In this video I will show you the reason why many quartz seconds hand don't hit the minute markers on the dial. You might be surprised to know it is caused by a necessary reason.
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@daveyboy69853 жыл бұрын
I think that alignment should be bang on in every watch over $150 The trouble is probably 90% of people who buy a watch don't care about it. The manufacturers know this so their not to concerned unfortunately.
@walkeratsea8 ай бұрын
Hello . I own a number of Casio Marlin Duro dive watches . Quarts 200m water resist . The second hand hits the mark on each watch without fail . $50 !!!! Perhaps some of what your describing is accurate but in truth - it’s the manufacturers choice . Let’s be honest - 🙏🏻
@nmsoti13 жыл бұрын
I bought a Tissot Classic Dream directly from the manufacturer in Switzerland , had my eyes on it for 6 months and even though it is an entry level dress watch, I thought that everything would be in perfect alignment.... It wasn't. Had begun thinking that maybe I should send it back to fix/switch it, but...the vide made me rethink my action. Still got a same price Fossil Tachymeter and Casio Edifice which are bang on the markers. Shame, really wanted a Swiss made one to be proud of ...:(
@anhad7001 Жыл бұрын
Chill dude the Swiss watches are usually handmade and even the watch masters can align it completely to the marker, in Casio and other watches a newer machinery is installed with special plastic gears instead of Swiss quartz which still uses surgical steel for gears, usually the old Swiss mechanisms have misalignment but they are of hundred times better hardware than cheap watches.
@NasrulFendi6 ай бұрын
Ya. Same goes to prx quartz.
@jordangrieve36364 ай бұрын
@@anhad7001loved reading this comment, braught me peace of mind
@jasonschwartz85074 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the explanation. I really do love when the seconds hand aligns with the markers. Really makes that Oceanus so impressive!
@rafaelm.20564 жыл бұрын
The video makes sense. I used to think it was a quality issue but I can see the logic. I can see how a larger watch face with a longer second hand will make the misalignment appear worse. I suppose a solution would be for manufacturers to create gears with greater accuracy but that kind of precision will add to the cost.
@maverick683010 ай бұрын
So far, every Casio I bought has no problem on alignment of seconds hands. I believe there is some way to encounter this problem
@TriasNT3 жыл бұрын
The gears backlash is one of the reasons why a movement wouldn't be able to stay aligned. Yet I was told there were others : - Incorrect dial printing - Misaligned dial - Misaligned hands. When the misalignment is constant it's indeed a good sign, since it means one adjustment could line the whole watch again. Interesting theme and explanations. =)
@lennie6174 жыл бұрын
Citizen very often get the alignment right, even on the more affordable models, as opposed to Seiko and many entry level swiss quartz watches. The latter are particularly poor and indeed even some higher end ones like Omega. I think it's certainly a quality issue, not meaning that it's poor movement if it's not aligned. But aligning things takes extra effort and thus cost, so some watch makers may not make it a priority. The same goes for tolerances in the movement and the resultant prevalent stutter of the second hand in cheaper quarts movements compared to the precise action of the more expensive ones. Granted there must be some give to accommodate heat expansion etc. but considering the miniature size of parts in a watch movement, surely this slack need not be so large as to be clearly visible to the naked eye.
@iganpparamarta88134 жыл бұрын
I had noticed this matter in the past but I thought it was common on cheap watches because it was the only one I could afford. I didn't bother to dig this further not until I got into watches since few years ago. I bought 2 Citizen eco drive that cost almost nothing and the second hands on both watches align perfectly. And saw other brands that cost 4-5x more had the classic misalignment haha Now I carefully set my automatic watches so that the minute hand align perfectly with the second hand on each minute. A new OCD I develop just to keep me occupied.
@vishwasnawal48912 жыл бұрын
can you suggest a cheap citizen with good alignment
@lorenzowong19802 жыл бұрын
My citizen isn't aligned 😔
@watcheswithabdullah2 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for the much needed explanation!
@fredsgonefishing88022 жыл бұрын
Great video,I just purchased a Citizen BN0080-05L Promaster 300m and it misses between the 4 and 5 mark thought about sending it back but what you mentioned in this video made absolute sense. Citizen also told me that this is normal and that nothing could be done. THANK YOU!!!!
