Why Did the Elves and Dwarves Dislike One Another? Middle-earth Explained

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The Elves and Dwarves are two major kindreds within Tolkien’s works, but they often come into conflict with one other over the history of Middle-earth. Thank you all so much for watching, let me know your thoughts about the relationship between these two kindreds in the comments below! As always, a great thanks to the online artists whose visual works made this video possible! If you are one of the artists, please let me know and I will post your name and a link to your work in this description!
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@orrointhewise3913 5 жыл бұрын

“Who thought I’d die fighting side by side with an elf” “What about side by side with a friend?” “Aye....I can do that” 🤝❤️

@orionofodyssey7271 5 жыл бұрын

Nelson Salmeron Aye

@-agrocupcake-1231 5 жыл бұрын

thats a movie quote... smh

@fernandonavia8804 5 жыл бұрын

Best bromance ever :')

@yiprajosie085 5 жыл бұрын

@@-agrocupcake-1231 And?..

@christopherchuauhang4829 4 жыл бұрын

- AgroCupcake - brace yourselves here comes the I have read the books and the movies suck guy.

@aeronothis5420 5 жыл бұрын

I would love to know what Gimli's reaction would have been when he met Aule in the undying lands, because I believe it most certain that Aule would have been overjoyed to know that one of his children had made it there.

@gmansard641 3 жыл бұрын

I made a similar comment on another video, how Aule would lead Gimli to Mandos to await Dagor Dagorath and the remaking of Arda.

@thehillbillygamer2183 2 жыл бұрын

The good people in Nova grad know how to take care of non-humans the wisdom of the Church of the eternal fire is clear

@thehillbillygamer2183 2 жыл бұрын

I thought the ancient elves love nature I figured they'd be vegetarian or something why would they hunt animals I mean they were a primitive society by today's standards

@tylersoto7465 2 жыл бұрын

Especially that erabor had 91 trillion dollars worth of gold in it and that's just the gold , with the silver and gems etc probably worth 2.5x that together lol

@Blobby2468 7 ай бұрын

@@thehillbillygamer2183 Elves still ate meat like the other races of Arda, there are numerous references to meats present on an Elf's dining table throughout Tolkien's work. The Lay of the Children of Hurin, present on Thingol's table: "goodly meats there burdened the boards-" The Hobbit, chapter 8, Flies and Spiders: "they were eating and drinking and laughing merrily. The smell of the roast meats was so enchanting that-"

@technologic21 5 жыл бұрын

The Elves viewed themselves as the Children of Iluvatar. They viewed the dwarves as the creation of Alue, and were the 'adopted' ones.

@sunwukong6897 5 жыл бұрын

Also originally the creation of the Dwarves was sort of blasphemous of Aulë, as Ilúvatar intended for the Eldar to be the first children to awake, but the Dwarves were made by Aulë first.

@fernandonavia8804 5 жыл бұрын

@@jkosch not so much of a bias but the original creation that Ilúvatar had in mind, each race with their own fate and objectives. I love Dwarfs with passion, but they were created without any purpouse, goal or fate

@georgiosFreeman 4 жыл бұрын

@@sunwukong6897 "It was, however, not within Aulë's power to create life. After being reprimanded by Ilúvatar and realizing his error, Aulë offered his creations to his father to do with as he would, including their destruction. Even as the offer was made, Ilúvatar accepted and gave the Dwarves a life of their own. So when Aulë picked up a great hammer to smite the Seven Fathers and destroy his presumptuous creations, they shrank back in fear and begged for mercy. Ilúvatar was however not willing to suffer that the Dwarves should come before the Firstborn (Elves), and he decreed that the Seven Fathers should sleep underground and should not come forth until the Firstborn had awakened." from Silmarillion

@tylersoto7465 3 жыл бұрын

Aule made better creation than iluvatar lol

@Nelo_Wolf 5 жыл бұрын

*The beginning of bad blood and it all had to do with jewelry*

@kyomademon453 5 жыл бұрын

Well, theres also the part where elves hunted them for sport when they arrived in middle earth because they thought dwarves were foul creatures

