Tifo at its best. I'm now fully armed and ready to sound not like the simpleton I am but instead like an absolute Leeds expert and tactical master down the pub tonight.

I really like the use of game-state analysis in this video. That gave me a really clear picture about how Leeds deal with momentum, and momentum shifts, something I think is a really important context for understanding teams. Would be pleased to see more of that.

Excellent video, Jon. Will you be doing another on how to solve our problems in the PL? Asking for Jesse Marsch

This is a very good analysis. You have understood the problem better than the entire coaching staff at Leeds.

I think the most effective and exciting part of our game under Bielsa was the attacking phase, more often using the wide areas, particularly the combination play between full back, winger and central midfielder.

Aged well mate

I think I know the answer to this one... in Marsch's last 3 jobs, he had an unlimited supply of Red Bull available to his team. Whereas at Leeds it's nothing but Yorkshire Gold or Leeds Pale... no wonder the team can't play with the same intensity...

It comes down to 3 things for me: lack of finishing, lack of recovery pace on defense, and lack of discipline/marking errors. The nature of Leeds press is that it relies on the entire team being dialed in and focused, not missing their triggers and it hasn't happened lately. The finishing hasn't been good for Leeds either. And the defense played an effective offside trap vs Chelsea which has disappeared lately, and they aren't quick enough to contain opposition forwards 1v1

Brilliant timing

For me as a Leeds fan I think it just simply comes down to the tactics not working in the prem. From watching every game I can see that we do look good from an attacking point of view however our defence is not fit for this system. Our defenders are decent however they do not have the recovery pace for when we are cut open. I also think the system shuts down when we have attacked for so long that the oppositions defence becomes so congested to the point where we cant break through and score, this leads to us becoming predictable and wasting and turning over possession for the other team to counter attack.

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Good timing on this

The big issue is the shambolic transfer windows by the board since we got promoted - people will point at we made signings but we needed a LB, CDM, CAM and at least a fairly able striker. This was not done and after last season this was utter failure and negligence by the board. There are some issues with tactics, subs and some of the existing players just don't have it - there is still a love in for our 'championship players' who in the light of day were pushed up majorly by Bielsa, this was not sustainable - hence we needed a major squad refresh.

This aged well

Marsh is the ultimate prodigy of Raignick counter-pressing football. However this style have been neutralized and not as effective as it used to be. Nagelsmann moved away from it and Marsch’s own failure at RB Leizig also proved that.

This is great. But maybe overanalyzed. Nobody can finish. Few defenders on Leeds roster can stop other teams from finishing. The team is lacking in talent in several key positions. That’s it. Marsch may be a fraud, or maybe he’s a decent Prem level manager, with a crap squad.

What does the pro-Liverpool Tifo say about Leeds now?

There's no denying we play pretty good against the top sides, i know Liverpool are in a slump and meslier had a sunrun but that's Chelsea arsenal and Liverpool we have absolutely bossed in a short window. ALAW

Marsch and Leeds aren’t working? Tell that to Liverpool. 😎 MOT

Exceptional analysis, thank you 🙏

Leeds watched this and decided to beat Liverpool

Why Klopp and Liverpool isn't working when??? 😂

So, losing quality and not replacing it has very little to do with it? Got it.

I would like to see more analysis focusing on the metrics of chances created. There is more to dig into there. Love the analysis!

