Why Crystal Palace sacked Patrick Vieira
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Crystal Palace have parted ways with Patrick Vieira. The former Arsenal captain joined the south Londoners during a summer of great squad upheaval. However, they are yet to win a league game in 2023.
JJ Bull explains, with the help of The Athletic’s Crystal Palace reporter Matt Woosnam, why Vieira was sacked.
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@jshorts3451 Жыл бұрын
I think Vincent Kompany said it best in his presser. I think its really harsh to sack him because he had Palace playing an expansive style with a squad that wasn't backed at all. It also is a move that doesn't exactly make Palace more stable, which is key to avoiding relegation
@martytu20 Жыл бұрын
The real question about Vieira is did the players under him get better?
@mattvarner5825 Жыл бұрын
@@martytu20 As an Arsenal supporter, I've enjoyed the growth of Sambi Lokonga growing into another team's shirt.
@jshorts3451 Жыл бұрын
@@martytu20 Could Milivojevic, Nathaniel Clyne, or James Mcarthur get better under any manager?
@Kyle-mw3bo Жыл бұрын
Wasn’t backed at all? They’re not the biggest spenders but it’s hard to argue they’ve been thrifty since Viera arrived
@bri1085 Жыл бұрын
@@Kyle-mw3boVieira came into a Palace team that had a massive exodus, they had to back him that first season
@gautamanparasan7067 Жыл бұрын
Bruh this is the second time that a team fired their manager right before facing arsenal . Another Everton moment maybe ? 😅
@lorenzomartinez8543 Жыл бұрын
Nah, Everton already had a new manager by the time the match came along. Here, it's coming after the match.
@ossiaigbedo7223 Жыл бұрын
It’s the 3rd time we’ve played a new manager. We played Ten Hag. Don’t care what anyone says I knew they had that new manager bounce
@Zinklo Жыл бұрын
@@ossiaigbedo7223 Not really, remebmer first 2 games? ten hag had been there since june and they had a pre-season and they’ve also done just as well after
@1gnis1337 Жыл бұрын
Third time, Aston villa, everton and now crypal
@dylanfh1 Жыл бұрын
This time its at the Emirates and Arsenal will want blood for Viera
@jaemate21 Жыл бұрын
It's a harsh decision to be completely honest. After Arsenal they are left with all the winnable games. PV is so unlucky when you consider that people like David Moyes is still in there.
@henrylok3574 Жыл бұрын
Also Graham Potter
@chiefnkosi7705 Жыл бұрын
After watching this video, I was thinking that those players at West Ham would do really well under Vieira offensively and defend proactively.
@chinmaypurohit3431 Жыл бұрын
Moyes has credit in the bank because of those damn 18 months. With Potter its money, Boehly does not want to pay 45M.
@adamwhittaker9620 Жыл бұрын
No wins in 2023. How is he not shockingly bad as a manager?
@joshuaray4731 Жыл бұрын
Considering they want Roy Hodgson as a manager (a free agent) atleast give him 2 of those winnable games to get 4 points imo
@killorfill6953 Жыл бұрын
Palace fans may well regret this, most difficult games now have been played, Viera should have been given until the end of the season, they were still in a relatively strong position, Palace could easily get relegated now.
@funkrates4778 Жыл бұрын
Agree completely.
@tino6440 Жыл бұрын
we're 3 points above the drop, how is that a strong position?
@SKa-tt9nm Жыл бұрын
@@tino6440 the part where he said “the most difficult games have been played”
@selgeaus Жыл бұрын
Yes, the keyword is "most".... next game is against the league leader
@bna919 Жыл бұрын
@@selgeaus And do you think you become more likely to win against Arsenal by displacing the manager which creates uncertainty amongst the players?
@jonathana6943 Жыл бұрын
Context is very important. The teams they played when they had a run of barely picking up points, were well above them in the league so I don't know what the board were expecting when they didn't even back him. I'm pretty sure they were one of the pl teams who barely spent any money in the transfer window.
@commentarytalk1446 Жыл бұрын
It's not like CP don't have some very good players who are under-performing. The fact is, with different methods, performances can increase enough to change results irrespective of a better ficture list upcoming. I think this is exactly what will happen over the next 11 games for CP.
@jonathana6943 Жыл бұрын
@@commentarytalk1446 They only have 4 real quality players, rest of them are average and some of them are not pl quality at all. Fact is he is overachieving with the squad at his disposal even if the gap from where they are to relegation-threatened is minor. They have played pretty much all of their tough teams and now face teams around their level. It would have been better for them to give him until the rest of the season. They had to play united twice, city, chelsea, liverpool, newcastle, brentford and brighton who are all top teams and very good ones so it was a bit foolish for them to sack him. The person who they will bring won't even be that much of an upgrade anyway and they won't play better football with the sqaud at their disposal.