@Nelo_Wolf 5 жыл бұрын

But a jewel was that broken up the friendship entirely

@kyomademon453 5 жыл бұрын

@hunter christensen not for food, elves did not eat dwarves, they hunted them because they considered them ugly

@timonsolus 5 жыл бұрын

Nelo Wolf : No, not for jewellery - for the Silmaril - which like the other two still in Morgoth’s Iron crown, had been cursed by Feanor. It would engender greed and hatred in the hearts of any who looked upon it, save those of purest thought and selfless deed. Only people like Beren, Luthien, Dior, Eárendil etc could look upon a Silmaril without being corrupted by it.

@timonsolus 5 жыл бұрын

ManOhMan : The Green Elves of Ossiriand had been nearly exterminated by the Orcs, and were so traumatised that they feared and distrusted any who were not Elves, and would attack any non-Elf who entered their lands. The Petty Dwarves must have looked like a new breed of Orc to them.

@sharonsartisticcorner1195 5 жыл бұрын

The elves were jealous of the beards. BOOM. (Cirdain doesn't count)

@orman28 5 жыл бұрын

Sharon's Artistic Corner don’t forget Tanis Half-Elven

@sharonsartisticcorner1195 5 жыл бұрын

@@orman28 Wait....who?? Never heard of them

@aleksander8497 5 жыл бұрын

I didn't realize Cirdan had a beard

@sharonsartisticcorner1195 5 жыл бұрын

@@aleksander8497 he does, surprisingly. The only elf in the lore to explicitly be mentioned as bearded

@ericanderson4801 4 жыл бұрын

Why Cirdain was "old and bearded" has never been explained. Tolkien made a few such logical slips here and there. I don't bother trying to explain it. It gives me a headache.

@Theo_Caro 5 жыл бұрын

"Click the like button, Men of the West!" -Aragorn, probably

@jacksonh6797 5 жыл бұрын

lol

@T.GLongstaff 2 жыл бұрын

🤣 🤣 that’s great

@orangexlightning 5 жыл бұрын

Nothing quite like a Sunday evening Men of the West video. Always love hearing these tales of the Legendarium and of the Professor himself. :)

@mangot589 4 жыл бұрын

OrangeLightning Agree. I kick it, and stream it onto my 📺. Then one leads to another.....

@marionbaggins 5 жыл бұрын

I enjoy the relationships between Legolas and Gimli! The counting killing games was in the books... Thanks for the Elves and Dwarves!!! Marion Baggins Out!!!

@aleksander8497 5 жыл бұрын

They overdid the kill count in the films.

@T.GLongstaff 2 жыл бұрын

Are you related to the Sackville-Baggins?

@marionbaggins 2 жыл бұрын

@@T.GLongstaff No me, I related to Frodo and Bilbo!

@andreapasqua8639 5 жыл бұрын

And to think I thought it had to do with Elves calling up the radio stations in Dwarven lands requesting Short People by Randy Newman.

@saysHotdogs 4 жыл бұрын

Got dammit 😂

@mattydaddy7672 3 жыл бұрын

That would certainly do it I'd say

@tylersoto7465 3 жыл бұрын

LMAO 😂

@Fan_Made_Videos 5 жыл бұрын

I remember reading about the Battle of a thousand caves and kinda laughed at the idea of stunted people outmatching the tall beautiful elf warriors. Those were some badass dwarves back then.

@HitenLighthearth 4 жыл бұрын

Have you seen the extended edition of the hobbit movies? In the third one extended they actually fight and dayum the dwarves know how to counter some of the elf stuff.

@Darkdaej Жыл бұрын

@@HitenLighthearth Yeah and Dain kills orcs with headbutts...Those films were a disaster...

@MenoftheWest 5 жыл бұрын

Hey, I hope you all enjoyed the video! There is a slight misspelling of Nírnaeth Arnoediad in the annotation at 4:44- 4:48. Sorry about that! Thanks to Sam Whalen for pointing that out!

