WHOA! Baby Reindeer LIED!? Real Life Martha COULD WIN BIG Vs Netflix!

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WHOA! Baby Reindeer LIED!? Real Life Martha COULD WIN BIG Vs Netflix! @BlackBeltBarrister Reacts
‘Real-life Martha’ from Baby Reindeer sues Netflix for $170 million over ‘biggest lie in television history’ ‘Baby Reindeer’s Real-Life Martha Pursues Netflix With $170M Defamation & Negligence Suit
(Updated with Netflix statement) “Sometimes you create such a web of lies that you almost forget what you started running from in the first place.”
That quote from Donny (Richard Gadd) in the second episode of Baby Reindeer just might be on the mind of Netflix on Thursday after the streamer was hit with a $170 million defamation and negligence lawsuit over the widely watched black comedy.
“This is an action by Plaintiff Fiona Harvey (“Harvey”) against Defendants Netflix, Inc. and Netflix Worldwide Entertainment (collectively “Netflix”), for defamation, intentional infliction of emotional distress, negligence, gross negligence, and violations of Harvey’s right of publicity, arising out of the brutal lies Defendants told about her in the television series, Baby Reindeer,” reads the long-promised suit filed today in federal court in Los Angeles.
Sold as a “true story,” Baby Reindeer, which launched on the streamer April 11, is the raw account of Gadd’s frustrated comedian character’s experience with an alleged stalker. Jessica Gunning stars as that alleged stalker, Martha, who the world learned last month is Harvey, a Scottish lawyer.
“The lies that Defendants told about Harvey to over 50 million people worldwide include that Harvey is a twice convicted stalker who was sentenced to five years in prison, and that Harvey sexually assaulted Gadd. Defendants told these lies, and never stopped, because it was a better story than the truth, and better stories made money,” the heavily illustrated 34-page complaint adds.
“As a result of Defendants’ lies, malfeasance and utterly reckless misconduct, Harvey’s life had been ruined. Simply, Netflix and Gadd destroyed her reputation, her character and her life.”
Oddly, for all the times he is mentioned in the suit, Gadd himself is not a defendant here, it seems.
“We intend to defend this matter vigorously and to stand by Richard Gadd’s right to tell his story,” a Netflix spokesperson said Thursday a few hours after the legal action, which Harvey has been saying for weeks she intended to pursue, was filed.
Netflix may have taken a beat off the bat to determine how much all this is truly going to cost it. Aiming for injunctive relief, Harvey wants the streamer to pay handsomely for what she sees as its sins. She is seeing more than $170 million, actually, per the breakdown from the jury-trial-seeking filing:
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@Santagmk0 Ай бұрын

I’m sorry but if she was a stalker… she doesn’t deserve to win…

@hallejohn7063 Ай бұрын

I agree but be serious if you were her you wouldn’t at least try?! 🤣

@st8fromtheho0d18 Ай бұрын

Ummmmm.... He played with that girls emotions... And how do we know she was really a stalker?!?!?

@mallikapatri8477 Ай бұрын

That does not matter in this law suit. Without a doubt Gadd has embellished the story & depicted her as a convicted criminal. She has a strong case & will win around 1 mill.

@wb6266 Ай бұрын

@@st8fromtheho0d18 bc she has stalked other people who are coming out about it....

@Lh-wq5gc Ай бұрын

People who say this are dumb even people who've committed crimes have rights and you can't make up lies against people and put it out to the public as fact and expect not to get sued just because someone has committed a crime that's the most ignorant thing to say.....obviously you only care about your own personal freedoms and not the freedoms that everyone has here in this great nation

@Vadelmahillo Ай бұрын

She said on Piers Morgan´s show that she doesn't think the show is based on her. Yet she wants to sue.

@Shazzadut1 Ай бұрын

This has been overlooked. She denied she was Martha, and had not seen the show, yet now wants to sue for being defamed? How did she know she was defamed? She either is or isn’t Martha (spoiler - she definitely is…😂)

@Kholmi.28 Ай бұрын

She said a lot of thing in that interview that were contradictions😂

@whadis404 Ай бұрын

@@Shazzadut1 how many other people has SHE defamed!??

@missymani Ай бұрын

Also, she said that someone TOLD her she had received death threats on social media, and she didn't even see them because she doesn't use her accounts. But now she was scared of all the threats...the threats she didn't see?? What a lying clown.

@EatHere Ай бұрын

Not true, she said it was a hyperbole version of her

@mypillowguy445 Ай бұрын

She can't win and here's why: - Her name was not used. - Netflix has a legal disclaimer in the end Credits. - In the first episode, "Donny" types, "This is a true story". That was part of the episode. - She identified herself. - She has never held down a job so she can't sue for loss of earnings. - Her reputation precedes her. She was already known as a serial stalker so no harm done there. Netflix will settle for a million and then her former employer can sue Harvey for calling _her_ a stalker and accusing _her_ of harassment on a show watched by millions.

@halzenuteyes8472 Ай бұрын

Hopefully she won't get a penny! Netflix has been doing shit shows about diversity, etc but with a story like that, they surely made their research specially with a "stalker" looking like her. As the BB, he said he didn't watch the show, so I will not take his opinions too much in consideration...

@adab9959 Ай бұрын

That is what I think! It’s Donny the character typing that! Also, Why will no one take in consideration these victims. It’s just really sickening.

@adab9959 Ай бұрын

That is what I think! It’s Donny the character typing that! Also, Why will no one take in consideration these victims. It’s just really sickening.

@ebayvideo6383 Ай бұрын

The only problem with the disclaimer is that a netflix exec testified before parliament saying she is a convicted stalker. Laura Wray says she was not convicted in her case and does not believe Fiona was ever convicted. Seriously after seeing her it is unbelievable that she would have pled guilty to anything.

