Why Did the Elves (& Frodo, Gandalf) Leave Middle-earth? Middle-earth Explained

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The Elves leaving Middle-earth was a crucial but sad moment in the legendarium, and many wonder why it had to happen. Today, we explore this topic and the why it was necessary in Tolkien’s works. As always, a great thanks to the online artists whose visual works made this video possible! If you are one of the artists, please let me know and I will post your name and a link to your work in this description!
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@israelisntreal786 2 жыл бұрын

“I don’t know why, but it makes me sad” Samwise Gamgee

@zacharycollins9485 2 жыл бұрын

I love the song The Passing of the Elves from that scene. It's such a bittersweet, hauntingly beautiful song. It really captures the magical and sad nature of the Elves leaving Middle Earth.

@dmk3434 Жыл бұрын

Cry me a river!

@thorshammer7883 2 жыл бұрын

It's really sad to see the Elves leave forever while the humans are left behind and alone forever and to be forgotten by them. Eventually never knowing their elvish siblings even existing and forgetting who Eru Illuvatar is. Ask me that's pretty sad and tragic to think of.

@ingmarfris8175 2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Especially considering how much the elves helped humans and their friendship in the past. Hopefully they’ll meet again.

@markjednoroz9585 2 жыл бұрын

In my opinion it’s natural, look only at our own history.

@ingmarfris8175 2 жыл бұрын

@@markjednoroz9585 What about our own history? I'm not sure I understand your comment.

@marchendrawidjaja 2 жыл бұрын

@@ingmarfris8175 It reflects our own world and history whereby nothing is permanent. We constantly have to deal with changes, including loved ones leaving (dying, moving away, etc.), something that elves have to deal with considerably less. Even as sundered people, the elves are effectively immortal and thus the possibility of uniting again is always present. Even for us, in a single lifetime, we have seen things rise to prominence and become obsolete and forgotten. People who came before us are often eventually forgotten given enough time. I can't say if that is natural or not, but it is simply the way for us mortal beings.

@ingmarfris8175 2 жыл бұрын

@@marchendrawidjaja Interesting answer. I wonder what the other Mark had in mind. Probably a similar thing. Have a good one!

@briangarrow448 2 жыл бұрын

The ending of Arda is a reflection of an English post WW1 veteran who had watched most of the boys he schooled with had been slaughtered on the fields of Flanders. Can any of us imagine the melancholia of being a survivor of such a horrific event? Tolkien loved his world of his youth. He weeped for the world of his entrance into adulthood. And he lived on, passing the years without those who grew up with him. So many gone. So many lost. Life is so precious, and so fleeting. Appreciate every moment. We have so few.

@FA-ft9sq 2 жыл бұрын

The tragic thing in all of that was that we learned nothing and waged an even bigger World War 2. Imagine Tolkien thoughts about his and friend's sacrifices essentially seen as pointlessl.

@doltBmB 2 жыл бұрын

Okay real talk. Don't blame the way of the world. Name your true enemy, the misandrist society which continues to hold men and boys as expendable cannon fodder for the elite.

@conniewaterman1673 2 жыл бұрын

@@doltBmB thank you and amen to that!

@tokkia1384 2 жыл бұрын

Tolkien hated allegory, so I think the story is what it is, it isn’t a representation of anything. Of course Tolkien may have been channeling his emotions and was inspired by what he lived through so in that sense I agree!

@seanmoran6510 2 жыл бұрын

@@FA-ft9sq He said he never believed in the propaganda slogans The War To End All Wars or The War For Civilisation

@Longshanks1690 2 жыл бұрын

Sauron: goes 💥 The Elves: aight we’re gonna head out

@Longshanks1690 2 жыл бұрын

To represent the decline of magic and wonder in the world and to emphasise that it’s alllll downhill from here.

@orangexlightning 2 жыл бұрын

That's...surprisingly accurate.

@melonlord3568 2 жыл бұрын

Nice name

@a.jthomas6132 Жыл бұрын

As we grew older, I wonder if some of us still have a sense of magic and wonder as any child could ever dreamed. I dreamed of exploring Middle Earth when I was very young.

@garrettdoyle888 Жыл бұрын

It's never truly over....u can find hope in GOD.... the GOD of middle earth the GOD of the hobbits the GOD of the elves, the GOD of man, the GOD of dwarfs, but most of all the GOD of the universe.