@josephbarnes4257 8 ай бұрын
@@jonathana6943hahahaha lmao
@ApocalypticRenegade Жыл бұрын
The problem is no matter how well you did the season before or how many other factors are at play. You can only lose or draw so many on the bounce before you have to do something. I always think of Ranieri at Leicester, sacked after winning the prem because they just kept playing badly. Once that kind of run starts it is very difficult to stop the slide.
@Bghjssjald233 Жыл бұрын
Not really like Patrick Viera did anything special that brought him time, Roy finished like 14/13 and he finished 12
@danielmulhern6085 Жыл бұрын
@@Bghjssjald233 Vieira got Palace to Wembley and had us playing the best football palace have ever played in the prem
@sosman747 Жыл бұрын
In my honest opinion, Sir. Graham Stephen Potter is the greatest manager in history of the sport fußbal for turning it around after a 2 wins in 16 landslide
@Bghjssjald233 Жыл бұрын
@@danielmulhern6085 Had you playing the best football in the same spot as Roy Hodgson with about £120m more than him
@JamailvanWestering Жыл бұрын
@@Bghjssjald233 what ? Under Hodgson they were shyte. Because he’s a relic and no amount of money would have helped
@zekechap Жыл бұрын
"Something has to change, and that is Patrick Vieira who has changed to being unemployed" - Fatality.
@rana1561 Жыл бұрын
Vierra's style definitely works for a bigger club, he'll be alright.
@chiefnkosi7705 Жыл бұрын
Have to agree there
@infamouscfc793 Жыл бұрын
What style? He's failed everywhere he's managed lol... he failed up into the Palace managerial job.
@Qlicky Жыл бұрын
@@infamouscfc793 He must remind you of Potter.
@mrwabbit9576 Жыл бұрын
And what style would that be? Timewasting at 0-0 20 mins into games? His style was probably the worst to watch in the league and just incredibly negative. Unfortunately palace will only find someone else just as terrible to play their haramball
@T.E.S.S. Жыл бұрын
Which bigger club has his style definitely worked at? 😂
@FlamingWalrus317 Жыл бұрын
Honestly pretty shocked they sacked Vieira, thought he was doing all right. Also David Moyes is still in a job at West Ham and they're doing worse than Palace.
@michaelfarrow5817 Жыл бұрын
The best take I heard on this was: "People who don't understand this sacking haven't watched Crystal Palace this season. Lucky them."
@Adam-ov5ie Жыл бұрын
1 win in 14. That's ultimately what got him the sack, and no matter how few resources are available to a manager there are few owners at lower table clubs who will tolerate a run like that.
@CardiacKatz Жыл бұрын
were they expecting him to get points at brighton? the timing is so strange with how difficulty their schedule was.
@lenl860 Жыл бұрын
It was the first time they failed to pick up points to Brighton since 2019
@Darealmclovin47 Жыл бұрын
They very easily would’ve won if their players could finish, after watching that game I can’t understand why they sacked him
@GANSO_KERAUNOS Жыл бұрын
They appointed Roy Hogson to replace Viera, beyond comedy 💀
@leopreldakaj5313 Жыл бұрын
3 wins in 3 with best attacking play in years 🖕
@jonathana6943 Жыл бұрын
When you look a the run where didn't really win any games in 10 they faced teams like brentford ,brighton, city, newcastle. united and other good teams that was above them in the league, so you can't really expect him to do anything; even more so when he doesn't get backed. In this era of the prem money is so important whether you like it or not to be able to compete you need to invest and invest well. I think they (Crystal Palace) spent the least out of everyone in the prem. For me personally, he should have stayed up until the end of the season and then they can make a decision. I watched Zaha's interview and also Kompany's as well and they were a bit bemused as to why he got the sack but it is what it is. Just watch how players like Olise and Eze leave and they will be back to the palace we know, not trying to play front-foot football and soaking up the pressure and hoping for a bit of individual brilliance from Zaha or someone. Don't care if they go down, at least it means their quality players like olise,zaha,eze, andersen and a couple others will be up for grabs.
@commentarytalk1446 Жыл бұрын
I think if you watch the video you can see the stats and numbers and trends behind Palace and those are the basis for Parish saying: "It's a results-driven business" which is why Viera was sacked. Your explanation makes for a great Shakespeare's Play but does little for facts or evidence.
@jonathana6943 Жыл бұрын
@@commentarytalk1446 Result-driven business? Yes but it isn't completely out of the question to say if his complexion of his skin was much lighter, would he still be in the job? Who knows?
@TomClarkSouthLondon Жыл бұрын
Totally disagree, he was the worst manager EVER! 👎🏽
@jonathana6943 Жыл бұрын
@@TomClarkSouthLondon So assuming you're a crystal palace fan, who would be a realistic choice to take the position of coach then? And would your person of choice be an upgrade as a coach and why?
