Why an angled back cut is dangerous and unecessary when hinge cutting a tree

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Extreme Deer Habitat

Extreme Deer Habitat

10 жыл бұрын

It is very common to see people doing an angled back cut when they hinge cut trees for whitetail deer habitat. This is an improper and unsafe way to cut a tree whether you are cutting by conventional methods to fell a tree by using a face cut and back cut, or hinge cutting for deer habitat.
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Novice inexperienced tree fellers believe that by angling the back cut they will keep the tree from falling over backwards. In fact, a tree is more likely to fall backwards with an angled cut because the cut creates an angled lever that will break the tree across the grain of the wood. If the cutter goes too far or the tree is more fragile and weak than he thought, when the tree breaks it will fall forward off the stump, displacing the top of the tree and causing it to fall backwards.
In contrast, if a feller cuts too far through with a flat cut, and the tree leans back, a lever is created that pulls up along the grain of the wood. It requires only a tiny amount of holding wood to keep a tree from falling over backwards with a flat back cut. Think about how easy it is to break a half inch diameter branch across the grain and how are it is to break a 1/4 inch branch by pulling on the ends. That is the difference between an angled back cut and a flat back cut.
Not only that, but it requires more than twice as much work by the cutter and the saw to make an angled back cut as it does a flat back cut.
In this video,I demonstrate with a handsaw that it takes more than twice as many strokes to make the cut angled at 45 degrees as it does flat, and the resulting hinge is much weaker than the hinge made with a flat cut.
After viewing hundreds of tree disasters on youtube, where trees fall over backwards and land on houses and cars, I believe about 1.3 of those disasters are cause by an angled back cut. Another one third are cause by making the face cut too deep (conventional cutting), and almost all tree fails arise from not leaving enough holding wood in place to keep the tree stable.
Angled back cuts while hinge cutting for deer habitat will result in far more break offs and dead trees than a flat cut, because the flat cut results in a more stable hinge.
Be safe and make sure you always make the cut as flat and horizontal as possible. Safety first while felling a tree. Always wear protective equipment.

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@curbappeal3397
@curbappeal3397 4 жыл бұрын
I have successfully felled two trees of around 20-30 feet tall, with angled back cuts and another person on the rope. I feel extremely lucky that neither of them fell the wrong way, and that I’ve learned better before I do another one. Thanks.
@ScottWConvid19
@ScottWConvid19 6 жыл бұрын
I've been cutting the wrong way for years. It wasn't until I came across a couple of 2' cherry trees (one hanging into the other) that I thought to capitalize on some safety info on KZfaq. I'm glad I did, because now I'm relearning some basic methods that ate nor common sense until they're taught. Thank you for posting this video. It's mere physics and gravity. Simple.
@thechronicgeneralist
@thechronicgeneralist 5 жыл бұрын
Completely agree with the explanation. As for the number of cuts, it's probably worse because you're using a cross cutting hand saw but you're right about the extra distance to cut
@corax2012
@corax2012 4 жыл бұрын
Never seen anyone dim enough to cut a tree like that. :) I look at the natural tendency and other dynamics when planning felling a tree with minimal equipment. I have used winches to help in awkward situations ... no skinny rope ... big winch, truck tow straps. Folks don't realize how dang heavy trees really are. Another good tip ... take your time, and have planned escape routs ... and I mean drop your shit and run, because your life might depend on it. Trees and nature are unforgiving.
@davej7458
@davej7458 5 жыл бұрын
Extremely interesting. Not a cut I would ever use, and now I know exactly why I shouldn't. Thank you.
@gooddrugsfarm9105
@gooddrugsfarm9105 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks I needed that! We have a lot of trees on our property and paying someone isn't an option. I've noticed over the past few months that I've been slightly angling my back cuts more and more. It "felt" safer but that's another reason not to act on feelings. Thanks again!
@timobrien2738
@timobrien2738 2 жыл бұрын
I was taught never ever to cut a back cut angled but couldn’t explain to my buddies why not. Now I can.
