I just wish she had apologised primarily to Bruno alongside Mirabelle, he was easily the one hurt most by the pressure and attitude she forced on people but never got a proper apology.

🥴 or Caribbean 🤦🏽‍♀️😭

@@tortoiseoflegends4466 When they rebuild the house I like to think she did

When she "apologized" and was all "It was my fault, woe is me", I'm sure that was just a manipulation tactic to get Mirabel to forgive her. Mirabel, she emotionally abused you and your entire family for your whole lives and kept you all squished under her iron thumb and she alienated and hated you for not having a gift which makes her a massive hypocrite because she has no gift herself, Alma pulling a 180 out of nowhere and giving a half-baked apology is a huge red flag, seriously, she's probably just manipulating you and taking advantage of your nice personality to make you let your guard down and eventually abuse you again once you think that everything is fine. I'm warning you, Mirabel, people like her are irredeemable! Run while you still can and take Antonio with you! Edit: Please ignore what I just said, and I'm sorry, I just reeeeeally don't like this Alma character and in my defense, other people hate her too so I initially felt comfortable posting this comment but now I regret it. I'm sorry. Edit 2: Yeah, I guess I was too hard on her, she does have her redeeming qualities, ok? She just makes it hard for me to like her but I know she changes, now I really want an Encanto series so I can see if she really changed 100%.

@@cintronproductions9430 Don't go looking for a pure evil grandmother if you don't need to.

I agree. Some ideas that could be explored in the series (with the success of this movie and the songs, it's less a matter of *if* and more a matter of *when*) include: Camilo not knowing who he is (which is why he might have gotten the ability to transform into other people), Dolores feeling second-best to Isabella (she might not outwardly express it, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be there), Pepa struggling with her bottled-up emotions, Antonio (just more Antonio), Bruno in isolation (and we need more of the rat telenovelas), and what happened during the rebuilding process for the house. Mind you, these are only some possible ideas. Any other ideas are welcome.

i dont know ... they kinda solved everything by realizing they have to be nicer to each other.. there's no much else in terms of a point or plot..

@@OmfgHiii You kidding? Seeing how Bruno reacts to having that cursed power back alone would make for at least one interesting episode, 'specially if they pick up some of the old ideas where his power would be physically draining. There are all the unexplored character dynamics between the family members! Like Camillo and Mirabell, who are basically the same age but barely interact. Is there a reason for that? Or Isabella and Dolores, who clearly wheren't on the best of speaking terms. Does mariano still have feelings for Isabella? Did he have any at all? How will the triplets interact now that Bruno is back? Does Abuella manage to not fall into old habits? How about general sibling dynamics? Identity crisis? Bruno and Dolores bonding? She could hear him all the time after all. And that's all just looking into future stuff! We could just as easily get a mini series looking at the PAST of the characters! It doesn't always need a big plot like the destruction of the world, or solving a mystery. The damage the family has doesn't go away just becouse they talked it out. But most importantly, a series can be way more focused on "slice of live" and character dynamics than a movie!

I dunno tbh. I kind of prefer stories like these to be left as standalone stories where it's purely up to viewers to interpret what things mean. It's sort of like monsters in horror where we hardly know anything about them, the more you know, the less interesting it gets, because there's less room for speculation. But that could just be my own interpretation.

I agree i think like 1 20min ep on each character like with a 2 day Interval would be better than another movie

twist good guy haha

villainize*

@@batflashzyzz y'know, vilify is actually the correct word here right? well, actually both words work fine and are both true to some extent, but you didn't need to correct them.

Twist unvillain!

Disney also did it with the Sky Riders in Solo: A Star Wars Story (which is pretty good and not as terrible as The Rise of Skywalker or as controversial as The Last Jedi). And they did it with Loki in the beginning of Infinity War. The audience is lead to believe that Loki is stabbing Thor in the back again as is typical for the God of Mischief, but it was a front for Loki to attempt to assassinate Thanos. Thanos caught on this almost instantly and gave Loki a gruesome death (by MCU standards).

she also felt responsible

I agree with this interpretation, and it's not like it's unreasonable! The miracle didn't come with an instruction manual, but one of the few things they absolutely know is that the miracle kicked in at the absolute last second to save everyone from a horrible violent death. Losing the miracle could be fatal to not just the Madrigal family but the entire community, and they have every reason to believe the candle is physically the miracle and not just a symbol of it, so the loss of the candle was a genuine existential threat.

Not to mention that she has a close bond with Casita and might have confused saving the candle with saving Casita's 'life'.

@@suitov The house had a personality, that thing was alive.

Good point, Loren.

yeah and the fact that rebuilding the house probly took 6 month to like 2 years because a) they don't have their gifts to help them and b) its the early to mid 1900s, they don't have the machinery we have today, even if the whole village's building it, its still a mansion thats probably the biggest house in the village. During that time frame they probs learned to live and love themselves a little more without thier gifts. it why it evoled when it came back to them, isa doing different plants, peppa making happy hail, luisa not even using it and taking a break, they can finally express themselves.

I agree. I was honestly a bit scared about that after the nth trailer where it basically said "Now Mirabel has to save the family". I thought that it would be this totally not cliché Great Adventure, where our protagonist finds out how special she really is. So I really liked that she didn't get a power at the end, because you don't have to be a genius to be valuable.

My knee-jerk reaction to it was annoyance at the whole "have your cake and eat it too" ending that some movies have, where the character "gives up" something to show their character growth, only to receive it again later as a reward for their growth. But after thinking about it more, this movie doesn't portray the powers as 100% positive things, and a lot of the characters either subtly or overtly show how the expectations and realities of the powers have had negative repercussions on their lives. The family's character growth wasn't through sacrificing their gifts, it was through admitting their insecurities that stemmed from them. The only character that COULD have had a sacrificial ending was Abuela, as she was so desperate to hold on to the magic that she was unable to see the damage she was causing under the family's surface, and needed to relinquish that hold to show her family the love they truly need. This could fit in with the "Maribel is the new conductor" theory that I really like, because it would let Abuela pass the baton to Mirabel and undergo that growth (which I believe she does to an extent at the end). I really like the subtle character beats that fly under the radar throughout the movie. The ending did feel a bit rushed, but there are so many little beats that deserve multiple rewatches to catch and understand.