@TomClarkSouthLondon Жыл бұрын
@@jonathana6943 Shaun Derry, or Paddy McCarthy. both know how to scrap. We need true grit performances not “tippy tappy, school playground ballers!” Too many ridiculous bad decisions by PV has left us deep in the brown stuff, we all knew it, and as sad as it is, he was never going to turn it around and should have gone weeks ago. The pro PV deluded keep saying he had no backing, fixtures were horrible!!!!! Well that’s the Prem and he knew Palace were not going to have money to throw around. Good Riddance to a useless manager👎🏽
@Arihiroki_LG Жыл бұрын
the part where you saw the pragmatic drop off on pressing was the games when Zaha was out injured
@davidkotze4140 Жыл бұрын
As a Liverpool supporter I'm sorry to hear this...I've watched most of the CP games and think they play a great game....full of exciting talented players and could've ended up higher in the league when the season ends. I admire Viera and see his sacking at this stage of the season as a negative manouvre for the club....I guess time will tell. Best wishes to Patrick Viera and his future! YNWA 😁
@am5790 Жыл бұрын
what a conundrum ....and unlucky Viera had to be in that situation.
@gunmankhan8167 Жыл бұрын
WTF WHY DO THEY ALWAYS DO THIS BEFORE THEY PLAY ARSENAL 😭😭😭
@CardiacKatz Жыл бұрын
dont worry they would have parked the bus regardless, u21 caretaker wont have the same bounce
@JoshMarshain Жыл бұрын
We sent them Sambi Lokonga, this is their revenge
@Xgeneration28 Жыл бұрын
I can imagine viera is better on the transfer market than he is on the coaching side.
@ericbertilsson6794 Жыл бұрын
Why would they sack Viera? It makes absolutely no sense. Yes, they lost a lot of games lately but they’re 12th in the prem, and after Arsenal they should be able to pick up some points. What do they expect, breaking into the Europa League ahead of the big 6 (potentially a 7 in the future of Newcastle is going to become an established successful club)? Kinda hope they’ll struggle so they’ll regret their decision.
@itsinthetreesitscoming7431 Жыл бұрын
They're 12th in the Prem, or 4 points off the bottom, depending how you look at it....
@ericbertilsson6794 Жыл бұрын
@@itsinthetreesitscoming7431 I see your point but does that mean that Wolves, Leeds, Everton, Nottingham, Leicester, Westham, Bournemouth and Southampton should all sack their managers? It’s just all rather impulsive imo
@itsinthetreesitscoming7431 Жыл бұрын
@@ericbertilsson6794 That's a decision for their chairmen isn't it? BTW, sacking the Everton/Southampton/Leeds managers might be considered unreasonable at this point, given they've been in their jobs for about a dozen games between them. Their predecessors were sacked for being in similar situations to Viera, although I don't see Vincent Company voicing his concerns about them...
@seemourbutts6679 Жыл бұрын
Real tough one. Definitely earned the right to turn it around last season but at the same time they’re on a hard slump and you can’t be getting relegated
@AndreBaguette Жыл бұрын
Conor Gallagher should come back to Palace he's a sub at Chelsea and was the main character at palace last season
@T.E.S.S. Жыл бұрын
He probably doesn't have a future at Chelsea but he can do a lot better than Palace
@nlg070301 Жыл бұрын
Forgot to mention we have the least progressive fullbacks in the league.
@alexandertherad8763 Жыл бұрын
This video made me realize that I would be really interested in a series that covers managers from lower tiers around the world who are up and coming or playing tactically interesting/exciting football.
@martytu20 Жыл бұрын
Vieira was assistant in Man City, coached NYCFC for a couple of years, coached at Nice for a couple, and is now sacked from Crystal Palace after a year and a half.
@TachyonKing Жыл бұрын
I can’t seriously believe that Palace have decided that their best option right now is bringing back Roy Hodgson. It is utterly chaotic.
@23drumfreak Жыл бұрын
Roy hodgson is a better manager than Patrick viera
@TachyonKing Жыл бұрын
@@23drumfreak Whether Roy Hodsgon is a better manager than Vieira or not isn’t my point here- the issue is that Palace’s plan B should have never been ‘bring back Roy Hodgson’. Whatever your opinion on Palace’s survival hopes (personally think they were unlikely to drop regardless, even with Vieira in charge) Palace have effectively gone backwards by two years. They’re dangerously at risk of stagnating and slumping just like Watford (and guess which manager was in charge of Watford’s most recent drop?)
@danofthesouth Жыл бұрын
what about now?
@leopreldakaj5313 Жыл бұрын
Vieira is the worst manager in premier League history
@TachyonKing Жыл бұрын
@@danofthesouth Yep, still think its chaotic. Roy may have got the team in form again, but Palace cant just turn back to him every time they’re in trouble. Roy is a quick fix to a deeper problem.
@niedrzyjsietak Жыл бұрын
I'm a Palace fan and I'm disappointed with this news. :c
@Tobi_237 Жыл бұрын
As disappointing as it is, it’s not unreasonable. Palace’s form has been increasingly negative, and when you consider that y’all are hovering over the bottom by just 2 points, something needed to change. Vieira got figured out by the league faster than he could evolve to his next level tactically. Like Eddie Howe, he could figure this out and land a new and better job where he can evolve his philosophy quicker and further. It’s just business.