@jasonhallowsworth6889 Ай бұрын

You are what slow looks like, they did a horrible job protecting her identity. Netflix is going to settle

@LiliasMummyxx Ай бұрын

Richard Gadd did not play himself!! He played Donny Dunn. It is Donny typing out "This is a true story" at the beginning of his story in Episode one where the series is telling his story, not Richard Gadds! These lawyers are ignoring this and are only seeing the money they can gain for themselves. Fiona does not deserve a penny. What she has done is awful and these actions can have long term effects on the victims mental health and lives. I am saying this as a victim of harrassment and coercive control. The lawyers are disgusting trying to condone and gain financially that what she did was ok.

@RoselyneAllen3 Ай бұрын

I've written it several times: ‘It's not Fiona's story, it's Donny's story’. I repeat, it's the story of Donny, a fictional character. People confuse fiction with real life, because Richard Gadd is the main character, and some of the abuse happened to him. There's no doubt that Netlfix raises social issues: harassment, stalking...

@evao9172 Ай бұрын

That's an interesting take! He was acting under a pseudonym, not himself... so it can't be a fully true story (not that anyone expected 100% facts from a netflix drama series). She doesn't deserve a payout, and it's dangerous to those she's stalked to give her more resources. Shameful.

@rruysch Ай бұрын

i think ur missing the point. they also put all Fiona's other victims in danger by letting her be so easiliy found. the 'this is a true story' was reiterated by netflix staff anyway... so ur argument doesn't even stand outside of the show. im not arguing that she deserves money. but netflix has set an awful precident with this. u have to take this senario and change the ppl to somone u sympathies with to see why its a problem. say it was a man who used DARVO and claimed his partner abused him but it turned out he was abusing his partner but everyone only heard his side of it and found out who that partner was and started harrassing them... that man can still claim it was a true story 'his truth' but thats got nothing to do with it. no one should be able to find the partner. everyone is entitled to tell their story. a huge production company is not supposed to endanger ppl doing so. its got nothing to do with it being true or not. fiona is hung up on asserting her truth. but thats not the main issue in the grand scheme. - she wasnt defamed because he said or his character said it was true. she was defamed because ppl found out who she is.

@jahlishalindsey3878 Ай бұрын

I was gonna say this and it's actually one of the things I learnt in film school... its 'narration' so technically they can bring in a screenwriter or director as an expert witness to discredit the veracity of the claim plus as it isn't a docu-drama it's just a plain drama it's pretty pointless her suing especially if they can prove 90% of her stalking behaviour is true

@jahlishalindsey3878 Ай бұрын

Oh and everyone saying that this put Laura Wray in danger.. I understand but Laura already talked to the media years ago her stuff was already out there

@mezzamuddle Ай бұрын

Martha outed herself and her psycho stalking behaviour shouldn't be rewarded. I hope Netflix doesn't settle, discovery would be awesome. If she wins, that lawyer she harassed is going to sue her and I hope other people she stalked come forward and sue her as well.

@robertapascal6962 Ай бұрын

Exactly! If she would have stayed silent, ignored the haters, it would have blown over. She has only suffered mean comments.

@96s40 Ай бұрын

Other victims couldn’t sue her. The reason Laura can is because what she said on Piers Morgan was defamation. Also, very interestingly, what she said about Richard Gadd is provably defamatory- he won’t, but he could, sue her for calling him a stalker, a liar, a psychopath, etc.

@cherylsmith9042 Ай бұрын

Absolutely

@whadis404 Ай бұрын

@@robertapascal6962 whereas other people have suffered greatly because of her!!

@LantanaLiz Ай бұрын

It's not a matter of "rewarding" anyone. If someone isn't a convicted criminal, it's common sense you don't call them one and open yourself up to legal action in the process. Netflix brought this upon themselves. The fact that they ran with this ego trip of a drama instead of Lockwood and Co does give me some petty glee at them being dragged off to court.

@lori452 Ай бұрын

I don’t want a stalker to win because she will have the means to go after the victims again…thanks Netflix. Stupid stupid Netflix.

@river8330 Ай бұрын

I was thinking this. Its her way of indirectly victimising him all over again! Im trying hard to remember if she came forward of her own volition to "clear her name" so was she really "found" by fans or just incensed about the way she was portrayed & then came forward?

@libragirl4471 Ай бұрын

She lives for this attention

@TallBlondeSassy Ай бұрын

I'm waiting. She said she has never been convicted. FIONA HARVEY may not have been, but hasn't she gone by other names?

@nutcracker2916 Ай бұрын

@@TallBlondeSassy Fiona Muir when she allegedly made Labour MP's wife Laura wray/ Walker's life a misery.

@ebayvideo6383 Ай бұрын

@TallBlondeSassy The woman she stalked says Fiona was not convicted in her case and does believe she ever was. Nor sure why people want to believe she was convicted just because Netflix says she was.

@luinloki39 Ай бұрын

Whether it's true or not, how can she possibly claim it has damaged her life if she is out there encouraging it by confirming her identity and doing interviews? She can't pick and choose.

@tasnimtrisha2 Ай бұрын

I agree. Also she's bringing defamation case. She didn't have a reputation to begin with let alone a public one. So how can she be defamed? She's made herself public, not netflix. She was practically virtually unknown.

@kenkichiotaka4275 Ай бұрын

@@tasnimtrisha2 spot on!

@whadis404 Ай бұрын

And actively destroying peoples lives

@EatHere Ай бұрын

But the show was about her and they did dramatize her in a negative way, like portraying her as a convict. If someone did that to you, sure you could pretend the show wasn’t about you, but if people found you and harassed you, you’d probably feel forced to respond and defend yourself too.

@RobinJusticeWoods Ай бұрын

That's not the way it works.

@joholland1461 Ай бұрын

I hope Netflix doesn't settle

@jbilotta Ай бұрын

This is insane. I really don’t want this woman to get a penny.