@fea365y 2 жыл бұрын

I think not only did they accept their fate, but also the desire for peace and tranquility after so much suffering and countless losses, as well as seeing their younger siblings falling through time.

@Valdagast 2 жыл бұрын

The Elves really only hang on during the Third Age due to the Elven Rings.

@yara-nd5ky 2 жыл бұрын

Wished this was explained abit more in the films. I was so confused as who crafted the other rings

@yara-nd5ky 2 жыл бұрын

@@Enerdhil oh i understood that after picking up the books . Just rewatching the films i felt that the prologue was pretty vague in explaining the power of the other rings . Especially since its somewhat tied to the passing of the elves .

@ThePowerFrank 2 жыл бұрын

The Valar: come back Galadriel, we forgive you Galadriel: I'M NOT DONE YET!!

@ChiaraSiasat 2 жыл бұрын

While it’s sad to see the elves leave Middle-earth, I understand why they did as it was a part of Illuvatar’s will and pretty much their destiny especially after the destruction of Sauron and the threes rings fade without their powers the world becomes older and since the Eldar are tied to Arda they would grow weary. I like the comparison that’s it’s kind of like a relative bequeathing something precious or important to a another family member and it continues down the line. Thanks for another great video Yoystan!

@mikemurphy8714 2 жыл бұрын

Well weren't the elves in middle earth a lot earlier than the age of the 3 rings? How do the rings effect t their presence in middle earth?

@seanmoran6510 2 жыл бұрын

The Summons of The Valar after The Destruction Of Utumno had a lot to do with it.

@ChiaraSiasat 2 жыл бұрын

@@mikemurphy8714 two of the 3 elven rings within in their respective realms kind of have the power to slow down and preserve time and also they didn’t feel the corruption of Sauron and Morgoth. Once the rings lost their powers after the destruction of the One ring because of the corruption their bodies would weaken and they faded faster. If Elves refused the summons of the Valar and remained in Middle Earth they became houses spirits after they faded.

@herobrineapril8451 Жыл бұрын

@@ChiaraSiasat bro they can just reproduce there's no reason i can see for why they left

@ChiaraSiasat Жыл бұрын

@@herobrineapril8451 what does being able to reproduce have to do with the Elves leaving Middle Earth?? The left because it was the summons of the Valar/Will of Illuvatar. Also if they had stayed their Fëa would pretty much eat away at their Hröa and they would eventually become like a wraith.. Did you even read the books??

@MountainFisher 2 жыл бұрын

I always wondered what Gimli's reaction to meeting Aule would have been like after he saw Galadriel of course. I am sure the hope of meeting the creator of his race was in the back of Gimli's mind.

@slimdiddyj5969 2 жыл бұрын

Sam shouted Potatoes at them too aggressively

@DiracComb.7585 2 жыл бұрын

I’m now just imagining hobbits in a battle remembering Sam and shouting “POTATOES” as a battle cry.

@Lobomaru02 2 жыл бұрын

A battle cry to match the "RIP AND TEAR" of the Night Sentinels.

@lordofthered1257 2 жыл бұрын

"Boil them! Mash them! Stick them in a stew!"

@mediadunce653 2 жыл бұрын

“Whaaat’sss tat-ters?”

@Raz.C 2 жыл бұрын

One more minor point - Galadriel's Ban I believe that Galadriel's ban on returning home was largely self imposed. She was pardoned along with all other Noldor at the end of the first age, yet she still wanted to explore and live in Middle Earth and to rule a Kingdom of her own. There was never any pronouncement against her and any exile was of her own belief. This is why Saruman mocks her lamentations in such thoughts of hers as the poem _Namarië._ It's because he recognises that there's nothing preventing her from returning home, but her own stubbornness in the belief that she cannot return. Overcoming the desire of The Ring to grant her the power to rule vast kingdoms and to order them as she wills was a test of her own making, allowing her to come to terms with dichotomy of selfishness vs selflessness; She wanted to stay in Middle Earth after the war of wrath for her own ends (selfishness), so she couldn't return to Valinor until she proved to herself that she was no longer selfish in that same way. Being able to renounce the power of The Ring proved to her inner self that she could be selfless and that she had changed since the end of the first age, in that she didn't make the same choice now (end of 3rd age), as she did then (end of first age).

