I would love to see our heroes defeating Kang only because of the help of Doom and then realizing that he’s an even bigger threat

The key to Doom is that he views every challenge as a problem to be solved and has absolute confidence that he can solve it. He is never in despair.

Another thing that is completely abandoned when people try to adapt Doctor Doom, he is trying to save the world. He is the world's hero in his own mind. He saw many futures, and every one that he was not ruling the world had humanity wiped out while the one he saw with him ruling had humanity survive. To him, becoming the ruler of the world is a necessity in order to save humanity, and those that oppose him are literally working to doom the future of humanity. This is why he is so comfortable doing so many evil things, because he views it as a necessary evil.

The fact that we got a better adaptation of DOOM in music than movie is amazing

Doom refers to himself in the third person, that's the level of ego we're dealing with. The technical genius of Stark, the arcane talents of Strange, and the political swag of T'challa combined in one person. Yet it drives him crazy to see an absent-minded professor who easily discovers new dimensions and invent physics defying spacecraft in his penthouse suite get all the glory. As Doom himself would say, "Nations shall burn for this insult!"

I remember once reading a thing about how battles with Doom can go one of three ways. 1: If he's fighting against heroes, he loses, but in such a way that furthers his goals and either teaches the heroes a lesson or leaves them feeling hollow. 2: If he's fighting another villain, he wins, hands down. That's Doom's whole thing. 3: If he's fighting Squirrel Girl, he gets his ass beat, no two ways about it.

The perfect short story that shows you who doom is is when Reed was unavailable to help Sue when she was delivering Valeria (after a very complicated backstory) and Johnny called Dr doom to help. He then proceeds to use all his intelligence and magic to deliver the baby successfully, claims naming rights to her and names her after a lost love, swears that she is now under the protection of Dr doom, becomes her godfather, and secretly makes her his familiar. What a guy.

The thing I love the most about Doom is that he does the unthinkable, the one thing villains don't do: He wins. He is the most dangerous person on earth and everybody knows exactly where he is, they just can't get him. Which is awesome.

All I want for his MCU adaptation is for his theme to be an ALL CAPS rendition.

The thing with Doom is that any story told about him can't be contained by just one movie. You'll have to go full Avengers Saga style with his storytelling.

I feel like the problem is two-fold. The unwillingness to commit to comic book logic and the unwillingness to make the villain strong enough that they actually have to figure out how the heroes will stop them.

To portray Dr Doom accurately, an actor who can pull off the dramatic old time theatrics of Doom is needed. Someone with a deeper (baritone) voice, someone willing to swirl the cloak dramatically. Doom is the sort to have 5 escape routes at all times, the sort with 10 backup plans at all times. Even Wolverine has a rough time with Doom.

He needs a whole movie as an origin story. Imagine, introducing the Fantastic 4 in a Dr Doom movie.

To me, the fact that Doom was sent back to the beginning of time to relive all of existence elevates him to the level of a genius demigod. I think that Hollywood is unaware of how to portray such a massive presence without being accused of “Doom worship”

when the mcu do doctor doom, i just hope they did for thanos and actually build him up over a few movies and not just a single movie villain, he needs the build up to get his character done right

It's not impossible, just very unlikely. Victor Von Doom is a multi dimensional character, fleshed out over decades in the comics. He's not just a one trick pony who's easily portrayed in a movie. He's not a shallow villain but a complex man with grand aspirations and even grander abilities. He's the hero of HIS story, ruler of his country and even loved by his people. In short, he deserves his OWN movie.

Why do other adaptations barely include both the mysticism and Tech side of Doom because normally many adaptations always include just the tech side

The issue with Dr Doom in film is that he always plays the antagonist in the Fantstic 4's origin story, and as such his own origin story gets glossed over. I think origin stories have been done to death in superhero cinema but movies like Joker or Venom show that people still warmly receive an origin story if it has a unique spin on it. So I think for Doom's introduction into the MCU they should flip the script. Instead of making him the antagonist in a Fantastic 4 movie, make the Fantastic 4 the antagonists to a fully fleshed-out Doom origin movie.

I think part of the challenge in trying to adapt Doom to the big screen is in giving him everything that Doom is as a character, but doing so in a way that doesn't feel like a rip-off of the movie villain Doom most closely resembles: Darth Vader. Larger than life, scarred and encased in an armored prison being a Death's Head metal faceplate, cloaked in darkness, master of both magic and science, a merciless dread overlord... Doom and Vader are nearly twins. And until someone can figure out how to solve this conundrum, they will fail to write Doom properly...

