Why Darth Vader COULD NOT Use Force Lightning But Darth Malgus COULD

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Vader's Fortress 2

Vader's Fortress 2

2 жыл бұрын

Why Darth Malgus Could Use Force Lightning But Darth Vader Could Not.
Force lightning was one of the most powerful force abilities, reserved only for the most powerful Sith Lords. Force lightning drew heavily upon the dark side, most notably pure hatred. Vader was filled with nothing but hatred and at least in canon, was one of the only force users with the potential to use force lightnings most powerful variation, red force lightning. Despite this crazy amount of potential, Vader never used force lightning. However, the Darth Vader of the Old Republic era, Darth Malgus, was extremely proficient with force lightning, despite also requiring a cybernetic suit to survive. Malgus was even able to use force maelstrom, an extremely dangerous variation of force lighning similar to the force lightning bomb ability used by starkiller. So how come Malgus could use force lightning while Vader could not? This video will first explore all the reasons why Vader could not use force lightning, before explaining why Malgus did not suffer from the same weaknesses.
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But before we start, a little disclaimer because I know there will be loads of comments about it if I dont mention it first. There were a few times where Vader might have used force lightning, although I would argue that he didn’t. in canon, Vader was seen using something very similar to force lightning when he bled his kyber crystal. However, this action very nearly kills him and I would argue that it was just the energy from the bleeding process. In legends, we see him use a similar ability called Kenetite. However, this wan’t actually force lightning, but kinetic force energy. This is not channelled through the body like force lightning but rather is created remotely outside of the body, with the dark lord only really able to do this due to the effects of the Kaiburr crystal.
So with that out of the way, why didn't Vader use force lightning? Well it certainly wasn't because he couldn't use it. As already mentioned, in canon Vader had the potential to wield red force lightning, the most powerful form of force lightning that not even Palpatine could master. However, as we know Vader never reached his potential thanks to his little accident on mustafar. Force lightning needed to be channeled through living flesh before being discharged through the fingers. After the events of mustafar, Vader no longer had limbs, therefore preventing him from channelling and dischartging the energy effectively. However this wasn’t the main reason. Palpatine purposely didn’t give Vader a state of the art suit. In fact, it was pretty outdated. This made it highly susceptible to force lightning and therefore making him far easier for the Emperor to control. As we saw in Return of the Jedi, just a short burst of force lightning was enough to fry his life support and kill him, showing just how dangerous this ability was to him. If Vader had tried to channel force lightning, it would likely have done more damage to himself than his opponent.
So why could Malgus use force lightning? Afterall, he also relied upon a cybernetic suit to survive. Again, there are a few reasons. Malgus’ injuries were far less dramatic than Vaders. Therefore his cybernetics did not encompass sso much of his body. It was said that over 50% of Vaders body was machine, significantly more than Malgus. As Malgus still had more of his organic flesh, most importantly his arms, he was able to channel the lightning more effectively.
Despite living almost 4000 years before Vader, his cybernetics were far more sophisticated. As we discussed earlier, Vader was deliberately weakened by Palpatine to make him easier to control. Malgus did not have this issue and was able to get his hands on a state of the art cybernetoic asuit which was likely insulated from force lightning. Whats more, Malgus was likely more well trained in the mysteries of the force than Vader. He has been seen using force maelstrom as well as tutaminis, suggesting a degree of control over the ability matched by very few. Tutaminis is the ability most famously used by Granbd Master Yoda to absorb force lightning, while force maelstrom was essentially a violent burst of lightning energy, requiring immense control and skill. This degree of control over force lightning likely allowed him to keep lightning away from any sensitive electronics in his life support system. Vader was never taught how to control force lightning, as this would have posed a threat to Palpatine.
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@VadersFortress2
@VadersFortress2 2 жыл бұрын
If you want me to make more longer videos like this one, make sure to like, subscribe, comment and watch until the end for the KZfaq algorithm! I appreciate all of you 😊 May the force be with you!
