And, toward the end of the story, Bill was waiting in Bree when Sam returned.

The 10th member of the Fellowship, representing the race of horses.

Yes. In fact, the inn was so friendly and welcoming that the hobbits let down their guard. Pippin did not reveal Frodo’s name. He was simply telling about Bilbo’s birthday party. Frodo became aware that it might be dangerous for some to hear how Bilbo disappeared at the end and decided to try and distract everyone’s attention. Pippin had not actually said anything revealing, and may or may not have eventually related the part about Bilbo vanishing. The movies made Pippin an idiot, which makes me sad.

@@circedeluneIt needed the comic relief. Thought it worked well. Plus he redeemed himself later with courageous acts, not to mention he looked into a palantir and had the resolved to not give up any information to Sauron

Curiously, Bakshi's version of this scene is more accurate to the books (and includes the silly song)... Butterbur actually has more of a part in it

YESSS

And it was Pippin who left buckle (or whatever you call it in english) for Aragorn&Co. to find. He wasn't stupid, just reckless. In his defence - he was a teenager on whose participation in the Fellowship all bigwigs agreed upon.

@c.j.nyssen6987. I have to agree with this sentiment. It's very heavily, implied, in the book, that the Will of Eru Illuvitar is at work in all these events. If we accept this premise, then all things that happen, can only happen the way they do. From the daggers of the Westernesse, to Merry and Pippin getting caught by the orcs. Thus, leading to the march of the Ents. Among many, many other events that unfold just due to this one thing. The death of Gandalf, Boromir trying to take the ring. The list goes on and on. All of these events, and more, can ONLY happen the way the do, to enable 4 important characters to be, where they need to be, at the right time. Merry and his dagger at the fields of Pelennor, with Eowyn. There to defeat the Witch King of Angmar. A potentially, very real and dangerous threat. Even after the defeat of Sauron. The other two, and most importantly, are obviously Frodo and Gollum. Frodo being the only one, who can get the ring to the summit of Mount Doom. Gollum needed to destroy the ring by the only way possible. Treachery and punishment or maybe karma. The ring could not be destroyed, by choice, by ANYONE. Events could never have played out any other way, down to the finest detail, and still finish with the rings destruction. This was just one, of the ultimate beautys' of Tolkiens' writing and world building.

Yeah also why is everyone expecting the guy to know that sending this mundane letter to some random hobbit he never heard of is paramount to life, death and the destiny of middle earth? Just give it to the post man yourself Gandalf ffs

and by this the witchking wouldn`t have been killed

Eru Illuvitar: "We should not intervene in the affairs of the mortal world" Also Eru Illuvitar: [Regularly intervenes in the affairs of the mortal world]

@@dungeonsanddobbers2683 Regularly? He is said to have intervened 2 times, not regularly. First was the destruction of Numenor and Second was when he made Gollum fall into Mount Doom.

The Nazgul didn’t actually come to the inn at all. That was done by men, probably including Bill Ferny and the gatekeeper, Harry Goatleaf.

Barliman, not Barleyman.

I think it was a... Peter... something I don't know...

Thank you! Glad you’re enjoying them. 👏🏼

And then it’s onto the hobbit! 💀

@@factorfantasyweekly That should be a lot easier done to be fair, a one word review saying 'shite' will more than suffice! Great video series btw.

Nor would they have obtained the barrow blades, one of which was instrumental in Merry's assist on killing the Witch King.

@@xyllar Don't worry. Tolkien would just move barrow-downs to another place. You speak as if plot armor doesn't exist.

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I would have loved to see all of what Tolkien wrote in these scenes play out. I love this whole segment of his book. But sadly it would’ve added a lot to the films and as we know, they’re already super long 😂

@@factorfantasyweekly The Bakshi version did a great job adapting this chapter.

I understand the need for some changes and omissions. A lot of things in the book would be impossible to convey in a movie. I accept the absence of the Old Forest(though I wish they had figured out a way to include Merry’s barrow blade) and substituting Arwen for Glorfindel. But some changes were completely unnecessary, imo. I do really like the movies, but hate some of the changes. I could have done without making Pippin a bumbling idiot. I could most certainly have done without a lot that happens later that I won’t go into right now.

Good point! I’m not sure if it ever specifies in the book, and many sources online refer to Bob and Nob as both hobbits. But considering bob is in charge of the stable and the horses/ponies, it would make sense if he’s human. Thanks for pointing this out!

​@@factorfantasyweekly I am 95% certain it is strongly implied Bob is human and Nob the hobbit is retained by Butterbur to interact with hobbit clients. This sounds like a video subject. If many people mistakenly claim Bob was also a hobbit, you could be the definitive source.

Nope. None of those were fools in the books. Frodo said something to Gandalf in the books about Barliman being rather stupid, and Gandalf says Frodo doesn’t know much about it if he thinks Barliman is stupid. Pippin is actually very smart. Boromir is heroic and bold, not at all foolish. If anyone in the books is foolish, it is Sam. I think foolish is a bit harsh, but certainly he is not the brightest. He is loyal, brave, and lovable, but he isn’t very smart.

Explain.

I’m still undecided on if a true recreation of Tolkien’s writings (basically word for word) could make a viable film series. It’s just the difficult of adapting to a different format. Maybe one day someone will try it, but probably not for another 20 years.

@@factorfantasyweekly - Word-for-word isn't realistic, and why would anyone want that. All that's necessary is understanding the work and remaining true to it: What is the author saying with the work? Is the author saying that good must sustain its goodness when it fights evil( Tolkien )... or can good be as evil as it wants to be when it fights evil( Jackson ).

Worse than the hobbit?

@@stoneagepig3768 - Yes.

I tend to agree. Individual scenes csn be great, such as when Gollum and Smeagol are arguing, but overall I found the films lacking.

"Need to acknowledge that if the movies followed the book exactly, each one would have been about 6hrs long." By what metric are you arriving at this exact number? It would be entire possible to follow the book exactly and have each film be the same length as Jackson's films. How time allocation is handled on screen is a lot more important than it is on the page. And Peter Jackson's handling of it is actually leverage against the argument that "following the books exactly" would result in longer screen time. For example: In the theatrical cut of The Fellowship of the Ring( an important distinction here from the much longer extended cut of the same film ), it’s forty-eight seconds from the moment the Watcher attacks Frodo until he’s rescued, and a total of seventy-two seconds from the initial attack until the Watcher destroys the door. Also, in the Chamber of Mazarbul sequence, it’s well over three minutes from the moment the cave troll enters the fight until it finally keels over dead. This is unconscionable: you could literally read the entire scene aloud from the book in less time. And even before the Fellowship enters Moria proper, Gandalf tells the group( and the audience ) that it’s a four day journey to the other side. Yet Jackson, despite allotting over seven minutes prior to the first Orc attack, makes it seem as though the Fellowship made it through in a matter of a few hours, not days. And how about Jackson’s giving a bucket of steroids to the moment the Fellowship have to cross a span of about seven feet in the book? I saw someone get up and leave the theater, presumably to use the bathroom, and return before the Fellowship had fully negotiated that epic special effects/action scene entirely.

@@jachyra9 These scenes are entertaining while Tolkien's droning on and on about stuff a reader like me finds boring would be horrid for screen adaptation. The man was in need for an editor.

@@majungasaurusaaaa - You have no idea what you're saying.

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