@@utspaz849 yea ur right, i have a feeling they wanted to end it with them losing the magic, but they probably added it back to make the movie have a tv show potential, now that theres a chance that mirabel is the new matriach,. I feel like they'ed do a time skip for a new member of the family ( eg if delores has a kid) and mirabel will be the one giving the gift instead of alma

Mirabel's ending truely meant a lot to me as a disabled person. I've never related to a character's self worth issues so deeply than I have related to Mirabel's. It's so hard to grow up "normal" and then become disabled later on because people in your childhood have big big expectations and you don't end up fulfilling them. It shouldn't be embarrassing but it does feel that way when you're going through that because people pity you. Mirabel publicly not getting a gift and having to deal with it really mirrors that experience. Also, Mirabel finding her value without a gift honestly feels so so similar to my own journey of finding my role in my family when I cannot cook, clean, or bring money into the house like my other family members. I now know that I bring a lot of value to my family irregardless of my physical abilities but it took me many years to refind my value. I think that is very similar to the journey that Mirabel went on. I would have been heartbroken if Mirabel had received a gift in the end, because her story does truly mirror a disabled person's existence. And I'm sick of disabled people in movies only being able to find happiness when they are magically cured. Not everything can be cured and fixed, and it's important to show someone thriving even without the skills that society expected of them.

She's probably also gotten used to the background noise and can ignore most of it

Honeslty, I wouldn't be surprised if this is how the powers worked for the entire family. To a degree it's all with in their control, like Bruno doesn't always need to make a "vision" to see the future, like maybe he can just look at a person and just see something that's pretty immediate, like a goldfish dying or the Pastor going bald. It would also explain why Camilo's eyes turned green during his "We don't talk about Bruno" segment, because he saw his uncle make an on the spot prediction with his eyes glowing green and it frightened him.

She's probably capable of controlling it, but also too curious for her own good... So whenever something unusual comes along, she at least has to get a little peak

Yeah, I think so too. We see her having to directly concetrate to hear Marianos plans for his and Isabellas wedding. And fireworks don't make her unable to hear. I think she probably still has a better all around-all time hearing than most people, but she can probably somewhat limit it.

It definitely seems like she can control her hearing selectively now as an adult. But imagine poor 5 year old Dolores having absolutely no clue what she's hearing, and her mother and grandmother thinking she's lost her mind.

Also, the destruction of the room makes way for Antonio's comeback, as he offers his room for Bruno's ritual. So it had more narrative merit than at first glance.

@@vicentematias763 Good point!

Plus I love how in the beginning Mirabel was guiding him and in the end he was guiding her.

The scene of Mirabel getting the candle also led to the scene of the house protecting her, which not only was heart breaking (that house has so much personality!!) It really showed the bond between her and the casita. I also liked Bruno's room, plus some writers have explained that one of the reasons it looks that way is that it changed as Bruno isolated himself, which explains it being so hard to reach the top of the room.

Exactly! The only reason I’m happy they got their gifts back is because it meant the house didn’t die 😭

Abuela is the whole emphasis of trauma responses

Honestly, I think Abuela would have been fine if she had found out that Dolores liked Mariano before the movie's climax. I mean, Dolores has a gift too, so there still would be grandbabies with gifts.....

Not mocking or trying to call u out, but... did u get this theory from wotso videos?

That makes a lot of sense. Because imo Dolores could've been the golden child considering she's the same age as Isabella, soft spoken, and super gorgeous. I'm surprised there was no rivalry between the two.

@@kpbennett7743 I recall watching a video that brought up this theory, so maybe? But I also read TVTropes. A lot. Which I know reading the articles relating to it, especially "Fridge Brilliance," after seeing the movie during the holidays.

exactly, i don't really care about the source of magic, i just want a heartwarming colombian sitcom

Yeah kinda like that short with ummm oh god I forgot his name but the tall boi in Luca on disney plus.

SAME! I desperately hope they don't try to explain more of where the magic comes from. It ruined Frozen 2, and it would ruin this movie even worse. the best part of it is that you can interpret it so many ways, just like so many of the lyrics have many meanings at once. Expanding the lore of the magic would only hurt it.

I mean given how it exploded on Disney+, I think we could see a series for it. Which is fine.

I hope they do a series. Given the large cast I feel it's so much better suited for a series than a sequel film

No lie, while definitely not my favorite animated movie of all time, it was the most relieving in terms of subversions. Using Frozen as an example, it literally feels like Hans was shoehorned into the villain role out of nowhere, and the movie would've been better had his villain arc never existed Meanwhile, in Encanto we have multiple characters with perfect motivations to be evil in this movie and they weren't. No Bruno deciding to destroy the whole family, nor Isabela having some psychotic plans to keep herself perfect, nor Abuela abusing the family she fought so hard to keep. Not even Mariano being a scorned ex trying to exact revenge. Nobody was forced to be evil in this movie just to check off some cookie cutter plot points, and that alone was refreshing. The collective of subversions really does make this movie wonderful

Also, Mirabel is not a sulking ball of angst in spite of the fact that she honestly has every right to be one. It's so beautiful how much she loves her family, how proud of them she is, and stays genuinely positive while facing constant faliure to live up to expectations.

I would also like to add how they didn't remove Isabela's femininity when she was having that whole change. I feel like Isabela as a whole just breaks away from so many stereotypes we would've expected her to be

@@user-ej6os5jd9h I'm glad too. Actually there was a previous design of Isabela having a punk-rock look, and I feel that would have been an over-used trope? Don't get me wrong, I do love characters with that kind of design, and I prolly wouldn't have a problem if Isabela became like that in the movie, but its just refreshing and lovely to see that just because she's breaking her perfect image and embracing her true self, doesn't mean she's suddenly going to be the "masculine cool girl." I feel like that's become an over-used trope. She's still feminine by the end of the movie. It's abt how she's now unafraid to express herself and be who she wants to be.