@kaiserv88
@kaiserv88 2 жыл бұрын
Could you maybe do a 10min+ video?
@VadersFortress
@VadersFortress 2 жыл бұрын
@@kaiserv88 Definitely, I've done a few on this channel but I want to do more longer videos
@classienflink2620
@classienflink2620 Жыл бұрын
i Love watching vader' fortress2❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤🎉🎉
@TheShadow14150
@TheShadow14150 9 ай бұрын
Vader says he finds your lack of faith disturbing
@lanesmith1465
@lanesmith1465 2 жыл бұрын
Here's a shorter explanation. Lightning is channeled through living tissue. Vader had to have his limbs replaced, the energy would have gone from the stump of his arm into the cybernetics. Malgus only had to have his limbs reniforced and noting blocked the energies escape.
@georgercop
@georgercop 2 жыл бұрын
This is something that was noted in the ROTS novel - that Palpatine would never be able to teach Vader to cast force lightning because he had lost his remaining organic arm, as force lightning requires fleshy fingers to cast
@minicle426
@minicle426 2 жыл бұрын
Kind of a shame we never got to see Anakin's potential fully mastered. There's an Infinities waiting to happen.
@agabe3104
@agabe3104 Жыл бұрын
Look at Legends Luke, there you go. Luke has the same potential as Anakin, confirmed by George himself. Legends Luke is what Anakin could've been.
@PotatoBread-nz5gv
@PotatoBread-nz5gv Жыл бұрын
@@agabe3104 Anakin would’ve been much more than Luke. The dark side is strong in him and if, he had mastered the light and dark then he would’ve dwarf Luke and other gods in Star Wars.
@Mediados
@Mediados 2 жыл бұрын
I think the "Disorder" cinematic really shows how strong in the Force Malgus really is. That was some Sidious lightning shit right there, and he has the physical force of a mountain.
@afroduckaka4pf593
@afroduckaka4pf593 2 жыл бұрын
I lovedddd that trailer!
@allknowingfreddybear9291
@allknowingfreddybear9291 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love Malgus I just hate how dirty they do him in the games. He just keeps getting smacked around by the plot armor.
@Mediados
@Mediados 2 жыл бұрын
@@allknowingfreddybear9291 And he still gets up everytime even though he fights the plot XD
@biankaw.4033
@biankaw.4033 2 жыл бұрын
2:06 love how you call getting cut off your limbs by your friend and former master and then being left to die on a lava planet "a little accident"
@SITH_CHAMP
@SITH_CHAMP 2 жыл бұрын
This Is Quickly becoming my favorite Starwars channel
@VadersFortress2
@VadersFortress2 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! 😊
@whoareyou98
@whoareyou98 2 жыл бұрын
@@VadersFortress2 Me too
@joshuamarquez693
@joshuamarquez693 2 жыл бұрын
By far the best
@whoareyou98
@whoareyou98 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshuamarquez693 Words of truth
@mrbody1629
@mrbody1629 Жыл бұрын
There are others? Jk
@jrrizzy5579
@jrrizzy5579 2 жыл бұрын
I’m so sad he couldn’t tap into his force lightning. Vader was already such a badass but to see him use RED force lightning would just be so awesome.
@allknowingfreddybear9291
@allknowingfreddybear9291 2 жыл бұрын
He said he possibly had the potential not that actually could or would.
@jrrizzy5579
@jrrizzy5579 2 жыл бұрын
@@allknowingfreddybear9291 whether it was red or not vader with force lightning would be cool
@jovialbat1636
@jovialbat1636 2 жыл бұрын
You should do a longer video about the different variations on force lightning like red force lightning and electric justice
@swbattlefrontnoob
@swbattlefrontnoob 2 жыл бұрын
Please make videos on the different variations of force lightning, I'd love to see those videos!
@VadersFortress2
@VadersFortress2 2 жыл бұрын
Already have! 😊
@justgaming124
@justgaming124 2 жыл бұрын
I didn’t even know there were other variations, you teach so much good Star Wars lore, thanks and keep it up!