@keyboarddancers7751 5 жыл бұрын

Dude, you apologise to no-one!

@davidchicoine6949 4 жыл бұрын

are you fluent in klingon too ?! ;)

@Damnationization 4 жыл бұрын

Could you do a video on the magic items of Middle Earth and what they did. TY. :)

@Badboyben1422 5 жыл бұрын

"All would pay homage to Thror, even the great Elven King Thranduil. As the great wealth of the Dwarves grew, their store of goodwill ran thin. No one knows exactly what began the rift. The Elves say the Dwarves, stole their treasure. The Dwarves tell another tale, they say the Elf King refused to give them their rightful pay. It is sad how old alliances can be broken, how friendships between people can be lost... and for what?"

@kyomademon453 5 жыл бұрын

But in the books thranduil didnt payed homage to the dwarves, im not sure they even had relationships with erebor before smaug, if i recall in the books says he built his halls with the aid of dwarves from the north or something like that

@jamescunningham4268 4 жыл бұрын

For story arcs

@Sakuradragon639 5 жыл бұрын

I love both these races! I've always wanted to know why they are so opposed. I was always fond of their desire for gems as well

@ericanderson4801 4 жыл бұрын

From the beginning the Elves held the Dwarves in contempt, considering them "unlovely" and "uncouth." The elvish word "Naugrim" means "The Stunted People." Not very polite. Relations were further poisoned by several incidents, not least of which was the death of King Thingol at the hands of dwarves. The Dwarves themselves tended to be more than a little stand-offish, and had a culture and tradition that was alien and mysterious to their neighbors. It's worth noting that the Jews were Tolkien's inspiration for the Dwarves, at least in terms of their "wandering", and their "foreign" nature. What little of the Dwarvish language we know is based on Hebrew. The presence of the Dwarves in the West is analogous to that of Jews in western Europe. (I'm not making this up. Tolkien explicitly said that his idea of the Dwarves, though originally based on Scandinavian legend, was eventually heavily influence by the history of the Hebrew people. Not that the Dwarves were Jews, of course, but once you understand Tolkien's thinking you can see a lot of parallels.)

@elijahcaudle7365 4 жыл бұрын

I laugh that the elves dont mention their...cousins

@robdeskrd 3 жыл бұрын

What dwarves killed Thingol?

@re9498 3 жыл бұрын

Yet, we see a lot of Hebraic inspiration for Numenor, as well. Adunaic is based off of Hebrew, there’s a holy mount where the high priest goes up to speak to God and so on. I’m curious what other peoples or aspects were influenced by the stories of the Israelites and Hebrew faith.

@zuthula3847 2 жыл бұрын

Based elves

@Alex-hb8cn 4 жыл бұрын

How much you wanna bet that Morgoth laughed his ass off when he learned of the wars between the elves and dwarves?

@thevoidlookspretty7079 5 жыл бұрын

This is why Hobbits needed to exist in the First Age. They’d be there to say, “I know I’m just a hobbit, but you’re the most powerful and wisest people on the planet, so stop killing each other over a STUPID NECKLACE!”

@Gwilfawe 5 жыл бұрын

Inspired my question- Which desire do you think is greater, that which dwarves have over geologic riches, or the coveting of mushrooms with which hobbits are stricken?

@hoo7797 4 жыл бұрын

Dwarves love gemstones, precious metals and other riches that are hidden underneath the earth with a burning passion, that is indeed true; but the sudden desire that a Hobbit experiences when they see mushrooms cannot be meassured.

@tylersoto7465 3 жыл бұрын

Lol both

@ian1464 5 жыл бұрын

I know that he is a side character but I'd like you to cover Eomer

@mangot589 4 жыл бұрын

Ian Blanchard I wouldn’t call him a side character🤔.

@gee7295 4 жыл бұрын

Ian Blanchard also faramir or haldir perhaps?

@ladyalaina42 4 жыл бұрын

Eomer became the King of Rohan. No side character.