@matthewclark15293 жыл бұрын
Great explanation. I recently got a cheap Casio MDV quartz diver and assumed it was just quality control issues but now it makes more sense.
@davenolan57093 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to explain how this mystery occurs.
@PushyPawn Жыл бұрын
Alternate video title: "What it's like to have OCD"
@watchroll3310 Жыл бұрын
Hahah, I don't have a rebuttal for this.
@SOPM20073 жыл бұрын
Interesting! A solution would be to have the seconds hand attached to a large gear, say 1/3 of the dial's diameter, then the backlash wouldn't cause any noticable misalignment. But this makes another design of the movement necessary. I own a radio-controlled CASIO Lineage tough solar and the alignment is quite good.
@MrBlitsBlits3 жыл бұрын
I do not think this was a very good explanation, because it does not explain why some watches are made in a way that the second hand is aligned. They have gears in them too.
@Sujeesh_Bhosri Жыл бұрын
I have a cheap q and q watch. Perfectly aligned
@dk2428 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your explanation, its really spot on. My OCD just can't get over hands not hitting the marks, too bad because most watches i really like, design wise have this horrible misalignment.
@dariussilber11284 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot. I own a new T200 Oceanus and the second hand is sometimes a bit off. Now I understand why
@watchroll33104 жыл бұрын
Thanks to you!! Sometimes it can look off because of the angle but it hits the markers if you look at it with one eye exactly from the center, but it can also get off place a little bit untill it's auto calibrated again. My oceanus second hand looks a bit off sometimes but if I check it very well I notice is like an optional illusion. 👍
@kaziqta50533 жыл бұрын
I got a new OCW-S100-1AJF, now i know I don't have to be mad at a little bit... just a little bit of the second hand being off :) Oceanus are just gorgeous tbh
@dariussilber11283 жыл бұрын
Quick update: Casio is so awesome! I complaint about the seconds hand and Casio Europe got in touch with their colleagues in Japan. Turns out they repair it in Europe for me and the Japanese colleagues sends the repair parts to Europe. They do this all even for free 😢 I'm deeply impressed by the customer support. It's incredible... I recommend Oceanus to everyone that wants the best bang for buck luxury quartz watch 🙏
@kaziqta50533 жыл бұрын
@@dariussilber1128 yeah? Thank you for the info, will contact Customer Service, let's see.
@reynaldobitanga65802 күн бұрын
I completely agree w/ @dave5765. Simply reattach the second hand accordingly & issue solved.
@iHaejeog4 жыл бұрын
Very informative video! The best alignment I had on a quartz watch was on my Casio Oceanus T200. Great looking watch and it has made me appreciate the Oceanus line. Thanks for the info!
@daves57658 ай бұрын
I don't agree. I have personally realigned the second hand in several of my quartz watches from G-Shock to luminox all running quartz movements. Some are Japanese quartz movement and some are Swiss quartz movements. The issue from my personal experience is a lack of care by the person assembling the watch and poor quality control. I have managed to perfectly re-align every one of my second hands on all of these different quartz watches by removing the second hand and reattaching it. And they now hit the mark all the way around the dial. The problem is usually causes by the person who is assembling the watch doesn't understand how to take the slack out when they preload the second hand onto the mark. The newer G-Shock and citizen watches seem to be near perfect from the factory as they have better equipment to help them accomplish that. Luminox has been the worst I've seen but after I realign the second hand it looks perfect all the way around the dial and it's super easy to do on most of these.
@UK-Blue2 жыл бұрын
Excellent! Thank you. I got a Timex Expedition metal field watch a couple of days ago. And was wondering about this. For a cheap watch, I'm impressed and now more so!
@corpserepairservice501 Жыл бұрын
Does it have misalignment or not?
@UK-Blue Жыл бұрын
@@corpserepairservice501 It does for about a third of the seconds. 25 to 45 or so if I recall. I came to Australia for three months nearly a month ago, didn’t bring the Timex, I got a CWC GS. ;) But was wearing my Timex at night. Brilliant cheap watch.