Another great Isabela subversion was, after Bruno got his vision, I was afraid the whole rest of the movie was going to revolve around wAcKy hijinks trying to get the sisters to fulfill the hug prophecy... but then they actually resolve that a scene later! I was happy the ending didn't rely on the importance of mystic clairvoyance over familial bonds.

This is an amazing description of that scene

That's actually a brilliant interpretation

YES, i love this!

that's a really good interpretation of that scene

I never thought about that. You're right it was probably another huge factor in her realizing she was wrong. She just blamed Mirabel for not caring about this family, Mirabel told her her "we all love this family". Then several members go and risk their neck for what is basically the symbol and center of the family.

Bruh, I am autistic and sensitive to noise, so having Dolores' gift would be horrible to live with.

Hey fellow adhd person

I have adhd + autism so i’d hate her gift, though i do love dolores as a character.

I don’t have adhd but I agree

Imagine how horrifying it was for 5 year old Dolores to receive her gift. And how long it took her to adjust and swallow the huge "curse" she got lmao

Also it would arguably imply that the family can only funcion healthily when the individual members are NOT so special anymore, and they are just like everyone else.

But the point of the movie was that she wasn't special and that having too high of a standard for others around you can and will hurt them.

Another point the movie made was that the value the members of the family had wasn't from living up to expectations using their magic powers but because they're real people with their own self worth, having an ending where after a brief moment in which the family shined without magic and rebuilt their home without using a magic stick of wax and wicker, they're magically given they're magic back, makes that message weaker since nothing really changed in the family besides the abuela learning from her mistake and the members letting loose a bit. If they lost their magic and still shined as people whilst also rebuilding their lives after the loss of the casita, that would've been far more impactful than the neat and tidy classic Disney ending we got.

Loosing the magic would endanger the whole village now since the magic practically protected the place from outside invaders. Give it a few years and it will be attacked like Abuela's old home.

At the same time I would enjoy an ending where the powers are not given back because it would strenghten other themes. In particular I am talking about the value of community, healthy communication and confiding in others. For my particular reading I focus on the scene in which the township helps the madrigals rebuild the casita. To me it highlighted how the madrigals and the community surrounding them were never in a healthy relationship with one another, as the former felt like they needed to take the brunt of responsibility and continually stay a strong, unfaltering foundation for the town while the latter never had the understanding of how vulnerable the madrigals were and inadvertanly relied on them too much and put pressure on them to keep up. With the family losing all of their powers ,they were cast down from the venerated position they were sitting on previously and the township no longer had that foundation of their special abilities to rely on. Except, instead of crumbling, they were the ones to actually help lift the family up, working with them to rebuild the casita, which in itself can be interpreted as a stand-in for the miracle itself, showing that the miracle was never the power but the bonds that kept them all together. This works at the family dynamic, but I think a further emphasis should've been done on how the madrigals were not on their own and how their work and dedication to those around them helped foster a community that could stand on its own and, if need be, support those who have contributed so much of themselves to it in turn. By having the powers return to the madrigals, to me this personally narratively cheapens that moment since it's a soft return to the status quo, once again putting the madrigals on this pedestal through special gifts, while the community around them feels more isolated and less relevant once again. But hey, that's just my take on things and, frankly, I think either idea for the ending works fine, since the movie hits those same notes anyway, just in a different "proportion". And I may also just be tired of similar endings in media and wish that more of them would make it a point that whatever was lost cannot be returned and that's alright.

Bingo 👍

I like how you put it

Yes, that’s how I read it. Because she’s been blaming the cracks on Mirabel all along - if the house just fell down after a screaming argument, she’d still blame it on Mirabel. But nearly losing her - being unable to protect her when she risks her life in an attempt to save the miracle (I love that you can hear Abuela’s panic when she’s calling her) - is exactly what makes her realize that she’s forgotten who the miracle is for. She was desperate to preserve the miracle to protect her family, but now her granddaughter is in danger protecting the miracle. That’s what realigns her priorities.

@@bookcat123 Exactly, just one thing, when I said "I read another interpretation" I meant literally, as in I saw this idea on someone else's post, don't remember who they were, but I did not come with this on my own, though I wish I could. I not looking to be mean, I just felt I would be lying if I didn't clarify that.

I mean, the banditos or whatever that killed Abuela's hubby and destroyed their old home in the flashback sure seem like villains.

The entire song is just so incredible, but my favorite parts of WeDontTalkAboutBruno would be Dolores and Camilo. The best sound in the movie is Dolores' high pitched "hmm" though. Also, you are the best, Animagician!

I agree, I mean, hasn't she suffered enough? I'm not saying that justifies her actions, but after she realises what she's done and apologises, what more punishment do you need? she just saw her second home get destroyed, which she got after losing her first home and her husband, and she realises its her fault... just how painful must that be? I don't see a need to guilt her any further, that would be just hurting for hurting, not to heal. Plus, in the movie they make a point of not taking away her blame, they just don't dwell on it, because that would be pointless and more hurtful, Mirabel doesn't tell her "you didn't break the family", she says she didn't break anything that couldn't be fixed, and the abuela knows, she has to live with what she's done, but as long as she learns from it and changes her attitude for the better then you don't need to punish any further, her own guilt and past suffering its punishment enough. if she has acted that way its precisely because she of all she's suffered, what she needs is help and love, not punishment. I think people are just used to having a "standard" villain that gets punished at the end, but I love this movie, the biggest villain was generational trauma and lack of communication.