@T.GLongstaff 2 жыл бұрын

He’s my favorite character in lord of the rings.

@jimharris2886 5 жыл бұрын

Another great video. Always enjoyed how Tolkien brought distrust into trust if not even of friendship.

@leonievw2466 5 жыл бұрын

Haha, I love reading the comments and see that even after the video there is a discussion about who is most to blame :) We will never know I guess 😂

@jarlbalgruuf7701 5 жыл бұрын

I’m always keen for your weekly middle earth videos

@ShifuP 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for creating such fantastic content on Middle Earth. I have enjoyed everything that you have created and are showing them now to my children.

@pernelladams448 5 жыл бұрын

“Never thought I’d die side by side with an elf” “What about side by side with a friend” “...aye I can do that”

@joerod3396 5 жыл бұрын

Eru said when he adopted the dwarves “often strife shall arise between thine and mine” so it seems like it was bound to be

@chevin0 5 жыл бұрын

Great video Yoystan! Also that tease at the end, I spit my drink because that sure sounds like something about the Amazon show to me!!!

@colin2116 3 жыл бұрын

I really like you presentation style, the annunciation and neutral tone. Pretty good audio quality too. Subbed!

@leonievw2466 5 жыл бұрын

Ahhh, the best way to wake up on a monday morning is with a video of Yoystan 😉

@mauramahon7685 5 жыл бұрын

How coincidental! I was wondering why the elves and dwarves dislike each other. Great video as always!

@jamil3286 4 жыл бұрын

I'm really quite tired right now, so when I seen the title I read it as 'why did Elvis and the Dwarves dislike one another'. I must say the video wasn't quite what I expected but it was good none the less.

@Ivan_Glamdryng 5 жыл бұрын

You always make a great video! I do have a complaint tonight. Listening through my speakers the volume was a little low. Through my headphones it was good. Just a heads up so maybe next one would be a little louder. The commercials were at normal levels. Thank you for making these videos!

@tomselby24 4 жыл бұрын

your channel is so great dude keep it up!

@kenobi5230 5 жыл бұрын

Great video as always. Love this topic. I’m ready for the next settlements video. I really enjoyed the last. I hope to soon be getting the White Tree of Gondor hoody. Love the videos keep up the amazing work. 👌👌👍👌👍🤴

@mangot589 4 жыл бұрын

Fëanáro Curufinwë What hoodie? I want one! I have a Tree sticker on my car, but I NEED a hoodie😩.

@sunwukong6897 5 жыл бұрын

4:48 just for future reference, it’s (Nírnaeth) Arnoediad or Arnœdiad. Great video though. These are always the second highlight of my Sunday besides GOT.

@elijahcaudle7365 4 жыл бұрын

Not to be that guy: siding with dwarves purely on the fact they probably could do cooler stuff craftmanship wise

@HitenLighthearth 4 жыл бұрын

Dwarves ftw.

@tylersoto7465 3 жыл бұрын

Amen dwarves all the way lol

@shadowhunter_ray_9640 3 жыл бұрын

@@HitenLighthearth Hell nah. The dwarfes were just greedy. They wanted the silmarill, even it was not their work. If they just made the nauglamir with another gem, they would have leave it by the elves. Soo, i blame the dwarves for it. They even lied as they went home. They just said, that the elves did not want to pay them. And thats totally a lie. The dwarfes killed an elven king and a full city of elves because of their greed for the silmarill.

@Idciydhmb 2 жыл бұрын

@@shadowhunter_ray_9640 honestly I mean you killed a elvish king in his own kingdom in a time of peace literally just cause you wanted what he had, that’s nothing you just forgive and forget.

@Arthog627 4 жыл бұрын

Love your videos, man!

@MenoftheWest 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, my friend! I appreciate you and your support!

@riamanobody6338 5 жыл бұрын

YES, a new video, i have been sooooo bored because i had watched every single one of you videos in the last week 😂

@SuperMrGilles 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome vid man! Keep it up :)

@sakikyuCC_ 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Nice video as always! this might be out of topic, but I wonder if you would considering to put English text subtitles for the sake of non-english speaker?