@orrointhewise3913 2 жыл бұрын

"The time of the elves is over. Do we leave middle earth to its fate? Do we let them stand alone?" I guess now we know why it made Sam sad 😥 But even tho they departed they left behind a legacy and heritage that in many ways continues on. It also softens the blow a bit to know that it was always meant to be, and that it will all work out in the end 🥺

@FA-ft9sq 2 жыл бұрын

It's also why it was so noble of Galadriel to welcome them with open arms and help them along the way. She knew that if they succeeded in destroying the One Ring that she is also dooming herself and her people by doing so.

@janicem9225 2 жыл бұрын

It's not real. Lol It's a story written by Tolkien. Yes, it's a beautiful story, admittedly... But it's just that... A story. 🙄

@orrointhewise3913 2 жыл бұрын

@@janicem9225 Very true, valid point. But if u can draw meaning and understanding and emotion from a story or a character or a world, even if it's not real, then it's worth feeling something for it. And if u can do that then you're able to appreciate the real things in your own life ✌🏼

@theblackfish05 2 жыл бұрын

And the ship went out into the High Sea and passed into the West, until at last on a night of rain Frodo smelled a sweet fragrance on the air and heard the sound of singing that came over the water. And then it seemed to him that as in his dream in the house of Bombadil, the grey rain-curtain turned all to silver glass and was rolled back, and he beheld white shores and beyond them a far green country under a swift sunrise.

@SamvedIyer 2 жыл бұрын

Tolkien's prose is masterly.

@donnatornay2537 2 жыл бұрын

OMG! I enjoyed the many topics you've researched and produced. This one is by far among the best of many! Thanks to you and a few others creators dedicated to explore J.R.R. Tolkien's legendary works, all the questions I've ever had are answered. Kudos for your hard work, Yoyston. Kudos for the J.J.R . Tolkien Award most of all congratulations for your new home!

@geviesanta3631 2 жыл бұрын

Last time I came this early is when Pippin tells Gimli that they were having some salted pork. 😋

@DrunkJester 2 жыл бұрын

As it's said in Akallabeth in the story Numenor "Its not the land that gives immortality but the people that dwell there that makes the land deathless" that really shed a whole new light on Valinor for me.

@huanhoundofthevailinor2374 2 жыл бұрын

Love your poll for next week its very close at the minute

@Raz.C 2 жыл бұрын

Just a minor point of bookkeeping: Cirdan was Teleri, as were the Falathrim with him. Also, there would presumably have been a large contingent of avari still dwelling as moriquendi. So, rather than just the Sindar and Noldor being left in Middle Earth in the 4th age, I think there were a LOT of elves who went unaccounted for, particularly those of the avari, of whom the Valar particularly seemed to take no accounting of.

@eacalvert 2 жыл бұрын

Another wonderful video. Thank you as always for all your hard work. Perfect way to end the day❤️

@zadesabah3498 2 жыл бұрын

Good to see you going on with the videos bro, keep it up

@cdrjohnshepard2549 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing! I love these lore explanation videos.

@ingmarfris8175 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! I love the themes of mortality, immortality and sort of determinism. It’s interesting but not easy to think of a fated or planned end to life. It’s sad to think of elves living and watching others around them die. I appreciate the level of detail in these videos!

@aleksanderskar7638 2 жыл бұрын

Finally I caught up, have been trying to get through all your videos over a couple of weeks now.

@Spoomis 2 жыл бұрын

I enjoy your videos immensely, and look forward to new ones.

@jamiegregg9211 2 жыл бұрын

cool vid Yoystan enjoyed it

@SA-ng4uw 2 жыл бұрын

The end of the video makes me think that when Eru Iluvatar will reshape the world, it will be the Elves’ time again, and that it’s a actually a cycle between Immortals and Mortals alternating.

@kreuzrittergottes9336 2 жыл бұрын

Beautiful, as always.

@TheSaneHatter 2 жыл бұрын

The topic of the Elves "fading" touches on what I feel is the biggest reason why they had to leave, one that I'm surprised you didn't go into: the fact that in time, the Undying lands would be the only place where they could exist, at least in tangible form. Tolkien describes the Elves as "mighty in both worlds," and in his supplementary writings, goes on to explain further that while humans are corporeal beings, Elves have both a magic and a mundane aspect to their being. There is both a visible and an unseen world as Tolkien imagines it, and the Elves straddle the boundary. And he said that in time, the Elves' magical element would outlast and even burn out their earthly forms, leaving them only as ephemeral beings divorced from the world of matter. Valinor, meanwhile, is said to have passed into that unseen world entirely after the last ships arrived, leaving any who did not come stranded, but allowing those who did to go on as they always had, in the one dimension of reality where they could still be. They come to Valinor, or they disappear; it's that simple.

