Why Constitutional Originalism Must Be Defeated

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The Majority Report w/ Sam Seder

The Majority Report w/ Sam Seder

10 ай бұрын

Sam and Emma host Erwin Chemerinsky, Dean of the University of California, Berkeley Law School, to discuss his recent book Worse Than Nothing: The Dangerous Fallacy of Originalism.
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@Blakblooded
@Blakblooded 10 ай бұрын
I suggest next time Clarence Thomas goes to the doctor, he ask for some "medical originalism." He can let us know how those leeches and bloodletting worked out for him.
@rsr789
@rsr789 10 ай бұрын
I think giving him A LOT of laudanum is a good start. Like 5 liters of it.
@M00x10
@M00x10 10 ай бұрын
From Jefferson's letter to H. Tompkinson, 7/12/1816, "We might as well ask a man to wear the coat that fitted him when he was a boy." as expect future generations to live under what he called "the regime of their barbarous ancestors." ...So much for "originalism".
@alex-brs
@alex-brs 4 ай бұрын
The Constitution addresses this exact issue, isn't that great? Article 5 is the sewing machine to enlarge the coat.
@tonywilson4713
@tonywilson4713 10 ай бұрын
This video is an excerpt of a preciously posted video from a few days ago. Although its pretty good there is a question they DID NOT ask of Professor Chemerinsky. On the staff of the UC Berkley Law School he is dean of, is John Yoo. John Yoo is NOT ONLY a well known member of the Federalist Society but was the author of the infamous "Torture Memo" during the Bush Administration. That memo lead to the abuses at Abu Ghraib (Iraq) and Bagram AFB (Afghanistan) as well as the issues with extraordinary rendition and the prison at Guantanamo Bay. John Yoo is a genuine criminal and should be in prison rather than being a tenured law professor. How is it that when they have professor Chemerinsky in an interview talking about the Constitution and the federalist Society that they don't bring up the issues with John Yoo?
@nolongerblocked6210
@nolongerblocked6210 10 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing, I wonder if he gave them parameters for the interview & questions regarding his colleagues were off-limits??
@JustAnotherAverageDumbass
@JustAnotherAverageDumbass 10 ай бұрын
Originalism = "Source: Trust me bro"
@MrSeananim
@MrSeananim 10 ай бұрын
Emma's comments about the religious mindset of originalism are exactly what I always thought. Funny how often the anti PC crowd relies on that. The framers lived in a time when medicine consisted of covering people in leaches. What would be their original intent be with regard to genetic engineering or space travel? They were just the politicians of their day and we don't think they are uniquely wise now.
@AQuietNight
@AQuietNight 10 ай бұрын
I doubt the framers couldn't imagine creations and inventions not available in their time. Remember, they were enjoying some of the inventions of their day.
@benfaunce7496
@benfaunce7496 10 ай бұрын
Thinking the founders weren't uniquely wise is folly. Thinking Emma has insightful wisdom is even more misguided.
@samuelrosander1048
@samuelrosander1048 10 ай бұрын
Constitutional originalism: conservative justices come to conservative conclusions and sell it as originalism.
@alex-brs
@alex-brs 4 ай бұрын
Are Scalia's 6th Amendment opinions "conservative"?
@samuelrosander1048
@samuelrosander1048 4 ай бұрын
@@alex-brs No summary, just "his opinions" as though I'm expected to know literally everything everyone wrote and have an opinion on it all? "Conservative conclusions" don't always mean "absolute evil." Conservatives are regressive in this country (and many others), but there are some things even they know they need to protect simply because they're too useful not to. Your response was just disingenous at its core. "Constitutional originalism" is a BS position no matter how you hack it because time is a thing that happens, and things change over time. I'm not a Meninite. Most people aren't, but COs want to drag us back to those times regarding the law because of delusions they have about the greatness of those times. It's a regressive position pushed by people who subscribe to a regressive ideology. But they still recognize that trials should be a thing, and that there should be some semblance of fairness, just like even the most regressive people of THOSE times thought, so your whole comeback is complete garbage.
@alex-brs
@alex-brs 4 ай бұрын
@@samuelrosander1048 It's a reasonable method of constitutional interpretation. If you enact a law in 1800 banning "being gay," you ought to interpret that as to what was enacted in 1800 (i.e. being cheerful, happy, joyful). Not being homosexual (using contemporary ideas of the word). If you wish to change the constitution, use article 5's methods. Not unelected oligarchs.
@alex-brs
@alex-brs 4 ай бұрын
@@samuelrosander1048 Also, I'm noting that your response completely ignored the substance of my question.