@gregjohnson5194
@gregjohnson5194 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, no angled back cuts. You saved me some grief. Thanks
@consitutionalconservative6624
@consitutionalconservative6624 6 жыл бұрын
I grew up cutting wood, in Oregon. I have never seen anybody cut a tree down like shown on here. the last two trees dropped are great examples of how a barber chair is formed. We always did a face cut to build the hinge, the back cut would be level. this puts the fulcrum in the middle of the stump, preventing kick-back & barber chairs from forming. the idea is to get it to break clean and have the butt of the tree to follow the top down. I'm talking about trees 3ft in diameter or larger tho....
@dougswett8709
@dougswett8709 5 жыл бұрын
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@ryankc3631
@ryankc3631 5 жыл бұрын
That is exactly what the video advocates.
@mtadams2009
@mtadams2009 5 жыл бұрын
I believe he was only showing the back cut, I think he confused some with the way he explained it.
@TCSawmills
@TCSawmills 6 жыл бұрын
Great instructional video, I hope beginning tree cutters will listen to your advice. Years ago when I was in college, I would put a back cut in like you were explaining. I have since learned the proper way to cut a tree. Thanks again.
@Ringof117A
@Ringof117A 6 ай бұрын
I have done the angled cuts a time or two, but it was on small trees, was trying to figure out with a friend, why it was bad to do on big trees and why everyone went to the horizontal cut, you explained well, thanks
@teasouth_SC
@teasouth_SC 6 жыл бұрын
The best to the point vid on this subject I've seen yet, thank you.
@HavokTheorem
@HavokTheorem 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I just got my first petrol chainsaw and got to the point where I was considering whether it was worth angling the backcut in order to induce a slide away from the cut. I was correct in that assumption, but thanks to this video it has become apparent that the side effect is the tree falling backwards because that sliding moment is at the bottom of the tree!
@chrishagerty5467
@chrishagerty5467 7 жыл бұрын
ive been taught and have been cutting trees the wrong way a long long time it appears. everything you just said makes perfect sense and i will be changing my practice from now on thank you
@markschiavone8003
@markschiavone8003 6 жыл бұрын
chris hagerty , what about the barber chair...it looks like every tree he cut with this method resulted in the very dangerous barberchair.
@ScottWConvid19
@ScottWConvid19 6 жыл бұрын
mark schiavone look up how to prevent them. The angle cut is not a safe practice
@mongjedi244
@mongjedi244 6 жыл бұрын
Check out the 5 step felling plan for a nice informative short video. I'm affiliated in zero way shape or form
@user-mp9rd4hg8b
@user-mp9rd4hg8b 6 жыл бұрын
I don't understand. Why would you use an angled cut on such a tiny tree anyway? Angled cuts are for large trees that could pinch the blade and trap your saw.
@Jacob_180
@Jacob_180 6 жыл бұрын
Apparently what he is doing is creating habitat for deer. He knocks the tree over but leaves enough attached so it remains alive. It's not something I'm all that familiar with though. As for angled back cuts on larger trees though, no you don't want to do it there either. I would say the larger the tree the more important this is. The weight of the stem on that sloped cut (as the video shows) can cause it to slide off and do all kinds of unpredictable things. If you're worried (even if you aren't actually - you never know when a slight gust of wind might push the tree back or you might just misread the lean or CG of the tree) about a larger tree setting back and pinching your bar you should have a wedge seated as soon as you have room for it. Then if the tree does sit on your bar you can still wedge it over.
@richszweda6691
@richszweda6691 4 жыл бұрын
Ditto the previous comment about checking limb weight and lean. If it so happens that the tree is plumb straight vertically and there are more limbs on one side of the tree than the other gravity is going to pull the tree to fall in that direction, possibly regardless of the hinge direction.
@dwolfe2907
@dwolfe2907 5 жыл бұрын
I was jusssst about to get into that bad habit- but I'm fixing it today ,thank you so much for this information.
@generic5191
@generic5191 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir for the informative info. I had 3 large 40 foot maples. I was going to angle cut, instead I decided to try it your way. (btw this was my first attempt to cut a tree). It was so simple and bulls eye precise. Did it this morning and all tress down within 1 hour.