@longriderxx Ай бұрын

mmmmmmmmm

@whadis404 Ай бұрын

She needs to be convicted of stalking All the stalkings! Or be in a psych ward She’s a bloody mess!

@hollybrooke3850 Ай бұрын

I do, purely because of the fact that Laura can then sue her and get justice for what she put her family through. Also for the absolute shite of the crown that they put the RF through

@MeanEileen916 Ай бұрын

If she wins, which would be an example of how abusers, are able to exploit the law, an example that abusers, can be protected and continue their abuse, it’s furthering the idea that abuse is ok. I also hope she gets sued by Laura Wray, other victims, so that they and their lawyers take everything from this dangerous person and leave her with nothing but her delusions.

@whadis404 Ай бұрын

Well said!!

@kirstyhesketh1416 Ай бұрын

❤

@fionamclaren8506 Ай бұрын

The point is though that she's not a criminal: everyone is innocent until proven guilty. The lawsuit has shown a DBS check which doesn't show any convictions.

@whadis404 Ай бұрын

@@fionamclaren8506 her behaviours are/were criminal behaviours A bank robber doesn’t have to be found guilty in court to be a criminal She just … is! If she wins .. she will be paid to stay a criminal! Paid to keep carrying on her criminal career

@tastelikesugars Ай бұрын

If she says that she did not stalk him or do anything referenced in the show, then the show is not about her. What makes her think that the series is about her if nothing in the series is true about her.

@itsreeeshaaa7560 Ай бұрын

This exactly! Thank you!

@tastelikesugars Ай бұрын

@itsreeeshaaa7560 maybe people need to stop calling her the stalker, she is NOT real life Martha. Simple.

@wearequickflix Ай бұрын

Let me explain how this works: The character shares a physical likeness with her The character shares a verbal likeness with her The character shares an employment history with her The character shares a residential history with her They used messages from social media accounts using her name and photo They referred to an alleged previous case of stalking where an interdict was taken out against her

@michelleponzio Ай бұрын

I agree

@michelleponzio Ай бұрын

@@wearequickflixTrue, be she outed herself in the first place. Nobody would've known it was her otherwise

@vidayamor8563 Ай бұрын

If she wins, hopefully all her victims sue her back so that they can finally get some real justice 💰

@39Bosski Ай бұрын

Agreed.

@Colleenscooter Ай бұрын

Probably too late for them to do that now. Actually if she can sue Netflicks she may be able to sue Richard Gadd too. Then she can victimize him again.

@96s40 Ай бұрын

@@Colleenscooterwhat she said about him on Piers Morgan is provably defamatory. Gadd never named her, she called him out as a liar, a stalker, a psychopath, and worse on FB too

@fabulousnewt770 Ай бұрын

Laura, the lawyer she stalked and defamed for 5 years is going to sue if she wins her court case. No point suing before she has any money.

@IStandWithCatherine Ай бұрын

This is the difference between law and justice. I hope that if she wins, all her victims came together to sue her over the emotional distress they had suffered from her criminal behaviour.

@JunFender-art Ай бұрын

One for sure, Laura Wrey said that

@Julia-zz3gl Ай бұрын

Why has nobody ever taken out an injunction against her?

@adab9959 Ай бұрын

@@Julia-zz3glprobably fear, but there is strength in numbers.

@colleengrigg3045 Ай бұрын

⁠@@Julia-zz3glwatch the Piers Morgan interview with Laura Wrey, she explains why.

@kirstyhesketh1416 Ай бұрын

❤

@hallejohn7063 Ай бұрын

If she wins couldn’t her victims she stalked come back and sue her? Because then she’d have money.

@GizmoGremlinDog Ай бұрын

Yes the woman she stalked has already said she will sue if she wins money

@hallejohn7063 Ай бұрын

@@GizmoGremlinDog good!

@JunFender-art Ай бұрын

yep, and take away every single penny

@kristaking1 Ай бұрын

Okay but IF Fiona Muir Harvey wins her lawsuit against Netflix, the first woman she stalked, Lawyer Laura Wray in Scotland, said on Piers Morgan two days ago that she will sue Fiona for the 5 YEARS of stalking her, her law firm and her family plus the harassment and falsely calling child services against her and her PM husband for "abusing" their disabled child. Fiona is a crazy stalker and deserves nothing BUT part of me hope she wins so that she can get the hell sued out of her and it all gets taken AWAY.

@Julia-zz3gl Ай бұрын

Laura Wray is a pretty naff lawyer for not having taken out an injunction against her at the time

@kristaking1 Ай бұрын

@@Julia-zz3gl You speak out of ignorance. You have OBVIOUSLY NOT watched Laura's interview. She DID take out an injunction for her. Fiona WAS served. The laws against stalking in Scotland are/were not strong and it was/is very hard to get the justice system to do anything in 1997 to 2002 for stalking. She did the best she could and showed Piers ALL records and documentation of the legal steps she took, including the injunction. Go watch the interview before making remarks showing your ignorance.

@nutcracker2916 Ай бұрын

@@Julia-zz3gl Maybe you need to get your facts right being nasty about Laura who has suffered enough , at the hands of Fiona Muir/ Harvey. Maybe you should view Pieres Morgan's interview with Laura ?

@Julia-zz3gl Ай бұрын

@@nutcracker2916 Get your facts right. The person spouting against an ex employee is Laura Wray in breach of GDPR and failed to sue Fiona Harvey at any time during the five years that she claimed she was stalked by her.

@Julia-zz3gl Ай бұрын

@@kristaking1 No she didn't, get your facts right.

@mihnster1362 Ай бұрын

Why no one says this. Can't she get sued for saying Richard is the stalker and liar defaming him?

@mari97216 Ай бұрын

She has also defamed laura on her facebook, plus she lied about her on the piers morgan interview.