@samuelrosander1048
@samuelrosander1048 4 ай бұрын
@@alex-brs If you think I "completely ignored the substance of your question," then you can't be helped. "But they still recognize that trials should be a thing, and that there should be some semblance of fairness, just like even the most regressive people of THOSE times though..." That was DIRECTLY responding to your question. I'm also noting, AGAIN, that you said nothing about what his opinions were, but expect me to have a clue just because you might. CO is only "reasonable" to a conservative. If your constitution talks about the right to privacy, keeping religion out of the state, etc, and a law gets passed in the 1800s saying homosexuality is illegal, then that law is unconstitutional, but just wasn't interpreted as such because of social norms. But time is a thing, and social norms change (hopefully for the better), so 200 years later pointing out that the law violates the spirit of those constitutional rights is more reasonable than talking about the context of the word "gay" in order to protect the law that clearly violated the right to privacy, keeping religion out of the state, etc. CO is about pushing a conservaitve/regressive agenda, not being true to the constitution...and even if it was, the constitution shouldn't be put on a pedastal as the infallible product of geniuses, but should be updated regularly to remain relevant to the society that ACTUALLY exists, not the society that NO LONGER exists. The SC doesn't ACTUALLY change the law OR the constitution; it only interprets the constitutionality of the laws passed by the ELECTED oligarchs (over which none of us commoners have literally any control, because our system was never designed to empower us. It was always about protecting the power of the elite while letting the commoners feel like they had a say...and were therefore to blame for the failings and shenanigans of the elite), which requires either looking at the spirit of the constitution, or the social norms of the time the specific laws were written. CO does the latter, which is what you're arguing for, and why it's conservative/regressive. And that includes the good things that were believed and written, not just the backwards things (just to re-address your point, because you might have missed it again); not all things from back then are bad or backwards. The CONSTITUTIONALITY of the law should be interpreted according to the spirit of the constitution (which, again, should be updated regularly like any sane person would do because they know that things change), not the social norms of the time. Because times change, and so do social norms. You can't even use the argument that the legislature should change the laws instead of the SC, because they can't be bothered to change or remove the dumbest laws that everyone laughs at. But that's top-down control for you. You haven't addressed any of what I've written, and actually ignored when I responded to what you wrote. I won't waste my time further.
@petersz98
@petersz98 10 ай бұрын
This is why the UK has no written constitution and France has gone through five Republics which means a revised constitution every 50 years since the French revolution which happened about the same time as the American revolution.
@benfaunce7496
@benfaunce7496 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, how's that going for Britian and Francd? No first amendment, no say, and resultingly even less democratic control of your own country than we have in the US.
@hockeyinalabama
@hockeyinalabama 10 ай бұрын
The Second Amendment, arguably, had a modernity problem soon after the War of 1812. The Second Amendment assumed state militias and - I'd argue - justified itself based on that. Once we moved to a standing national military, it lost its context and justification. I'm not saying the answer should be obsoleting of the Second Amendment. I just think it has issues as written.
@cypressbutane4575
@cypressbutane4575 10 ай бұрын
Originalism is a failure of hermeneutics in order to default to one's own opinion and claim it has merit in an outdated authority. One can't know what the founders intended, one can only know what they wrote, so any content claimed to be their 'intentions' must come from the interpreter's mind and be their own intentionality in interpreting the founders. Which is why you see their will in these rulings and not a ruling that reflects contemporary America and our needs, or even some balance of today's America with some vision of the judge's. It's just them being authoritarian/authorial claiming an authority based on the flawed philosophy of 'originalism', with a bogus decree it's 'what the founders meant'. (According to whom!? You, alone.)
@benfaunce7496
@benfaunce7496 10 ай бұрын
Lefties are all loose constructionists until someone's loose interpretation goes in a direction they don't like.
@GrantAugustus1
@GrantAugustus1 10 ай бұрын
SO WHERE IS THE AMMENDMENT FOR ABORTION THEN IF YOU SAY ORIGINALISM IS A FAILURE?
@brothermine2292
@brothermine2292 10 ай бұрын
There's a lot more information about the Framers' intent than the language of the Constitution. I presume you won't object when it's cited in judicial opinions, since your argument depends on its non-existence. The reason why the U.S. Constitution is so short is that it was designed as a coordination tool. In other words, it omits the standard practices with which the Founders were familiar from their experience with state governments, the Articles of Confederation, and common law.
@MesmerAloofly
@MesmerAloofly 10 ай бұрын
we're in hell & it only gets worst
@nickanderson412
@nickanderson412 10 ай бұрын
But we have to live by the dictates of slave owners who died centuries ago...
@benfaunce7496
@benfaunce7496 10 ай бұрын
Unless you're a treasonous bastard, yes.
@mainely8007
@mainely8007 10 ай бұрын
They might have been bright but they absolutely were not perfect - most of them were young and as they aged, their views changed as did their interpretations. They left the Constitution with options to be changed, they did not consider it some holy stone tablet from the finger of God.
@benfaunce7496
@benfaunce7496 10 ай бұрын
@@OscarLangleySoryu I'm assuming this guy knows what amendments are and is not satisfied with the Constitution as a whole; wanting it dismissed outright. So you could say the same response to him.
@spacecase8888
@spacecase8888 10 ай бұрын
Honestly, we could do a lot worse.
@richardcaves3601
@richardcaves3601 10 ай бұрын
As an outsider looking in from NZ, where we have an unwritten constitution, strict constructionist views are an anathema to full development of a true effective political society. You absolutely need a body of interpreters of your constitution, but that body imperatively must be conversant with modern society, science, communications, and other attributes. These all form part of the modern USA. To ignore them, is to condemn Americans to ignorance, arrogance and stupidity. Reform has to start at the top, SCOTUS. Until you do, you'll stay a political second world nation.
