members?
@Frostmozine
@Frostmozine 9 ай бұрын
One of Harry's parents was a Peverell family member and they didn't survive the killing curse
@wicklash9065
@wicklash9065 4 ай бұрын
​@nasheerbillah1667 but he hadnt mastered the deathly hallows
@True_Camo
@True_Camo 8 ай бұрын
Omg this video was awesome!! I feel like my eyes have been opened about these curses way more than I expected when I first clicked on this video! 10/10 content 😊
@iaminshal569
@iaminshal569 11 ай бұрын
1:43 that’s so wild but makes so much sense! Shoutout to Brett for this theory!
@autumnleaf2263
@autumnleaf2263 11 ай бұрын
NEW HEADCANON ACCEPTED! This is brilliant! And you finally convinced me which brother made which curse at the end with the names. 10/10.
@fionarodgers4806
@fionarodgers4806 11 ай бұрын
I honestly still think that Herpo the Foul created the unforgivable curses. I mean, the dude was the first person to make a horcrux and the first person to breed a basilisk, soooo… I think it’s him.
@catlover2223
@catlover2223 11 ай бұрын
Didn’t he also create Dementors? Or they were discovered at his home after he died? Then they converted it to Azkaban because they couldn’t deal with the Dementors.
@09DinoDino
@09DinoDino 10 ай бұрын
@@catlover2223 wasn’t that a different guy
@thatcatholicgirl5675
@thatcatholicgirl5675 7 ай бұрын
@@catlover2223- That was Ekrisdis, and SCB did a video about him a couple years ago!
@SouravBanik90
@SouravBanik90 4 ай бұрын
Even after so many years, they have got fresh theories. And they make sense! Awesome going guys!
@planwithSC
@planwithSC 10 ай бұрын
Omg mind blown! Feeling like I need a rewatch!
@cmac8722
@cmac8722 11 ай бұрын
I always had the theory that "another voice at the back of his brain" in GoF was Voldemort. The use of the word "another" when when it is described makes me think the part of Voldemorts soul in Harry may have been active a very very very subconscious level and when Harry was under the imperious curse it became conscious for a few seconds. I mean, that voice voice you hear when you think is always your own, but the wording very specifically says "another". I'll go ahead and assume that Voldemort would have also been able to fight off the curse because nobody ever made him do anything he didn't want to do and so while Harry wasn't in control of himself that allowed the fragment of soul a brief opportunity to awaken and disobey the order to jump, becasue why would he do as he is told? I'm probably completely off with this theroy, but hey, it's fun to think of them.
@jonathanwilson8809
@jonathanwilson8809 9 ай бұрын
But he is resistant to the cruciatus curse when voldemort is removed from him, and you're suggesting that he is resistant to another of the curses *because* voldemort is part of him. 🤷‍♂️
@cmac8722
@cmac8722 9 ай бұрын
@@jonathanwilson8809 by that time Harry is mentally strong enough to fight it off by himself. The experiences of the Tri-wizard tournament and the events that follow in the graveyard will have given him the extra mental strength needed. Plus I never said Harry couldn't do it by himself, but having a piece of Voldemorts soul inside him gave him extra power even if he was never aware of it. I mean you only need to look at his ability to speak Parseltongue as an example. Except for the Order of the Phoenix when Voldemort gave him the false visions, Harry never experienced anything detrimental from that piece of soul.
@surferdude4487
@surferdude4487 9 ай бұрын
@@jonathanwilson8809 IMO it is entirely possible that the fragment of Voldemort helped him to resist the Imperious curse. But, I'm pretty sure he resisted the Cruciatus curse because Harry was the true master of the Elder wand.
@ItsTimeSteve_
@ItsTimeSteve_ 11 ай бұрын
17:42 there is also Herpo the fowl and the Horcrux! Same beginning letter.
@loekkaanders
@loekkaanders 9 ай бұрын
Yes love this! Thanks!!
@joeysmith2609
@joeysmith2609 10 ай бұрын
Been waiting a LOOONG time for a KZfaqr to talk about this!
@Ayanamy-vl2pl
@Ayanamy-vl2pl 11 ай бұрын
I can hardly imagine the shock of the first wizard who casted ( or cast) the death spell. Imagine it was an accident, like an impulse...
@SgtSupaman
@SgtSupaman 11 ай бұрын
The first couldn't have been an accident. Even intentionally casting it, according to Crouch Jr, isn't good enough to do much more damage than a nosebleed if you don't put intention behind it. So the first one casting it definitely had to mean to kill whomever he was targeting.
@carloszapata847
@carloszapata847 11 ай бұрын
​@@SgtSupaman A moment of anger can cause a lifetime of regret.