@jazeroth322 5 жыл бұрын

As always a fantastic episode

@chrisvanschothorst8075 5 жыл бұрын

8:38 legolas' smile is insane

@lorenzsabbaer7725 5 жыл бұрын

great job as usual

@blaisevillaume2225 4 жыл бұрын

7:35 In Fellowship of the Ring an elf in Rivendell says he cannot tell what parts of a song were written by Bilbo and what parts were written by Aragorn. This is complicated because it turns out Bilbo wrote the whole song, but the way the elf speaks suggests he wouldn't have expected to be able to tell the difference between mortal writers even if there was one. He says plainly that elves don't spend much time considering mortals. So if they see the differences between a man and a hobbit as negligible they probably see the differences between breeds of dwarves as non-existent.

@PvPbomber009 5 жыл бұрын

Uuu, was waiting for this video! :))

@A.Filthy.Casual 5 жыл бұрын

Not too many people would really click onto a Tolkien channel you would think, but I'm happy to see your channel's grown plenty...and even still you've remained humble and true to the content and I really respect that. I hope the new lord of the rings series coming out will spark more people's interest in the world and your subscriber base grows from it.

@ibrahiym3030 5 жыл бұрын

I always love your videos. Keep it up😃. (P.S. Im only 14 so I don't have money, but when I get my summer job I will offer my full financial support to this channel)

@MenoftheWest 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for the support, my friend! It means the world to me. But please don’t harm your finances to support the channel 🙂 make sure you support yourself first, my friend!

@beerkenstein 5 жыл бұрын

The conflict between the two races was also foretold by Ilúvatar himself, as dwarves were made by Aule before the coming of the elves, without the consent of the father of the Valar. Although the dwarves were not a creation of Ilúvatar, he accepted them eventually, but cast them to slumber until the coming of the Firstborn. Ilúvatar also said: *'I will awaken them, and they shall be to thee as children; and often strife shall arise between thine and mine, the children of my adoption and the children of my choice.'* Quenta Silmarillion, Chapter 2. This was also the reason why the dwarves were so different from elves both physically and in thinking, as they had a different creator, and they were made in a time of war with Melkor, thus the stocky build and such.

@Vistico93 4 жыл бұрын

I've wondered this before, but I wonder if Gimli was the only dwarf outside the original 7 who would get to meet his creator, Aule?

@pedrodeeg3893 5 жыл бұрын

Hey, great vid. It would be cool to have a video on the evolution and development of the cultures of middle earth. It’s something that’s really unclear, because in our world, every culture has developed over time but it seems that in middle earth, the cultures remain the same

@tylersoto7465 3 жыл бұрын

Me too especially dwarves I bet they will be the ones living a progressive industrial age while everyone else is behind

@ISAACHALLEY3000 5 жыл бұрын

great video

@80budokai 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome video💯😍😋🙌

@TheKillerBeard 5 жыл бұрын

Trees burn, wood rots while the mountain and the stone endures.

@jsuniversemr.random8815 2 жыл бұрын

I have a few questions that I can't seem to find an answer for, or have forgotten that I did. - Is there a Half-Elf Half-Dwarf Mix? Can it exist? - What kind of Pros and Cons will a Mix Race will have? - Will Elves threat them like how they threat Half-Human Half-Elf's? Will the Dwarves do the same? - Since any Hybrids with Humans, they're already called Half-Elves and Half-Dwarves, will this Half-Elf Half-Dwarf have its own nickname? - Will they have the same Height as the Half-Human Half-Dwarf? - Will they be haunted down?

@barlazyjj7872 2 жыл бұрын

If you haven't already done so, try asking him during his next livestream. I've found him very gracious...

@connorross4571 3 жыл бұрын

Nothing like a Saturday Men of the West video.