@benfaunce7496
@benfaunce7496 10 ай бұрын
SCOTUS represents only the top of one of three branches. The NZ model is a template Americans who value true Freedom are happy to avoid. You guys aren't exactly a bastion of individual liberty with what has befallen your people dictated from a supposed better understanding of what everyone should be required to do from "the top"
@richardcaves3601
@richardcaves3601 10 ай бұрын
@@benfaunce7496 while theoretically, the checks and balances on the Legislature, Executive and Judiciary are contained in your constitution, in practice your Legislature sometimes checks the executive, and visa-versa, there appears to be no check on the judiciary in practice. When you mix in the roles of states and their respective executives, legislatures and judiciaries, the ensuing tangle becomes unworkable. No thanks. I'll take an unwritten constitution, with pragmatic politicians who fix what needs fixing, and let the unbroken be, in a heartbeat. Besides, politics might be interesting, provided it doesn't interfere with the sporting calendar.
@benfaunce7496
@benfaunce7496 10 ай бұрын
@@richardcaves3601 So you can have fools like Ardern draw the bounds of your Freedom on a whim? You can keep yours. We'll keep ours.
@richardcaves3601
@richardcaves3601 10 ай бұрын
@@benfaunce7496 don't tell me, you're an antivaxxer conspiracy nut - they're the only ones who hate Jacinda, and why, because she kept our COVID toll to the lowest in the world. Sorry buddy, but you've just lost all credibility with me.
@robinsss
@robinsss 10 ай бұрын
we are trying to interpret the constitution written 200 years ago not modern American culture
@michaelmeandros551
@michaelmeandros551 10 ай бұрын
Eh, people just need reminded of the ammendment that says the people can change the constitution at any time.
@mainely8007
@mainely8007 10 ай бұрын
Exactly. Originalism is an offshoot of insecure conservative thinking that believes any admission of error on their philosophy is a sign of weakness that must be avoided at all costs. When was the last time you ever heard a right winger admit they made a mistake for instance.
@coryfice1881
@coryfice1881 10 ай бұрын
Laws that had been made back when the only form of a firearm was a single shot 30 minute reload musket should be modernized.
@Blakblooded
@Blakblooded 10 ай бұрын
What, you mean our founding fathers didn't write the 2nd amendment with hollow point, armor piercing rounds in mind? 😱
@benfaunce7496
@benfaunce7496 10 ай бұрын
Puckleguns defeat this theory. As do the severe devastation of cannons that could be privately owned. For freedom to ring; 2A's the only way.
@thehappyclam3942
@thehappyclam3942 10 ай бұрын
​@@Blakbloodedthe founders had privately owned warships capable of devastating coastal communities in mind.
@Blakblooded
@Blakblooded 10 ай бұрын
@@thehappyclam3942 Would you like to own slaves too?
@coryfice1881
@coryfice1881 10 ай бұрын
@@benfaunce7496Puckleguns? Did you just go on Wikipedia and looked up shit in an attempt to debunk me? No civilian was using puckleguns which were goofy tripod balanced cannons that were expensive to make and produce. Puckleguns, Airguns, and even rifles were all considered exotic novelty weapons at the time.
@brothermine2292
@brothermine2292 10 ай бұрын
Originalism is a vague term. It sounds to me like the real problem is literalism. An understanding of the Framers' original reasoning & original purposes should inform our interpretations of the language they adopted, rather than interpreting their language literally. For example, the clause about performing a census every 10 years to count each state's persons should be interpreted to allow the use of modern statistical techniques that improve the acccuracy of the count, because the Framers' original intent was presumably to strive for as much accuracy as possible that doesn't create an undue burden. Presumably their intent was NOT to prescribe a particular, primitive counting method just because it's the method they knew. The Framers provided us a procedure to amend the Constitution when it needs to be modernized. Allowing 9 people (the Supreme Court) selected by a partisan political process to decide how to "modernize" the interpretation of the Constitution is a slippery slope. An amendment I'd like to see would protect against partisan appointments of offices that need to be independent and non-partisan, such as Supreme Court justices & federal judges, the attorney general, the Secretary of the Treasury, the leaders of the IRS, CIA, FBI, and Homeland Security, etc. Perhaps that protection could be accomplished by raising the confirmation threshold far above a simple majority of the Senate.
@benfaunce7496
@benfaunce7496 10 ай бұрын
Interesting ideas. I would through in the executive branch having too much controlling interest in the agency's therein. A lot of these agencies already overstep the bounds of the constitution.
@peterford9369
@peterford9369 10 ай бұрын
That is kinda the problem with the constitution. The interpretation. Just like the bible. No 2 people read it and interpret it the same way. So we're leaving it to the very political supreme Court to interpret it and sell it to us. I thought this is what amendments are for.
@marklanning4767
@marklanning4767 10 ай бұрын
Except the Supreme Court doesn't try to sell it to us, they impose it upon us!
@justinegorski2703
@justinegorski2703 10 ай бұрын
When Thomas Jefferson said that there should be a revolution every 20 years, he was referring to generational change of society. He had enough foresight to know that time changes life.