"I suspect it's a generational thing to want Alma punished." I'm really curious what exactly you mean by this, please elaborate. Here's a few different meanings I got from it: *There are some people who feel like a story must have a villain. They are not understanding the point of the movie- they see it as a "good guy beats bad guy" rather than the more complex family-oriented plot that it is. This is a generational thing because most movies have villains, even when it is unnecessary to the message (Frozen, Zootopia, just any movie with a bad twist villain, really). *There are some people who want Alma punished because they have dealt with a person like her. This is a generational thing because family issues are far more common than they should be. You say these people must grow up because their want to see Alma punished and in pain is stemmed from their own pain, and that they are lashing out in anger, when the correct choice is for everyone to try to heal. This group may also include those who thought Alma apologizing was unrealistic and surprising since they do not often see the Almas of their lives admitting mistakes without basically being forced to. I'm assuming it's the first one, since that makes a bit more sense given the rest of your comment (and I just saw an example of the first in another thread), but the second idea intrigues me and is interesting to think about as I may slightly fall into that group (though not enough for me to consider the ending at all wrong and I loved it a lot).

I just love how people want characters that make simple mistakes to be so harshly "punished", yet Captain MAGA from Falcon and the Winter Solider deserved a pass because "the pressure, you guuuuuuysssss!!!" Qwhite telling what people's thresholds are 🤔

This. This is a perfect explanation of the scene.

Man, you said it better than I've heard so far

@@KigerStudios Exactly. And my mom's from Central America and reminds me of her at times

Agreed! This is exactly how I interpreted it. There is a lot of storytelling going on in that moment - the road cracks in half first, because the Madrigal's help hold the community together and their division divides the community. Then it splits between Abuela and Mirabel, showing their division. Pepa sees the candle will fall first and yells in fear, but it takes Mirabel leading to spur the other members of the family into action. They all focus on the candle because they've been taught that the inanimate object is what keeps their family together - not their love and respect for each other. While Mirabel and the others are focused on the candle, Felix's look only towards Pepa. Isabella catches Abuela as she stumbles. Abuela is frozen in fear, because she has always controlled everything by planning and can't react to the unexpected head on. Felix tells them to leave, after grabbing Antonio - because he cares about his wife and son more than the miracle, and Julieta and Agustin only cares about Mirabel in the moment. The picture of Abuelo - who sacrificed himself for the family - falls before the house. And ultimately, Bruno's tower crushes the house below it.

That's really a good explanation.

Wrong

@@RealistRatRace Wrong in what way? Please actually explain your reasoning.

@@RealistRatRace how come?

I was intrigued by the concept of a family having gifts but one of them not getting one from the very first trailer. Lucky I didn't watch the promotional material 10s of times so I was surprised by most of what this movie had to offer.

And one of the most overrated

Wow! I never actually thought of that! U hav 200 IQ brane

@@caelincoolz5814 brain*

@@agatethegreat9135 Ha ha! I know. I misspelled on purpose.

I think you’ve betrayed yourself as french haha

Not being available to keep some secrets, but keeping huge ones is a coping mechanism. The logic behind those people is "if they think I can't keep one, then they'll never even wonder if I'm hiding something"

Camilo was the one pretending to be Dolores for seconds, but other than that, yea I agree

@@dwoktheraynejonsohn4849 yeah, but maybe there was a reason why Camilo chose *dolores* of all people in order to sneak food. If Dolores sneaks food to Bruno, it’s possible she often takes a lot of extra food at mealtimes, and over time the rest of the family would start assuming she just has a big appetite or something. Would explain why Mirabel doesn’t question the amount of food ‘Dolores’ had on her plate at the time.

@@Sparkletta I thought she just didn't have her first serving yet and Camilo was "taking" hers

In the song she not only doesn't say anything bad about him, she kind of explains it all even. Like "they didn't understand his prophecies, so they began to fear and ostracize him" Implying she actually does not fear him, unlike all the others

ooh ooh but what about her little "hmm" squeak before/after she speaks?

tf are you doing here Animagician

@@rafaelalbiter6923 Watching a video, probably.

I'm sorry, but no. For me, it HAS to be Camilo's verse.

Yes! Exactly! I love them and await them every single time I listen to We Don't Talk About Bruno

one thing they share is an ability to see things as they are. Bruno sees the future for better or worse, and Mirabel is the only one to notice the problems in her family (first the cracks in the house, then why they exist). This is alluded to in their character design: Bruno's eyes glow green when he's seeing the future, which parallels the green in Mirabel's glasses. It's also no wonder they're both outcasts, in a family that's hiding so much pain. One that's so dismissive or afraid of the truth.

I also subscribe to the interpretation that seeing her grandchildren risked their lives to save a candle was the final nail Abuela needed to see the extent of the damaged she’d done

Agreed! I can picture Casita being there to comfort her after she hadn't received her gift, or being her only playmate before Antonio was born (because the rest of the family was busy).

Casita helps other family members throughout the movie (acting as a treadmill for Luisa, giving Dolores steps during We Don't Talk About Bruno, everything during Antonio's ceremony, breaking Camilo and Isabela's fall when the house is collapsing, etc.) but Mirabel is the only one who talks to Casita, aside from Abuela. Presumably, only Mirabel and Abuela, having non-magical rooms, can interact with Casita all the time, so the house probably knows them better than everyone else.

according to Jared bush, if I remember correctly, casita can influence other rooms. The only reason it couldn't influence bruno's room was because he abandoned it, hence why it fell into disrepair.

@@tinymittensdesign I think he wanted it to go away, so Casita stopped repairing it.

Encanto seems like the perfect catalyst for a TV series. Each episode focusing on a different family member's struggle, as well as how maybe townsfolk or heck even outsiders interact with the family.

@@badoe7138 and expanding on relationships between other members too in the family

I think it'd be cute if in Luisa's quest to learn how to relax she goes looking for a teapot, and she meets a cute potter girl and found friendship and more if Disney had the balls to do an actual LGBTQIA character that isn't just a flyby blink and you'll miss them person. . I am just stating a small headcannon that I'm not even going to die on, I think that making any character LGBTQIA+ would be a great step forward. And no it doesn't need to be Luisa. I said her based off of the fact that my girlfriend is built like her where as I'm built small and soft looking. So it's a bit of projection, I'dove for Disney to actually have the balls to put in a good variety of LGBTQIA characters of all shapes and sizes.