@PanteraDeNoche
@PanteraDeNoche 6 жыл бұрын
Newbie here and I'd been doing it wrong for a while. Learning what the "hinge" is was a huge eye opener for me on why doing it was wrong. I can't remember the video where I learned that though. This is a good demonstration on it too.
@casselskeep
@casselskeep 6 жыл бұрын
This is exactly the question I wanted answered. Thanks.
@harrypehkonen
@harrypehkonen 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent demonstrations! Makes perfect sense! It's easier to learn and remember if you know the "why".
@therianstrauss
@therianstrauss 7 жыл бұрын
This was really interesting. Thank you.
@ejleonard
@ejleonard 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you - very much appreciate this advice as a beginner
@stevemiller6766
@stevemiller6766 6 жыл бұрын
Very good demonstration. Thank you!
@jimmyt5241
@jimmyt5241 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this .I have a leaner over a home tommorow .I may apply this method to pull the tree over away from home halfway up the tree .ty
@magnum8264
@magnum8264 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for informing people exactly why this is wrong and dangerous to do and how to do it the right way!
@sofjanmustopoh7232
@sofjanmustopoh7232 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much . All these piles of advice and tutorial i got from handyman, jobber and old timer . many of them are wrong. My Husqvarna guide said exactly what you said in the video. but all the other oldtimer and mr know it all would not take the advice from the Pro and the chainsaw company. But I AM . thank to your video
@alecmclean9178
@alecmclean9178 7 жыл бұрын
I am a professional climber. I can take down any tree anywhere in the world. I'm here back you up 100% you are absolutely correct. Anyone who picks up a saw and plays with small trees will learn quick. safe felling fellas -alec the amazing arborist
@ExtremeDeerHabitat
@ExtremeDeerHabitat 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Alec. Always nice to here from a pro.
@obtrees6450
@obtrees6450 7 жыл бұрын
I am also a professional and there is only one good reason for an angled back cut and that is to avoid metal of stone but you have to be sure not to compromise the hinge, so for amateurs stay safe and comfortable you know if you are pushing the boundaries....
@77sierra1
@77sierra1 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Instead of just telling people it's dangerous and wrong you gave the actual details to why. Again awesome video
@richardhaen
@richardhaen 5 жыл бұрын
Very good, I have did the angle cut for years, I c now that I was wrong will change the way I fell trees. Been doing it for 60 + years, who says can't teach a old dog new tricks. Thanks
@ViktorBludov
@ViktorBludov 6 жыл бұрын
This was very well explained! thanks
@retiredarthritic2083
@retiredarthritic2083 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting fact every tree cut at the end of the video barber chaired this is an indication that the tree was out of control when it fell. Speed is never a good substitute for safety. Hand felling is also a dying art as feller bunchers are much faster and safer than hand felling. Now before anyone decides to comment I was a feller in BC both in the interior and on the coast.
@PinwheelHomes
@PinwheelHomes 6 жыл бұрын
thanks for this video. never felled a tree, but its certainly great to know, especially if I see someone doing it wrong
@benwaddington2186
@benwaddington2186 2 жыл бұрын
Superb descriptive analysis. Totally makes sense after that, when it did not necessarily before.
@monir3801
@monir3801 4 жыл бұрын
Very informative! Thank you!
@guntherultraboltnovacrunch5248
@guntherultraboltnovacrunch5248 6 жыл бұрын
Love this information. Thankyou.
@AlergicToSnow
@AlergicToSnow 6 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I learned from a guy who could, and regularly did, drop a tree wherever he wanted. I saw him drop a tree in a space so small nobody else wanted to try but he had no hesitation going for it.
@brianhanlon9602
@brianhanlon9602 5 жыл бұрын
I"ve never heard of anyone cutting and angled back cut....
@kevinbyrne4538
@kevinbyrne4538 7 жыл бұрын
Lesson learned. Thank you !
@not88me
@not88me 7 жыл бұрын
I knew the angled back cut was dangerous, but you gave some good examples of just how dangerous and why. Nice video, thanks for posting.
@RB216220
@RB216220 7 жыл бұрын
Good video, thanks for the info.