@cheezemonkeyeater 4 жыл бұрын

You tempt me to try and read Silmarillion again. I tried reading it once in high school, but I read about halfway before I realized that I wasn't absorbing anything in it and couldn't remember anything I'd read up to that point, except that Melkor was some kinda bad guy.

@seanmcleroy8012 5 жыл бұрын

Good idea for a video, were there any elves that remained in middle earth in order to pass on the knowledge, history, skills and vice versa to Men and Dwarves after the war of the ring

@hughgedney3393 5 жыл бұрын

Great video Men of the West

@fenrir-art4742 4 жыл бұрын

This still only counts as one. A great one.

@marcschawinski3034 4 жыл бұрын

I would love to buy a boxed bluray set with a collection of all of your videos.

@madambutterfly1997 5 жыл бұрын

Smaug, beloved

@crazykids2004 3 жыл бұрын

Man it was all an misunderstanding Battle of a Thousand Caves amazing video as always 💓

@johnshannon9656 4 жыл бұрын

And what is the warning from JRRT's legendarium? The addiction that arises from desire and lust for material objects is always an undoing.

@nathanbouchard2586 4 жыл бұрын

Yup it was all Thengols fault. It started with his greed sending Beren to retrive a silmaril frim the crown of Morgoth

@EllieBloo 5 жыл бұрын

I never understood why the dwarves wanted the necklace as payment when they were commissioned to make the necklace. How do you get paid with what you were asked to make? Love the channel and your work. I binge hear in my car all the time!

@FaitalRyuu 5 жыл бұрын

If I recall correctly, the Nauglamir was originally a gift to Finrod Felagund. It's not unreasonable for the dwarves of Nogrod to think Thingol had the Nauglamir pillaged from Nargothrond, so they used that accusation as an excuse to withhold the Nauglamir after the Silmaril was set into it, for they coveted the Silmaril. Hurin gave the Nauglamir to Thingol, and Morgoth freed Hurin from bondage in Angband. Ergo, Morgoth ruined the friendship between elves and dwarves.

@fiddleback1568 2 жыл бұрын

It's Fractal Banking at it's finest. 😉😉

@jamessherrell904 5 жыл бұрын

Are you an Opera fan at all? Because huge swaths of that explanation sounded incredibly similar to Wagners interpretations of Norse myths for his Ring Cycle. Would love to see a video talking about how much he lifted from Wagner because I see it everywhere in the books. Love your stuff btw.

@davidchicoine6949 4 жыл бұрын

tolken did not invent kenyen language to , almost every fantasy world is made of some real mythologie

@mangot589 4 жыл бұрын

I’d like to see one of how much J. K. Rowling lifted from Tolkien. But not going to happen, because hacking a current writers work.....😒.

@dn5156 3 жыл бұрын

Tolkien's dwarves are likable, though, different than Wagner's, which reflected his antisemitism. I love the Ring Cycle but if it was a book I probably wouldn't like it. Tolkein's work has humor and good fellowship

@jamessherrell904 3 жыл бұрын

@@dn5156 Add to that Wagner being such a narcissist that he famously decided to write his own libretto even though he had no idea how to do so, making his diologue some of the worst in all opera. So yeah, it would double suck as a book. The idea of turning the gold from the myth into a ring though, having it instantly inspire the greed for the giant to kill his own brother to have it (like Smeagol did), the dragon. It's just fun to see the connections between two stories I love. Totally agree Wagner was a terrible person though.

@pashabesharaty8794 4 жыл бұрын

Make a what if video for Dagor Dagorath PLEASE

@drrsc 5 жыл бұрын

all these illustrations have some or other of the '..free peoples..' sporting pointed ears. Where did that trait come from as I don't recall reading any description in Tolkien's writing that mentions it.

@denniscleary7580 5 жыл бұрын

This was a terrible day, it’s a shame that it echoed all the way until the third age till Gimli and Legolas’s fellowship.

@busterbrown3790 5 жыл бұрын

How about a "What If" video on Khazad-dûm where there was no Balrog and the Dwarven city was still prospering through the third age?