@tren380 Жыл бұрын

I don’t think it’s that simple at all…or it would be described that simply in the numerous videos on this topic.

@rickythe2nd63 2 жыл бұрын

So beautifully done. Moving, actually

@stephensmith3111 2 жыл бұрын

Although the different children of Eru/Iluvatar have much in common, there is also much that is not the same. Aside from the obvious differences of life span, they are fundamentally different in, for lack of a better term, psychologies. If you could somehow plot a bell curve of the diverse range of psychologies for the individuals of each species (yeah, I know, vast oversimplification; even professionals can't agree on the metrics, which also are not constants), these curves would likely be significantly different. And this is all just a pleasant mental exercise over what is a work of fiction. Truly great fiction indeed, of nonpareil elaborateness, but still . . . As a U. S. Government certified Old Dude, I have come to a greater appreciation of the virtue of the 'Gift of Man'. Immortality in a finite world will eventually become wearying. There is much that remains in this world that I would like to experience for the first time or once again, but I am blessed to have seen/heard/felt/smelled/tasted much (which remains in increasingly glitchy, but still adequately usable memory and other cognitive functions) over the decades. I cannot honestly say that I have been short changed. And there is also that which is new, especially a certain delightful little person who has been around for only a bit over two years now. I am not yet quite ready to check out and have no plans to do anything stupid, but when the time comes I will accept the 'Gift'.

@stephensmith3111 2 жыл бұрын

p.s. Another good job, Yoystan! :-)

@Draconisrex1 2 жыл бұрын

Thing is, it was the Noldor who left not all the elves. Many elves fell away from the initial journey to Valinor and they remain a giant plot-hole that was resolved by Tolkien who was clear that all elves did NOT leave. Further, Tolkien also said that the sons of Elrond still had the choice and could defer that choice without leaving Middle Earth. There was a terrible downside. That is if the elves remained long-enough Middle Earth could NOT SUSTAIN their spirts and the elves that remained would eventually fade and become Haunts.

@HoloTWWOriginal 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. I often wondered why they did leave after only seeing the movies. I've learned a lot about the lore of Tolkiens works from your channel. Also I'm not sure what your situation is right now but I think you could do with a better mic or at least don't record inside of a pot 😂

@plamen2530 2 жыл бұрын

Great video Men of the West!

@amanda.7125 2 жыл бұрын

Could you add to youre future topics: What if the Elves where forced to leave Middle-earth During the second age!!🤔😊

@amanda.7125 2 жыл бұрын

I just meant what if they had to leave before the fellowship of the ring in the third age more correctly how would it had turned out if all the elves had left by then, no Legolas no Erlond no Galadriel and so on!?🤔😊

@amanda.7125 2 жыл бұрын

@@Enerdhil yea, all would be lost i guess for the free people!!🤔

@crowverra5343 5 ай бұрын

Its sad that elves who stay become formless whispers and memories, and the dwarves delve so deep that they never return to the world.

@cuitaro 2 жыл бұрын

We, the Second-born of Illuvatar desire immortality to be among ourselves. Whereas our elder siblings wish mortality to be with us, their younger siblings.

@ilmari97 2 жыл бұрын

Hi! I have never before commented to your videos, but now I will (although this comment don't have nothing do to with this video). So, I have watched occasionally your videos and I like your channel; it gives new thoughts and ideas about Tolkien's legendarium. And I like your channel, because it tells of Tolkien legendarium, of course. I really appreciate Tolkien and his imagination, and I am interested in writing fantasy stories, that are located in their very own worlds. I have taken inspiration from The Silmarillion, and that's why I like The Silmarillion and this channel (or then I'm interested in writing because of The Silmarillion, I'm not sure). Greetings from Finland/Estonia!

@MenoftheWest 2 жыл бұрын

Greetings Tulmari, thank you so much for the support, my friend! I'm glad you commented and I hope you have a wonderful day! Hello from the U.S.!