@colinsteam
@colinsteam 6 жыл бұрын
Nice explanation, thanks.
@frugallandlord6974
@frugallandlord6974 4 жыл бұрын
He is only demonstrating the back cut in this video I don’t think he is recommending to fell trees without a face cut, great information, I have to admit when I first started felling dead trees for firewood, I made back cuts angled, I also used to cut clean through the hinge, but I was just a kid, and most of the lodge pole pine I cut were as straight as a pool cue, I never had a problem.
@SkyKing101010
@SkyKing101010 6 жыл бұрын
Point made and taken. thank you very much.
@Chuck88keys
@Chuck88keys 5 жыл бұрын
I don't cut down trees anymore. Too old for that. Years ago i would notch out the way i want the tree to fall, and then i would do the back cut at an angle, maybe 30-degrees, not 45%^ Worked for me all of the time.
@maddogstemple
@maddogstemple 6 жыл бұрын
those last three cuts were beautiful
@Firedog-ny3cq
@Firedog-ny3cq 9 ай бұрын
Beautifully incorrect and he was just showing off for the camera.
@vansien
@vansien 7 жыл бұрын
wow I learned something new, thanks for sharing.
@Zlinky111
@Zlinky111 3 жыл бұрын
Great demo. 👍😁
@PatrickWagz
@PatrickWagz 6 жыл бұрын
great explanation
@billyphoenix5139
@billyphoenix5139 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah me too. Very good to learn these tips.
@firudu
@firudu 5 жыл бұрын
im currently in training to become a landscaper here in germany (so excuse any wrongly used terminology) and the "new" felling method is apparently to use the chainsaw to make a stabbing cut in the tree, which leaves an "intact" piece of wood at the opposite side of the directional cut. it prevents the tree from falling forwards or backward, and leaves you time to use wedges, and allows you to make the last cut in a standing position, that way your chainsaw never gets stuck in a tree
@wizardsuth
@wizardsuth Жыл бұрын
That's called a plunge cut. It's usually not needed, but it is useful for trees that lean or are prone to splitting vertically.
@dalegreen7905
@dalegreen7905 5 жыл бұрын
I am 67 years old and while I may never use this knowledge I find it interesting and may have a conversation with someone to pass along what I have learned before they make a bad decision theirselves . Always share what you know !
@jimthebutcher99
@jimthebutcher99 5 жыл бұрын
But when the information is incorrect as this is I would not recommend it. Works great for a 4 inch tree. Don't try it on a 2 foot tree.
@Firedog-ny3cq
@Firedog-ny3cq 9 ай бұрын
Sharing "wisdom" that you accept as truth from a source other than your own repeated experience is not "sharing what you know". To know something well, you have to have done it yourself many times in many different situations.
@pramienjager2103
@pramienjager2103 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. Simple to understand, and informative. It makes perfect, logical sense once you know. I've never fell a tree before, and I may never need to, but if ever I do I will do it correctly.
@1bottlefed
@1bottlefed 6 жыл бұрын
If you look you will see that a major factor in the break when using an angle cut is that as the cut closes the wood in compression/contact is just the very small portion of the outer section of the lower tree, this portion of wood is pushed outward (due to the angle of contact)...you can see this when you look at how the tree split downward/outward. Conversely on a flat cut even though the outside will still contact first the thrust on the wood is totally downward and actually slightly inward, so the likelihood of any splitting is minimal.
@wgrangerjr1
@wgrangerjr1 7 жыл бұрын
A few years back, I helped a friend drop some large pines around his house. We used an angle cut on the first one. It hit the house. Lesson learned the hard way!Luckily, it missed hitting his solarium kitchen by about 5 feet.
@connorowens2571
@connorowens2571 6 жыл бұрын
Its 4am why am I watching how to cut a tree
@TheMrkylester101
@TheMrkylester101 6 жыл бұрын
Connor Owens ikr
@justinpopelka1148
@justinpopelka1148 5 жыл бұрын
because you're interested
@retiredarthritic2083
@retiredarthritic2083 5 жыл бұрын
because your bored.