Honestly I’d love that, maybe each character gets an episode

Well good news because there’s rumors of this exact thing happening with Pepa’s and Félix’s family.

Abuela WAS punished, she had to see her family (which she loved dearly) be hurt, and realise it was because of her. To me, that's enough punishment for her, because it's enough for her to change her ways.

@@jonnybuijze1770 Especially when we consider that all she ever wanted was to protect her family and the home she built for them, only to find out that her expectations hurt them more than anything else.

To be fair, as a Colombian I feel like we as a society have a tendency to forgive our elders’ abuse because they’ve gone through so much. Abuela is both a victim and an abuser at the same time.

Same sort of crowd who probably believes people should be cancelled for saying the wrong thing, even years ago or for believing different things to them. Vindictive, pathetic, projecting.

That's a good analogy you used there

I loved this, myself. It's also why I don't understand comments from people who think Pepa is adopted. Did they not see the newborn with red hair? Genetics are cool because they can offer surprises sometimes.

It felt nice to me too. I’m not hispanic, but Indian, and for some reason we’re always represented as having incredibly dark skin in western media. I’m not saying some of us don’t have dark skin or that that’s a bad thing, but there are loads of fair skinned Indians (my mother and brother, for example) and it WOULD be nice to see a fair, or atleast lighter skinned non stereotypical Indian in media.

@@Sparkletta But doesnt Bollywood push the light skinned ppl in the movies...without the darker skinned peers? I would think that the latter feels seen..aftet soooo many years.

@@DeeDiamond2981 yeahhh so theres basically zero balance. On one hand there is western media with all indians being dark, and then theres my own fricking country where the dumb colonialist concept of 'fair skin >> dark skin' still prevails, and honestly, i now think western media is doing better 😭

This

Exactly! I wonder if she missed the symbolism of bruno's room

Also, we know that the family members can shape their rooms to an indeterminate extent (Isabela replacing all the roses with native tropical plants) and that Bruno's room used to be right next to his sisters'. I'm guessing his room just slowly became a lonely tower in the far corner of the house as he started to feel more and more isolated. It also probably has a lot to do with his reluctance to use his power; if his room is a pain in the ass to get to, no one will come looking for prophecies.

Also it shows, and can symbolically represent, what happens when a family member is ostracized. When he left to protect Mirabel, Bruno's room started dying. I think it was very deliberately set up to have a similar scale and features to Antonio's room, but whereas Antonio's room is vibrant and fun and full of life, Bruno's is slowly falling apart, and Mirabel only gets the prophecy out as it crumbles to nothing.

I think part of the purpose of the room was also to help build up Bruno's mysterious, frightening reputation.....only for our expectations to be completely dashed, and for him to turn out to be this dorky, loving guy who was just as tall as Mirabel.

Same

Oh, and I think it would be a great musical theatre show

Yea

As long as it's well done. Otherwise, it risks undermining what was a fantastic movie. Sometimes, you get too many answers to things better left mysterious, and that detracts from re-watches of the original movie.

What's wrong with luca I love that movie too

@@randon19yearold I mean disney, not pixar. Ralph 2, Frozen 2, Raya were mixed

@@randon19yearold Luca is a Pixar film

@@metalskulkbanepl161 Ohhh, true.

@@metalskulkbanepl161 Ralph breaks the internet was Disney’s way of saying ‘see how much cool stuff we own!’ and completely killed Ralph’s character. Frozen 2 had a confusing plot where Elsa is somehow the fifth spirit, yet ice is just another form of water, which is ALREADY an element....sooo? Raya had stunning visuals, but was incredibly forgettable somehow. Oh and the music. The goddamned awful music 💀

Which is what is nice about the inclusion of 'Human Again'. ...The first time I saw Beauty and the Beast, I spent the entirety of 'Be Our Guest' on edge, expecting Beast to come bursting in and furiously disrupt everything at the end of the song.

it is. you think that because it is.

It would have made me feel especially sad about Isabella, who only now discovered what she can do with her gift. Permanently losing it shortly after she finally figured it out would have been awful.

I think getting their powers back makes sense if you view them as a metaphor for having special skills. When everything is a mess, they lose their confidence and joy in using those skills, but when the family heals, those skills are still there!

I agree. Sometimes, the most truest apologies are being proven through actions, and letting the actions speak rather than words. We got enough of that in her final moments and the final song. It's all fine.

Maybe abuela is the miracle after all

The best apology is changed behavior, and that is EXACTLY what the end of this movie gets us. That's why I CANNOT STAND criticisms from entitled viewers who say nonsense like they hate the grandmother's character/that she didn't apologize enough/wasn't punished enough/wasn't "held accountable"/etc. ESPECIALLY when said criticism comes from people who are not POC. Ohhh so you think Abuela Madrigal was unforgivable for yelling at Mirabel ONCE??? Wait until you hear about what most of our latin american and/or immigrant parents did to us on a regular basis.

A lot of it comes from (and I say this as a white person) white folk who are projecting and looking at it from an Entitled American perspective, and being too stupid that they can't take clear context clues from a WHOLE MUSICAL NUMBER and need to be spoonfed an apology conga line like toddlers. Non-verbal communication is just as valid as verbal communication.

@@tinymittensdesign YES to everything you said! ❤️

Also (thanks to that tik tok going around) my headcanon is that she REALLY wants to know what's going on in those rat tellanovelas. (Also she's likely been the one feeding him and her keeping that ONE BIG secret makes it hard not to keep any others.)

Yeah but I don’t think Dolores would have seen him trying to go into the walls, because at the end she says “I knew he never left I heard him every day” so why wouldn’t she say that she’d seen him leave? It also makes more sense that Dolores could just hear Bruno in the walls, because of her gift

She also would have been a little girl of about 8 years old. That's quite a heavy burden to place on one young child while the whole reason behind wanting to hide out is to protect another child.

