If your not using chronograph data your not comparing apples to apples, so until you remove the not proven box data your still guessing. In reality most hunters, who break out their rifles a few times a year could not shoot a 1 MOA group at a hundred yards when Backfire sat for two days taking any and all who were sure they could do it, much less shooting at 300 to 400 yards.

100%

Hornady is really dishonest anyways, they will lie, cheat and steal to sell their products. Back around 2005. I asked them to make me a custom round, they made it and then claimed the credit for it, even though I'm the one that thought of it. .

@@takedeadaim8671 I agree with you but the manufacturers have an obligation to give the most accurate information possible on the box.

100%, they lost my business for pulling that!

Damn right! I almost NEVER get stated velocity out of the manual. Hell, I've got several manuals that show waaay different load data in the same components with different results.

Ya, I don't trust any velocity data in Hornady's reloading books! Nosler and Berger yes!!!!! Hornady hell no!!

Also faster doesn't always means better. Some projectiles have ideal velocity range and you should strive for that, for maximum damage inflicted.

​@@trentsnaza3372 Sierra is also fairly close with their velocities. But hornady is really not even close to real life velocity

@francoisbuys8783 yes they are! You are correct

I like 7mm mag better

10-4 on that !

If it's still more common in the stores it's still better. Handloading is always excluded but you always have to consider the availability in case of a hunting ammo emergency. 7mm prc will not be on the shelf in the middle of nowhere mom and pop shop

The tested and proved 7mag will always be tops

Which sounds better 7 mm Remington mag or a 7mm prissy

Agree but repeatable really has nothing to do with Hornady and how they have handle this.

@michaelthrelkeld212 So the first loads were at advertised speeds. The rest weren't. None of this would affect me, but that's the lack of repeatability, that I referenced.

Preach it! Brother!!!!!!!!

@@kerryfalls3292 I yam I yam!

Yep yep. I got some better velocity and groups using Federal’s 7 mag load. Hornady may still lead the pack in advertising and marketing though.

In 308 the box says 2600 fps 178edlx. My chronograph says that’s what it shoots. I wonder why the 7prc is so far off. Maybe barrel length is the difference.

@@randysmith8604 Don't think so. Hornady developed the 7PRC, as I understand it, with a 24" barrel in mind. The repeated answer we get from Hornady is that when they first tested ammo, they secured quite a bit of Reloder 26 powder. Thus, box billed velocities were accurate at 2950 to 3000fps ELDM, ELDX. They ran out of powder, tested more powders, got good velocities with some but accuracy lacked. Went with a more consistent powder for accuracy but velocity suffered. Hornady didn't bother to change labels with updated velocities.

They aren’t having a problem man they are skimping on purpose to rob Americans to load ammo for the war machine lol wake up.

Unfortunately the powder issue is gonna get worse according to other folks in the industry. Better get what you can now no matter the caliber.

I do not understand why federal has correct powder but hornady doesn't why?

Federal just happened to buy way more being a bigger company and when Covid hit the powder Industry shut down and is barely catching up as well as the government buying up components.

Wait till Federal gets to sell all their business to a Czechoslovakian investor and see how tough it is to get anything.

If by, "rock your world", you mean equal a 7mm rem mag, then yes.

That isnt a hornady problem. These use different lengths and twist to find averages. Your rifle varies

@@Yettiattackpeople are getting close to box velocity with Federal loaded ammo in 7prc. The Hornady ammo has been incredibly slow due to the fact they cannot get RL26 anymore. Any Hornady Precision Hunter ammo I have ran across a chrono has been around 100 fps slower or more in 4 different cartridges I have shot it from. All my barrels are 24” and use standard twist rates.

My thoughts exactly

My Bergara shoots 3/4 or better if I do my part. That’s with multiple powder weights with the 180 eld m bullets. I just like the fact that there’s no stupid belt on the thing.

Every company uses the best possible SAAMI barrel for their velocities. The only ammo I’ve ever had that met published velocities is 5.56 ammo out of my 20” A2 clone.

I am 2880fps from a 22” barrel with 195gr berger eols

Yes! Dont understand the concept with big case small caliber and a short barrel.

Will Hornady ever start producing 6.8 Western

@@peterluttgens3364 They have flat-out said "No!"

That's not what happened but ok lol

Pretty much.

6.8 western is the most overrated round in the last 20 years. Almost zero gain over the ancient 270 and doesn't fit in true short actions

A 26 is really impractical in the field with a can. What off the shelf gun is coming with that barrel? PRCs are coming factory set up for the job. That's the point

@@loganmorton9304 belt reloading sucks

@@ChiquitaSpeaks why? The belt is ignored.

@@loganmorton9304 it’s well noted how the belt can become an issue for reloading

People forget this way too easily. When tryingbto test their limits, they should be on a range. My grandfather always said, "have enough respect for the game you hunt to kill it as quickly and efficiently as possible. If you can't do that, leave your guns at home."

that makes absolute sense. there isn't a lot of rl-26 to go around and if the company can source direct from a sister company they can keep the velocities where they should be. and being sibling companies federal would have 1st priority.

👍👍 yup

Thanks so much. I'm working hard at it. Where u been? 🤣

I sure wouldn’t mind picking your brain on your load data, I just picked up the very same rifle and have about 3/4 the needed setup to begin reloading.

@@IR8GRANDSRT8 I'll be completely honest with you, man. I don't share load data strictly for Liability reasons. I can tell you what components I'm using, but I can't share Charge weights or OAL. I'd be more than glad to walk you through some of the processes that I go through to find the most accurate loads, though.