@milat4351
@milat4351 5 жыл бұрын
ikr same at 2 am and I dont even cut trees lol
@skie6282
@skie6282 5 жыл бұрын
Its been 1 year you must have used this info by now
@davidm180
@davidm180 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. More people need to be educated with chainsaws, and felling trees. What’s crazy is rental companies rent saws to people with zero operation knowledge.
@jamelynch4474
@jamelynch4474 5 жыл бұрын
great info , so many people have told me that bad way to cut .
@tomd3630
@tomd3630 5 жыл бұрын
This was great. I don't know if I'll be cutting down anymore trees on our property, but if I do, I'll review this first. Wish they'd had KZfaq toots 30 years ago!
@evanmorrow1234
@evanmorrow1234 5 жыл бұрын
I sincerely believe this guy doesn't know what he is talking about and you would be well advised to disregard everything he has said
@alexbeedie6940
@alexbeedie6940 6 жыл бұрын
Great video
@michaeltowler2632
@michaeltowler2632 5 жыл бұрын
I used to cut and manually load timber for a living for Limekilns and was under contract to supply 12 cord a day.I would cut as fast as I could between loads to keep 3 week ahead of my Truck so as it for the Timber get lighter to lift and in big thick Timber. My technique on Trees up to say a foot thick was a quick backhand cut for the notch and staying on the same side do the felling cut, on Trees bigger 10/15 Meters I would still not do a proper notch but a straight cut from the right and then get to the left for the felling cut. the only time I would do a proper notch was if it was a Tree in which was so thick and Tall I had to do Fan cuts or the Tree was straight and perfectly balanced and you had to time the felling cut to coincide with any wind gusts. I think the 3 most important things are getting good at seeing which is the way the Tree wants to fall, putting the notch cut in the right place and the last part of the felling cuts Hinge and when I say Hinge I mean the part where you spike into the Trunk with your Cutterbar/Chainsaw and is uncut and torn out as the tree falls, if done right you can make a Tree move out of its natural falling path as it is falling and go where you wanted it to go . I always did an undercut, however small the tree and were straight as permitted by how low I could cut without taking any time about it. ps. I never ever owned any wedges .
@daddyrabbit835
@daddyrabbit835 4 жыл бұрын
00:28 That is a great book. I own it and read it often.
@erikreally2241
@erikreally2241 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks nice explanation...wish me luck on a curved tree branch
@avidsledder
@avidsledder 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@seanhammer6296
@seanhammer6296 5 жыл бұрын
I'm into Egyptology and ancient religions and philosophy. I have no idea why this was in my feed but it was fun to watch and not have to argue about.☺👍
@mightyconker3903
@mightyconker3903 4 жыл бұрын
You would likely be interested in how the Egyptians used geopolymer for the pyramid facing.
@seanhammer6296
@seanhammer6296 4 жыл бұрын
@@mightyconker3903 Yes, the Egyptians having built the pyramids is definitely one theory. But they remain enigmatic and mysterious.
@Firedog-ny3cq
@Firedog-ny3cq 9 ай бұрын
Aliens built the pyramids, ancient religions are the cause of every problem on Earth, and Emmanuel Kant is a jackass. There's your argument. Your move.
@domt6973
@domt6973 4 жыл бұрын
Angled cuts are used on a tree that is angled forwards. The wedge is cut out of the directional side, you bore through the tree an inch behind the gob to release the forces in the tree then make a severing angled cut to join the rear felling cut to the bore. This prevents barber chairing by the tree and allows for a safe felling of a forward leaning tree. It’s referred to in the uk as a dog tooth cut.
@c0ntag10n
@c0ntag10n 5 жыл бұрын
Nice video!
@wizardsuth
@wizardsuth Жыл бұрын
If you're concerned that the tree might slide backward off the stump, make the back cut *slightly* (e.g. 1 inch) higher than the notch. If you go too high you effectively make the hinge narrower and the tree will fall less predictably.