@100navy8 Ай бұрын

@@mari97216 lying is not punishable by law unless otherwise she was under oath like in a hearing.

@TaylorElizabethHunt Ай бұрын

@@100navy8slander is unlawful

@diwurld Ай бұрын

PLOT TWIST. Gadd and Harvey are in this together and both come away with millions 💰💰💰💰💰

@brendao185 Ай бұрын

Netflix did not state was a true story… it was the actor typing the words in his mind it’s based on a true story.

@EastAsianCinemaHistory Ай бұрын

I had a dream that Fiona screwed this all up by harassing one of her legal team members.

@mazp936 Ай бұрын

She's a dangerous stalker, there's lots of people that have been on the end of her vile pursuit, all those people that worked for the barrister and apparently other people have come forward, she actually terrifies her victims.

@swaggersnacks2727 Ай бұрын

But what if the “this is a true story” at the beginning is just the character Donny typing as part of the show not actually a statement by Richard gadd and Netflix that every event in the show is a true story. In that case, from the perspective of Donny it is in fact his true story, since we see him sit down and type his statement during the last episode

@robertburgess3767 Ай бұрын

It dosnt help that the Womble from netflix told under oath in parliament that she always a convicted stalker and a true story of richard gadd...if only he had said donny instead 😮

@leanneharley6311 Ай бұрын

Exactly! Finally someone talking sense 👍

@judithmorganjudyteen Ай бұрын

Andy doesn't listen though, now a barrister who hasn't seen the show commenting

@rowanskyshield528 Ай бұрын

that's a great point, I forgot that! "So based on a true story," the writer, Gad; stated they added and changed things for dramatic value, so having Martha say she was guilty was a fantasy that helped heal him, it is what he and we all wishes happened... IF it was Fiona which he never claimed it was. And lets remember, Fiona states the actress doesn't look anything like her. So yeah!

@ebayvideo6383 Ай бұрын

Ok then why did a Netflix executive refer to Fiona as a convicted stalker?

@itsreeeshaaa7560 Ай бұрын

The fact that Netflix or Richard hasn’t acknowledged that Fiona is Martha is the smart way to go. She’s out there outing herself and trying to get paid. Netflix isn’t stupid. I have no doubt that they are covered. If Fiona is the real stalker she’s attempting to abuse Richard all over again. She doesn’t deserve anything.

@mymai5859 Ай бұрын

Agree 💯%. You have written this explanation well

@RandomRouletteFun Ай бұрын

Take her to court for stalking… get her convicted… story becomes true… her case is thrown out

@ebayvideo6383 Ай бұрын

If it was so easy to convict it would have happened already. Seems like there was not reason to put convictions into the show.

@fromcali2tn Ай бұрын

He should have done that before writing the show

@PariahQuail Ай бұрын

Ummm… that’s not gonna work 😂😊

@heybrowhatup Ай бұрын

Doesn’t work like that.

@ulthea Ай бұрын

I was thinking that would be the fun way to do it, shame it won't work that way 😅

@nemesishacking Ай бұрын

They SHOULD have written, Based on.

@charliegordon-qh2ll Ай бұрын

Why? It's a true story so how is Fiona going to prove Martha doesn't exist?

@JunFender-art Ай бұрын

they did it

@Dublin1008 Ай бұрын

Netflix deserve to pay, to sue Fiona is just another case!

@lindagray1809 27 күн бұрын

They wrotexa disclaimer on each episode. Donny type 'this is a true story' in the story.

@veevs1990 Ай бұрын

As much as I think Harvey is off her rocker… I don’t think Netflix did their due diligence. They’ll probably be paying her.

@SuperMelrose1 Ай бұрын

This. Doesn’t matter what anyone thinks about her. Legally, you have to do things the right way. Everyone is going against her having a case because they don’t like her, but that doesn’t really matter here.

@fionamclaren8506 Ай бұрын

@@SuperMelrose1 Exactly. Many have got emotionally caught up in this and their personal dislike of Harvey. Lawsuits create precedents and, if Harvey loses, that would mean that any of us could be portrayed as rapists, murderers, bank robbers etc with only our names withheld, and easily recognisable when there has been no criminal conviction. Just think of the havoc that would ensue with all kinds of grudges, child custody and money disputes being played out as dramas, books, songs etc. We need to look at the bigger picture here.

@SuperMelrose1 Ай бұрын

@@fionamclaren8506 agreed 1000%

@sophie.9317 Ай бұрын

Why don’t people sue twitter cuz that’s how people found her by how she was tweeting gadd

@KelleyTheAdvocate Ай бұрын

Exactly!! As much as I don’t like her either, they should have changed more things. Such as the posts she made on twitter and saying that she is a convicted stalker. You just can’t say things like that when it’s not true but calling it a true story. There’s a line that needs to be drawn.

@gorjessmama Ай бұрын

Also, I want to know if Richard Gadd has a counter claim against HER for all the things she has said about him (i.e. having HIV). I mean that's a serious accusation.

@debrachapman6165 Ай бұрын

I think it would be a travesty if Harvey receives any money for Netflix ruining her life when she has ruined the life of others

@kathleen4083 Ай бұрын

Laws are different in Scotland& UK for stalking sadly per the lawyer Fiona truly did torture for years. Pure money 💰 grab by her & lawyers representing her

@skyepalmer5719 Ай бұрын

Fiona probably thinks the legal team really believe shes a victim.

@mat-ym8gi Ай бұрын

Stalking is just texts thesedays. Nothing more

@denasewell Ай бұрын

What damage did she have to her reputation? She already had a horrible reputation and could not get a job due to her horrible behavior before she even med Gadd?