I'm a bit lost as to what she means jump cuts with follow through. Is it because they are quick transformations. I'm not sure what's being pointed out I guess

@@romanruano1369 They literally change character models from one frame to the other. That's what she means that they are jumpcuts. And for the follow through she means like if Dolores' hair is pulled up then they pull Camillo's hair up too and pet it fall. Also he uses turns to hide the transformation and he overshoots those most of the time so you won't know when in the turn exactly the model switch happens.

Iirc she even says it on their confrontation. "I've been struck being perfect my whole entire life and literally all you do is MESS, IT, UP!"

Yeah, I got that feeling too. I mean, I don't think Mirabel messes up intentionally, or even particularly big things. But as the older sibling, you do kind of have that responsibility to "look after your sibling". So when a 4 year old Mirabel pushes over the jar of sugar while Isa is in the room, it would be Isabellas fault. Mirabel getting hurt with Isabella around: Isabellas fault. Mirabel not getting her chores done: Isabellas faut. Becouse Isabella is the older, and should know better, and look after her siblings becouse she is the perfect big sister and role model. And the older you get, the more that spirals, and the more you think them messing up reflects onto you, even if it doesn't actually.

actually, according to the book, the reason Isabela was mean to Mirabel was because she was jealous that Mirabel didn't have a gift and didn't have to go through so many expectations the way she did, which I find very interesting

Maybe so, but with the proposal.... Mariano could have just tried proposing again later right? Not every couple has a perfect proposal moment, and isn't the marriage the most important thing??

@@DrawciaGleam02 well in the first place, isa didnt even want to get married to mariano. so in her mind, she was probably just thinking "lets get this overwith" but because maribel caused so much ruckus now isa has to deal with the stress of getting married AND dealing with maribel. it also doesnt help that everyone expects her to do/be everything perfectly first time without failure so a lot of her frustration got projected to maribel

Mirabel went on whole adventure without ever leaving the house that's what's so amazing about casita.

@@bichen-up-ur I agree, it feels big even with the relatively small environment.

@@migidsvideos Yes, even the walls were a new setting on itself. I wish we could have seen more rooms, since they are bigger on the inside.

That's actually most classic telenovelas do... They disect characters left and right in 3-5 sets. Usually 2 or 3 houses at most

I love how Casita shuffles the adults out and helps Camillo and Isabella as their powers fail.

Same.

Big same

People still refer to it as Asperger’s? I generally just refer to it as ASD when talking about myself. Though, of course, people can refer to it however they want as long as it’s not offensive.

@@Lemural actually aspergers was named after a n*zi scientist who used it to separate the "good" autistic people from the "bad" autistic people.

@@Arkantolas I forgot about that. I've always said I have asperger's but with this in mind I think it's time for that to change.

Same, dude. "I'm pretty sure I'm worthless if I can't be of service" K.O.

@@thedorkknight9684 oof, I felt that one

Yeah, same. I feel like I'm nothing if I'm not smart enough. After all, what else do I have to offer? Certainly not charisma or athleticism.

@@thedorkknight9684 You are.

@@KicksPregnantWomen ?

I think "be out guest" is a great way to show that while the Idea of servants as living furniture is a nightmarish concept - the actual characters are still just people, and are friendly - much like the beast himself. Like, the average person would Freak the Fck out if the chair they were sitting in came to life + started speaking, and that's without knowing it used to be a human but was cursed into its current form. So "be our Guest" is both a lighthearted + fun song for fun + levity's sake, AND an important piece of the moral/plot - that things/people that appear scary/terrifying at first sight can be more than their surface appearance.

@@doctorwholover1012 I wholeheartedly agree

Also gives Belle a reason to think that the servants are welcoming and nice people and that this whole new setting is not hostile to her, which starts the process to eventually warm up to Beast.

It's a Jaguar not a tiger

They got away with it by just moving all their faraway lands indoors, and completely breaking reality as needed. Notice how nobody asks what actually happened during "Pressure"?

@@juststatedtheobvious9633 I interpret the songs (probably besides "What Else Can I Do which does literally occur) as Mirabel's 'gift': she's seeing the emotional state of those around her and reality warps to convey that message. Whether they're non-diegetic (and are therefore only occur to portray those emotions to us the audience) or they are part of Mirabel's ability to see people, most of them do not occur literally. In the real world of the film, "Surface Pressure" is probably a short conversation or maybe a 'Vulcan mind meld '-type deal between the sisters, idk.

Agreed. I'd say even she is capable in that instance exactly because she grew up without powers. Probably she was not given powers specifically so there's someone around who doesn't fall apart without powers.

Yes, the director Jared Bush basically confirmed this on his Twitter.

You lyin’ 🤭😲 If not, I’m jealous!!!

Luuuuucky!

that's incredible.

@@sophieheid4464 I’m serious. Her name is Adassa. We been Twitter friends since October. She followed me because of my bio on Twitter.

WHAAAAAAAAT?!

Honestly, in Mirabel's case it happened because of Abuela's harsh words.....

Lol, that’s just Camilo being a teen. I’m loud and cheerful around other people...around my family I speak exactly like how he does around his.

People didn't really see the family for the people in it, they saw them for their magical gifts and not much else, and that extended to the family members as well, not just Abuela. I would think the family learned this behavior from Abuela, but she's not the only piece of the problem the family has going on in this movie. She's in a sense not even the true source of the problem either, but we don't really learn that until we see just how much trauma she's been keeping buried and unresolved all these years. Like people were so focused on Bruno's gift they weren't willing to take the time to actually determine if he was telling the future or just making an awkward joke or obvious statement of observation. They were also focused on the wrong aspect of his gift too, as if his future sight was what made that event happen, rather than just being warned the event was always going to happen anyway and that they should be preparing themselves for what comes after. There's a lot to break down and look at in this movie and its characters.

I agree, its the irony of can hear anything, but people tend not to listen. Especially when she says she hears Bruno in the present tense at least twice in We don't talk about bruno.