@thechronicgeneralist
@thechronicgeneralist 5 жыл бұрын
The reason why it fails is because the cells have some strength vertically (which is how the hinge slowly degrades as the tree tilts because it rips), considerably more compression strength (which allows the tree to sit on itself as it topples over) but it has very little side shear strength (hence barber chairs). As you're exposing the weight of the tree on the back cut, it isn't able to leverage compression and the weight creates side-tension instead of leveraging compression). This causes horizontal stresses, which will cause tear to the hinge, and a chain reaction can occur resulting in a catastrophic failure of the hinge.
@Cornerback80
@Cornerback80 5 жыл бұрын
I am absolutely traumatized by an old supervisor of mine who used to "show me how to cut down trees" I would put my wedge in and he would come in and tell me to cut it an an angle from the back side.... while it has a hinge!...then it would fall backward. every.single.time. Now you can do an angle back cut IF you don't have a front wedge in AND the tree is leaning the right way. It saves a little time that way. STUDY THE TREE BEFORE CUTTING!
@jimsteele7108
@jimsteele7108 5 жыл бұрын
Jeff Jepsen knows his stuff and is a great guy.
@jackrabbit5047
@jackrabbit5047 6 жыл бұрын
I guess I've been doing it wrong for years. Thanks for posting.
@f87115
@f87115 2 жыл бұрын
Holy shhhh I’ve been doing this wrong and dangerous … amazing we are all still alive
@WhoDatNation69
@WhoDatNation69 5 жыл бұрын
I honestly don't know how I got hear but I'm glad I did now I know how to properly cut a tree lol I love KZfaq
@Firedog-ny3cq
@Firedog-ny3cq 9 ай бұрын
No, you don't. Not even close.
@johns3106
@johns3106 5 жыл бұрын
I've worked for a tree service for 20+ years and my co-workers and I always laugh at "homeowner" cuts. They are almost always an angled back cut, and the result is often a disaster (or near disaster) that we have to come in and clear up. My theory on the angled back cut is that inexperienced folks with a chainsaw in their hand know that an angled cut is somehow involved in getting a tree to fall, but not knowing anything about undercuts (which of course use an angled cut) they assume you only need to make one cut, and that cut should be angled to let the tree "slide" off the stump. It has been my experience that it only takes one of these uncontrollable drops to scare the Bejesus out of the homeowner, and that's when they call in the pros.
@drmodestoesq
@drmodestoesq 4 жыл бұрын
So these two Irish guys are walking down the street and they see a sign that says Wanted: Tree Fellers. So one says to the other, "Do you we think we should apply for the jobs?" The other guys says, "I don't think they'd want us...there's only two of us and the sign say they want tree fellers."
@errlshmirl3130
@errlshmirl3130 5 жыл бұрын
Beautiful. Thanku
@MattsRanger
@MattsRanger 4 жыл бұрын
The contrary comments are awesome. Especially regarding OSHA. I wasn’t aware of them being backwards from what works here. They also don’t understand safety eyewear. If safety glasses don’t fit our faces properly or are not properly designed as sideshield issue, they are no better than plain eyeglasses at best. I have had more debris in my eyes from company approved eyewear than any other. Anyway I have some trimming or felling of Spruce-like trees (they are very old & have red sap) to tend to coming up for our yard coming up. 3 are in the lines just a bit.
@JasonTate86
@JasonTate86 5 жыл бұрын
You need to add in this video how to stop the barber chair effect on those trees at the end. Your method works great on small trees but someone who does not know could kill themselves with a bigger tree.
@HogeN1337
@HogeN1337 7 жыл бұрын
always always always train on smaller trees. when feel like you got it try a mediumsize.. if not fall as you wanted go back to smaller trees :)... becouse with smaller trees you always can see what you did wrong and dont hurt you as much.. and main rule. take time it should be fun being out in the woods. after few hours work siting on the logs haveing a coffee =)
@Firedog-ny3cq
@Firedog-ny3cq 9 ай бұрын
With your sage advice, in short order, there would be no more woods to enjoy a coffee in. The felling dynamics are very different between a small-diameter tree and a 100-150 foot, 2-4' diameter monster. Feeling confident about taking down small trees and transferring that confidence to a much larger tree is a good way to get your name in the obits column of the local paper.