@HitenLighthearth 4 жыл бұрын

That would be super interesting! No Gandalf the white but a likely chance of extra dwarven assistance on the trip?! Intrigued I am!

@kawekalee9737 5 жыл бұрын

I believe that the schism(if that's the right word) between the dwarves and elves enhance the tales that Sir Tolkien blessed us with... There is great alliances at times between both and they enriched each other's existence... I love both there places in the plots and tales of JRR Tolkien...

@imkluu 5 жыл бұрын

I thought there was an issue between the Noldo and the Longbeards of Khazad Dum when the Dwarves closed the doors of their mine when the Noldo of Eregion were fleeing from Sauron's troops in the second age, causing them to be trapped and slaughtered. I might have gotten some of the names wrong.

@gerrygreen1624 5 жыл бұрын

Yes, exactly. THAT is a key driver for the enmity between the two peoples in middle earth after that point in time.

@coreyholt8522 4 жыл бұрын

Do you think fighting over jewelry is overused in his works?

@scottdodge6979 2 жыл бұрын

I think a fair portion of that theme, that is if I'm remembering correctly, come from Richard Wagners "The ring" which is heavily based around an old Germanic epic. Tolkien was trying to create a pseudo mythological pre history Europe and I think he did a damn good job. His expertise in his fields was put to good use as an author.

@JohnyAngelo 4 жыл бұрын

What if Arkenstone is one of the lost Silmarils?

@kathymain578 4 жыл бұрын

I am hoping you with do Haldir (The Elven one). Please?

@sadlobster1 5 жыл бұрын

I understand why the Elves and Dwarves of Middle Earth disliked each other. But what about in Norse Mythology

@silverdragon710 5 жыл бұрын

Unrelated to the video I have a question I hope you see. Do you think Frodo should have died in Mount Doom? His death was “prophesied” if I remember correctly a few times. Maybe I’ve been too much into Game of Thrones and their logic of characters’ deaths but it did make me think. Sort of like what Rowling did with Harry Potter who was also supposed to die in the end but she abandoned that idea for fan service. I don’t think Tolkien made Frodo live for fan service but maybe he meant to kill him off and then grew too attached to the character. It would definitely make it more of an ending with that sacrifice to put it simply, even though there is logic as to how he survived when he changed his mind, let go of the ring and reached out to Sam, but still it made me wonder a bit. I’m interested in what you think :)

@mondenkindqueen 2 жыл бұрын

So much of the strife of Arda was brought about by peoples fighting over shiny rocks. Eru Illuvatar and Aule must have used magpies to make their creations.

@TJDious 4 жыл бұрын

Glass houses much, Elves? You gripe about the Dwarves unleashing the Balrog, but who got tricked by Sauron leading to the creation of the One Ring???

@jakealter5504 4 жыл бұрын

If I’m not mistaken thranduil was born in doriath and his father might’ve witnessed the first destruction of doriath so his dislike of dwarves is understandable. The reason why thranduil has problems with the longbeards is because thror stole jewels that had belonged to thranduil’s late wife and tried to ransom them back to him.

@FromAgonyToLight 5 жыл бұрын

So the battle where Thranduil left the Dwarves to fight alone (in the Hobbit) never happened?

@Sakuradragon639 5 жыл бұрын

@menofthewest would you want a solo film for the elves

@nedjabbar2966 5 жыл бұрын

what is the name of your podcast ?

@skull2470 3 жыл бұрын

It's kind of sad Gimli was the only dwarf to make it to the undying lands.

@dmdebruijn 8 ай бұрын

Well met, well met.

@znalniaskas 4 жыл бұрын

Dwarfs only seem to have beef with the Sindar/Teleri, they had a pretty good relationship with the Noldor, first in Beleriand and then in Eregion. They both love craftmanship and creating similar things.

@TJRymer89 4 жыл бұрын

The correct spelling is "Nirnaeth Arnoediad". It might also be helpful to the casual viewer to know the translation: "Battle of Unnumbered Tears."