@mainely8007
@mainely8007 10 ай бұрын
Unfortunately the ignoranti view his statement as a justification for them to use violence to reinforce minority rule.
@adamjrusso
@adamjrusso 10 ай бұрын
I think if we're going to be dealing with a originalist judge, we should just count Thomas' vote as 3/5ths.
@Mustapha1963
@Mustapha1963 10 ай бұрын
Do you understand the effect of the 3/5ths compromise? It gave the South LESS power than it would have if all the slaves were counted as 'whole' persons.
@alex-brs
@alex-brs 4 ай бұрын
You do realize the 3/5 principle was constitutionally abolished?
@Jakeurb8ty82
@Jakeurb8ty82 10 ай бұрын
There's only one type of originalism that should be adhered to: the notion of inalienable human rights all else is minutia. Originalism is just a way convent way of making excuses for not fixing modern problems. Lots of institutions and people are very comfortable and profitable due to the dysfunctional status quo. that said I don't trust anyone in this cynical generation to start making changes to it.
@GeneralSamov
@GeneralSamov 10 ай бұрын
Ironically, historically it took an amendment to enforce the notion of "inalienable" human rights.
@fogcat5
@fogcat5 10 ай бұрын
"The government of today has no right telling us how to live our lives, because the government of 200 years ago already did."
@garyfarrell954
@garyfarrell954 10 ай бұрын
few things are as subjective as " constitutional origilnalism"
@benfaunce7496
@benfaunce7496 10 ай бұрын
Save for the loose constructionist perspective liberals have had for 60 years.
@robinsss
@robinsss 10 ай бұрын
quotes from the letters , notes and speeches of the founders help to remove a lot of the subjectivity in interpreting on guns, religion etc
@Stephen-gi1rx
@Stephen-gi1rx 10 ай бұрын
@garyfarrell954: So where does that put judicial activism, which is generally regarded as the alternative to constitutional originalism?
@robinsss
@robinsss 10 ай бұрын
@@Stephen-gi1rx it's not they could be one and the same
@Stephen-gi1rx
@Stephen-gi1rx 10 ай бұрын
@@robinsss How about supplying an example or two to illustrate your point. Because it seems more likely you are merely confusing what someone preaches about from the proverbial pulpit and what they ACTUALLY put into practice as a judge.
@jaksing24
@jaksing24 10 ай бұрын
The problem with Originalism is it takes a modern political aim into a reading of the past which must produce ABSOLUTE meaning/intent. History is more nuanced. When a law is passed, often the people who passed it had different understandings of what the law would lead to. Originalism attempts to subdue the complexity of the past. This is because it’s the nature of the law. There must be a single winner. History is about a faithful, albeit nuanced recreation of the past.
@Stephen-gi1rx
@Stephen-gi1rx 10 ай бұрын
So what is the alternative? Judicial activism? Going down that latter route would appear to allow a bunch of unelected (and in the case of the current SCOTUS, largely right-wing) judges to rewrite the US Constitution in whatever way they feel like. Is that REALLY the sort of situation you would prefer?
@alex-brs
@alex-brs 4 ай бұрын
That's why originalism doesn't particularly care about original intent. Especially not Scalia's version. It's concerned with original PUBLIC MEANING. What did the interpretative community understand the law to mean?
@TempehLiberation
@TempehLiberation 10 ай бұрын
This was an awesome interview, really liked the guest. Great job!
@somersetcace1
@somersetcace1 10 ай бұрын
It really doesn't matter what anyone thinks, because unlike the bible or other religious texts, the constitution is amendable. To the best of my knowledge the only thing that can't be amended is state rights to representation in the senate. So, it doesn't matter what the founding fathers thought of article X or Amendment Y, if 2/3 of both houses of congress and 3/4 of the states ratify an amendment, it becomes constitutional. There's nothing the executive or judicial branch can do about it. The judicial branch can't rule the constitution itself unconstitutional. So, if it's explicitly stated, that's the end of it, unless it's amended again. The reason why this is such an issue right now, is because we are so political polarized a formal amendment on anything is practically impossible. We've ratified 26 amendments since 1791. 0 since 1971 (Except the 27th which was ratified in 1992, but that was passed by congress in 1789. It just took a long time to ratify by the states.) That's about an average of 1 every 7 years. Even if you count the 27th, it's now been 30 years. There's a reason for that and it's not because there's nothing anyone wants to amend.
@Zomby_Woof
@Zomby_Woof 10 ай бұрын
Actually the Constitution can be ruled unconstitutional and has been several times. That's because amendments are written by Congress, and are often deeply flawed, so they sometimes conflict with other parts of the Constitution.
@somersetcace1
@somersetcace1 10 ай бұрын
@@Zomby_Woof There is nothing explicitly stated in the constitution that can be ruled unconstitutional. Give me a single example.
@robinsss
@robinsss 10 ай бұрын
@@Zomby_Woof '''''''Actually the Constitution can be ruled unconstitutional and has been several times.''''' when did it happen?