Interesting and informative analysis, yes, but completely lacking in actual team assessment, and so it is at best incomplete and therefore, largely useless. Just as are so many of the predictably droll comments in this section. The premise and title of the video itself are laughable. There's nothing wrong with Jesse Marsch at Leeds that some improved player performance can't fix, and the tactics have little to do with it. To that end, tactical analysis if you have played and/or coached it not that tough to do, and you can make it look really intelligent with the latest techie graphics and talking real fast. But without going up and down the squad and speaking to strengths and weaknesses of players, (ie, QUALITY) any analysis is hollow. For example, Give Marsch a real striker that scores goals and all of this is rendered nonsensical. A more contextualised analysis would have been to add in particular weaknesses and then look which player is mostly responsible in that part of the pitch and look at how a better player reacts to such and such tactical situation. The bottom line is if Leeds had a Guimares (38mil)playing the 10, or a Jesus (58mil) at striker, or Zinchenko (29mil) at LB they would be pushing for Europe while playing these tactics. Or, even more simply, if Bamford buried only a handful of his Prem-leading NINE missed big chances, the same: upper mid table pushing for Europe. The conclusion is that tweaks are needed in the system not because the system is flawed, but because the personnel are lacking to maximise its potential. And, yes, that better players are still needed, but that can't all happen in one window, like Forest bringing in 22 players---a disaster. So yes, fun video for the novice to understand the tactical system, but for arguing--much less proving---that Jesse Marsch isn't working at Leeds, well, the Liverpool match demonstrated what happens when players actually perform as a unit and as individuals. It takes time. And it takes talent---which Leeds need more of as they phase out the Championship players and continue to bring in upgrades. That's why it's called a "project." Love that away shirt. MOT

Having watched Leeds versus Arsenal, I got the impression that they were the better team, but that this pretty much only was due to having an insane intensity, an intensity that - simply put - is no way near sustainable over several games, and which I there and then conjectured would result in that they’d struggle the next matchday. They lost their next game, against Leicester. I suspect that pressing teams have to reconfigure and become more controlling possession teams if they want to remain competitive at the upper ends of the table, because controlling games through intensity, pressing alone seems to just wear players down, gobbling up players through amassing injuries (assets for the club), and creating inevitable, steep dips in form.

This aged very well

Very good insight. Great work sir 👏🏼

This aged well. 😂 the team doesn’t have good enough players overall. Simple enough

good timing on the video I think Jesse Marsch must have watched this 😂

This aged well. Won the last two exciting games.

Absolute gold. Great analysis. Its so interesting to see different styles of play work or fail depending on the approach of the opposition. Will the 'philosophy' approach be over taken by teams flexible enough to adapt the perfect counter tactic to whomever they are playing?

HUGE WIN!!!

Class video!

15:02 This doesn't make sense. You already said earlier in the video that Leeds' attacking play falters when the opposition sits deep. Why would them sitting deep two goals up be different?

And then they won at Anfield so….. lol

The two things Leeds simply had to do was massively strengthen their backline and sign a striker, they did neither. if don't address this is January they are getting relegated

This didn’t age well. 😂

Here after winning 2 since this video was made, and sitting mid table. Have Leeds made changes since your analysis? Would be cool to see the contrast and changes they’ve made. Thanks for the great content!

I remember in my FIFA 22 save for Leeds in my 2nd season now; didn't sell Phillips (Sold Raphinia) but one of my first transfer goals was obtaining proper fullbacks, a proper CDM (Onana from Lille) and a future replacement for Rodrigo (Octavian Popescu?). Also sold Cooper and traded Koch for Kristoffer Ajer from Brentford (not a bad deal imo as I like CBs with pace). Because the squad I inherited was just under-par to really compete. IRL it still is. Leeds have a team that isn't terrible but not great, injuries and lacking squad depth. Playing an LCB at LB isn't ideal. Harrison might end up joining Newcastle by next year. Bamford is talented but injury prone. Some great new players but probably not enough to avoid a relegation battle.

Excellent analysis

This did not age well

Love this. Really comes down to a team that wants to counter attack/create off turnovers. If turnovers don’t come or the other team just sits back and makes them break down a low block they can’t.

Great content

One of the best data dives of XG I’ve seen!

This system is so uneasily undone with apparently no plan B. Add to that, our forwards - particularly Bamford - inability to score and this is a recipe for relegation.