After watching Raul Julia play M. Bison in Streetfighter, I thought if, given a worthy script, he could have successfully pulled off an excellent Dr. Doom character.

The problem is they kept shoehorning him into the films, giving him the same origin as the Fantastic four. They should've just had be already set up as Doom and ruler of Latveria, and instead have the F4 fight a monster/alien. Doom either needs his own movie, or there needs to be F4 movie that explores his background, as well as his relationship with Reed Richards.

I think the thing is, from what I could gather sure he is very technologically advanced, but he's also very powerful with magic and sorcery, rivaling doctor strange in that department. It's these two combined with his very high intellect that actually almost rivals Stark and Mr Fantastic that makes him such a deadly villain. Combine that with his cruelness and cunning, and it's no wonder how he eventually became a god in the comics. Doubt we'll ever see this version of doom, but it's still one of the reasons why he became such a big and beloved villain for so long

Dr. Doom is the embodiment of the Nietzschean ideal of Will To Power and the definition of Indominable. In many ways he's ironically the greatest super hero in terms of his traits. My personal favorite example is the original Secret Wars when he's being literally torn apart by the Beyonder after being completely defeated, no armor, and totally naked, but he still won't give up, and because he refused to accept defeat, even in such a destroyed state, he finds a way to win! That is Dr. Doom. That's like Tony Stark beating Thanos with all the Infinity Stones with none of his technology or friends to help. Dr. Doom can accomplish the impossible. The problem is his ego and madness of knowing 100 percent for a fact that his mother IS burning in Hell. He's motivated by love and wanting to save his mother that he goes to extreme degrees and doesn't care about the consequences of his actions. The means serve the ends. The Fantastic 4 basically hold a mirror up to Dr. Doom and makes him realize, despite what he may otherwise believe, that his worst scars aren't on his body but in his soul and heart and he hates knowing some part of him is weak. He can wear armor to protect his body. He can use his mind to outsmart people. He can use magic to go toe-to-toe with people like Dr. Strange. However nothing can protect him from the hole in his heart and all the power and self-aggrandizement is an addiction to try to fill that hole. He hates being reminded of that. The tragedy of Dr. Doom is if not for that one weakness that perverts all he tries to do he would be the greatest super hero of all time. But, you know, I guess making him a giant doofus and using an actor teenage girls and middle aged wine aunts have on their bedroom walls or office cubicles works too!

I wish they tied it to Sokovia being lifted in the age of ultron. Like him looking to the U.N. for assistance and getting nothing. So he just declares war.

Dr. doom is the shadow of Tony Stark. He’s Iron Man without selflessness. Therefore, you need to cast an actor with charisma who can carry the MCU as a villain through multiple projects like Robert Downey, Jr. was able to do as Iron Man. This is probably the most important part that marvel needs to get right.

I honestly believe the best way to introduce Dr. Doom into the MCU is with his own solo film, he is one of the few villain that this could be done without much of the hero/es he is connected to being involved in it, they could adapt Books of Doom for it.

MF DOOM better be playing when he gets introduced

I always like Dr doom. He was a villain that was as likely to help you as kill you and sometimes did some surprisingly humane things that still managed to fit his character

I actually liked Julian McMahon's presence, costume and performance as Doctor Doom. In the audition, he used a heavy Eastern European accent but the director told him not to use it because the American audience might had trouble understanding him.

My main problem now is that I want the live action doom to sound like the late MF DOOM🕊️

Imagine a Dr. Doom movie focused on his life story from the comics but done in the dark/pulpy/artistic style like the joker. And have an actual Eastern European actor!

I'd actually love a series centered around Doom, focusing on his efforts and the reasoning behind those efforts: That he wants to save the universe but understands because of his magic that this requires him to rule the world. I'm paraphrasing, but it was said that the only universe where humanity thrives in a perfect utopia is one where Doom rules all.

RIP MF Doom

If we’re getting a black Adam movie, and have gotten 2 venom movies (which I enjoy); doom certainly deserves his own movie. Their is so much material to choose from in the comics.

I think Avenger's Assemble and Spiderman TAS did a great job with the character. The accent, the more elaborate schemes, the diplomacy, the relentless attacks, etc, all true of Doom. Someone else mentioned his belief that he is doing the right thing as one of his motivations, and I think that comes across very well in Spiderman TAS.