@marionbaggins 2 жыл бұрын

Man Mellon, that's so sad...It was there density from the beginning of time to leave *wipes tears away...* Anyway what a beautiful video about the Fate's of the Elves...Until a Poll of our choosing, Marion Baggins Out!!!

@jonbilgutay2 9 ай бұрын

I wonder what became of the Elves cities? Surely such beautiful real estate didn't just go abandoned.

@bethmarriott9292 2 жыл бұрын

On a lighter note, I'm having some hilarity envisioning all these elves that have lived either most or all of their lives in the woods dreaming of the majesty of the sea then getting on the boats and dealing with ACTUALLY sailing

@thinkfirstt 2 жыл бұрын

That would be some comic relief, yes. Legolas and Gimli both uncomfortable.

@thinkfirstt 2 жыл бұрын

That would be some comic relief, yes. Legolas and Gimli both uncomfortable.

@mikeychainsaw9760 Жыл бұрын

Nice breakdown.

@WhoIsCalli 10 ай бұрын

Such a sad topic. But one I love coming back too. You analyse Tolkien so we’ll. many thanks

@xxmiltxx9037 2 жыл бұрын

Bro, I just subscribed this is cool. The land and stories of beleriand and the land of the elves makes the war of the ring look like childs story haha which it is, at least the hobbit. A story where the good guys lose? Game of thrones but with a complete story, dragons and everything!

@upschutt4842 11 ай бұрын

I would love seeing a video on the afterlife in Tolkien's world, especially for Elves as bound to Arda, and mortal Men, Dwarves, and Hobbits (and Dwarves as merely adopted children of Era probably have a different fate altogether).

@specialk8888 2 жыл бұрын

I always found it really sad in different fantasy adaptions of elves dying out or leaving. DragonAge Inquisition touched on this too and that the world is simply plain and dull without the magics of the elves. I know Tolkien says that the Entwives are dead but I like to believe in some hidden pocket of Middle-Earth, Treebeard found the entwives and brought a bit of magic back to Middle-Earth

@dmk3434 Жыл бұрын

Cry me a river!

@Steel-101 2 жыл бұрын

Why did they leave? Middle Earth ran out of Lembas bread and elven wine 🍷 lol 😆

@kappakiev9672 2 жыл бұрын

Hot take. I think the elves having to leave is a slap in the face of every elf who died protecting men, and every man who died protecting an elf

@nathanaelalcantara8430 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing video, Yoystan! This gives so much weight to Arwen's choice to abandon Valinor, a paradise literally crafted by the gods for her. It amazes me how she chose to follow her love over, what is essentially, a guaranteed spot in heaven.

@tomdumb6937 2 жыл бұрын

But when he died she went over seas!

@colleenross8752 10 ай бұрын

@@tomdumb6937no, she didn't. She went back to Lorien and died there a year after Aragorn

@keyboarddancers7751 2 жыл бұрын

Tolkien's tales are chock full of beautiful poignancy.

@mojosbigsticks 2 жыл бұрын

Lands there are to west of West, Where night is quiet, and sleep is rest.

@Crafty_Spirit 2 жыл бұрын

I wanted to add the idea that the Marring of Arda by Melkor took a toll on Elves' bodies who remained in Middle-Earth like a sort of micro-poisoning that accumulates over the centuries and eventually results in fatigue or even fading. The Elven rings of power and living in the blessed realm of Valinor would stop this decay 🤔 I recall that this idea was presented somewhere in Morgoth's Ring.

@rnbnatl 2 жыл бұрын

Think I'd like to follow the Elves to the West myself.

@stevestarcke Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@Paladin_315 2 жыл бұрын

New followers to the channel and LOVING all the lore any chance theres a video on the Origins of the Fell Beasts? And why did the Nazgul ride horses at the start of there hint and not just the Fell Beasts

@hydroknight8612 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Yoysten. I logged back onto my discord and cant find your server. How can I get back into it?

@whit_edoesart 2 жыл бұрын

it suuuure plays on the duality of mortality and immortality and the double edge sword that both of them are. Quite the beautiful, sad and exciting thing.

@maninthecamohat2735 2 жыл бұрын

6:10 That's a really cool drawing of Sauron.

@mediadunce653 2 жыл бұрын

I think that’s supposed to be Morgoth, during is duel with Fingofin.