@jonathana6943 Жыл бұрын
@@Tobi_237 Go ahead and look at their last 10 prem games and tell me what ones they should be getting any points out of those games.
@TomClarkSouthLondon Жыл бұрын
I’m a Palace fan, and have been disappointed with Palace fans not accepting how useless this guy is😒
@Tobi_237 Жыл бұрын
@@jonathana6943 This is the Premier League, there ARE no easy games. Leeds found a way to beat Liverpool at Anfield, Brentford found a way to beat City at the Etihad, Villa found a way past United and Everton a way past Arsenal. Premier League teams find a way to squeeze out a result where they can. Going winless in 10 and scoring only 4 goals in 3 months is damning. In a results business, the performances Palace were putting out, over the past month especially, were NOTHING to write home about, and would fill NO ONE with any confidence. As a neutral, it’s not even up for debate that Vieira’s come up short.
@niedrzyjsietak Жыл бұрын
@@Tobi_237 Tbh with this squad I doubt anyone would produce better results. Come on, we're talking about Palace with absolutely toothless strikers (Edouard, Mateta, Ayew), no premier league level right back, out of form left back, Schlupp and Milivoyevich STILL getting games. Okay, Doucoure is fantastic business, Olise too. Central defenders are decent. Zaha is Zaha and Eze has spells of good form. The rest of the squad is Championship level.
@SkeledroMan Жыл бұрын
This happened at Nice too. Palace should have seen it coming.
@abdim123 Жыл бұрын
this wasnt vieras fault. he had a bad fixture list and all his good winnable games were upcoming. Crystal Palace Owners are stupid for sacking him now and shoudlve gave him to the end of the season. I hope they get relegated
@TomClarkSouthLondon Жыл бұрын
@@abdim123 Yet another example of how stupid people make themselves look even more stupid with your remarks. All games should be winnable after ten years in the top flight.🤫
@lenl860 Жыл бұрын
@@abdim123 hurt arsenal fan that hasn’t watched a minute of palace this season?
@macmurfitt Жыл бұрын
@@abdim123 lol all those winnable games. we've only won 6 all season and 4 of them were when we got strangely luckily and came from behind to win. The real palace was us getting thrashed by Lampards Everton 3 nil. There are no winnable games in this league and you can't take a three game run of no shots on target and no wins in 2023 and think suddenly we'll be loads better because the teams are 'worse'. Those teams below us are also just hitting form because they're fighting to stay up and the gap between us has only got so small because they've beeb closing it.
@Pricelessmile Жыл бұрын
So it seems like defensively they are solid but need some more attacking impetus. Ah, makes complete sense why they'd want Hodgson back then..
@bna919 Жыл бұрын
They don't want to play attacking football because they score too much but they also don't want to play defensive football because they score too little? It's almost as if there is a tradeoff
@handleyourcandle66 Жыл бұрын
glad the consensus isnt hating on vieira
@jaroslawmajkusiak629 Жыл бұрын
Crystal Palace on the weekend is a trap game for Arsenal now. I felt it before Everton, I feel it now 😅
@troynazir Жыл бұрын
do one on Southampton on how you think they can stay up.
@akamiguelsanchez9985 Жыл бұрын
So Vieira got battered for not being pragmatic, then got battered for not being attacking???
@amphiphil844 Жыл бұрын
That journalist contradicted himself twice in two sentences
@tomteatom Жыл бұрын
Because the video would have looked unprofessional if they'd been honest and just said "we don't really watch Palace much. Not sure why he was sacked. Seemed alright. Daft decision."
@T.E.S.S. Жыл бұрын
So is it time for Viera to give up this management lark and settle for a coaching gig at Arsenal?
@leobestbote4244 Жыл бұрын
Hope PV finds a better team with a bigger budget to show his true qaulity
@jonathana6943 Жыл бұрын
Me too bro
@sosafrom1790 Жыл бұрын
He won’t get another job in the prem for sure he’s over rated
@bna919 Жыл бұрын
@@sosafrom1790 Lampard was able to and Viera is much better
@TomClarkSouthLondon Жыл бұрын
Ridiculous comment 👎🏽
@infamouscfc793 Жыл бұрын
@@bna919 At what? What has Vieira accomplished to show he's better? He's failed everywhere he's managed.
@maxrimmer1027 Жыл бұрын
The real victim of St Patrick's Day!
@commentarytalk1446 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. Voices of sanity pointing out the trends and facts. I think the calculus of points to win in remaining matches vs last 11 games trend is worth pointing out and the risk/probability that CP have had to analyse and change things SOONER/NOW (even if that's unfortunate timing for Viera) to secure those points needed for priority to stay up. It's a serious dog-fight down there with all those teams producing performances and grabbing wins... All in all, the right decision even if Viera + CP would turn things around with better fixture list. It's too risky not to seek change NOW.
