No they aren’t

@@louisbeerreviews8964 Yes they are

no, other way around, that's why verstapping is sent a la carcel

Man of culture 🫡

@@kristalic And Lewis too because we all know he’s always so shameless with his cheating, like when he sent Roscoe to attack Piastri.

Engineering limitation? You still don't understand. Try again.

it's definitely still a tolerance, it doesn't have to be a cone

​@@Look_What_I_Did"...but *not* because it's an engineering limitation in the end," Keyword: not

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I have to agree with you, love how in depth he went 🤝🏼🙌🏻

@@mattamysDorime 🐶🙏

All that effort to explain so little 😂

same on karting tracks.

came here to say its for timing strips. plenty examples all over the motorsport world of taking advantage of a single strip at the Start/Finsh line@@AndrewTSq

Potentially! Using that coffee filter to his full advantage

​@@mattamysthis made me laugh so much

Thank you!

Thanks!

Glad you like them!

@@tjsr yeah, I get that the motorsport ones are battery or direct powered because they can. We just call them transponders cos that's what they're marketed as 🙂 Passively powered or triggered like Bibtag would certainly save having to persuade drivers and riders to charge them though...

Exactly.

What about? 😂

No. not 2 receivers

It would be the same, cause it's further back you start the lap later and finish it later, cause C is more forward it starts the lap earlier and finishes it earlier, shouldn't be a lap time difference. I'd assume it's more for Balance/weight distribution reasons

@@ryandavies7978 yeah. The unique difference would be in a photo finish, side by side, if one car has it on the C position would have advantage over that who has it on the A/B position

Perhaps it's because the driver can't see the floor directly in front of them very well - there's a tech talk video on the official F1 channel about this - which means that it might be tricky to accurately attempt to use this loophole. Also, the potential marginal gains might also be outweighed by the fact that penalties are given for not parking in a place where the transponder can detect the car.

@@abigailcooling6604 Yeah, this season has had quite a few drivers complaining about visibility (all areas). I believe they have extended the yellow line on the grid to aid them lining up. Listen to this one: Going to be honest here, I’m not 100% sure on the details so I’m sure someone will amend the story. I’m not sure which season it was but teams had figured out that the starting lights emitted a tone/frequency which meant they knew when the lights would go green. Eventually, the FIA found out but said nothing. So at the next race they changed the tone/frequency but kept the old one. When it came to lights out, they delayed the green but triggered the old tone/frequency. This meant anyone who were cheating y using that tone set off before the greens and the FIA identified all the cheaters. If I remember correctly, it was 3/4 of the teams.

I dont think ít works as explained in the video; Yes, there would be a cone, but, more importantly, they can measure if the field (flux) is changing or stationary. Just like at the pitstop: time 'starts' when the transponder is stationary in the field, and stops when it moves. That's also how the exact time at the passing loops are calculated: when a transponder approaches a loop, it sends out it id multiple times, with the best amplitude (quite) right over the loop. With multiple measuremenst, you get a bell curve, with the highest amplitude corresponding with the center of the antennae loop.

not accurate enough. track limits is mostly camera based. and motogp uses a system with embedded optical fibers outside the curbs

Already done a video all about the cameras in my last previous video!

@@mattamys thanks! you sure did! Now that i've watched it I'm only hungry for more. I do broadcasts for a local track so this is super interesting to me.

Yes we met whilst out there, lovely lad!

I believe C is the only realistic spot they can be placed, and the regulations show the positions for ALL transponders - and although I don’t know the exact details, I can imagine the FIA show the location of the beacon in the grid box as standard, so makes sense for teams to place them in the same spot!

Who else made a video about this?

who said, they doesn´t have this system?

I didnt realise that F1 used AMB too. I use it all the time at Knockhill (as MSA National Race timekeeper). Good to know!

@@kylegordon Yup. Most large racing organizations use AMB/Mylaps but they code their own software to interface with the Pro hardware instead of using the default software distributed.

@@gks7424oh interesting. I have some code, somewhere, from about ten years ago, that uses the scoreboard feed from Orbits to process a leaderboard. I had high hopes of pushing it as an automated twitter feed of running order or similar, but it went nowhere. If I recall rightly the same protocol could be used to drag data out of the X2 server or decoders.

The only thing I know about race timing is that those professionals are the most stressed people at the race and its a truly thankless job.

@@ColoradoStreaming usually sustained by unhealthy amounts of coffee 🙂

No, of course not. For the onboard cameras are in the 8-9 GHz range now.

No they're the same!

@@mattamys How then do we only get 3 sectors for timing and not x number of mini sectors

​@@reptongeekall the mini sectors get added up to make the sectors we see on the broadcast. All the mini sectors are available via F1TV

I'm sorry, but half of those lines are necessitating a drug test for who ever ran that saw. I'm surprised F1 is allowing a curved line for timing determination

Of the actual timing loop itself I don’t believe so, and it does sit under the track itself - and the shots featuring the lines were recorded after a full race weekend with no damage as it’s so small

@@mattamys we have around 1 damaged loop on our track every 2 years.

Indycar are making use of the mini-sectors for TV. F1 also has these mini-sectors - however F1 doesn't use them for TV purposes in quali, but does use them for the timing tower (at the left of the screen) in the race. Mini-sectors are usually formed of a timing loop every ~200 m. This is in addition to the timing loop at the end of each sector.

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@@mattamys Great videos, thoroughly enjoy watching them. Really interesting content. Keep it up 👍🏻👏🏻🙂

​@@mattamys Being compared to Sheldon is far from an insult in my book... he is brilliant and an absolute expert in his field... the OP didn't specifically said you reminded him of Sheldon because of his social skills 😜

@@hideouspatje You and Sheldon would be alike because you both show such interest and are overflowing with interesting facts and knowledge. And yes, I think Sheldon is an absolute legend 👍🏻😁

@@alanlucas501 thank you thank you (takes a bow)

They finance it, so technically yes

@@mattamys Maybe technically no, financially yes? 😁

You think I only own one??

why do u have beef with chadlonso? Seriously, why?

Thanks for the feedback, but I do just naturally talk quite quickly but also don’t like to waste peoples time! I rather just give the facts for what people came for 🤷🏻‍♂️ I don’t intend on making shorter videos, but also don’t need 20 minutes to explain a car going over a detection line. If anything KZfaq actually prefers longer form, and it is something I’m trying to be better at but thanks for the feedback!