@maninthecamohat2735 2 жыл бұрын

@@mediadunce653 Oh ok it looks a lot like Sauron.

@TheMarcHicks 2 жыл бұрын

I do still wonder, though, what would have happened to the Elves if the Valar had left them in Middle Earth from the very beginning.

@shanenolan8252 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@paulwagner688 2 жыл бұрын

Not only his love for the Elves, but Galadriel herself probably went to Manwe to ask for that grace. Add to that that Gimli was 262 and near the end of his life, and you can see the Valar giving the grace to Gimli to see Galadriel one last time before he died.

@stockjock400rdw 2 жыл бұрын

I wish someone could or would do a video o. All the other lands of Middle Earth. It is such a huge world and we only get to see the information about just 1 corner of all the land.

@Paulafan5 2 жыл бұрын

I wonder what the fate of the Dwarves would be in the Fourth Age. Would their numbers slowly dwindle and they go extinct? There were only a few "Kingdoms" of Dwarves in Middle-Earth by the end of the Third Age.

@Lobomaru02 2 жыл бұрын

It's sad that the Elves had to leave, but I'm sure they miss us just as dearly.

@philipraymond8377 10 ай бұрын

It’s sad, but my thoughts are I wished there was no Valinor which can make for a new stories later on in that they live in closer proximity to one another, and would have made for a much happier ending to the story

@archangel5410 Жыл бұрын

Where did you find all these amazing drawings of this era?

@theflammiferofwesternesse6122 2 жыл бұрын

Would love a video on the Avari, or Maraquendi.

@zacharycollins9485 2 жыл бұрын

I love The Passing of the Elves from The Fellowship of the Ring movie. It's such a bittersweet and hauntingly beautiful song. It evokes the magical and sad nature of the Elves leaving Middle Earth.

@Thomas.Wright 2 жыл бұрын

All this talk about longing and the sea: (I think Yoystan knows where this is going.) I'M ALL SET TO VEER AWAY AND I'M ALL SET TO GO ASTRAY ALL BURDENS I WILL LEAVE ASHORE TO FIND WHAT I'VE BEEN LONGING FOR.

@benwest3223 2 жыл бұрын

It wasn’t perfect, but I rejoice for the blessing that the presence of the Elves was to Middle Earth, while it lasted.

@TheMateriaalkunde 2 жыл бұрын

Guess it was all in the music.. When Melkor sang his first discord, it must have been about the fading on Arda and death after life. He wanted of course to be, being the most powerful, the strongest remaining spirit and owner of the vision. Now Iluvatar would have his Firstborn to stay on Arda as long as it existed, so there was to be a place where immortals could stay safely and unmarred, and that would be kept up by the power of the Valar. But for the Secondborn he devised to stay in Arda Marred. They would have, though, strange qualities to live with it, mainly because their fate would not be bound to Arda. Iluvatar himself would provide Feär to dwell in the newborn bodies of these much more fertile children, to be recollected after death. Thus Melkor, although his singing became part of the creation, achieved not his desire to ursurp its lordship. Instead the creation became more beautiful and interesting. Hence.... The division into separate worlds for mortals and immortals, effectuated in the downfall of Númenor was probably inevitable. Hence.. Even Sauron in his malice was an instrument of the fulfilling of the Music. Just as Ilúvatar had foretold.

@fdh178 2 жыл бұрын

hey, could you do a video of Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth and Old Hope?

@NPClownumber81googolplex 2 жыл бұрын

This made me wonder what Eru Ilúvatar's point was in making elves. Then I looked up it was basically to help kick Morgoth's a$$, lol. Then that somehow led me to learn that Eru made Smeagol find the ring so that Sauron wouldn't. Then I thought damn Eru, not only did you make Gollum's life miserable, but you had to make him strangle a Deagol/fam member as well? That's cold af 🤣 hopefully he made it up to them in the afterlife 😅

@florinaslan5482 2 жыл бұрын

You know it's so sad that while the elves are bound to arda, we men depart beyond this world into the unknown.

@Linnir 2 жыл бұрын

What about the Sindarin and other elves that never went to Valinor. Did they feel the pull of the West particularly at the end of the Third Age?