@jonathana6943 Жыл бұрын
Who can they get tho. No-one that they get will really be that much of an upgrade on him. I think it was a dumb decision and they will hopefully go down so we can see their quality players like olise, eze, zaha and andersen getting picked up by good clubs like a brighton, brentford, newcastle or some of the big 6.
@Pricelessmile Жыл бұрын
I think the calculated points 'required' is a complete joke, because there's 8 teams below them that also need to do that, AND more. So if its unlikely Palace will do it, is it really more likely that 6 teams below them will? No.
@mkram2154 Жыл бұрын
I’ve seen they play. I honestly think Zaha should have been sold because the whole team gotta adjust to him. Zaha is a great individual player but terrible team player. And there’s no Connor Gallagher to control the midfield with work rate, determination and leadership.
@ay613 Жыл бұрын
U don’t know what you are talking about. We are literally worse without Zaha statistically and stylistically too.
@Mpb17-Music- 5 ай бұрын
Don’t you think that Patrick Viera can do a good job at Crystal Palace now as they have the Brazilian wonderkid who could carry the ball up the pitch
@stupotsoley Жыл бұрын
Why isn't there a 7 in the background!?
@kukamusa1947 Жыл бұрын
I am a personal fun of Viera as manager. I just stopped watching him when he started to use players out of position. This made them loose form and depended too too much on Mateta who is a championship type of stricker. I really dont know why he played Olise as an attacking Midfielder and Schlup as a Left Midfielder. They were just so so terrible to watch. If he started his traditional 4-3-3 am sure he could have picked many points expesially on poor teams like the Liverpool game. Just hope he has learnt.
@twograntan9285 Жыл бұрын
You could argue if viera deserved the sacked, what doesn’t make sense is to replace him with the man you sacked to appoint veira
@situn4377 Жыл бұрын
They won't be going back to a defensive manager, well that's exactly what they have done 😂
@leopreldakaj5313 Жыл бұрын
Scoring more goals in 3 games under Hodgson than in the last 14 games under Vieira
@RafiKhan-lf4gm Жыл бұрын
Why not do a follow up on what Roy changed. Main change was Roy went to a single pivot Doucoure with TWO players given attacking freedom. Front players were encouraged to express themselves. PV asked players to be brave but was NOT brave himself Too negative
@jason-xq6gc Жыл бұрын
In this day in age i would say RACISM.
@tyresewilson3901 Жыл бұрын
Btw i personally don’t agree with much being said because when you look at the teams they’ve played most of the games they should’ve either lost or drawn and tbh he’s players have also been suspect infront of goal which had they not this is a completely different story. They’ve lost to brighton, city, villa(probs should do better), united, chelsea, spurs, fulham. That’s since the turn of the new year so i don’t see what the issue has been i’m that regard and some of those had players taken chances it’s a different story. I don’t see why it’s being presented as if he was the biggest issue. And then when you look at the games they’ve drawn same story it’s very good/better teams which had his players been more responsible they win some. I think overall he was treated hardly considering they’re 12th
@pranavnair7112 Жыл бұрын
Isn't lower PPDA better? Lower passes allowed per tackle/interception etc. So according to your graph, they started this season really well trending low, but in recent games they are allowing much higher PPDA
@TheSurprisePizza Жыл бұрын
Check the y-axis on the graph - it's lower PPDA towards the top.
@PullThatUpJamie Жыл бұрын
God I hate when teams sack their manager prematurely
@mattvarner5825 Жыл бұрын
Palace are 5 points off the bottom of the table, what about this makes it premature?
@TomClarkSouthLondon Жыл бұрын
God I hate reading ridiculous comments . . Prematurely 🤫👎🏽
@aduad Жыл бұрын
@@mattvarner5825 bruh they are 12th...tell me which team above them you think they are better than and how many points Viera should have gotten to be safe?
@ay613 Жыл бұрын
@@aduad 4 points off the bottom
@mattvarner5825 Жыл бұрын
Apologies, you're now 4 points from the bottom of the table before kickoff today.
@Dd-ks2fm Жыл бұрын
Tbh edouard up front is a big risk. I'm a celtic fan and that guy downed tools so many times he is good when he wants to be. if we were in a more competitive league we would have been in trouble.
@PCampbell361 Жыл бұрын
Unrelated to the video itself but it's driving me mad that there's no number 7 shirt up on the wall so that it's a proper numerical sequence Won't Tifo please think about my poor OCD brain?!
@usmanrulezzz Жыл бұрын
Crystal Palace are not gonna bounce back against Arsenal. With Veira, they had a chance at least! Big mistake by the board and management of the club by sacking a manager who showed lots of potential!
@Chadhogan111 Жыл бұрын
If only every manager did his best, they'd win every game. No wait, it doesn't work like that does it.
@ayushapoorva Жыл бұрын
5:55 we will take revenge on our fallen legend!
@raymanLENG Жыл бұрын
absolute bollocks of a board, short term thinking, and they said they're gonna sign sam allardyce, this ppl in the club just don't have a plan at all, he barely even have a good squad. they forget how good PV was for them last season and for Nice.