Doctor Doom is an opera villain with a death ray. I fucking LOVE HIM

I love the dichotomy Dr. Doom makes with the Fantastic Four with his motivation. Particularly in one storyline, it's presented as the Four saving the world of today, while Dr. Doom is working to save the world of the future.

Personally I think the Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon is one of the few adaptions I've seen that have done Doom any justice. I think he's probably the only thing that could get me back into watching mcu movies, if they get him right.

They already did Doom in a very well received way. He's called Darth Vader.

The way they wrote Dr.Dooms story in the video game 'Ultimate Alliance ' was my absolute favorite. They got every about him right. You go up against some serious threats, yet Doom is still the biggest threat.

One of the main issues in movie, is that it suffers from Sam Raimi's Spider-man-villainitis: the nemesis has to be deeply intrinsic to the heroes origin so as to be a dark reflection... That does exist in the comics and can be great, but the thing with Doom, is that he is not defined by his relation-ship to the Fantastic Four, he is so much more than that. Villains can exist without the need of being defined by their relationship with a hero, they can be full-fletched persons with complex motivations that changes day-to-day, as it does for any of human being. Defining people only by their relationship to us (or the heroes in this case) reduces people and characters to very simple imitation, when they can be so much more, once you realize their internal complexities

i think what we need in MCU is a Doctor Doom movie...that will be the only way to explore his entire backstory and motivations and learn more about him and make the audience love him

You know what's kind of funny: was watching some Office clips last night, particularly the one where Michael tells Dwights he's the new manager, and Rainn Wilson does an absolute masterclass of acting in that episode. I say this because he would actually probably play an incredible Dr. Doom. If he plays it straight and digs into the introspection and intellect he could do it so well.

A problem I see with trying to introduce Doom is his power scale. He's has always been over powered in the comics and is able to survive and adapt almost any encounter .

I’ve always thought of Doom as the talented older brother of the fantastic 4, whose way was complicated by his flaws. Those flaws being essentially his strengths taken to excess. It’s also a warning that any of the f4 could turn out like him if they somehow distance themselves from each other.

The fact that there have been so many failed attempts at a proper Dr.Doom shows how great of a character he is. Don't expect the current MCU to do him justice, either.

The fact is that a little of people forget that Dr. Doom was once in the running for sorcerer supreme with Steven Strange. He is every bit the sorcerer that Dr. Strange is.

see thats the thing about doom, hes always been presented as a fantastic 4 antagonist in movies when in reality he's his own character with an identity and history independent of them. in a fantastic 4 movie where 4 main characters need to be developed it makes sense he gets short changed sadly. that is why they should instead make a Doom movie. or better yet, a movie that's about another character but only serves as a vehicle to properly introduce doom.

I've always thought that Doom would work best as a recurring villain in a serialised tv show. Given his history, it would make most sense to have him be in a Fantastic Four Tv series.

Doom needs to be fleshed out in a television mini-series before he's the villain in a film, in a similar way they did for the Scarlet Witch in WandaVision.

I always saw Dr. Doom as a combination of Iron Man and Dr. Strange, but with the personality flaws of both men going unchecked.

I feel like we need to start seeing Doom in more of the content.. because of his complexity and the fact that he will be a major villain, he needs screen time in all possible ways. The build up to Thanos worked so well because we had hints at him since Avengers. Years later we see Thanos and how powerful he was. Doom needs this same treatment in a way. I feel if he is just in Fantastic 4 and then all of a sudden he overpowers Kang and takes over, it will feel so rushed and random. We need time to appreciate Doom in the various cinematic aspects. Put him in TV shows, make him a character pulling strings. Mention his name, name drops work too. Have him be the character with cameos in multiple things... I am so excited for what's to come, I just don't want to see it rushed through and they make Doom become ruler because everyone expects it. I want to see his build up, see the payoff after having him in the background. That is a trait of Doom, he is a schemer as well as being powerful. He is always thinking at the bigger picture, always planning for the next 5 steps.

OH THE IRONY only DOOM can now SAVE the MCU

It seems like the only possible way to adapt Doom is to give him his own origin movie like Black Adam. Showing his origin and his rise to power then setting him up as the villain in Fantastic Four

Not even Lee and Kirby were able to introduce a fully formed Victor Von Doom in his first appearance. I think that one way to do this is to have a Disney+ series (or possibly a standalone film) titled "Victor" that explores his childhood, schooling, and rise to power in Latveria. Once that is established, he could then appear in FF 2 (allowing the first film time to introduce them) or Secret Wars as Reed's nemesis. They can't rush the characters into a film that has a host of other agendas. Thanks for the video.