@ianhubbard4954 5 жыл бұрын

Any history about worm tongue

@bundalengerz 5 жыл бұрын

You should do the story of ancalagon the black

@murandix5950 4 жыл бұрын

I think the main reason there was so much tention betwine elves and dwarves was that of cultural differences and the fact that both elves and dwarves did not try to understand the other which then lead to many instances where they offended or did not understand each other. And when you think about theese two races mistreaded each other over and over for thousands of years no wonder they ended up disliking or even hating each other.

@cstorvold 5 жыл бұрын

What was Gimli doing in Valinor?

@NowLoading247 5 жыл бұрын

Sounds to me if the elves paid the dwarves for their work, they would have no reason to take issue. I blame the elves (btw I am a huge elf fanboy!).

@kyomademon453 5 жыл бұрын

But how would thingol pay them? The dwarves are at fault because they agreed and with their natural greed eventually demanded the jewel for themselves

@NowLoading247 5 жыл бұрын

Didn't he say thingol betrayed them? Maybe I missed something.

@HitenLighthearth 4 жыл бұрын

It was dual-fault. (And I am a dwarven enthusiast) The dwarves demanded double what they originally asked for and in response he offered them nothing. If the elf had stuck to original payment agreement and not ordered them to leave with no payment or else be killed then it would have been the dwarves fully. That said it all started with a couple of bad eggs on both sides.

@tylersoto7465 3 жыл бұрын

@@HitenLighthearth yes exactly and yes I want some eggs to eat lol

@tylersoto7465 3 жыл бұрын

I support the dwarves on this

@inotaishu1 4 жыл бұрын

So, if the Sindar elves thought of the Petty dwarves as beasts and hunted them because of it, does that mean they also ate them?

@matthewmann8969 4 жыл бұрын

One was jealous of not having the pointy ears and the other was jealous of not having the long beards

@CMHobbies 4 жыл бұрын

Notice the accent placing on “Ilúvatar” is above the “u”. That’s the stress marker. You need to ditch Martin Shaw’s Silmarillion pronunciation because it’s incorrect. I-LOO-vatar not Ilu-VA-tar. Just ask the Tolkien Professor. He went on a tangent about it a while back.

@SaetherOfficial 4 жыл бұрын

Someone else noticed!

@rhonancy 5 жыл бұрын

Because of the diffrence in body, wealth and power.

@thehillbillygamer2183 2 жыл бұрын

So the elves got that big giant magic glowy diamond and they wanted the dwarfs to put it in some necklace they had that already had fancy glowy stones and then the dwarf said okay and they did it and then they demanded the thing that they worked on for the reward that'd be like a guy builds your house and then he wants the house as payment that he built yet this is crazy

@lelouche25 4 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised by just how long men live in Middle Earth. Since Aragorn died after so long. But what about Dwarves do they live as long?

@DaveGrean 4 жыл бұрын

Aragorn was of a special breed; most humans by the time of The Hobbit and LotR had lifespans similar to real life people

@lelouche25 4 жыл бұрын

@@DaveGrean ohh okay, is it because of Isildurs bloodline?

@DaveGrean 4 жыл бұрын

@@lelouche25 Yeah, he descends from the Numenoreans, who all had lifespans of a few hundred years. They were kind of the chosen people of the gods, like a better subrace of human.

@lelouche25 4 жыл бұрын

@@DaveGrean oh okay, but Sauron destroyed Numenor correct?

@DaveGrean 4 жыл бұрын

@@lelouche25 Not really, actually the gods destroyed it as a punishment when its people became corrupted and sinful. Although Sauron is the one who corrupted them, so I guess in a way he did, indirectly.

@dj82020 5 жыл бұрын

Morgoth as the black arm disturbs me

@Lothmar22 4 жыл бұрын

4:40 Not gonna lie, till I realized they were supposed to be orcs I was all "Is this an example of the 'evil beasts' on sauron/melkors side?" Cause I thought thought those were Gorillas fighting with the dragon vs the dwarves. "Orcs, Together, Strong." xD