I honestly thought she referred to the "Man of her dreams" in that moment, and since she can hear the entire village, everyone else might have thought that, too. After all, that's the moment Mariano's approaching.

Oh yeah she even asks Mirabel if she understands

I think because she can hear Bruno she knows he's not the villain everyone makes him out to be and keeps quiet so she doesn't reveal he still lives there.

Hell, isabela + Mirabel spend 5 minutes dancing around + growing flowers together and it ends with isabela saying "you're a bad influence" when all Mirabel did was say "hey, those are YOUR powers - do whatever you want with them! As long as you aren't actively hurting people, grow what you like! Why not?" Isabela was almost certainly told to avoid Mirabel (the family failure) once she failed to get a gift - either out of fear mirabel's lack of gift would affect her, or just because Mirabel isn't seen as being useful or valued or helpful. I bet there's also precedent within the family for Isabela + Luisa needing to cover for Mirabel when she messes up to avoid Abuela's reactions, so isabela probably built up resentment that not only did Mirabel get to be and do whatever she wanted, but she also managed to avoid consequences via her + Luisa's gifts, while Isabela (as the oldest) likely got a lot less support/backup. Isabela is also the oldest, so she is both the one setting the standard for the sisters AND responsible as the oldest to Lead by Example + do things For the Family (arranged marriage etc) instead of for herself.

That would be great, my idea for that scene would be something like "Your Fault" from Into The Woods, with every family member getting a line about how they feel pressured by Abuela's expectations, building up to everyone all singing at the same time, louder and louder, until they get interrupted by the house breaking

yeah wearing 1 outfit on different days was rough, when we're kids watching cartoons we just have an extra good sense of time or something lol

As someone who didn't see that trailer--no expectations. Avoid trailers as an adult, man, it's not worth it (they spoil way too much anyway).

@@carlotta4th These were ads I was seeing on tv, so unfortunately kinda unavoidable! I don't often watch trailers on their own

And they undersold how original the movie was, like, it really just made the movie look like your average disney adventure movie like Moana or Tangled except colombian, no disrespect to those movies but considering how this narrative structure is kinda new for disney you'd think they'd let people know about it in the trailers

The marketing almost turned me away from it. The "epic adventure" that was teased made me think that this was a generic, run-of-the-mill Disney movie. I might have never bothered had Schaffrillas productions not given it a glowing review.

that's why my only voluntary exposure to this movie before watching it was the teaser and the first 30 seconds of we don't talk about bruno

I kind of thought into the unknown beat Let it Go, along with the other song Elsa sanged in the second Frozen movie.

'We don't talk about Bruno' is stuck in my head

I mean like, they did reference let it go in the movie itself

@@saphirawinters7028 the songs in frozen 2 just kinda came and went. they did not really have any cultural impact, especially compared to let it go, or even we don't talk about bruno.

@@jclkaytwo Agree about some of the songs, however Show Yourself, Into The Unknown and Next Right Thing are the most powerful Disney songs for me. They hold deep emotion. Didn't really like any of Encanto's song except parts of We Don't talk About Bruno because they just don't have the emotional weight.

So they expected a film presenting magic gifts, magic doors, and a magic house yo be at the same level of realism as The Breadwinner? Yeah, they're asking too much.

No hate on your comment, just to provide another perspective. I think the thing about it is, is that abuelas gut wrenching story about being displaced by war, death, and hardship is still going on in Colombia. Of course they’re not going to do that in a Disney movie, but many people aren’t going to think about the fact that it’s still happening because of the way that the movie is framed. I could understand why people would be mad about that, especially if it is their home. I understand what you mean in terms of it being a kids movie and a Disney one at that, but Colombian people who are experiencing that trauma are allowed to be upset

@@kate0330 It is an understandable conclusion, but by the way the comments were done, plus considering the public profile of some of the vocal haters, the chances of them feeling personally aggravated by the depiction of vilence were low. Nobody really elaborated on the vagueness of the violence protrayed, the nearly universal complain was just a "Dumb movie, where are the guerrillas/paramilitary/cartels"

@@kate0330 man, that is dumb af.

@@katiaotero2392 thats fine, you can feel that way. Once again just providing a different perspective.

And also married to someone who wasn't afraid to put up with her rainy days, just like a real, authentic marriage.

I'm disturbed by the fact that Dolores KNEW HE WAS THERE and just accepted that now Tio Bruno lives inside the walls - or accepted that there was nobody she felt safe telling about that. Although I would think that Mirabel's mother would be a good person to confide in. Maybe she realized he didn't want to talk to anyone, but it's still creepy and weird that he was spying on his own family through the peepholes, unable to join, too scared to make himself known. This was a truly abnormal situation and they just passed over all the pain it must have caused both Bruno and the niece who never dared to tell what she heard.

That aspect is kind of true...we never do see any onscreen apology from the rest of the family’s side. We could’ve atleast got an apology from Abuela, who pretty much just hugs Bruno, and that’s that.

But it's believable that due to their family dinamics that didn't happen, abuela is the matriarch of the family and no one ever questions or confronts her. It happens not just because of fear, also because they love and respect her, but in the end this creates a situation in which she can never be wrong and because she's never confronted, her character evolves in this way. Only when Mirabel is pushed to an emotional breaking point is when abuela is talked back for the first time ever, while the rest of the cast still are processing happening and are not in a mental state to start arguing with abuela. Only Bruno later gathers up the courage to go defend Mirabel. So I think it's justified that the fight hadn't been between the adults, which have the family dinamics much more embroided into their minds and need to make a bigger effort to question them. Also I don't see how the village has mistreated Mirabel.

@@vancesirron9170 One of the villagers has a full conversation with Mirabel about how disappointed everyone was in her ceremony.

@@tomemeornottomeme1864 That's not mistreatment. People are allowed to feel how they feel. They weren't disappointed in her, just the ceremony since it ended up being anti-climactic.