@Kcducttaper1
@Kcducttaper1 5 жыл бұрын
I had a tree company take out a tree leaning over my house. It was a whopping 40"+ diameter trunk! The owner himself did an angled cut just like this and the stump fell right backwards onto my deck. Needless to say, I got a substantial discount!
@tombaker3000
@tombaker3000 4 жыл бұрын
Anybody else notice when he yarded on the tree he pulled toward the angle cut? Of course it's going to snap at the angle cut first. It has leverage on the angle.
@jackpine5919
@jackpine5919 4 жыл бұрын
YES! A better example would be to show the 2 cuts on 2 different trees. The 90 degree cut just closed up.
@milkmanpeter
@milkmanpeter 4 жыл бұрын
Learning every day
@acalka24
@acalka24 4 жыл бұрын
Every single one of those trees barber-chaired...
@sofjanmustopoh7232
@sofjanmustopoh7232 3 жыл бұрын
That’s purposely done For deer habitat. His advice stands Don’t angle your back cut . Angled back cut is Inefficient, ineffective and dangerous Heck he know when stop the chainsaw and when to walk away He show lots of experiences in cutting tree
@tribulation138
@tribulation138 6 жыл бұрын
Wtf. I never do angled back cut. But what your teaching I never seen b4 in my life. Face cut or wedge cut first. Then a back cut no more than inch higher then face cut. That's it.
@randy1ization
@randy1ization 5 жыл бұрын
an inch higher than the bottom or top of the face cut?
@evanmorrow1234
@evanmorrow1234 5 жыл бұрын
You are correct in my book cuz that is exactly how I do it and I've cut 100's of trees down. No 2 trees are exactly the same and it can get a little sketchy cutting trees on a slope or 150' douglas firs that are dead can be sort of nerve wracking. I always have visions of a dead tree blowing out as I'm cutting on it 50' up and coming down completely wrong cuz you can never be sure how long the tree has been dead or how much rot is in it or where the rot is exactly. Seems to me that guy would be having a few of his trees barberchairing on his ass . I almost always wrap a chain around larger alder trees so they won't barberchair cuz they're famos for it.
@mikepalmer4371
@mikepalmer4371 4 жыл бұрын
texas tough The apex of the face cut
@rand0minteg3r
@rand0minteg3r 4 жыл бұрын
So in the case of a leaning tree (back leaner, let's say), I guess the cut should be "horizontal" not to the ground but with respect to the trunk itself, is that correct?
@grumplepig
@grumplepig 6 жыл бұрын
Well done Sir
@andrebergeron7540
@andrebergeron7540 7 жыл бұрын
Having cut literally tens of thousands of trees in my career. Taught logging in high school, college, and by the renown logger Soren Erickson, when he was teaching to professionals over 25 years ago. Pros go with the safest and fastest technique. There is no way that a downward cut works, PERIOD. If it did, that is the technique professionals would be using. When your paid by how much wood you produce, not by how long your out there, speed and effectiveness become your priority, and I could explain every reason why but I don't think you want to read several pages of explanation. You will never see a person claiming to be a professional cutting with a downward cut, they are not. Experience, technique, and physics are on my side.
@zandemen
@zandemen 7 жыл бұрын
Have a look at 5:20 at what he is calling conventional hinged cutting. Still impressed?
@realanimal3602
@realanimal3602 7 жыл бұрын
The cuts at 5:20 are discussed in comments. This is done on propose to allow the tree to live and feed wildlife. My father was a logger and fell a great many trees. Tens of thousands??? At the very least. His back cut always had a slight downward angle, maybe about 10 degrees. He could put any tree on the ground within a few inches of where he wanted it. He taught me and my brothers the same technique 35 plus years ago and it has never failed me.
@obtrees6450
@obtrees6450 7 жыл бұрын
We call that hedge laying in the uk, but i guess it makes sense to produce fodder at a grazing level
@stupidhandles
@stupidhandles 7 жыл бұрын
Macks Power that's not conventional hinge cutting is it! so your point is a moot one
@markschiavone8003
@markschiavone8003 6 жыл бұрын
Andre Bergeron , it looks like every tree he cut using this method resulted in the very dangerous barberchair. isn't that dangerous?