@robinsss
@robinsss 10 ай бұрын
@@somersetcace1 a new amendment could be unconstitutional depending on how it's worded if a new amendment violates a right mentioned in the bill of rights then it could be ruled constitutional
@somersetcace1
@somersetcace1 10 ай бұрын
@@robinsss Nope. The bill of rights can be amended as well. There is nothing keeping any of the 27 amendments from being repealed by amendment.
@UltimateOmegaRed
@UltimateOmegaRed 10 ай бұрын
"Are you prepared to do what is necessary to stop this? "
@chadlieb2437
@chadlieb2437 10 ай бұрын
I mean if you look at a lot of the writings and actions of the founding fathers, you do have George Washington giving out government healthcare, Thomas Jefferson supporting progressive taxation, protection from corporate power, and a right to free and public higher education.
@robrich7846
@robrich7846 10 ай бұрын
I think he really hit the nail on the head regarding the difficulty people have of articulating a clear alternative to originalism. A lot of people do struggle to answer Scalia's question, "If you aren't an originalist, what are you?"
@fairalways
@fairalways 10 ай бұрын
I don't struggle with it. I am a modernist. Would you like to know more?
@robrich7846
@robrich7846 10 ай бұрын
@@fairalways I'd love to!
@fairalways
@fairalways 10 ай бұрын
Good! Scalia wrote voluminously. Spend as much time as Scalia wasted funneling his anti-science, anti-intellectual dogmatic views through what he thought dead men meant; only instead, occupy yourself with where modern morality finds its primarily humanist (liberal and social) locus of agreement and debate, allowing for the growing insights into sentientism, and spend time applying them to to a redefining and/or confirming of our rights, and remake our Constitution accordingly, just as Jefferson suggested we do periodically. We have no shortage of moral and ethical geniuses who can argue just as was done in 1787, only they're more enlightened today. And some archaic and/or anti-democratic things, like either redefining our Senate or chucking it, chucking our Electoral College, rewriting our second amendment, are no-brainers. Modern. Of COURSE Scalia would try to reduce it to a word. I'm just giving the sort of one-word answer he thought would be a gotcha.
@rochcarothers-ts3jx
@rochcarothers-ts3jx 10 ай бұрын
This means nothing,you are an originalist at the beginning,and then you grow it to amplify it🌳
@Stephen-gi1rx
@Stephen-gi1rx 10 ай бұрын
@robrich7846: ""If you aren't an originalist, what are you?"" The short answer is that you are a supporter of judicial activism, where a bunch of unelected judges get to (in effect) re-write the US Constitution using their judicial powers to interpret that Constitution rather than the politicians using article five and a formal constitutional amendment. Judicial activism has its supporters on both the Left and the Right. For some examples of right-wing judicial activism at work check out such Supreme Court cases as the so-called Insular Cases, Dred Scot v. Sanford, and Chae Chan Ping v. United States (also known as the Chinese Exclusion Case).
@ywtcc
@ywtcc 10 ай бұрын
I'm not so sure that corporations didn't exist at the time of the Founders. It seems to me the difference between the Founders and modernity here is the perspective on corporations, as to the Founders a corporation was an arm of the imperial state. Which is sensible considering their interactions with European colonial corporations. The corporation was not so much a private business as a violent, exportable system of governance and mass exploitation. It this way, I am in favor of the originalist interpretation Corporations should be considered arms of the state again, and institutions to project imperial power. And, subject to constitutional limitations as such entities. This is the problem with corporations and the state being so often in concert on public policy. Starts to look like autocracy. An awful lot like autocracy.
@soulknife20
@soulknife20 10 ай бұрын
Well. They did and didn't. The Dutch West India Company was a corporation. But corporations didn't really start up in the US until the 1790s, after the Constitution was written and ratified. I do think the lack of regulations is a big issue that needs to be addressed
@Zaniel8
@Zaniel8 10 ай бұрын
U dont know history
@ywtcc
@ywtcc 10 ай бұрын
​@@soulknife20 The Massachusetts Bay Company and the Providence Island Company were in the Americas since 1629. Hey, aren't those closely related to state names?! What a coincidence! I think you may have some of the corporatism deleted from your history book for some reason.
@ywtcc
@ywtcc 10 ай бұрын
@@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231 I think that your interpretation is more reflective of your reading level than it is of my ability to talk about corporations in an even handed manner. Reading back through the text of the comments here, it seems to me that you're the one in that's failed to talk about corporations in an even handed manner. All you did was reflexively hand out defensive accusations and added absolutely nothing to the conversation otherwise. So start adding to the conversation in an even handed manner, or stop pretending you know how to recognize a good faith argument. You don't. It's all projection and misinterpretation to you.
@soulknife20
@soulknife20 10 ай бұрын
​@@ywtccConsidering neither one of those existed at the time of the Founders, I chose to ignore them, you goofy little boy
@brandonsarasnick1602
@brandonsarasnick1602 10 ай бұрын
I struggle with this, i know its diffrent times, but if we deviated to far from the orginal text, it will take away from the basic principles this country was founded on. Lets say speech, i would find any speech restriction an actbof betrayal. Like i said we need to fimd common sense actions. To help better our country, while using the original text as the basis. They just made hate speech punishable by law in brazil, as much as i think its a noble cause, its a very dangerous path. Once they take away your liberty, you'll never get it back. So imo, i think we still have to use the orginal text,and creative ways to stay within that frame, to help it fit and better our society.