@adhynugroho9424 Жыл бұрын
The harsh reality of European league football. No amount of trophies/results can save you if the board think the club is in threat of being relegated.
@niklasoffermanns9506 Жыл бұрын
Why would you sack your manager before having a replacement
@faultyexposition Жыл бұрын
Seems like last year they had Gallagher and this year they don't?
@rorrt Жыл бұрын
One could put the last season to Gallagher and a new manager bounce. We love him. I love him.. But the same happened under Pardew, we were flying! Then... The honeymoon is over... Then you're back to taking the bins out and unclogging the plughole. I think Benitez maybe isn't a bad idea.. I hope to christ they don't get Marsch, Lampard or Hassenhuttle.
@hithere9393 Жыл бұрын
Patrick Viera got sacked for having Palace 12th, after spending 42m. Graham Potter is still at Chelsea despite having them 10th, after spending 600m. Sums it up really
@itsinthetreesitscoming7431 Жыл бұрын
12th or 4 points off the bottom.....
@HelloThere-uh3ll Жыл бұрын
That doesn’t sum anything up 😂
@T.E.S.S. Жыл бұрын
That does not sum things up 😂
@mrwabbit9576 Жыл бұрын
Terrible football to watch. I really don't blame them. Most games they weren't even attempting to go for the win and often timewasted at 0-0 which was embarrassing
@BobbyDreamland Жыл бұрын
Any criticism of Vieira that doesn't include the schedule isn't providing enough context for the recent results. The rest of fixture list is the bottom 8 plus London derbies with Spurs and Fulham. Gives you a hint at who they have been playing...and kept clean sheets against Liverpool and Newcastle...score draw vs Man Utd followed by a one goal loss there. One goal loss to Man City. Gut punch 1-1 draw away to Brentford that Brentford snatched at the death when they were (and are) flying...Tough 1-0 loss away to Villa in a game that would have seen them pushing for midtable. 1-0 loss away to Brighton and it's the sack? There isn't even really a bad loss there unless you say Villa was that bad.... His Palace team would likely crush the rest of this schedule. Who knows what this next iteration will look like...
@leopreldakaj5313 Жыл бұрын
4-0 against Everton, 3-0 against Fulham, 1-0 against Nottingham, 1 win in 14 games, 4 goals in 2023, 0 shots in 3 games breaking the all time record. No game was winable with fraud Vieira, now without him they had 9 goals in 3 games, more than in 15 games under Vieira
@95kct19 Жыл бұрын
I think OGS could work for Crystal Palace
@thnom Жыл бұрын
Looked at remaining fixtures and mapped out average league position for bottom-12. Everton top this out, their average opponents league position is 9.10, followed by Wolves at 9.3. Bournemouth are second to last at 11.73. Palace are bottom with an average of 15.20! They play 13-20, and outside of those they play 9th and 11th. Think the fixture list has done Vieira out of a job.
@masongotmounted1247 Жыл бұрын
Mate we won Roy’s first game and played more “expansive” football than vieras ever played eze was a different player. If we played like that in the last 12 before that we would’ve won many of them games no matter how good the opposition was
@masongotmounted1247 Жыл бұрын
If you actually watched any of the games you’d realise the only games we didn’t deserve to lose were against Brentford and Liverpool that’s it and we didn’t win either
@FireFist217 Жыл бұрын
they could try marcelino from valencia
@chiefnkosi7705 Жыл бұрын
that guy is good. Perhaps too good for Palace.
@FireFist217 Жыл бұрын
@@chiefnkosi7705 in the summer maybe . PL clubs do have the money to intimidate people into accepting the job
@chiefnkosi7705 Жыл бұрын
@@FireFist217 the thing is, this time, the club didn't back Vieira enough. When I said too good I meant in the sense of backing him. Marcelino will prefer technical players, judging by what they did to Vieira I cannot see them going for many technical players to fill the holes in their squad. Couldn't get Gallagher back but still didn't replace him, no RB, midfield issues
@Hyndergogen9 Жыл бұрын
One thing I'm confused on is what constitutes a "defensive action" for the sake of PPDA? Is a standard definition, or is it more specific to the people doing the observations?
@domhuckle Жыл бұрын
I'm glad that Chelsea took Gallagher back, he's been crucial to Chelsea's success this year
@selgeaus Жыл бұрын
Chelsea is having a successful season?
@Nippleless_Cage Жыл бұрын
What sport do you watch, golf? Gallagher has been a fraction of the player he was at Palace. He should have moved there permanently where he would have been a star. Maybe if that happened, both clubs wouldn't be in this mess.
@chidi6394 Жыл бұрын
he was key for palace last season, that agression gallagher brought is no more there
@FEDEXLuchs Жыл бұрын
viera might wanna look at Tottenham more chance to play expansive football there
@JayDHCFC Жыл бұрын
Where do they go from here lads ?
@lewisreynolds5283 Жыл бұрын
To the championship
@opinionatortv6457 Жыл бұрын
@@lewisreynolds5283 To League One
@danofthesouth Жыл бұрын
@@lewisreynolds5283 or above Chelsea within a couple of weeks. Oh!