Baron Zemo in the MCU movies is the closest person I've seen who shares similar traits or characteristics to Dr. Doom. His character in Falcon & Winter soldier reminds me of Doctor doom so much; even his regal background and accent were spot on.

Same issue has happened with Lex Luthor. All the live action adaptations (except maybe Smallville, which wasn't even fully formed as a character) focus on the wacky businessman/scientist part, and not enough on the parallels with their rival superhero, the element that makes them interesting to begin with.

See man this is why I love ur channel. I’m not someone who loves super hero movies. But I grew up on watching Fantastic Four VHS tapes man and it always was so nostalgic for me ever since. Naturally, it drew me towards MF DOOM aswell. Thank you for always delivering Nerdstalgic.

Couldn’t agree more. Let’s hope they get him right in the MCU

I've always thought of Doom as the earthbound version of Thanos. Dark genius. Someone who was forsaken by Fate. And whose power is mostly self-obtained. They did Thanos right enough because they gave him multiple dimensions. Thanos could make a compelling moral argument, even though it was still evil. They just have to repeat that but with the themes and background of Dr Doom

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I think in a weird way how complex and skilled Doom is is why he hasn’t been adapted well, it feels kind of cheap to establish that Doom is a super strong, genius, magical master who also rules over a country all in one movie Hopefully the nature of the MCU makes that easier to deal with

Me and my buddy had discussed Dr. doom very recently. We always talk about what we would do with him. Here’s what we have come up with. Dr. Doom should go down as the greatest MCU villain ever. Because that’s what he has the potential to be. Give me a force of nature that is never satisfied with anything and he has one goal. Power for his people. We think he’s gonna show up in Wakanda forever, it makes the most sense. In the source material he is known for orchestrating a war between the Atlanteans and Wakanda. Seeing him pull the strings would be excellent as it shows his skills in manipulation. Which lets the audience know what is true power is, his intelligence. His true power doesn’t come from his magic or technology, but his mind. He is an excellent politician and an excellent speaker, when he says something you believe it. He has a conviction about him that is unmatched. We also think it would be cool if we saw the sorcery side of Doom, I feel like the general audience/ population believe he’s a knock off Iron Man when really he has powers at rival that of Doctor Strange and “The Ancient One”. He’s a sorcerer, it’s a big part of his character and what makes him so powerful. We also thought it would be cool if you he went around collecting some “artifacts” and cool objects from previous marvel films. Have his armor be made out of remains of the infinity gauntlet with the magic from the infinity stones. Give him some Vibranium to mix it with that. His armor should be a major power source of not only incredible technology but incredible magic. Two fields he dominates in. Power shouldn’t be his only obsession though, he should be a man who understands that power comes from knowledge. I want to see this may be a scholar, a scientist, a man who understands the world on all fronts, and the worlds beyond our own. I want to see him reading Asgard texts and books from libraries in Ta Lo and Wakanda. He should be a multi-phase villain because he can be. But above all else, he must be WRITTEN WELL! He has to be a compelling character. The people who wrote the backstory‘s for characters like Killmonger, Xu Wenwu, Thanos. Those are the people I want behind Dr. Doom. I think Dr. Doom has the potential to go down as one of the greatest movie antagonist of all time. The potential is limitless and they have an opportunity here. If Marvel gets this right, it will immortalize the character and the studio forever.

I really love the doom in Marvels wasteland era radio show. Haven’t finished it but the short inclusion so far of him is amazing

As an eternal Doom stan, having a different backstory for Doom could work. But in making that backstory, you have to take into account how the events will shape him as a person. Backstories are explanations for a character’s actions, not a way to excuse them. In my opinion, Victor doesn’t hate Reed because he has a better reputation. In the comics, Reed pointed out a flaw in the machine that gave Victor his scar, and Victor ignored him because he thought Reed wanted to upstage him. Victor truly believes that he is the hero of this story. And you don’t tell a hero they’re wrong unless you’re a villain. If you’re not trying to be a part of Victor’s solution, then you’re part of the problem. And we all know that Victor von Doom is *very* keen on fixing problems.

Doom knows no such thing as failure. To Doom, there are only hindrances on the path to inevitable triumph.

The best live action dr doom incarnation is MF DOOM

Doom went from being Marvel's flagship villain to a joke Thanks Fox

We need an entire movie Dedicated just to his development if not more than one

Personally, I always consider Julian McMahon a great casting because the 2 role he is most known for and 2 roles years after the films all contain aspects of Doom like villains in them. Cole Turner from Charmed, Christian Troy from Nip/Tuck, Jonah from Runaways, Zackariah Webb from Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency. The last one in particular is almost a homage to Doom. He definitely can do Doom justice if they ever give him the material.