@EatHere Ай бұрын

Portraying someone as a convicted criminal when they are not is obviously damaging to their reputation

@denasewell Ай бұрын

@@EatHere This woman already had a horrible reputation and has never been able to keep a job due to her behavior. She would have to prove the defamation caused her to loose money as a result of the defamation.Also facts in the storywere changed to conceal her identity and Fiona is the person who confirmed she was the character Martha...People may have thought they found her but she could have denied it was her

@charleydee308 Ай бұрын

How come the lawyer and the so called victim have never watched the show?....what?

@Liz-cmc313 Ай бұрын

Even if she won, she'd never get that amount.

@ebayvideo6383 Ай бұрын

Exactly. After proving defamation she would have to prove damages since she has been outed.

@stephenwonghongweng4298 Ай бұрын

Lawyer is an ambulance chaser

@peterg4832 Ай бұрын

Look again carefully. It is the character Donny typing this is a true story not Netflix. Those words are part of the story.

@harryhill8543 Ай бұрын

And if she wins anything the money will go straight to the lawyer she stalked as she said she will sue based on what she said to Piers. Theres no point suing her now as she has no money. If you havent seen the interview with the lawyer she stalked you should, she obviously did more to this lawyer than she did to the guy.

@Stardusted1 Ай бұрын

Oh she’s absolutely LOVING this! Aren’t you Fiona, you crazy thing you! 😂😂😂

@sheilamcintosh5835 Ай бұрын

Netflix should settle as soon as they can. They have unfortunately made a mistake with this.

@ebayvideo6383 Ай бұрын

Yes. Sending that exec to parliament was a mistake. He said true story and convicted stalker. Not sure why there is a debate about whether the story is true or not.

@truthseeker1867 Ай бұрын

What mistake did they make? They covered there asses really well with the disclaimers, with the name changes and dramatisation of scenes. Not everything in a factual DRAMA is 100% factual.

@EllysaE Ай бұрын

Ok wait a minute … didn’t she out herself???

@atienoc3182 Ай бұрын

Netflix deserves this. They always rely on someone's words without due diligence.

@GDR1289 Ай бұрын

What I don’t understand is why is everyone only focusing on the stalker?! What about the man who was drugging and SA him.

@truthseeker1867 Ай бұрын

Finally someone else who speaks sense!

@Utoobeh4tesfreespeech 28 күн бұрын

And apparently people who know him have "regonized" him from the character too. But you don't see him outing himself saying "Yeah that's me" like Fiona

@lronbutters5688 Ай бұрын

I feel like if the genders were reversed this wouldn’t even be a conversation-sent from my iphoen

@EatHere Ай бұрын

True people are treating Richard as more credible then they would any women.

@mat-ym8gi Ай бұрын

Of course. Men are saints

@michellemoulton6708 Ай бұрын

What’s gonna happen if she wins and gets a big payday. She would have all that money to help her in her endeavours. 😬 I hope her victims come in and sue.

@ebayvideo6383 Ай бұрын

If she wins she would then have to prove monetary damages. I suspect Netflix will settle and her lawyers will be the winners in the end.

@skyepalmer5719 Ай бұрын

Especially Richard Gadds parents.😢

@chrissy212e Ай бұрын

This is the story that keeps on giving. I'm here for it. 🍿

@leoorchard5992 Ай бұрын

This could be the best thing for everyone...Netflix gets a bloody nose, Fiona is shown to be the phyco she is, and all her previous victims take all her winnings off her and get some justice for there harassment, and Fiona ends up just as broke as she was and world famous for her troubles...

@brandimccoy4454 Ай бұрын

She outed herself with Pies Morgan and her ridiculous Facebook posts. She’s insane and I would hate to see her get a penny!!

@mattym2542 Ай бұрын

Shes an absolute horror

@bailzzzzzz Ай бұрын

They should make a settlement with her with the caveat that she admits to the actions that were portrayed in the show. Then immediately sue her back for the actual crimes, and then take it all back with interest.

@heybrowhatup Ай бұрын

As Richard mentioned in show, she’s smarter than you think.

@sara_c907 Ай бұрын

I am genuinely shocked Netflix messed up this badly. It could have been avoided on their part had they done their homework.

@Dublin1008 Ай бұрын

Exactly, they deserve to pay! To sue Fiona for what she has allegedly done, is a complete other case!

@luinloki39 Ай бұрын

If this was a woman telling her story about being stalked and harrassed by a man 20 years older than her, every would be screaming 'yas queen' and 'believe her'! No one would be giving any sympathy to the guy.

@mari97216 Ай бұрын

Yes, it’s not fair. Doing something criminal should be equal no matter the gender.

@SuperMelrose1 Ай бұрын

Most people aren’t giving her sympathy, to be fair.

@whadis404 Ай бұрын

@@SuperMelrose1 there’s a Support Fiona Harvey support group

@EatHere Ай бұрын

Probably not people like you would probably be calling it false allegations

@sophie.9317 Ай бұрын

This is what gets to me

@MeanEileen916 Ай бұрын

FH could have denied it was her, like she denies other things. Her choices caused this.

@cherylsmith9042 Ай бұрын

I cannot believe a stalker could be awarded for her behaviour for any biased slanderous character portrayal in a film!!! When we as the public know she is guilty of an ongoing pattern of stalking other people! Don’t you think it’s rather ironic that she doesn’t want to be portrayed in a bad way yet that’s exactly what she did in real life when made false accusations against people who suffered great fear and stress! So I hope Netflix even if they didn’t guard privacy enough don’t settle and fight her all the way through court!

@Colleenscooter Ай бұрын

Did she even realize she had a case before Piers Morgan told her? You could almost see the light go on in her head when he said it.

@williamfields4534 Ай бұрын

I have not watched the show. I watch movies for entertainment and “true story” or not makes no difference. We’re making far too much out of this part. I have read Harvey’s Facebook accounts. The ones I found credibly hers were later privatized. She not only posts vile comments but 20-30 second videos, clearly her. She began trying to clean up after mid-April. Her focus was on changing her presentation in prep for the lawsuit. I would like to know if your attorney believes Harvey will testify. I do not believe she could make it 5 minutes without perjuring herself. Unless she truly has real evidence of earnings or actual damages, how does she justify $170 million. I believe the average person will find her not credible and a real stalker. If this was about a male stalker trying to line his pockets, no chance.