@johnprudent3216
@johnprudent3216 Жыл бұрын
“His LITTLE accident on Mustafar” he said lolol
@EthanFrowen
@EthanFrowen 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video buddy
@sheevpalpatine2128
@sheevpalpatine2128 2 жыл бұрын
Always love longer videos, congrats on the second channel M8 im sure it will be as great as the first.
@Mr.Manta5988
@Mr.Manta5988 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, very please make an in-depth video on force lightning and it's variations
@youtubescockrochpsimwatchi6182
@youtubescockrochpsimwatchi6182 2 жыл бұрын
These videos are so interesting shines a whole new life on star wars so so so ready for the longer videos and the one about the red force lightning
@Cursed-blade
@Cursed-blade 2 жыл бұрын
Great video
@tiotha1279
@tiotha1279 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see a video about Force Lightning and its variants. There was even a Jedi Variant for Force Lightning
@thebelow9117
@thebelow9117 2 жыл бұрын
In-depth video on everything please! 😉 👍
@Bornloserstrongheart
@Bornloserstrongheart 2 жыл бұрын
I love all your videos
@kevinkerr333
@kevinkerr333 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I fully agree with your offer to speak more about Force lightening. Albeit that it's a dark Force ability, I would like to know just how powerful it is used by a practitioner truly skilled in the dark Force. I know that Yoda had the ability to use a light side version of Force lightening; could you show how Yoda was able to use this technique?
@deogratiusgitarda
@deogratiusgitarda 2 жыл бұрын
A video of force lighting please. Different kinds(colours), power levels, counterattacks and so forth.
@way2spooky4u50
@way2spooky4u50 2 ай бұрын
I would love to watch a playlist about different Force Powers and the philosophies behind their use and creation.
@Engine33Truck
@Engine33Truck 2 жыл бұрын
Force lightning is my favorite Force power. I’m definitely in favor of you doing a video dedicated to it
@justsomeguy7712
@justsomeguy7712 2 жыл бұрын
I really wanna see the old republic Jedi and sith
@lucaswiseman1259
@lucaswiseman1259 2 жыл бұрын
I'd like a video exploring the different kinds of force lightning.
@purplegion
@purplegion 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure I read somewhere recently about Vader using force lightening.. 🤔 Love your videos btw 😁
@future2322
@future2322 Жыл бұрын
Yep, Dark Dimension Vader used Red lightning and killed his master with it, but this was in legends
@ajnn5127
@ajnn5127 Жыл бұрын
@@future2322 no it's canon lol
@joeaquilino19
@joeaquilino19 2 жыл бұрын
I'm gunna say yes to that red lighting vid
@thesharkpenguin
@thesharkpenguin 2 жыл бұрын
Man by now you have a lot of channels now lol
@thekingofcookies4877
@thekingofcookies4877 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see Star Wars take a page from Marvel and make a one off "What if?" series.
@momsspaghetti7719
@momsspaghetti7719 Жыл бұрын
What are these cutscenes from which games or movies
@b.johnathanwarriorinagarde7980
@b.johnathanwarriorinagarde7980 2 жыл бұрын
Red lightning please. It's so cool "pure cosmic heat" It really shows the levels of the lighting but black is supposed to be better right? One day, I hope they make a canon character with a black blade and black lightning as well.
@PotatoKernels
@PotatoKernels 2 жыл бұрын
Debatable, since red lightning was used by the son the literal manifestation of the dark side so he has the most dark side power and knowledge so it should bethe strongest. But black lightning is also a very powerful variant. In theory red should be more powerful since the son the embodiment of the dark side uses it
@richardalmond97
@richardalmond97 Жыл бұрын
How about a black blade with red lightning coming out of it
@boiledegggaming8424
@boiledegggaming8424 Жыл бұрын
I can imagine that force lightning would be a sort of hail Mary for Vader, if he knows he is about to die he could just zap his opponent and not really have to worry about the death effect
@jamesmee7283
@jamesmee7283 2 жыл бұрын
I love to May the force be with you part
@AlexStandard
@AlexStandard Жыл бұрын
I'm glad, that not every sith uses the same abilities. I mean, not every wizard in Fantasy knows the same spells. I like that simple explanation. Why didn't he use force lightning? Because he didn't learned that ability.