Daniel craig as Dr Doom is like finding josh brolin for thanos

What makes doom a unique and memorable villian is that he's an honorable villian. Yes, he's willing to do a LOT for power but never at the cost of his own honor.

Here is my personal top 3 list of the best appearances of Doom that (in my opinion) I think are the most faithful to the true nature of his character: • Hidden Missiles • Footdive • MADVILLAIN • *Footdive*

I've said this before: Produce a comics-accurate film devoted solely to Doom's origin -- a film devoted entirely to a villain as its protagonist. Early on, show his rivalry with college classmate Reed, and how he got himself expelled. (It's important to show how deep his contempt for Richards is.) Show his journey to Asia (with flashbacks to his early years in eastern Europe), and how he not only learns sorcery and various other disciplines there, but how he combines these together with technology. Show the creation of the armor and how self-destructively impatient he is to don the mask, even though it's still steaming hot from the forging process. Then have him return to Latveria, conquer it, and establish himself as its absolute ruler. Having achieved this goal, have a scene at the end where he's surrounded by numerous screens monitoring world events, perhaps including his rise to power in Latveria. Then, the events shown on one particular monitor catches his attention. On the screen, four people with fantastic powers are fighting a giant subterranean monster that has just burrowed up through a city street. His eyes go wide, then begin to burn with rage as he recognizes the bizarre stretching man. He smashes the screen with his armor fist, his fury knowing no end. Cue the FF movie.

I am planning on building a Doom cosplay for dragoncon next year and this video and comics have definitely helped.

Because he deserves his own movie and backstory his story is crazy with hia home latveria.

We need Mf DOOM on the soundtrack if they were to make a solo movie For Dr. doom!

Doom needs his own film to develop his character.

I think one of the big problems is that in the comics you can develop a character over years of writing. In a movie you have roughly 3 hours to develop a character, make conflict, and resolve that conflict. That’s though to do with 5 characters.

I think that Julian could have been a good Doom. Balthazar from Charmed had several of Dooms traits but they have never spent enough time developing Doom so we got a third rate Balthazar instead. IWhen they bring him back Julian would be a good choice if they allow him to own it and let us connect with the inner man.

_I didn't spend six years in Evil Medical School to be called "mister," thank you very much_

Can’t present Viktor AND the first family at the same time in 90mins. He needs to be fleshed out. Doom is an entire tale on to himself.

Always loved how they portrayed him in Marvel Ultimate Alliance

The first time they did it he was 98% accurate. The only difference was his goal reflected around a comet

imo it's a mistake to connect doom with the F4 origin story, which both films did. it's ok to have connection with the group, like victor and reed together at the university, but doom also needs to be an independent threat for his crazy character to shine

I really enjoyed the 2005 interpretation especially Julian McMahon’s performance. But it’s just nostalgic for me. He does play great villains

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I think that they come up short because they try to just make him the antagonist of these films 🎥 and his character has way too much depth. It seems like you would have to make him the focal point just to serve him justice.

In "Multiverse Of Madness," it's shown that those who deal with dreamwalking are plagued with demons. Maybe this is what happens to Victor's mother in the MCU. I just hope that he's shown as an incredible genius, and someone worthy of being the Sorcerer Supreme, but he's too busy running Latveria to do either.

2:15 in the 2022 Black Panther 2 post credits featured the clip from Fantastic Four 2: The Rise of Silver Surfer

I hope one day we get a great fantastic 4 movie and cool video man :]

RIP MF DOOM

Hopefully we will get a good adaption one day

They should do a Books of Doom style series after they introduce him in the Fantastic Four. Would be perfect.

MF Doom is the only man to wear the mask and do it justice it seems.

Doctor doom is one of my top 10 favorite fictional characters. Personally I like him the most when he has a point to make. Yes his methods are villainous but there’s still this nobility to his actions. I just want him to finally be done justice in live action. More than anything.

I have always wondered why the cinematic universe never got it right because I LOVE the Victor Von Doom character: Doom is simultaneously epic and tragic.

This video is why I subscribed to your channel. You get Doom. I hope, one day, we all get Doom. Latveria Forever! All Hail Doom.

He is also the greatest villain in rap music too

Try fitting that backstory into a two hour movie. The is a reason DOOM is badass, is because the medium he was created in allows him to be.