@williamfields4534 Ай бұрын

God forbid we reward a stalker with her baggage. I believe Netflix has receipts.

@Blooderfly17 Ай бұрын

I can't STAND the thought of her getting anything from Netflix not one red cent! She did terrible things and doesn't deserve to be rewarded for this behavior! She won't get the $170 million because she's not loosing work and never worked as a lawyer and it didn't cause her to lose income.

@mat-ym8gi Ай бұрын

It doesn't need to. She's been ruined for her whole life down to this program.

@ulthea Ай бұрын

@@mat-ym8gi she still won't get that huge amount if it plays out as it should. Her personality prevented her from having a meaningful life well before this publicity came along. It's a shame they can't bring her narcissism into record because she very likely is doing the opposite of suffering with all the drama - a narcissists dream 😂 I think she'll get a couple million at most, and then I look forward to watching as she gets taken for her winnings by her victims. Man this has been the most excitement I've had on here since Amber heards stunning performance 😂

@serinadelmar6012 Ай бұрын

2:01 it is the character Donnie writing his story which is why you see him typing it only at the beginning when you are already in the story, it’s not at the start of the show and there is disclaimer. As you have not watched it you probably would not have seen the common literary technique.

@judithmorganjudyteen Ай бұрын

Annoying that he comments without watching it

@kmc717 Ай бұрын

I agree. People in uproar (Piers, Andy,Stef, this barrister) over the ‘this is a true story’ did not watch the whole series or did not pay attention while watching. The typing is done by Donnie, it’s Donnie, not Richard, not Netflix.

@DaniMacYo Ай бұрын

I’m not surprised it’s Netflix.

@jadelyth7397 Ай бұрын

But doesn’t she have to prove a loss of earnings to win? I thought it had to be a quantifiable damage, not just “well they embarrassed me”

@mat-ym8gi Ай бұрын

It will be life long abuse and suffering she will have. Possibly even physical attacks for the rest of her life

@KelleyTheAdvocate Ай бұрын

The very fact there’s defamation, that’s enough right there.

@jadelyth7397 Ай бұрын

It will be interesting to follow that’s for sure!

@user-pl9by3gq9x Ай бұрын

yes she was the stalker and in the wrong but she wasn't convicted - they said she was - this is the loophole for her

@NotFalling4it Ай бұрын

So she exposes herself in order to stalk Gadd all over again and then wants to sue. She’s pathological and just plain awful.

@mariaobrien8228 Ай бұрын

She was outed by people on u tube did you not listen just jump to conclusions

@TXTrojan Ай бұрын

the series Fargo states "this is a true story". But that turned out to be untrue. When discussing the reason for the lie, the Coen brothers were trying to creating a feeling/fascination for the viewers. it worked in my opinion. it was a work of fiction, not a documentary. However, Richard Gadd acting in his own story made it easier to find people associated with the show.

@Julia-zz3gl Ай бұрын

Netflix stood in parliament and stated that it was a true story.

@ebayvideo6383 Ай бұрын

That exec also said she was a convicted stalker. Clearly he has no evidence of that.

@Julia-zz3gl Ай бұрын

@@ebayvideo6383 I agree it's appalling.

@whadis404 Ай бұрын

I believe that the ONLY privacy this woman cares about is her own! Calling family services on 2 families.. essentially calling them abusers!! She is awful Worse than Gadd or Netflix will ever be!

@CandySchmitz-zw5ky Ай бұрын

He did an interview and he said i changed her name because he didnt want her to be harassed. She outed herself

@user-eu7bx7cb8c Ай бұрын

I disagree that Fiona has zero basis - Netflix put a disclaimer in the series and Richard asked not to go trying to find the characters. They cannot be held responsible for what others do. The only thing Fiona is doing is guaranteeing she will not be able to do this without legal consequences in the future. The entire world knows who she is now and she will be under a microscope from here on. If it goes to court, then ALL her behaviors will be public knowledge. Classic example of ‘shooting her self in the foot’.

@gincatt4783 Ай бұрын

You can hear the clicks of the keyboard of a word processor so the character typed the character said it was a true story …

@theresasarjeant7673 Ай бұрын

Fiona stoped stalking Richard at some point. I think the only way she would have stopped was if there was a restraining order of some sort.

@judithmorganjudyteen Ай бұрын

Laura Wray said there was one.

@Fleur-de-Liss954 Ай бұрын

Bring it to trial! Let the evidence speak for its self!

@katharinewhits Ай бұрын

I pray she doesn't win.

@mat-ym8gi Ай бұрын

I pray she does so that victimising yourself doesn't become Aby more mind stream than it already is. Victimisation shouldn't be a way to get fame

@charliegordon-qh2ll Ай бұрын

Since this is a true story how is Fiona going to prove Martha doesn't exist? How is Fiona going to prove that Gadd wasn't stalked by a person named Martha, since this is a true story? How does Fiona know that Martha Scott didn't do anything to Donny Dunn? Since it is a true story then Fiona would have to prove Martha didn't do anything to Donny, how does she do that? Edit: Added comment

@mypillowguy445 Ай бұрын

Good point. She would have to argue in court that she is a serial stalker that got away with.

@MaritaSynnestvedt Ай бұрын

What about Gadd telling Donny Dunn’s true story? Is that not enough?