@fishandjam5383
@fishandjam5383 11 ай бұрын
15:54 You seem to be forgetting that Harry hit Amycus Carrow with the Cruciatus Curse when he spat in McGonagall's face in Deathly Hallows. He even said, then, that he saw what Bellatrix meant about needing to mean it.
@dpatel9292
@dpatel9292 11 ай бұрын
But at that time he already possessed the resurrection stone. Hence , may be crucial worked because if the resurrection stone and has nothing to do with Harry's anger.
@fionarodgers4806
@fionarodgers4806 11 ай бұрын
That’s exactly what I thought.
@Cailus3542
@Cailus3542 11 ай бұрын
Amycus was in pain, sure, but nothing quite like a true Cruciatus Curse. In Bellatrix's words: "righteous anger won't hurt me for long".
@tracyroweauthor
@tracyroweauthor 11 ай бұрын
@@Cailus3542 Also, Bellatrix was a very powerful witch. She could probably withstand the curse better than Amycus
@fishandjam5383
@fishandjam5383 11 ай бұрын
@@dpatel9292 The Resurrection Stone was still in the Snitch he had been left by Dumbledore. Yes, he suspected it was inside it, but as he hadn't opened the Snitch yet, did he really possess it?
@kalyanjyotidutta287
@kalyanjyotidutta287 4 ай бұрын
I think you are correct.. thinking from an another, though weird perspective, Antioch created "avada kadabra", his name starts with 'A' same as the spell. Similarly, "crucio" and "imperio", starts with the letters of their respective creators, Cadmus and Ignothus.. makes a lot of sense 😅
@jasmineguyton45
@jasmineguyton45 10 ай бұрын
Heyyyy Brothers!!!! Been watching since 2014 🎉 love you guys & the COFFEE
@tyseal9415
@tyseal9415 11 ай бұрын
Love when y'all post a new video! Hope you continue the "What if Peter was killed" in a part 2!
@hathus5536
@hathus5536 11 ай бұрын
An Interesting "What if" is what if Obi-Wan raised and trained Luke his whole life instead of giving him to his aunt and uncle
@emilydwelch3962
@emilydwelch3962 10 ай бұрын
This is such a great theory!!
@zacobyz4431
@zacobyz4431 11 ай бұрын
This is an amazing theory! It's also supported by Harry fully mastering use of the cruciatus curse only when he had the resurrection stone in his possession (when he used it on Amycus Carrow). The theory makes so much sense. I love it!
@shaynestcyr3054
@shaynestcyr3054 11 ай бұрын
What if you used the Veil and resurrection stone in tandem to bring someone back. Could the combo bring them through? In essence the reverse of what happened to Sirius?
@JackAttack7
@JackAttack7 11 ай бұрын
That's a good question maybe that's why the Peverell Brothers created the Veil in the first place.
@Kobrakai21
@Kobrakai21 3 ай бұрын
I respect that you made it a point to mention the originator of the theory and even reached out to them to ask if they were okay with you expounding on it. Class act, gentlemen. Cheers
@amberhoward7807
@amberhoward7807 11 ай бұрын
The fact that you guys found an idea that wasn't yours and asked if you could expand on it for your channel shows a level of respect I just don't see very often on the internet anymore... AS WELL AS giving that person a shout out for the original idea... Nicely done!
@tolkienism3806
@tolkienism3806 11 ай бұрын
I want to expand on the theory (Note that this expansion is going in approximately the order i think the spells were created) The third brother was the first one to create these three spells, he was a powerful person who could create powerful spells and taught his brothers to also create spells. But knowing that he would likely be in trouble due to how well powerful he is and how unpredictable he could be with unknown spells he created the invisibility cloak and imperious spell to protect him and his wife and kids. The first brother was a powerful wand maker. He decided with his wand making skills and knowledge he had on spell making made the elder wand and the killing curse to kill the person who betrayed him. Finally the second brother he was a skilled alchemist who with help created the resurrection stone. But after realizing that the resurrection stone didnt work blamed the person who helped him create said stone created the crusiatis curse to that the person who helped him so that the person would know how he had felt after he found out the stone didnt work.
@AmateurCreep
@AmateurCreep 11 ай бұрын
what is also incredible is the names of the brothers match up with the first letters of each curse!
@Phantom_Fireside
@Phantom_Fireside 11 ай бұрын
An interesting add-on he didn't add was Herpo the Foul created the first Horcrux, but starting with H just like Severus Snape and Sectum Sempra
@olivercoulthard5468
@olivercoulthard5468 11 ай бұрын
I WAS WAITING FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO NOTICE THIS
@peterembrey3705
@peterembrey3705 8 ай бұрын
This is really cool and makes me want to watch a movie of the 3 brothers. I just always found it funny that the avada kedavra sounds a lot like I want a cadaver.