@cornelius6616 Жыл бұрын
Same here. I have a 40mm Expedition North Solar. Bought it second hand on Poshmark and the seller forgot to mention the misalignment. I have a Byniiur repair kit so I’m trying to gauge if I can repair it personally, or if it can be fixed at all
@UK-Blue Жыл бұрын
@@cornelius6616 Get a CWC 😁 ... Interesting... I'll look at that. Cheers 🍻
@UK-Blue Жыл бұрын
Oh boy... I only have just over two weeks left in Oz! Not even found gold yet! I still have a good chance though. But shall be booking a flight back ASAP! Might bring the Timex for night detecting on the salt lake 🤔 🌌
@gunnerman1880 Жыл бұрын
That's a good few reason for this explained I've never thought of it like that but I now feel better about non baton alignment as I've just bought another😮 watch hanowa Swiss military watch which doesn't hit alignment and it's Swiss made. But your view on this just reassure me. 😊
@la_chistera2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the explanation. But why the Casio, even the cheapest, is perfectly aligned (I have four), and a more expensive one (Citizen) they have this issue? Meaning: I understand and accept your explanation, but why Casio don't have this issue? Also: why is it aligned in some marks, and others not?
@timchan3344 жыл бұрын
I have a 20 yr old Omega quartz that doesnt allign
@susrev884 ай бұрын
i have a casio f91w and the seconds are always bang-on
@watchroll33104 ай бұрын
😂
@Ferenczi69Aron3 жыл бұрын
At what arbitrary price-point do 'quality' quartz mechanisms begin, where perfect alignment can be expected?
@watchroll33103 жыл бұрын
Usually 150$ citizen promasters have perfect alignment while quartz over 1500$ have not so perfect alignment. You can find bad or good alignments in all price points if they don't have a specific mechanism to reduce or eliminate that gear slack. I think nobody does quartz better than the japanese so grand seikos, citizen chronomasters, and such will be built with this extra specs to eliminate that slack.
@IlDiavolo25152 жыл бұрын
@@watchroll3310 that's interesting. I picked up a Citizen Avion Eco Drive watch and the second hand doesn't quite hit the markers accurately except at the 12 o'clock marker. I thought this was a quality control issue but as you stated as long as it's consistent it's not a huge deal. Incidentally I picked it up on Amazon for $121.00. Aside from that it keeps very accurate time. Thanks for this video. You've guy yourself another subscriber!
@miamiwave3 жыл бұрын
I do not accept the faulty movement of the second hand. I expect precision from quartz. If the watch is not precise, I don't buy it.
@avrolancaster69872 жыл бұрын
One of the reasons the casio lines up... Is printed on the dial of that Oceanus. Tough movement.! There is an LED inside that shines through the gears.... If the sensor at the other side doesn't get the light it's expecting, it automatically corrects the discrepancy. Yeah.... Its amazing. Just another reason why i have not been able to buy a new 'Day to Day' watch since i bought a Casio GPW 1000 in... 2016 or something? Every watch i look at seems like a downgrade. It doesnt have something i now consider a must have.... Like solar, and Hybrid Wave Ceptor, which for some reason they only have in 2 or 3 models in 2021....(I think all in the £2000 plus range). Ican still buy a dressy watch though thank goodness. I just sold 2 watches to acquire a dream of mine. An Apollo 8 Speedmaster Blue Side of the moon. The images online dont do it justice. The laser engraved image of the near and far side of the moon.... Its like a photograph. Its a work of art.... And even THAT.... Thing of total beauty in the watchmakers art... Annoys me just a little bit because it doesnt have a perpetual calender, and it's unfair to compare the two, as they are from half a century apart, technology wise... But.... That is how highly i rate what Casio did with the Gravity master series. Yes a £1100 (at the time) watch... Makes me just a little bit disapointed in a £7500 watch... That i adore totally and will never sell. But also wont ever be on my wrist everyday, because thats where my Casio GPW1000 lives. Crazy isnt it? Well.... Im sure someone reading this will get what i mean. I hope so, as im not disrespecting Omega in any way. My Apollo 8 Speedmaster is one of the most aesthetically perfect items i own.... But Casio got closer to timekeeping perfection with the Gravitymaster (with 50 years of technological advances to lean on, of course!). I even feel guilty about thinking that way, BUT, Im sure just as much... Even more work went into perfecting the Casio, as the Omega.... Isuppose there is just that ridiculous 'romance' aspect standing between the two timekeepers. One robotically keeps utterly perfect time in all conditions at all times and on any spot on the planet, automatically. The other ... Handmade, keeps time well but will lose 10 seconds a day plus or minus when working perfectly.... And yet is still just so damn pretty, and the one most people would pick, if asked to choose between the two.... Oh well. Ill shut up now.