@Alcagaur1
@Alcagaur1 10 ай бұрын
All these fundamentalists need to read Jefferson's letter to Kercheval :- "Each generation is as independent as the one preceding, as that was of all which had gone before. It has then, like them, a right to choose for itself the form of government it believes most promotive of its own happiness; consequently, to accommodate to the circumstances in which it finds itself, that received from its predecessors; and it is for the peace and good of mankind, that a solemn opportunity of doing this every nineteen or twenty years, should be provided by the constitution; so that it may be handed on, with periodical repairs, from generation to generation, to the end of time, if anything human can so long endure."
@hatchetwound666
@hatchetwound666 10 ай бұрын
Sorry that was one guys letter and it obviously wasn't implemented so it holds 0 weight.
@stefangeorge2844
@stefangeorge2844 10 ай бұрын
@@hatchetwound666yeah just one guy who had nothing to do with the constitution- his opinion on the matter is completely irrelevant right? You don’t have a very critical mind- the relevance of the quote to the discussion at hand is quite clearly beyond your comprehension.
@hatchetwound666
@hatchetwound666 10 ай бұрын
@@stefangeorge2844 He was a founding father he was not king. His personal opinion or feeling on the subject is irrelevant it was never implemented. There is a process for amending the constitution it doesn't say "rewrite the constitution every 20 years" anywhere in the constitution. That'd be like me finding a letter from James Madison saying rights never ever change and can't be taken away & declaring it relevant since a founding father wrote it.
@Jakeurb8ty82
@Jakeurb8ty82 10 ай бұрын
. @hatchetwound666 Sorry but knowing the mind of the people who wrote the document is relevant outside the myopic and deliberately obtuse interpretation of activist judges who benefit things as they are now -dysfunctional... that's like your opinion man.
@hatchetwound666
@hatchetwound666 10 ай бұрын
@@Jakeurb8ty82 Sorry but rewriting the constitution every 20 years was never implemented into the constitution. Feel free to push for an amendment that adds that.
@kennethb6211
@kennethb6211 10 ай бұрын
I respect his 1st ammendment right since he wants it to be reinterpreted he can no longer question the second without imprisonment. This argument is flawed on its face.
@thaddeusnallphilosophersst6855
@thaddeusnallphilosophersst6855 10 ай бұрын
To say that the Constitution created a "democratic republic" is to say that nazis were "nationalist socialist". Neither is accurate based on the textbook definition of those philosophies. Nazis were imperialistic fascists (like the polar opposite of nationalism and socialism). The constitution created and imperialistic oligarchy almost indistinguishable from fascism. Literally the main part of the constitution that keeps it from being fascist and leaves it in the oligarchy camp is the 1st amendment. The constitution was made to protect the power of the government over the people and to gatekeep over who can be part of the government, or even vote. The only people the constitution protects are rich white land-owning men, traditionally. The constitution says more about who is excluded for political participation than it says about who is included.
@robinsss
@robinsss 10 ай бұрын
'''''''''''The only people the constitution protects are rich white land-owning men, traditionally.''''''''' which part of the constitution says that?
@alex-brs
@alex-brs 4 ай бұрын
Probably the most retarded take I've ever read
@dickeyseamus
@dickeyseamus 10 ай бұрын
These originalists should live with the technology and comforts only available in 1776.
@benfaunce7496
@benfaunce7496 10 ай бұрын
Only if the other loose constructionists live with the turmoil resulting from the tyranny of the majority and mischief of faction.
@Bill-kk7tz
@Bill-kk7tz 5 күн бұрын
​@benfaunce7496 I'll gladly take you up on that given I'm Swiss and that's surely how we operate from your POV. It's given us: A higher GDP per capita and stronger growth rates than the USA Astronomically more healthy public finances Greater protections and rights for workers A better and more affordable education system Less poverty Less homelessness Lower unemployment Lower taxes Punctual and well funded public transport across the country All while being more diverse than the USA to boot. :) Swiss institutions. Give them a try sometime. :P Greetings from Switzerland
@martinobrien7110
@martinobrien7110 10 ай бұрын
You cannot beat Scientific fact .
@rsr789
@rsr789 10 ай бұрын
Try telling that to the religitards.
@Uncanny_Mountain
@Uncanny_Mountain 10 ай бұрын
Still comes down to how those facts are interpolated, who has the "authority" Universities and Academia suffer from many of the same political issues
@rochcarothers-ts3jx
@rochcarothers-ts3jx 10 ай бұрын
📜itself broke ALL original previous meanings of Law-- RESPECT ✅✅
@tylerhackner9731
@tylerhackner9731 10 ай бұрын
Yes!
@freecheese4143
@freecheese4143 10 ай бұрын
I'm so impressed by her analysis. Still, there are mechanisms in place for revising the Constitution. It makes for less extreme swings in politics, although not without problems.