@justaplayer2250
@justaplayer2250 2 жыл бұрын
I remember that in force unleashed 2 vader can redirect lightining from eletrical stations
@randyjohnson8262
@randyjohnson8262 2 жыл бұрын
Vader's finisher in Star Wars masters of Terri casa for PS1 was force lightning.
@liamrymer665
@liamrymer665 Жыл бұрын
When searching for an explanation on why Vader didn't use force lightening I was thinking it was because Sidious knew how powerful Anakin would be if he had this ability. It shows how Sidious was playing the long game in choosing Dooku to be his second and revealing to him the secrets of sith lightening but holding out till Anakin became strong enough to take over. He never feared Dooku. Probably because of Dooku's arrogance.
@icecream6559
@icecream6559 Жыл бұрын
"little accident"🤣
@random_gamer_guy82
@random_gamer_guy82 10 ай бұрын
Definitely my favourite StarWars youtuber!!! No bs no daft messing around.... Pure goodness unlike sidious 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼🤣🤣🤣
@VadersFortress2
@VadersFortress2 10 ай бұрын
Thanks mate
@benmalouf2699
@benmalouf2699 Жыл бұрын
Gonna have to be more cautious about falling into the late night Star Wars lore k hole
@LaloSillymanca
@LaloSillymanca 2 жыл бұрын
Ohh daddy Malgus
@darthnexus9570
@darthnexus9570 2 жыл бұрын
Red force lightning please...
@kitt3422
@kitt3422 2 жыл бұрын
I want the darth vader video!
@_Methhead_
@_Methhead_ 2 жыл бұрын
Sheeeeesh
@Tysandifer
@Tysandifer 2 жыл бұрын
Yea one was a dude completely covered in metal and the other just had a respirator.... Not exactly something that takes more than 4 seconds to see and figure out
@Saint092
@Saint092 Жыл бұрын
Oh my wat am I doing
@aleNoyz91
@aleNoyz91 Жыл бұрын
why he dont upgrade his suit and killed palps bba
@MataNui.
@MataNui. 2 жыл бұрын
I figured it was because he'd fry his life support if he tried.
@Rytoast99
@Rytoast99 Жыл бұрын
I feel like vader just enjoyed force choke and slaying people with his lightsaber to use force abilities like lightning
@nlia7725
@nlia7725 7 ай бұрын
So would Vader be able to use lightning if he had a different suit?
@krrishghosh4016
@krrishghosh4016 2 жыл бұрын
👀
@ethanwallace5348
@ethanwallace5348 Жыл бұрын
I still want the COUNT DOOKU LIGHTSABER please if I win I'll be so happy
@kenjoseph6603
@kenjoseph6603 Жыл бұрын
Malgus only had a respirator not a suit
@Saint092
@Saint092 Жыл бұрын
My ideal lightsaber would be mace windu’s lightsaber. I feel like as one of the few main black characters in stars it always gave me someone I could see myself in when I was younger look up to. he is portrayed as powerful, intelligent and has a dark side that that he controls with discipline. #giveaway #myfirstsaber #macewindu.
@markaitkenguitar
@markaitkenguitar Жыл бұрын
It would be cool if only the sith master could do lightning. And they acquired the skill by killing their previous master.
@sandwhich14
@sandwhich14 2 жыл бұрын
Plot
@ae-ch2ft
@ae-ch2ft Жыл бұрын
Here's the thing he can use it but it will it will heavily damage his suit
@someguyneon
@someguyneon Жыл бұрын
Not too familiar with starwars but why was the guy wearing a mask over his mouth, the bald guy?