@theproteanbro5994 2 жыл бұрын

Youstan's trying to make a word-count, here's an analogy, when Eru and the Ainur "Forged" the world into being, the Iron was Glowing-hot, so they could mold it as they wished, but after they finished forging it, the iron cooled, but not instantaneously. In this analogy, heat is magic, thus the elves were able to use a lot of magic in their bodies, but by the same token, they depended on magic, humans, on the other hand, couldn't "metabolize" magic like the elves or even the Dwarves can, but by the same token, the without magic the elves and dwarves starve, but humans, who weren't even metabolizing magic in the first place are fine without it, so when the iron began to cool in the later ages, elves, dwarves, dragons, and Giant Spiders began to starve, while the humans were just fine and were in fact better off than when they iron was hot as they didn't have to compete with magical beings as much, the End of the Third age was when Iron finally got so cold that the elves couldn't live on it anymore and had to go seek warmth elsewhere.

@jpduffy2003 2 жыл бұрын

Finrod has himself some groupies it seems. He must be rockin' that harp.

@OrangeMapleLeaf 2 жыл бұрын

There is a message of hope at the end of the video....

@FA-ft9sq 2 жыл бұрын

Would the avaris also get that longing of crossing over the seas even though they did not see the light of Valinor?

@FA-ft9sq 2 жыл бұрын

@@Enerdhil he is Sindarin. Im? Talking about those that actively rejected the summons.

@amicaaranearum 2 жыл бұрын

I think all of the remaining Elves would have felt that longing, regardless of whether they had ever beheld the light of Valinor. However, I suspect that the few who remained behind and faded would be mostly Moriquendi.

@ianmiller6040 2 жыл бұрын

@@Enerdhil I wondered what happened to those who chose to supposedly remain to the modern day, fading away to mere ghosts that were invisible and intangible to the rest of the world. Were they stuck like that, as punishment for their indecision (a truly horrific fate) or would they also be allowed to cross to the Undying Lands somehow one day, to be potentially re-embodied again in Valinor?

@jasonparrish8670 2 жыл бұрын

So the Noldor or other 'High Elves' were called back to the West, but what about the forest elves who had never seen the light of the Two Trees?

@claytonbarnett7084 2 жыл бұрын

Right at the end something caught my attention: "the world remade." I'm a bad Catholic but understand there shall be a New Heaven and a New Earth, but I did not think Tolkien carried that into his mythos. I thought that in their "reboot," the Eldar are gone and it's just humans from then on. It's been years since I read the Silmarillion and I've not the more recent books, so can anyone please make me older about this? The misunderstanding seems to be mine.

@amicaaranearum 2 жыл бұрын

A video explaining the links between Tolkien's Catholic faith and the legendarium would be really interesting.

@justinreed6098 2 жыл бұрын

Imagine using the magic Sword, Shieldbreaker against the army of orcs that marched on Helms Deep. Or using Farslayer against Saruman. Anyone read the Lost Swords stories by Fred Saberhagen?

@davidw.smiecinski5260 2 жыл бұрын

"It's the smell" - Elrond, probably

@ianmiller6040 2 жыл бұрын

"If there is such a thing. I can *taste* your *stink* and every time I do, I fear I've somehow been *infected* by it. It's repulsive, isn't it?" *sails with all haste to the West, furiously scrubbing himself with a soft elven towel*

@hudsonball4702 2 жыл бұрын

I have a What if video suggestion. What if Smaug had killed Bilbo and had taken the One Ring for himself?

@donaldbadowski290 2 жыл бұрын

I'm reminded of Mark Twain's book, Letters from the Earth. The plot is an angle visits Earth and gets to know the wants and desires of us stupid mortals. One believe the angle mentions in a letter back to his kin in Heaven goes like this... If you have lived a good, pious life, you will go to Heaven when you die. You will dress in white robes, have angles wings, sit on a cloud, play a harp, and sing Hosanna, Hosanna for eternity, and love it. The angle, disguised as human, asks people if they play the harp and sing Hosanna now. "Of course not!" says the humans. Well, why not? "Because that would be boring." And won't it be boring in Heaven? "Of course not!" Why? "Because in Heaven we will be made to love it!" So when it comes to Elves in the Undying Lands, you have to wonder why they didn't all go. Yes, I know all about the sundering, the Avari, etc. But after countless thousands of years, before the coming of the Sun and Moon, the Avari, the Sindar, the Nandor, they all could have taken a few centuries off, asked Cirdan for a ride, etc. You know, an Elf Vacation. They didn't. And what about the Silvan Elves who accepted Galadriel as their Lady? She must have told stories to them about Valinor, even if she wasn't allowed to go. None of them bothered to pull up stakes and make the journey? Certainly by then she would have told them they had nothing to fear from Orme or the other Valar. But none of them went. You can say they loved Middle-earth all you want. But the fact remains, not one, at least that we know of. I suspect it got boring, like all societies that is settled for too long. It gets classist and snobbish, everyone in everyone else's business. Social score keeping. And eventually, no matter how many amusements and fine restaurants there are, you just get sick of it.