@Linknla
@Linknla 6 ай бұрын
This was really good. Thanks!
@lxena8033
@lxena8033 11 ай бұрын
I don't think Harry was unaffected by the killing curse. He actually died in the forest. He wasn't master of death before that moment. He became master of death when he chose to come back. At that point he had conquered death, which is when the elderwand become loyal to Harry. At that point the he is not effected, by either the Cruciatus, nor the killing curse. He defeats the killing curse in the great hall, not the forest. In order to become master of death, Harry actually had to die. Ironically, the reason he even had the choice to come back was because of Voldemort. Voldemort help Harry become master of death, by taking his blood. In doing so, Voldemort sealed his own defeat. When the prophecy states that Harry will have power that the dark lord doesn't have.... I don't think it meant only love. But love also helped him become master of death. Which is something Voldemort could never become, because of his fear of death. That is why the elderwand resisted him. He never conquered death. This is why Grindelwald tells Voldemort that the wand would never work for him. This is also how Grindelwald lost to Dumbledore. Grindelwald didn't conquer death. I think Grindelwald was able to figure this out during all the time he was isolated and locked up. Which is why he laughs at, and mocks Voldemort.
@APotterheadAndASwiftie
@APotterheadAndASwiftie 11 ай бұрын
I think "Old Voldy" was TRYING to make DOUBLY sure Harry WAS dead; I think Voldy figured that Harry would move from the pain . . . Joke's on Voldy, though, because Harry does NOT move an INTCH even though he IS VERY much alive . . . 😁
@wlyons15
@wlyons15 7 ай бұрын
Yooooooo! OMG! You nailed it ❤ It all makes sense now❤❤
@vinitvsankhe
@vinitvsankhe Ай бұрын
I had matched the brother names with the curses when I read the book 7 many years back. But this explanation makes it much more credible. Thanks.
@Lotuswalker
@Lotuswalker 11 ай бұрын
Correct me if I am wrong, but didnt Harry successfully use Crucio on Amicus in Ravenclaw tower ? Then he said to McGonagall "Now I know what Bellatrix meant, I have to really mean it"... something like that.
@Cailus3542
@Cailus3542 11 ай бұрын
Amicus was plainly in pain, but nowhere near as much as a successful Cruciatus Curse can cause.
@arcrosis
@arcrosis 11 ай бұрын
I have only seen the intro so far but i just want to point out a possible hole in this theory(i will add a note after this comment if it gets addressed). Salazar was known to use the curses, even going as far as teaching them to his students and requiring cruciatus being used on someone to enter his scriptorium. The founders also predate the brothers by around 200-300 years. Edit: Yep, so wathed all the way through and looked it up after. Salazar definatley taught at least imperio and crucio, and lived a couple hundred years before the Peverell brothers
@ricksanchez1732
@ricksanchez1732 10 ай бұрын
It's very possible that lesser versions of these spells existed and it was these brothers who refined them to perfection. Maybe Avada could be blocked, or you had to hit someone twice to kill them. Maybe crucio just hurt for a second, or only caused emotional turmoil. Maybe Imperio only allowed you to push one command, or forced them to mimic your movements like a mirror. And these guys fixed them with their deathly magic
@tale7955
@tale7955 9 ай бұрын
@@ricksanchez1732 The entire point of the theory is that they created these spells. If they just perfected something that already existed (for which there's no confirmation) then the theory is still wrong.
@benja_mint
@benja_mint 9 ай бұрын
Yep I think whenever highly complex theories about Harry Potter come out they turn out to not be true. The books just aren't that complex. Things tend to be stated explicitly, not hinted at
@MurfSkillzUncontrollable
@MurfSkillzUncontrollable 5 ай бұрын
I love this theory. I started realizing why Harry could fight off the imperius curse the moment you said Ignotus. It made sense immediately.
@chicopride2
@chicopride2 5 ай бұрын
@13:10 did he just admit he wants to do a psycadelic journey 😂😂
@DAUGHTER_OF_HADES41
@DAUGHTER_OF_HADES41 3 ай бұрын
Maybe yeah 😂😂
@WhaleManMan
@WhaleManMan 11 ай бұрын
I would have thought the Murder, Mind Control, and Torture spells would have been one of the first ever made
@kiriraganna
@kiriraganna 11 ай бұрын
Maybe wand magic isn't that old? Like as in, those spells existed in other forms and styles before (as it is said that not all wizards throughout the world use wands), and Peverells were the ones who first started using wands, thus "creating" new spells. But then again, we don't really know when Peverells lived. Even the tombstone Harry found could have belonged to the original Peverells' descendant.
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