@@tomemeornottomeme1864 tbh, I think he was just trying to make her feel better in a weird way by giving her something special...but sort of ruined the effect by making her feel even more out of place

I honestly wish they'd be given all the time it needs to develop a really good series though. Tangled the Series came 7 years later after Tangled the film cause they have to think of a decent narrative. While Encanto has more promising sequel or series potential as quickly as Tangled, but I'd hate it if they suddenly released Encanto the series feeling like it has to be done cause popular demand.

Please, CinemaSins is super entertaining to watch, but on no account should it be used as proper criticism.

@@Sparkletta No offense, but CinemaSins is only entertaining if you have absolutely zero media literacy or sense of humor. Especially considering Jeremy is 100% taking it seriously. Like it's genuinely just "why aren't they explaining this thing for an hour" followed by "skip" every time things are explained and the rest is just repetitve shitty jokes of the "this scene does not contain a lap dance" variety. But I guess if you find extreme sexism, pedophilic jokes and straight up being objectively wrong all the time entertaining, then I guess you do you.

@@gamingsheepy6981 I don’t find the last few things funny at all...I used to watch his content ages ago, and most of that stuff flew over younger me’s head. All I wanted to convey was that people seriously shouldn’t use his content as proper criticism, or let if effect the way they view a movie, cause, as you said, it’s basically shitty jokes about irrelevant things and whatnot for the purpose of entertainment. Sorry you interpreted my comment that way

@@gamingsheepy6981 sjw

@@gigachadcooper7381 Using sjw unironically in 2022 like it's 2014. You should be a writer for CS with that level of creativity.

Yea I think that's why I don't like the movie much since I'm not the child who gets pressured even the plot just feels boring to me

I didn't relate to a lot of it but still found it very enjoyable

No. I disagree. I didn't like it because it took a very realistic problem with toxic families and dumbed it down to that "if you try hard enough everyone will change and like you". It doesn't happen like that in real life and people need to get away from their toxic families.

@@hafuketo9458 Dude, you need to draw a line between someone beeing maliciusly toxic, and someone just accidentaly doing bad things. The movie works becouse non of the family members (okay, besides Isa, maybe) where intentionally malicious or trying to harm the other. They just didn't know the impact they had on others. Like, the howl damage of the Madrigal family can be boiled down to the phrase "Make your family proud"! THAT'S why the solution (while I still dislike Mirabels little speach to Abuela) makes sense. People can CHANGE once they realice and accept that they screwed up. That's why comunication is so important in live. Nothing will change if one never talks things out and just goes "piece, I'm out, you suck".

@@aniflowers1998 Well, to me it seems like she has spent the better part of her life sucking up to everyone and it hasn't worked. I agree that they are not malicious, but that doesn't mean they are good for each other. The movie has a lot of good point going for it showing the different issues the family members has due to pressure from others. My main issue was with how everything was solved in the end and it seemed like everything was good now. Maybe if they make a sequel they can explore how NO, everything is just surface level ok but there are still a bunch of stuff that needs to be fixed before the healing can really start.

Yes! It was weird and no one in my family understood it, but I got huge MTR vibes!

Actually yeah, I forgot about Meet the Robinsons and how it has a whimsical family too.

It's more of an anti-thesis to Meet the Robinsons. Where the Robinsons are a wacky, eccentric family who happens to invent great ideas and know they are imperfect, the Madrigals try to be this wise, mysterious family who use their gifts to keep the town safe but are hiding their many flaws and insecurities.

Yup, that's mostly what's behind realismo mágico, an exaggerated version of something rooted in reality

Fits them perfectly

And in English it sounds like the word 'magical' which is neat.

I was honestly just hoping for one of the non magical family members to call grandma out on her crap. Mirabelle's dad kinda did but not soon enough for me.

@@catandrobbyflores Mirabel's mom did very early into the movie, she told Alma to be nicer to her

@@catandrobbyflores well, take it from their point of view. Abuela is the strict, no nonsense matriarch, and generally you don’t talk back to the matriarch. Plus, both were married into the family, making them almost like outsiders in way.

What’s funny is the theory that she rubbed the miracle off when she wiped her hands after touching the candle. It was debunked by Disney saying that’s not the reason why she doesn’t have a gift BUT has no one ever thought that Mirabel BECAME the gift because she wiped her hands on herself?? Like the magic transferred onto herself because the candle was rubbed on her?? Hopefully that makes sense to you. So she didn’t lose a gift. She BECAME the gift because she touched herself right after touching the candle.

Abuela also talks to the house

@@idek7438 it’s been awhile since I’ve watched but isn’t it implied that abuela is talking more to her husband than the house?

@@sarahprince2412 i think I saw the creator himself say that its because mirabel's hands are sweaty when she's nervous

Camillo is so underrated.

@@disneyvillainsfan1666 i actually think camilo is quite popular in the fandom and whenever people talk about their favorite characters, camilo is always on the list. for good reason tho, i love camilo

S E V E N F O O T F R A M E

@@birdjuice7334 just because he’s popular doesn’t mean he’s underrated. To me he’s not popular enough. But that’s just me.

@@Anonymous_Individual ???

Colombia*

@@sarahe.recalde8382 Thanks for pointing that out, my bad

@@legokid1902 Is fine dude, thank you! I also like your fun fact ;)

Is it weird that I already knew about the madrigal song style from Gilbert & Sullivan’s _The Mikado_ ?

YES!!! We Don't Talk About Bruno may be more catchy, but there was just so, so much going on in Surface Pressure. I really loved how emotional the singer's voice was as well, it literally makes me tear up every time I hear it

If only she had an actual personality to go along with it

My idea for that scene would be something like "Your Fault" from Into The Woods, with every family member getting a line about how they feel pressured by Abuela's expectations, building up to everyone all singing at the same time, louder and louder, until they get interrupted by the house breaking.

good point

Pepa and Julieta I understand. Some people really do age that well. But you’d think a guy living like Bruno would look far older due to stress and possible malnutrition.