@cargojacker Ай бұрын

Agreed, and the story is told from Donny's perspective and hkw he experienced it in his mind.. to him a restraining order could feel like a conviction.. that being said.. if someone makes a series or movie about the true story of Albert Einstein and is formed by things he said, does that mean everything is factually true? Or does that mean it's true in his mind? .. stories are just stories (personal accounts) and not police investigations. Also stories told in the main public are not testimonies given under oath. People are just too gullible to believe if someone says "this is a true story" to assume that they are 100% factual and that the storyteller tells their story based on researched facts and is under some kind of oath. Its up to the listener(receiver) to put question marks to what anybody says and make the distinction between what the storyteller believes to be true and how he experienced their personal truth. So when somebody tells a "true story" this is a 1 sided account of how they preceived their truth.

@rruysch Ай бұрын

this is part 2 of the argument. part 1 is that ppl know who she is. it doesnt matter that it was a fictional character who said it (besides the netflix guy who said it himself) he or his characters can say whatever they want. ppl shouldnt have been able to find who he was talking about. this video is just talking to a lawyer about part 2. part 1 doesnt need to be argued because she was found... its undeniable that ppl found out who she was very quickly. u cant defame someone if no one knows who ur talking about. they're not talking about the first part - that ppl found out who she is - because it doesnt need to be stated. its fact.

@rruysch Ай бұрын

@@cargojacker exactly - u only get one side. if ppl made a story about einstein and said he was a racist his family/estate would be the one to call it out. in this case its fiona. the point is that these ppl exist and they also have a side to tell which means it isnt fair to only tell the one. they're just talking about the stalking vs harrsment because thats what they said was true when she argues it wasnt but she wouldnt need to defend herself against a fictional show and a fictional line written by a fictional character if no one knew who she was.... netflix seriously screwed up. its fucked that a stalker will get justification bcos of it.

@cargojacker Ай бұрын

@@rruysch people assumed it was ber because of 1 tweet (hanging the drapesj which is not an out of this world statement and could have been said by anybody who can form a sentence. It was Narvey herself that made it known that it was her who the series was talking about. By her own admission. Are we acting like the rest of the world doesnt have drapes? Or that there are not people that made a profession of hanging drapes? She saw the series (which she said she didnt but in the interview she told several facts she only could have seen in the series) and felt adressed by it and thus felt the need to tell the world it was about her. She didnt stateonce,ever, that the series was not about her.. she never made the point that it must be about someone else because she doesnt know anybody by the name of Donny. She was loving the attention and wanted everybody to know that it was her. She could of denied it had anything to do with her but she chose to defame herself by admitting it must be about her.. her full name was never used, she could have denied it had anything to do with her. Yet she went on Pierce Morgan and told the world that it was her. Up to her self snitching the world only could guessed it was her but she went in and confirmed it herself.

@cargojacker Ай бұрын

@@rruysch she could have gone to any network and made a series telling her side of the story.. im 100% sure any network would have loved this.. dont act like she doesnt have the resources to tell her perspective.. a whole team of producers would have jumped on this. This is not about the truth, how could it be? She lies left and right about everything as you could see in the Wray interview.. this is about her getting her moment of fame and getting money from it. We have seen in the Wray interview that Harvey is willing to get free money from people that have no obligation to pay her in any way.. did you forget that she wanted more money from Pierce Morgan after she did the interview? This is not about the truth getting out and clearing her name.. this is about getting paid.

@Jen7867 Ай бұрын

Good to see BlackBeltBarrister on the show. Thanks for the info, guys. 🙂

@adib.72 Ай бұрын

She doesn't deserve anything from this. She isn't the one that brought those story to netflix. She just wants a quick buck!

@idylledoll Ай бұрын

Even if she was never convicted, she has also said that the series was not even about her so doesn't that statement just negate the significance of any details depicting her character? Before you put a legal case together, get your fucking story straight. How is anything she says credible when she changes it every 5 mins?

@CaroleEvans93436 Ай бұрын

I saw a comment yesterday - the 'true story' is about a character called 'Donny Dunn' - based on Richard Gadd's life. So, in the fictitious world of Donny Dunn, his stalker was convicted. I hope Netflix see all the comments on here

@cherylsmith9042 Ай бұрын

Yes absolutely nothing she says is credible she’s a prolific liar!!!

@mouselander Ай бұрын

THE CHARACTER DONNIE TYPES “This is a true story” ! types!! It only appears on the computer screen! This is part of the body of the story! I wouldn’t even hear the case if I was a judge!

@jewelssunsun9450 Ай бұрын

I wish people would get this into their heads! Also, black belt barrister hasn't even watched it, so isn't aware of the context of it.

@judithmorganjudyteen Ай бұрын

@@jewelssunsun9450agree, barrister should have watched it.He's relying on other people's opinio

@rachelletten2342 Ай бұрын

I was shouting at my screen, bloody watch it before commenting!!!! DONNY TYPES IT! And there's a disclaimer at the end of each episode!

@mouselander Ай бұрын

@@rachelletten2342 So right! ✌🏾❤️

@jewelssunsun9450 Ай бұрын

@@rachelletten2342 Indeed!

@James_Bowie Ай бұрын

"It is obviously a true story" he says. Yet no one on that committee asks "why do you say obviously"?

@mikeybrown513 Ай бұрын

She outed herself. If she wouldn't have, no one would know who she is. It's a money grab. I don't think she'll get a penny.

@AmyB369 Ай бұрын

Well I think they used some of her actual messages to him and that led people to her. So it would’ve been smart for Netflix to alter her messages

@EatHere Ай бұрын

False, tons of people found her immediately.

@cathycathy3674 21 күн бұрын

No, she didn't... internet lunatics stalked her and found her... then they accused her of being a convicted stalker, which she isn't...if that was you are you going to just shut up and let the world believe lies about you? Would you take the internet abuse quietly? Nah, you'd come out , denounce the liars and get a lawyer. Mental illness is not a valid reason for defamation... neither is murder, or any crime. This law is in place because some 'types' of people believe psychological weakness is an excuse to treat those people who suffer from it differently to others....