I completely understand, I am looking more for what powders you’ve found success in regards to accuracy and velocity with which bullets, the charge I can work up to no problem. There’s so many powders that “work” for the 7PRC but finding that great one to three can be quite spendy. Since you have same platform I figured I’d hit you up. I’ve been watching Little Crow Gun Works 4 caliber comparison and figured I’d try three powders he suggested and work my own charge data. Thank you in advance, I appreciate your kind response!

@@IR8GRANDSRT8 I actually have two 7mm PRC rifles. The Seekins, which was the upgrade, and a Ruger American Go Wild. Both the Ruger and the Seekins have LOVED H1000 and the 175gr ELD-X. I tried developing a load for the 195gr Berger EOL over Retumbo in the Ruger rifle, which has a 24", like most 7mm PRC's, and I couldn't get the velocity where i wanted it to be. It was fantastically accurate though. Another .2MOA grouping load. All loads were developed with ADG brass. It's pretty good stuff, I just don't think it's worth what they sell it for. Upon unboxing, which keep in mind that the brass ships in nice plastic ammo boxes, and has foam on top to keep the necks in good shape, I found that every single neck was out of round. They also had excessive neck tension, so, I had to run them over the expander ball anyway. The weight variation between cases wasn't as tight as it should have been, and the neck wall thickness wasn't nearly as consistent as cheaper brass. Basically, it was Hornady quality brass at more that Lapua pricing. That said, once I got the necks rounded, and turned them all to a consistent thickness, it has performed as you would expect a premium brass to perform. The primer pockets are great, and I believe they will last a long, long time. I wrote a full, in depth review on Bullet Central if you're interested in reading it. With the Seekins, I am using H1000 with the 175gr ELD-X, and Ramshot Grand for the 195gr Berger. My MagnetoSpeed tells me i'm at 2988 on the ELD-X, and 2930 on the Berger. I did run into a little bit of high pressure signs at the book max charge of Ramshot Grand when I did my ladder test. But, I found a node that had a 2fps spread between shots, that did group sub-moa, but, I want it to be tighter, so I'm still tweaking that load. I will say, the velocity gain from a 24" to a 26" barrel wasn't as significant as I had hoped it would be, but, that Seekins is just something else. My "fouling" group with it was .6", lol.

The whole point of the 7PRC is to get custom 7MM performance with factory ammo and guns 1-8 twist and tight chamber tolerances are SAAMI standard for 7PRC

Federal shows 2,950 for the 170 grain terminal ascent I have got over 3,000 in a 24 inch barrel so not true hornady ammo is the issue not the caliber

@@Matt-en1kn I’ve seen federal miss the velocity on other cartridges. Not just the 7 prc. One of my friends was really disappointed in some 270 wsm loads from federal. He sent them back to federal and they refunded or replaced them I don’t remember. I don’t think it’s just a certain cartridge or brand. Some of the Remington in the 300 win mag was a couple hundred fps below box velocity for my uncle also. The Winchester loads was really close on velocity in the same gun on the same day. I might be wrong but that’s been my limited experience. Happy hunting and good luck.

@Off-target-xy6bx I also have a 270wsm the federal fusions was close for me also maybe it varies from lot to lot

Yup

Yes they are going to help

Already did several. Will do more

I think remington builds sps with a fast twist 24 in. barrel. Get your boys to send you one in 7mm "rem" mag to represent and load up some heavy bullets. Let's have a real showdown.

​@@WHOTEEWHOI will go and check them out

Velocity isn't everything

@@HazardousRob tell that to Roy Weatherby

@@HazardousRob velocity is what makes bullets lethal. Setting that aside the point is honesty in advertising. People aren't upset because the bullets aren't going 3,000 ft per second. They are upset because they bought a gun based on a cartridge that claims 3,000 ft per second and doesn't live up to the promise.

6.8 western has zero industry support

I have a270 wsm that I’m having the 1:10 barrel replaced with a 1:8 barrel then I can shoot the heavy for caliber bullets as well!

@@forrestebert5276 no 270 wsm brass avail, most of the factory ammo is very old stock, except for norma. I think the cartage is almost dead.

@@eggbert191 it should have Its a great cartridge

@@eggbert191 That’s starting to change… ADG brass company claims they will start producing brass by the end of this year and should be available for consumers shortly after that. Finally, we’ll see some quality brass over Olin. Barnes, Nosler, Sierra, Berger, Winchester, Browning are all producing bullets for the 6.8 Western with high BC. Choice Ammunition wrote me that Hammer will be coming out with an all copper bullet for the 6.8 Western as well. Browning, Winchester, Christensen Arms, Fierce, and Seekins are all producing rifles for the Western as well. It’s starting to pick up steam. It’s an excellent cartridge

Doesnt smoke the 7prc lmao. The stupidity of people is amazing

@@HazardousRobfound the Hornady fanboy. The factory loadings for each in mind, the 6.8 does smoke it lol and it’s not close.

@@HazardousRob That’s funny, because everything I’ve watched, the 6.8 Western is getting better results, all while using less powder and getting better accuracy!!

Hats been for sale for 2 years I just forget to tell people about it

@@WHOTEEWHO oh crap lol. Well. They are pretty sweet man!

🙏🙏🙏

With the real velocity not what’s on the box

Exactly what they did is criminal and quite frankly theft by deception

chronograph

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