@JoseReyes-wo2lm
@JoseReyes-wo2lm 10 ай бұрын
( We the people have to have laws to go by, to guide us , sometimes it has to be changed, like GUNS!)
@benfaunce7496
@benfaunce7496 10 ай бұрын
Indeed. I, too, agree we should continue to change guns; furthering the technology and effectiveness of modern firearms.
@soulknife20
@soulknife20 10 ай бұрын
​@@benfaunce7496Or. Hear me out. No. Now go away piss baby
@mainely8007
@mainely8007 10 ай бұрын
The founders would agree that change is necessary; many of them changed their minds on the very things they wrote, especially once they took office and tried to implement them.
@mainely8007
@mainely8007 10 ай бұрын
@@benfaunce7496Pathetic attempt to troll with guns - fail.
@benfaunce7496
@benfaunce7496 10 ай бұрын
@@mainely8007 They wouldn't change their minds on the imperative aspect to individual autonomy being armed protects. Only a statest half-chubbed on Mama government would think populace disarmament is a good idea.
@Bramble451
@Bramble451 10 ай бұрын
The dominant philosophy no longer needs to defend itself because it has "won", so it doesn't articulate its ideology. It "falls asleep". The minority philosophy needs to make a case for itself, and so it articulates an ideology and slogans. Conservatives lost in the 60's and 70's, and liberalism thought it had won the final battle, and so it fell asleep. Now that conservatism is ascendant, liberalism is waking up and will learn to articulate itself and fight for itself. Action and reaction... the cycle never ends.
@benfaunce7496
@benfaunce7496 10 ай бұрын
Liberalism is asleep for sure. Freedom is threatened. There aren't liberals anymore; there are leftist zombies who want everyone to live decadent reality-rejecting self affirming lies while Mama Government takes care of everything and keeps you "safe"
@Damacles9
@Damacles9 10 ай бұрын
Truth
@Tom_Tom_Klondike
@Tom_Tom_Klondike 10 ай бұрын
What is going on in the comments today? Wild ride out here
@soulknife20
@soulknife20 10 ай бұрын
​@@shadebleuA bunch of yahoos who have no idea what they are talking about. Classic rightoids
@anthonymorris5084
@anthonymorris5084 10 ай бұрын
@@soulknife20 And yet making derogatory generalizations about an entire group of people is somehow laced with objectivity and virtue?
@soulknife20
@soulknife20 10 ай бұрын
​@@anthonymorris5084I'm not trying to be virtuous. That's your first mistake. The right deserves to be bullied for voting for absolute morons
@johnsmith7140
@johnsmith7140 10 ай бұрын
😂
@opsuport9723
@opsuport9723 10 ай бұрын
So true we should all just obey and give up our arms becouse tbe goverment is always rigth.
@rochcarothers-ts3jx
@rochcarothers-ts3jx 10 ай бұрын
NO,purposed for "Life,Liberty,Aand Pursuit of Happiness"-use 🧠
@hatchetwound666
@hatchetwound666 10 ай бұрын
I don't agree rights don't change just because times are different. There is a process for amending the constitution rights should not be susceptible to random change just because someone says "times are different". Sorry we already have a blatantly fascist party why would I want my rights in the air?
@mastermoose8390
@mastermoose8390 10 ай бұрын
They already are dipshit. Rights don’t become real because we really really believe they are. They’re real because there is some type of monopoly of force there to ensure them.😂
@GrimReader
@GrimReader 10 ай бұрын
Well the amendments aren’t being done due to originalists. Times are different and your rights are at the whims of elected people that have no interest in your rights anyway if it shakes the status quo and upward flow of money. Realistically the U.S needs to scrap that fucking constitution completely and create a new one, the original text wasn’t meant to last this long
@hatchetwound666
@hatchetwound666 10 ай бұрын
​@@GrimReaderAbsolutely not I do not trust corrupt bought & paid for politicians to re write our rights sounds like each amendment in your new constitution will go to the highest bidder.
@purphexyon
@purphexyon 10 ай бұрын
​@@stevensteckle5973Wtf does that even mean? Such a generic statement.
@Bluespicygreen
@Bluespicygreen 10 ай бұрын
@@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231this is an insane statement
@abstractalien12345
@abstractalien12345 10 ай бұрын
If Hillary Clinton had been elected in 2016, we would have had 3 vacancies going into 2020
@MrsRitchieBlackmore
@MrsRitchieBlackmore 10 ай бұрын
Do you not think that this permission to "update" the Constitution goes both ways? It has already been interpreted very creatively by both sides throughout our history. There is no need to scrap it.
@thecollector6746
@thecollector6746 10 ай бұрын
No. The Amendment process was specifically designed to account for inevitable societal change, never mind the entire concept of "Originalism" is ironical absolutely bullshit The Right made up because of course they can't be honest about their true motivations and positions.
@gsmith6595
@gsmith6595 10 ай бұрын
Yeah I am not for the one side that wants to "update" the constitution by making their one religion rule all over our land.
@stefangeorge2844
@stefangeorge2844 10 ай бұрын
@@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231can you given an example of what you mean in terms of constitutional interpretation?