@mohammeddmalik Жыл бұрын
Ole would be perfect if you want to get relegated
@deepangshudas Жыл бұрын
With the likes of Odsonne Édouard and Jean-Philippe Mateta up front even managers like Johan Cruyff will get the sack...
@barnaclefelching4079 Жыл бұрын
Why why why Vieira, duddle duddle duddle do. He is still going to have a great career, I'm not sure what in, but 2 great careers is better than most humans manage in their lives
@Nippleless_Cage Жыл бұрын
I hope they get relegated to punish them for this scandalous decision. Also, I hope Vieira gets a job at a West Ham or something and gets that club into Europe. That'll show them 😂
@T.E.S.S. Жыл бұрын
lol at the idea of him getting a team into Europe
@lewisreynolds5283 Жыл бұрын
I don’t understand,,,, I think the palace board will regret this. You’re 12th RN? Since when is 12th not good enough for palace?
@commentarytalk1446 Жыл бұрын
The video does a good job of explaining the numbers and facts behind the decision and the trends that the team has fallen into. Changing those AHEAD of the more winnable remaining 11 fixtures 9 of which are against teams around the same points total is the rationale for sacking Viera: To boost performance and reduce risk of not achieving sufficient points. It's unlucky for Viera: Those fixtures should be more winnable... but he also did not help himself with his methods. Imho I have not seen enough of Eze in midfield creating and disrupting to feed for goal chances. Someone who's filling the void left by Gallagher.
@jonathana6943 Жыл бұрын
Thank You and look at the teams they had to play recently. They had to play liverpool, united twice, city, brentford, brighton, newcastle, liverpool, chelsea and villa. Realistically they should have lost every game apart from the villa won where they should have at least picked up a point. 12th is very good at this stage for them. The funny thing is that he wasn't even backed at all really in the window so I don't know what the board are expecting when they don't give him money to invest to make the team better because we all know how vital it is to have money in this day and age to compete. Context is very important and loads of people don't use it sadly.
@moderatemapper9440 Жыл бұрын
@@commentarytalk1446 The thing about those fixable becoming winnable and the risk by keeping vieira, there's two sides to it. You could say sacking Vieira was good so they could get a result from the games against Leeds and Southampton, but you can also say it's bad because any new manager won't have enough time to put their philosophy into the squad, especially if they're a manager like Ranieri or Benitez
@commentarytalk1446 Жыл бұрын
@@moderatemapper9440 Yeah that's the other side with respect to implementation, agree. However, it's a Risk-Analysis and doing something different is less risky even with the above complication, and the sooner to change the more time for a new manager to implement thing and change things and improve things hence the sacking now.
@lewisreynolds5283 Жыл бұрын
@@commentarytalk1446 they played the top 6 in a row basically mate if you’re surprised to see their stats drop off you don’t understand how statistics work I’m afraid
@withoutmalicexo Жыл бұрын
Why are you asking me?
@cliveinnofthe7th. Жыл бұрын
The players are already packing their buckets and spades ..
@redheadredemption1573 Жыл бұрын
Spoiler: It's because Palace are dumb and their transfer policy was abysmal
@lewisreynolds5283 Жыл бұрын
Spot on
@elingrome5853 Жыл бұрын
countdown to the "Footballs problematic hiring and firing practices" article in the Grauniad
@chiefnkosi7705 Жыл бұрын
West Ham, with the players they have and the way Vieira wants to play going forward (according to this video), seems to match up well with Patrick Vieira. They have the personnel for the style.
@Red__Law Жыл бұрын
Vieira did well to prove the doubters wrong after his appointment, can easily see this backfiring on Palace.
@TomClarkSouthLondon Жыл бұрын
So not winning 12 games on the bounce is proving the doubters wrong 🤫👎🏽
@Red__Law Жыл бұрын
@@TomClarkSouthLondon Ferguson went 13 games without a win and kept his job, and that was at Man United not Palace.
@TomClarkSouthLondon Жыл бұрын
@@Red__Law ridiculous comparison 👎🏽
@CardiacKatz Жыл бұрын
the next team to get vieira will be a coup, poor decision making from palace. mans only been given eduoard and doucoure in two seasons and one is a bust.
@TomClarkSouthLondon Жыл бұрын
Ridiculous comment 👎🏽
@dark1810 Жыл бұрын
im sure i know how the bbc will spin it for the next 6 months
@commentarytalk1446 Жыл бұрын
Yup. They'll ignore what Parish said, "It's a results-driven business" or what Tifo have concluded in this video, looking at the trends, stats and problems that lead to poorer performances. Imho, Viera did 2 things wrong: Both spotted in the video: 1. Not resolving losing Gallagher and thereby not playing Eze in midfield to create enough but benching him 2. Not adapting to how his players were playing early on or how results were feedbacking on his tactics. CP has the talent of players to get more, so imo they ended up under-performing instead of kicking on from last season and the basis built by Hodgson's reign. Palace are a great club imho so I would love to see the players, manager, club and supporters all do well in the EPL. They've got a good future but they have to make the best decisions and execute across the board.