@johnfadds608911 ай бұрын
You really need a normally sized quartz watch for day to day wear. I can't imagine walking around with that GPW1000 beast on my hand all day. Casio Lineage or Oceanus models will have the same accuracy and near perfect second hand alignment. Also saphire, titanium etc.
@maltesetony90302 жыл бұрын
What about when the MINUTE hand doesn't align with the markers?
@MihaiGiurgeanu2 жыл бұрын
Hi, nice video. I have a question, though. The backlash is a problem only for quartz watches? Isn't it the same problem for mechanical watches?
@melody37412 жыл бұрын
Also backlash is irrelevant. When it's running you can see the backlash effect on hand position so YOU TAKE IT BACK APART AND CORRECT IT.
@watchroll33102 жыл бұрын
You are more than welcomed to take it back apart and correct it to your heart's content if you can. Having a bad day?
@UK-Blue2 жыл бұрын
@@watchroll3310 🤣🤣
@stephonjames10383 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this! I appreciate this.
@johnnyboy158610 ай бұрын
Simple, they can't be bothered
@emeraldhill8294 Жыл бұрын
Rambles on for 4 mins and tells very little.
@bryanstone6548 ай бұрын
My Oceanus hits the marks between 30 and 60 seconds but not between 1 and 29 seconds. Any explanation for this? Thank you.
3 жыл бұрын
This is a great video. I have a citizen EcoDrive diver. I've noticed the minutes hand is slightly loose, it's hard to notice but it is there for about a hair. Is it possible that it is also by design in the case of the minute hands? I mean, not misaligned, but it wobbles a little bit
@Simon89Jeppesen6 ай бұрын
If you have the same WRONG move in every second, why not make it align in the design? I assume they made it in temperature that is normal to mine?😅 Or you could have two colored half seconds so that you can't miss😅 Otherwise the marks doesn't make sense.
@brocklanders6969 Жыл бұрын
Just got a Certina DS-8 and they aren't even close. Yet, my two Oceanus are perfect.
@sync2322 жыл бұрын
This is driving me crazy. Automatic watches seems to be better because its harder to spot the misalignment because the seconds hand is moving so fast.
@Ferenczi69Aron3 жыл бұрын
If it's misaligned only on some portion of the dial, does that indicate unevenly worn our gears?
@watchroll33103 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't be able to know. Oil can play a part of the seconds hand hitting only some markers. In my experience the higher quality quartz are the more consistent they are even if they are a hair off it will be a consistent hair off.
@gamernon7644 жыл бұрын
Great..explaination 👍👍👍👍
@patricj9513 жыл бұрын
Thanks for video! Several of my watches(Citizen and Seikos, and all are ECO/Solar) have the second hand very spot on at the second mark. Therefore I soon reacted about that with my latest watch the second hand is pretty much half second wrong, it's in the middle between the markers. It disturbs me a bit. I understand it in practise does not matter, but anyway. Shall I accept it? And if not, would the dealer accept a replacement for that reason? I don't know yet.
@enijize1234 Жыл бұрын
Great video and explanation. Thanks!
@SilverBackELTorro Жыл бұрын
I got a seiko quartz that aligns better than a tissot prx. For on 90 Bucks. 😂😂😂😂
@juanluisgomezregalado6434 Жыл бұрын
I think Bulova/Citizen nailed it on their 262 Hz FLAT CRISTAL Quartz Moon Watch. Right ?