@albert.escobar31
@albert.escobar31 10 ай бұрын
I guess, but Is this really a thing? There's been 27 amendments.
@Lucy-pz9ft
@Lucy-pz9ft 10 ай бұрын
Only if are constitutional rights and civil rights are preserved and as long as constitutional law article 6 clause 2 is preserved
@daraghokane4236
@daraghokane4236 10 ай бұрын
Im such a constitutional traditionalist I reject all ammendments to it they just desiccated a otherwise perfect documents.
@fogcat5
@fogcat5 10 ай бұрын
I believe all copies of the constitution should be handwritten in cursive with a quill. Anything less is anti-originalist and woke.
@benfaunce7496
@benfaunce7496 10 ай бұрын
Props to the Federalist take
@daraghokane4236
@daraghokane4236 10 ай бұрын
@@benfaunce7496 are federalist anti second ammendment then?
@chadfriesen1858
@chadfriesen1858 10 ай бұрын
I’m a never trump republican and I really like a lot of what you progressives say about certain issues. However this is where you lose people like me. Laws must be interpreted the way they where intended at the time. You can change those laws if you have the votes but you don’t have the votes so you want to interpret the laws differently. That doesn’t fly for a lot of people who would other wise be with you.
@selfish-perverse-n-turbulent
@selfish-perverse-n-turbulent 10 ай бұрын
If you were correct, we would not need the U.S. Code. The Constitution is different than the U.S. Code. It was intentionally drafted with broad concepts, ideas to be used as guides.
@lessonslearned2569
@lessonslearned2569 10 ай бұрын
Considering that orginalism was not part of the founders intent but a reaction by cons to the civil rights movement it can and should be discarded. That and the fact that it is utterly false as well.
@thisisanewusername4662
@thisisanewusername4662 10 ай бұрын
you're so wrong
@mainely8007
@mainely8007 10 ай бұрын
Every law that was passed was done after debate, input and some form of process that allows for interpretation with respect to original intent. However, even the founding fathers knew that things would change and they themselves did so during their own lives. Jefferson was dead set against the purchase of further lands beyond the original colonies - later he signed the Louisiana Purchase eagerly. Declaring the Constitution to be essentially carved in stone by the finger of god and therefore never interpreted differently is absolutist and ignorant.
@tonywilson4713
@tonywilson4713 10 ай бұрын
That's a reasonably nuanced answer with merit but what we are talking about is a group of people who claim to be the ONLY GROUP capable of interpreting something written by people who are no longer alive. This is not simply a problem with the US Constitution its a problem with so many social & political institutions and the dogmas created by people in these "We know the truth!" groups. On another subject but equally plagued with dogma is economics and that currently has an incredible effect on our lives. There's the 2 competing ideologies of capitalism that came from people like Adam Smith and David Ricardo versus the socialism & communism that came from people like Karl Marx. Right now we are dominated by Chicago School neoliberal economics that was formulated by people like Hayek and Freidman. Most of us have NO IDEA what any of them were on about. We rely on people interpreting what they meant. There are 100s of acolytes who will all happily explain the virtues of what Smith, Marx and Ricardo wrote and champion their causes AND they will do it no matter what evidence there is that the systems they put in place HAVE FAILED. The pure socialism and communism of Eastern Europe FAILED, but you can't tell that to a Marxist Lefty. The pure capitalism of America and the West is FAILING but you can't tell that to a Freidmanite Capitalist. I'm Australian but went to college in America. I think the US Constitution is one of the greatest achievements in human history BUT BECAUSE of these people who claim to be the true interpreters its now regarded as a joke around the world. I think the original Bill of Rights (the first 10 Amendments) is sublime genius but its been trampled on by packs of ideological M0R0Ns who act of of pure selfishness and arrogance.
@jacklow8590
@jacklow8590 10 ай бұрын
Lewis and Clark had a fifteen shot auto loader they used for selfdefense and hunting,the construction is still relevant today.
@Bramble451
@Bramble451 10 ай бұрын
What gun are you talking about? The Girandoni-style air rifle? If so, that's a repeating rifle, but not an auto loader. It also wasn't really used for self-defense, but for intimidation, as it were. They had only one, and they demonstrated it when they met with Indian tribes to show how fast it could shoot, but didn't tell them that it was the only one they had.
@Canbilly2
@Canbilly2 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, this channel needs guests that push back. It's an extremist echo chamber as it is now.
@markbrandt3252
@markbrandt3252 10 ай бұрын
Lol. What exactly about the Majority Report is extremist? They’ve always come off as sane and level headed to me
@jorgepuerta6577
@jorgepuerta6577 10 ай бұрын
@@markbrandt3252you’re wasting your time. This is a sad dude that desperately leaves hundreds of comments on videos of a channel he doesn’t care about or like. You know real adult stuff
@hash8169
@hash8169 10 ай бұрын
extreme times call for extreme policies, the us constitution is full of dead ideas written by white supremacists
@dickeyseamus
@dickeyseamus 10 ай бұрын
Tell me the extremist part.
@anthonymorris5084
@anthonymorris5084 10 ай бұрын
Agreed, but the Left don't tolerate, let alone welcome "push back". It's anathema.
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