@RezistX
@RezistX 2 жыл бұрын
discord server when?!?@?
@themissingpeace7956
@themissingpeace7956 2 жыл бұрын
Simple answer: Vader lost his real arms.
@mikaelmyers6135
@mikaelmyers6135 Жыл бұрын
And Palpatine is a dick.
@richardalmond97
@richardalmond97 Жыл бұрын
RED FORCE LIGHTING
@zacharynewcomb6382
@zacharynewcomb6382 Жыл бұрын
The Chad Siths of past: I'm gonna take an apprentice, teach them, and one day, they're gonna outperform me. As every child should, and the sith will be better for it. The Virgin darth Sideous: I'm gonna hamper my students potential, and kill him if he ever gets more powerful than me, ensuring a perpetually weakening Sith order.
@tripwire6306
@tripwire6306 2 жыл бұрын
Rubbish. The entire idea that Vader could not channel the Force through his cybernetics is laughable, check Force Choke and the degree of finesse required not to squeeze too tightly before the threat takes hold. Secondly physics, lightning and metals get along fine. That FL would adversely effect Vader is true, but not for the reasons given, Vader could easily direct the lightning outwards towards his intended target as his master does. The real reason Vader doesn't use lightning is answered in Revenge. Palpatine uses FL against Windu. Now to make a normal inhabitant of our fave galaxy takes less power. For Jedi and Sith opponents the amount of force power required to attempt to overwhelm any defences is greater. We see the effect this has on Palpatine. Now Sheev is the Emperor, his front line fighting is minimal as he's the brains sweetheart. Vader, his primary purpose is the destruction of the Jedi during and post Order66, period. After Mustafar, Anakin's fleshy bits are a tad depleted, the corruptive effects of FL upon his remains would be exponentially raised. This is why Vader does not use lightning. He could, but his militant role and therefore his usefulness would be swiftly diminished, his Master has had other Sith that he cast aside and Anakin isn't stupid.
@davep3786
@davep3786 4 ай бұрын
not until recent canon, (and i think its mostly internet head canon)..has the amount of limbs you have or you midichlorian count,, factored at all the ability to use force lightning . given that logic , Yoda would not have been able to repel for lightning AND throw it back at Sidious(judge him by his size do you ?) because he's only got a human torso's worth of midichlorians ..lol also the idea that force lightning has to flow through your limbs is silly , listen again to yoda .. "this crude matter, we are not .""luminous beings are we . the lightning is coming from the living force within that being .. how it is channeled is up to the force being . me , personally i don't think it was PHYSICAL inability .. i think darth vader quite obviously ,,had suffering from mental illness ..the transformation to his current state was ultra traumatic, ..stack on top that , palpi's daily abuses , his own failings , his anger ... .....his depression i believe never reached his full potential because he lost the will even with all of his schemes and plans ..i think in his heart of hearts , vader had accepted his place mentally as the galaxy's no.2 until luke ...
@MorganMalfoy13
@MorganMalfoy13 Жыл бұрын
And there was that whole plot point of Vader not being 100% evil. Just 99.9998%. So. That might be the reason George Lucas didn't have him use it.
@rogueshadow7826
@rogueshadow7826 2 жыл бұрын
This whole video is incorrect. Vader could use Force Lightning in the form of kinitete. He used it against Luke in the novel Shadows of Mindor.
@ArmouredProductions
@ArmouredProductions 2 жыл бұрын
Did you watch the video? He mentions the Kinitete
@darthmalgus5378
@darthmalgus5378 2 жыл бұрын
I could cause I was more chad
@GeoEmperor-
@GeoEmperor- 2 жыл бұрын
Execute 66 Likes
@darthzifdar7384
@darthzifdar7384 Жыл бұрын
Starkiller is not canon. It's such a stupid idea
@williamphillips2671
@williamphillips2671 Жыл бұрын
Lol this video sucks. Takes over 3.5 minutes to say what’s obvious if you’re fan. He didn’t have much organic body and only half His arms so duh
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