"They just beat Liverpool" ...Is there a worse flex than that

Watching john blossoming over the last few months has been lovely

You broke it down very well and it reaffirmed my belief it’s a stupid ethos & woeful system being played by half rate players

I'm a Leeds fan and this is spot on. Well done.

It might not be working but it's really fun for the neutral to watch. The last half of the Arsenal game was really good.

We always see breakdowns on attacking play, which is great. But could we also see breakdowns on defending?

Still beat a team that won the league and the champions league in the last few years.

Villa had a worse record under Gerrard 4 wins in 22 and 2 of those wins against Norwich and burnley last season who were both relegated

what kit is that he's wearing? its so clean

Liverpool just got soccer’d

Didn’t age the best

Something I'd be really interested in is whether this play style, or maybe even some variants of it, are viable in the premier league why?

Jon, the TifoIRL presenter, forgot to mention solutions to make the system work. Specifically, upgrades at center back to players that can aggressively win and clear incoming direct long ball plays. Also, and obviously, a new center forward since Bamford is rusty, not converting chances or penalties, and is injury prone. Is the goalie really a good shot stopper or assertive enough to command the defense in front of him? Do the Leeds owners have good enough recruiting/scouting staff and the money to upgrade during the December transfer window?

Normally when Jon talks about the underlying numbers, he's talking about xG for and against, and who is under or overperforming, so would these count as the underlying underlying numbers?

Is this just observed or have you talked to the manager or attended training sessions; it would be good to hear what Jesse thinks of this summation. They looked doomed to me at the moment though

Use this as an LOL button

Great! But why wouldn’t the long ball past the pressing unit work for top table teams?

That's not even Leeds' starting lineup holy cow. Aaronson is locked in at CAM, Sinisterra/Harrison line up accordingly

I still don't get why they even hired him in the first place. Coached the worst Salzburg team I've seen in the Bundesliga in many years and was a total disaster in Leipzig. Perfect example of failing upwards.

Eat your words pal 🤣

Things are actually fine, not everything has to be a crisis

Bamford is a huge problem. 9 big chances missed, 0 goals. Almost entirely thanks to him Leeds have the 4th worst ratio of goals to big chances missed in the PL at 1.307, with Bamford contributing 9 of the 17 they've missed. If he'd even scored two of those 9 big chances missed, Leeds would shift from the 4th worst to 8th worst in that stat. after one season of impressive form he's gone back to the striker that at least in goalscoring terms looked out of depth in the championship.

This aged well 🙈

top tier analysis

I feel like Newcastle have a somewhat similar problem but to a significantly lesser extent. They've got a similar pattern of getting good results against top teams and relatively underwhelming results against Bournemouth, Palace and Wolves. Albeit Newcastle seem to have the quality to a) not ship goals against the relatively weaker teams and b) get a breakthrough with a piece of individual skill like against Forrest.

Perhaps if opposition teams switch to more direct approaches mid game then Jesse needs the team to drop deeper to mitigate this

Klopp uses something similar, how you think he made it work? was it simply that he works with different class of players entirely to carry out such an offensive proactive plan of attack

I wonder how this would be different if made today 😂

Wel thats quite a fast falldown since the vs chelsea win...

Someone should show this video to Jesse Marsch before it's too late to save his career. Whatever data his people are getting, there's no way it's better than Tifo's. I love the XG-over-the-course-of-a-game chart. I've never seen XG represented that way before. Gold, Jerry, gold!

You'd imagine Marsh can solve breaking down low blocks. He managed the best team in Austria

Jesse is a live by the sword, die by the sword manager. He has a philosophy and won't deviate.

Great choice of music, it made everything feel very sexy which I imagine was the intended outcome.