@jodie8687 Ай бұрын

I have a theory that they were well aware Fiona would try to sue and this is one way to putting the whole issue to bed for good.

@kristinakennedy8266 Ай бұрын

She identified herself! She shouldn’t get rewarded for outing herself. Just because she wasn’t convicted doesn’t mean there aren’t piles of evidence that she stalked him. All he has to do is bring documentation of her ongoing harassment. The biggest issue is the law doesn’t properly address or prevent stalking. If anyone should be at fault it’s the justice system for failing victims of stalking.

@reginamekler8933 Ай бұрын

I think Gad fcked over Netflix by him telling them that it was all true when now we know it ISN'T.

@SydMountaineer Ай бұрын

The most significant ‘duty of care’ that Netflix missed, which is putting MANY known & unknown people in danger, is this: *Don’t give or incite a dangerous, destructive person* (like Fiona) *ANY opportunity to gain money, power, & control that they could use to hurt others, and do not acknowledge their delusional victimhood which is more empowering for them than money is .* Leaving her any type of opening to sue (or even settle) puts past, present, & future victims in danger, *it’s like giving a sociopathic murderer tons of money & weapons, and acknowledging that their were wronged by their VICTIMS.*

@beadot8629 Ай бұрын

BIG difference between ‘convicted stalker’ and ‘convicted of stalking’.

@crishdavies650 Ай бұрын

This is a true story, could be a state of mind, the way you question yourself and the truth when you are sucked into the vortex of the behaviours a person like Martha can subject you to. I've been there, people I needed to believe me didn't believe me or minimised it, which added to the trauma. I wanted and needed clarity and validation.

@firstandlastname6601 Ай бұрын

I hope she either buys a little island far away from people or invests in the best psychiatrist's

@richardsoper777 Ай бұрын

The certificate is on a Basic DBS check, it does not show spent convictions. She would need an Enhanced DBS check to show all convictions even those that are spent

@whatiwasgoingtosay Ай бұрын

She has no reputation or life to destroy. She deserves nothing.

@carol-anneobrien1511 Ай бұрын

She made it clear that she wanted monetary gain. This isn't about being damaged, this is her wanting money because others made money from it. Eh, hello? Whether she was convicted or not, there is proof everywhere of her abusive behaviour - her reputation cannot be damaged because she damaged her own reputation by her abysmal behaviour. No abusive person should EVER be compensated for their victims telling their story. I'm coming from personal experience- I've suffered much trauma; and the thought that those people could profit from my pain makes me sick to my stomach. My heart goes out to Richard and all fionas other victims. And if she has people supporting her - then they are clearly just as damaged, and goodness help her karma

@teebellerina8783 Ай бұрын

Hey popcorn guy! Being called a convicted criminal is NOT semantics. You are or your aren’t. It’s a shame all of this is happening, though. The whole situation is a crying shame all round. 🫣 Edit - It will STILL be settled despite Netflix’s statement. 🙄😂 (nowhere near the asking amount though)

@SchoMar Ай бұрын

Fargo also says 'This is a true story' but is totally fictional. Could be something they might have been trying to pay homage to.

@Maria-N-Alfie-Po Ай бұрын

It would be brilliant if she ended up being convicted and punished instead of rewarded!! Will this trial be filmed like the Johnny vs Amber one?

@erin5712 Ай бұрын

I hope she wins something small so the lawyer that she stalked can sue her.

@OhTanty Ай бұрын

People often start a joke with the words ‘this is a true story…’ which introduces the comedian theme. Also it’s typed as if Martha or a character is writing it. So, strictly speaking, it’s a character’s voice within the show that’s saying ‘this is a true story’, not the writer or Netflix.

@ebayvideo6383 Ай бұрын

Agree with the point but then why did the Netflix executive refer to her as a convicted stalker?

@talltrees358 Ай бұрын

So she goes on Pierc show lies an lies that she is innocent of ever stalking anyone yet she did for years and more than one person.Wont work.

@srolfe40 Ай бұрын

She’s done way more damage to herself by coming forward and doing interviews, than the show did. In my humble opinion. Simply because she’s proving that a lot of what was show is true with the way she’s acting.

@judithmorganjudyteen Ай бұрын

The barrister would have been better of watching the thing instead of taking other people's opinions on board

@alexicruz311 Ай бұрын

convicted or not in reality... she is a stalker, she's THE offender

@Annettekinder Ай бұрын

The character "Donny" typed the words..."This is a true story". She needs to get a job. No payday here.

@babyirene3188 Ай бұрын

Much better guest. Your lawyer episodes are strong.

@Foudedanse Ай бұрын

Not the first time Netflix let lies be presented as truth. Ahem.

@truthseeker1867 Ай бұрын

What lies? It's a drama. Not a documentary. Every factual drama has fictional elements to change the story, characters, etc.

@BestCoastLife Ай бұрын

Even if Netflix says “This is Richard Gadd’s story and we will defend his right to tell it.” It’s still negligent on their part that they didn’t search court records for criminal charges against Martha/Fiona. They had to have known this part was false. Anyways, it will be interesting how this turns out.

@itsreeeshaaa7560 Ай бұрын

How do we even know that Fiona is who Martha is based on? Netflix and Richard haven’t acknowledged her as being Martha. She says she never did anything to Richard by saying she’s the person that Richard is talking about. She’s desperate for money and infamy.

@vikkitee4686 Ай бұрын

But she clearly said that it wasn't her when she was on the Pierce Morgan show and he never said it was her. So where's the issue 🤷‍♀️. She is making it about her, she could be anyone

@vikkitee4686 Ай бұрын

I didn't know who this woman was until she made herself known

@helenn7577 Ай бұрын

Surely she must show not only its not ALL true but, 1. damage to her character and 2. Loss? What loss either financial or her character? Surely the financial payment will and has to reflect her loss? Also look at the lies and defamation she has said about everyone she spoke about?