@tiradox6348 2 жыл бұрын

I know Gandalf left to the west, but what ever happened to Radagast the brown, did he too leave for the west or did he manage to stay in middle earth? Great video as always, something to look forward to on Sundays. :)

@mibikchellaimibikchellous2238 Жыл бұрын

probably stayed, considering his job of taking care of nature wasn't over right?

@alextremodelnorte1905 2 жыл бұрын

The first recorded case of White flight in Middle Earth.

@cal9605 2 жыл бұрын

What happened to the elvish lands afterwards ?

@slainbyblind 2 жыл бұрын

the Noldor are BAMF's... Frodo is ayte he held posession of the Ring for around 17 years give or take 6months, while Bilbo held it for 60 years and used it much more than Frodo, gives you some depth of the fortitude of Bilbo.

@dakotadurham4788 2 жыл бұрын

Homie got me crying in the club rn

@oliveremmettknox7776 2 жыл бұрын

The fate of Tolkien elves is still better when comparing it to the fate of the elves in Witcher and Dragon Age.

@richardrolke8967 2 жыл бұрын

I always wondered how many Noldor where left in Middle Earth at the end of the 3rd age and how many of these where from the original journey is the first age. Anyone have an estimate?

@davidandrews2972 2 жыл бұрын

A bare handful east of the Blue Mountains. There may have been more in the Grey Havens, as a remnant of the last kingdom of the Noldor in Lindon, but we're never really shown what lies in those lands. As for original Noldor, probably none, as Galadriel and Glorfindel both came from later generations. Cirdan may well have been a firstborn elf, but he was a Sindar, as he never saw the light of the two Trees.

@DDickinson458 2 жыл бұрын

I don't think it's ever said exactly. There's Galadriel, Glorfindel, and Gildor Inglorion (who Frodo meets towards the beginning of the journey out of the Shire). I have to imagine there are more unnamed Noldor among the Galadhrim, Gildor's group, and in the house of Elrond. I'm pretty sure after the fall of Beleriand the remaining Noldor kinda scattered and mixed into the societies of the Sindarin elves, so it's hard to say.

@od1401 2 жыл бұрын

They're basically just going home after the end of a long journey who's outcomes and trials they could've never known when setting out, thinking it was a mere quest for vengeance and the silmarils to begin with. Their time to go home had come I suppose.

@mikeychainsaw9760 Жыл бұрын

Since Arwen traded places with frodo she is mortal now correct? She wanted to be with Aragorn

@johnperry1645 2 жыл бұрын

I didn’t know Elvis ever went there...

@MaliciousMollusc 2 жыл бұрын

I still want to think that somehow, Ungoliant was waiting all this time to make a comeback along with the Nameless Ones.

@pablosplinter5530 2 жыл бұрын

I have been listening to the audiobook version of Fellowship recently, read by Rob Inglis and tbh based on his reading I think if I lived in Middle Earh I would be helping them pack their bags! They come across just silly and honestly annoying...I don't remember feeling that at all when I read it 20-odd years ago. I'm sure it is just in the reading

@happyoutside8227 2 жыл бұрын

Where's King Thranduil during this time?

@ConCorDian2210 2 жыл бұрын

I always felt Elves were the extremes of men. If an elf was a good person they were the epitome of goodness. Take the greatest elven hero's of the first age, they were greater than the greatest of the race of man. But then take the great Kin slaying, the temptation Galadriel felt, the Grudge Thranduil held. These were far worse than most ever done by men. So i always precieved they were the lesson to men. To show balance by demonstrating the extremes. That even the best can have evil, and that bad can do good. By doing so they would show men how to embrace all the sides of their characters, to accept they can be great or evil all through the choices and actions they take. Once Men reach that stage, where now they have the lessons they leave bringing the true vision of Erus world into fruition.