There are too many ads on youtube

Since this video Leeds have beaten Liverpool and Bournemouth

Make a "why .... is crap" just before each liverpool game for their opponents 😂😂😂😂

xGD in a drawing state 12th. Fulham, -0.16 13th. Everton, -0.31 14th. Villa, -0.32 15th. Bournemouth, -0.35 16th. Liverpool, -0.35 17th. Leeds, -0.39 18th. Palace, -0.43 19th. Saints, -0.53 20th. Forest, -0.53 out of the bottom 9, you'd expect them all to be there except Liverpool what exactly do you expect from Leeds and Marsch, they're a bottom half team performing like one, he's just lost Raphinha & Phillips and hasn't had a third of a season yet

As an American gunner (release the hounds....) Leeds under Marsch remind me of Arsenal (or Brighton) of the last few seasons. Good at creating chances at both ends of the pitch, but lacking finishing. Jon's analysis is clearly much better than mine, but FWIW, the biggest issue does seem to be personnel: Raphina is gone and Bamford is a shadow of his 20/21 self. Thoroughly enjoyed the Game State deep dive, but I think all the conversations would be different if even 20% more of their (big only) chances were converted. They just can't score when they're in good positions. Anyway, as an American but also a fan of the style of play, I hope they give Marsch more time, if only because (unlike Villa) it's difficult to think of who could convert this squad into higher performers (unless Orta could somehow hypnotize Poch).

7 in 24 now;)

How come you and me and thousands of LUFC fans can see what's going wrong but the board and coaches can't or they are and can't afford or won't change things.

‘Ride the variants’. Yes!

Seems odd he mentioned the big chances they give up but not the big chances missed which they gotta be up there Bamford has like 10 big chances missed alone this season 😂

It would be interesting to go through game by game with the xG but that maybe too long for 1 video

the fact that chelsea got destroyed by this team shows why tuchel's sacking was actually a good move.

The most interesting takeaway is Leeds can hang with the elite clubs but struggle against their peers in the table. One obvious problem early in the season was Marsch's substitution strategy which contributed to fading in the second half. He was reactive and late, especially against Southampton in the heat. All 5 subs need to make an impact. Tactically he needs a bit of Graham Potter flexibility. Leeds has bottom half talent - with a few notable exceptions- and mid table potential. But Leeds doesn't have a lot of room for error. The new substitution rules could use the Tifo treatment- who has benefitted?

To answer the question posed at the end, I don't think that this playing style is a particularly good one for a team with a low budget and lesser depth compared to other EPL sides. I think they have gotten unlucky with some poor finishing and don't deserve to be in the relegation zone, but I don't see this playing style working out unless they invest more money into the squad this January. Generally I think that a team in Leeds position should be trying to play a more defensive style as they haven't got any good strikers.

the theory is fine and would work if we had : A individual fitness B skills necessary for the Premiership. If we are playing the likes of Firpo who doesn't have A and B. Bamford who is A...the list goes on. In the Premiership you cant afford to have any players in either of these categories but we have half the team who are just not good enough.

Can you make a video how Manchester City won 4 out 5 premier league titles while playing football and Delph Zinchenko at left back

Looking snazzy in that shirt Jon. Can you play left-back?

I’m going to Anfield today I really hope I bump into you for a chat, I have been trying to comment on some of these KZfaqrs Channels and trying to convince them that not all is doom and gloom if there are a few tweaks made we do actually have a good team so there is no need asking for a managerial sacking or boardroom lynching which would be disastrous. We need to give the manager time to see if he knows how to react and.If you do know anything about football, watch this video for example, you’ll obviously see those naysayers and panic merchants are wrong.

I assume leeds will be getting on the phone with tifo shortly to inquire about a new manager

The main thing I’ve always seen (get ready for some cutting tactical analysis) is that they lack someone to stick the ball in the net. Bamford would be just about passable if he was never an a jury doubt, having to carry an already profligate striker as he regains form is too much for a team without deadly wings or midfield.

Dont like Leeds one bit but this kit is class

Looking at all these numbers and tables, i find very unfair the Wolves sacked Lage, they hugely underperfomed