@chiefnkosi7705 Жыл бұрын
@@commentarytalk1446 absolutely agree with the 1st point. The 2nd point, however, was covered a bit in this video and was shown to not have worked very well too. He tried being pragmatic which resulted in fewer goals scored which meant that they struggled to win any games. I'm not sure if they have enough talent to get more. Mateta, Ayew, and Edouard couldn't score in a brothel, fullback problem - can you really get more from Clyne?, you still have Schlupp, Milivojevic and McArthur in midfield - can you get more from them? You can see he was trying to evolve their style from the side that relied heavily from counter-attacks to an expansive side and from that squad you can only do that with the CB pair, Lokonga, and Doucoure, Olise, even Mitchel (though he's out of form), the unreliable Eze, Zaha. Hughes for the bench. To improve you have to evolve.
@commentarytalk1446 Жыл бұрын
@@chiefnkosi7705 Very sound arguments. Imho unbalanced team selection. Fundamentally teams need "workhorses" to aid the flair (x-factor) players. He should have used Eze more effectively. Agree that Mateta/Edouard have been part of the problem up front. Looking back Townsend, Puncheon et al. were all hard-working and would grab goals and take their chances... Maybe those signings were not good ones? Pleasure to read intelligent comments.
@johnlee5597 Жыл бұрын
What could they do? The fixture lists were..... Tottenham Chelsea United Newcastle United Brighton Brentford Liverpool ManCity Brighton. The only easier match is AWAY to Villa. any mid table team could get similar result as Palace with this shitty fixtures lol
@hedonismunderstands2469 Жыл бұрын
palace sack a gaffer to whom they give no tools - that's the headline... they squad now doesn't have explosive counter attacking skills, so no surprise we don't profit that way. yet we still sit back and wait for doomsday. we need ange postecoglu, but he won't leave the hoops for less than maybe spurs or chelsea and i don't blame him.
@russianweeb Жыл бұрын
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@helloweeny Жыл бұрын
I think are in contention for relegation, that squad is pretty terrible and a caretaker manager is going to struggle.
@cliveinnofthe7th. Жыл бұрын
He had to go . Poor run of results , lack of enthusiasm from players , obviously the coaching staff are not motivating the players .. they can't score and are now shipping goals ... I actually think viera has started losing interest in the whole project 😢
@phatbi971 Жыл бұрын
Big Mistake Sacking him.
@ANDeoband Жыл бұрын
Marcelo Bielsa
@rastoresashford660 Жыл бұрын
your talking rubbish it was vieira who was suffering from depression and he then made the whole team go down hill
@Benjamin_RX8_R3 Жыл бұрын
😂 Funny, most people that are commenting on this are Arsenal fans that probably have only watched palace play a full game twice this season. Then think they can give an informed opinion on the clubs decision to sack a manager that hasn’t won this year and hasn’t created a single shot on target for the last 3 games. 😂 Laughable really
@dhb24 Жыл бұрын
Patrick to psg?
@dominiclee5786 Жыл бұрын
Patrick Vieira sacked before going to play Aresnal. He was denied receiving the applause he rightfully deserved from Arsenal fans.
@itsinthetreesitscoming7431 Жыл бұрын
I doubt that was high on the Palace board's list of priorities.....
@ManLikeMatts Жыл бұрын
Viera got promoted ....to customer
@adamwhittaker9620 Жыл бұрын
So many delusional people here. Palace is one of the worst teams in the league because of Viera, not in spite of him.
@ragecandy Жыл бұрын
Who are they even getting this late in the season lol
@mujeebahmed7940 Жыл бұрын
Harsh sacking
@TomClarkSouthLondon Жыл бұрын
Not winning 12 games on the trot “Harsh reality” he is useless 👎🏽
@oufc90 Жыл бұрын
Cause Palace haven’t won a game this year and have barely scored a goal playing crap football and are now right in the mix to go down
@andrewb777 Жыл бұрын
I bet it’s because Vieira was going to let Arsenal win
@gordonfreeman9733 Жыл бұрын
I hope I am not the first to tell you that you’re retarded
@thejoshway764 Жыл бұрын
This Crystal Palace bloke thinking he knows better than Pat vieira is killing me 😂
@markant9534 Жыл бұрын
the coaching staff made his decisions
@TomClarkSouthLondon Жыл бұрын
Your pathetic comment from you is enough to kill a small country 🤫👎🏽
@antibebo Жыл бұрын
well no wins in 2023, no shots on target in 2023, least distance covered and least sprints in the leaguem, what was vieira getting right?
@danofthesouth Жыл бұрын
how about now?
@devanman7920 Жыл бұрын
The other guy who they brought in to speak seems so done with this crap haha
@chinaman1 Жыл бұрын
It's fine guys, he's going to Tottenham after this.
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