@not2tees
@not2tees 6 жыл бұрын
Is the case that a huge tree will require a different approach, or would cutting straight across be the best way for any size of tree?
@backyardfirewood9852
@backyardfirewood9852 2 жыл бұрын
In my area angled back cuts are prevalent, even amongst people that have been cutting for decades... I've tried and tried to explain to people I know why this is not doing what they think... Unfortunately, I've had no success... Ironically, these same people think I'm crazy for doing horizontal back cuts, bore cuts, etc...
@timhallas4275
@timhallas4275 5 жыл бұрын
I'm not convinced. I really don't see any added danger with an angled back cut, as long as the tree is leaning in the right direction or is being properly pulled in the right direction. Either cutting method allows the use of wedges to force the tree in the desired direction, and I personally find a 45 degree back cut to be more comfortable and less prone to grabbing my saw at the hinge point.
@robertlangley258
@robertlangley258 6 жыл бұрын
Very good information sir. You’ve probably just saved oodles of “tree-feller wannabes” from destroying their homes and autos, not to mention turning their neighbors against them forever. May have even saved a few folk from themselves.
@PumaTomten
@PumaTomten 5 жыл бұрын
Been cutting down trees along the high voltage lines for a good while and the guys before me used the regular cutting techniques but they had many trees over the power lines, even with the help of wires etc. This is how I usually do, I do the angle very smal but at 60-70 degrees, 2 inches from the angle I push the saw straight through the tree from both sides then work my way a bit further back so it has two safety holds, I then start to cut and release a little bit on the back end and just hammer a wedge in and cuts of a bit more and then hammers the wedge and the tree will fall safely.
@randy1ization
@randy1ization 5 жыл бұрын
2 inches from the top or bottom of the angle?
@PumaTomten
@PumaTomten 2 жыл бұрын
@@randy1ization depends, if we have a big tractor or harvester pushing a large tree you can with no problem cut under the angle cut that will prevent the tree possible bein pushed over so the hinge breaks but is very hard to adjust by taking it down manually with wedges or pulleys.
@stevemiller6766
@stevemiller6766 7 жыл бұрын
Well - I have been cutting wrong for 30 years been far luckier than I deserve. I guess God does look out for fools and children. Thank you a very clear explanation of how to properly do this operation.
@alexharris8565
@alexharris8565 4 жыл бұрын
So glad I watched this, I learned something here
@libertybarker7401
@libertybarker7401 4 жыл бұрын
Alex Harris ** if u learned something it should be that u tube is for intertainment. Do not take advise off u tube! UNLESS U R A DEMONCRAT. ..LOL.
@alexharris8565
@alexharris8565 4 жыл бұрын
thanks for that but i'm on the other side of the pond. A lot of what you say is true so i stick with with the music. don't go to far wrong.
@Badboyteddybear
@Badboyteddybear 5 жыл бұрын
I love the ending
@bl9531
@bl9531 2 жыл бұрын
When 100% of experienced tree fellers insist on a horizontal back cut … a bit hard to imagine why I would try anything else
@congamike1
@congamike1 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making me safer!!!
@billhughes9480
@billhughes9480 4 жыл бұрын
I hope you are still alive if you tried this way.
@Firedog-ny3cq
@Firedog-ny3cq 9 ай бұрын
He didn't. Your experience will do that.
@paulg444
@paulg444 5 жыл бұрын
great video but what kind of fool cuts a hing cut, angled or straight almost all the way through the tree. The best way to be safe flat hinge and as many plastic and steel wedges as necessary to insure it falls in the right direction. .
@konstantinbodin9936
@konstantinbodin9936 5 жыл бұрын
You example is for sticks because you can do it withouth including wind expositure of terain and so on. Cut fist 2 cuts in direction you want to tree fall then cut from back with stump gap(breaking part), or do bore cut...
@chrisyu98
@chrisyu98 5 жыл бұрын
If the tree trunk is at an angle do you still use horizontal cut?
@seanb2300
@seanb2300 8 жыл бұрын
great explanation and examples... thanks!
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