@watchroll3310 Жыл бұрын
I think they did
@VypaSoupClothing4 жыл бұрын
A great review!!! Keep doing what you do!! Awesome
@watchroll33104 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@johanndaart73267 ай бұрын
I know it's not a fault or that most watches don't align... but I have a boner for watches that have perfectly aligned hands.
@tarunj2431 Жыл бұрын
My Tissot Visodate quarts is also like this ...😐 Not happy...
@WatchUP69MrRangeman4 жыл бұрын
I like your content... really detailed and entertaining... I watched you review on the S100 and it was the one that pushed me the most... and the alignment is just spot on every time... I must say my Gravitymaster has perfect alignment too.... now I know these watches are calibrated every hour or just before the hour... but when I saw the Grand SEIKO quartz these are also perfect, and they have no gadgets to keep them aligned... guess it's down to how the second hand flips which you mentioned... then on the flip side, my vintage Bulova accuquartz has a smooth sweep which beats everything :-P Fantastic content and you're welcome to add a comment with this link on my S100 review on my channel... you need more subs my friend :)) Cheers for sharing and making so much effort with informations :))
@watchroll33104 жыл бұрын
Woah KZfaq didn't notify me about your comment! Yes the one advantage about a sweeping seconds hand is that it never looks misaligned! Thank you so much as always, Super kind!
@bigdhav2 жыл бұрын
I have a Mondaine Giant. And the misalignment drives me mad, because of the lollipop design of the second hand! Gahhh.
@soniacarvalho7814 Жыл бұрын
Quartz???
@bryanstone6548 ай бұрын
Digital watches never have misaligned second hands.
@TheSupertecnology3 жыл бұрын
I'd just align it myself. It's not that difficult
@IlDiavolo25152 жыл бұрын
That's really cool. Some of us aren't smart enough to do that lol.
@Hitham.Sallam Жыл бұрын
How u will do that
@bakastep31073 жыл бұрын
5:03
@Manuel03044 жыл бұрын
Pleeease write a script before recording. It will help you avoiding to repeat everything you say and you won't have to make so many cuts in order your speaking to make sense.
@florianh4222 Жыл бұрын
poor excuse! why necessary? 2 from the 3 watches you show do not need the big tolerances - in fact just means, some movements are just cheaper with higher tolerance ... 2 of the 3 watches show it can be done right !!
@watchroll3310 Жыл бұрын
When a senconds hand hits the markers it doesn't indicates there is or isn't any gap between the gears. Grand Seikos ensure the senconds hands hit the markers by a spring mechanism that brings back the gear to have contact with the other end of the gear to eliminate possible errors but all quartz gear trains have a gap because metal expands and contracts. This is why you can find swiss luxury quartz with senconds hands that do not align well and sometimes 45$ Casios with a seconds hand that do align because even if it has a bigger gap it happens to hit the markers by chance. Better quartz movements tend to have tighter tolerances on that specific gear but they are all required to have a gap because metal expands and contracts. Again, the fact that you can find luxury quartz with seconds hands that do not align is evidence to the point which is based on documented info.
@florianh4222 Жыл бұрын
@@watchroll3310 yes agree, so the Grand Seiko with their spring have a higher perceived visual quality ensured for their users ! Apparently even a 800 dollar expensive Junghans max bill hits from 12 - 6 the index perfectly and from 6 - 12 it jumps almost perfectly "in between" the indices ... very annoying for such an expensive german luxury watch with such high design execution (besides the second hand) ....especially as you say there are cheap 45 dollar Casio which can do a better job - but that´s what I meant: some brand go the extra step, some don´t and to me it sucks when a luxury brand does not go the extra mile like Junghans and f***s an awesome designed watch up with saving a few bucks on the quarz ....
@watchroll3310 Жыл бұрын
@@florianh4222 ohh I see! Yea totally agree 💯
@WatchUP69MrRangeman4 жыл бұрын
Hey buddy, just realised there's a mistake in your title... if you read it you'll see it, once found delete my comment :))
@melody37412 жыл бұрын
If it's that fucking hard just make it beat more often instead of the horrid once a second beats!!!!! It's that simple!!!!
@watchroll33102 жыл бұрын
Reason why quartz beat once per second is because the battery would drain. Be humble