Say this as mace windo is more funny than it should be.

Jedi angry mode activated

Oh so that’s why the Jedi wanted to intervene I thought it was just cause they were Republic puppets

"shit, nerf herder, that's all you had to say"

@@battlesheep2552 Gotta love Sam Jackson.

yep

That is a cool Star Wars fact.

Palpatine wasn’t gonna let that shit happen lmao

There are two reasons that didn't happen. One, the Republic lacked much in terms of experienced combat personnel in general, leading them to pulling in the Jedi into such roles. Two, the CIS had few who could match Jedi, thus reducing the need for the Jedi to gang up.

It would've been better for the Jedi. But Sheev would have done something sketchy to not allow it...

Puts a whole new meaning to “JUST LIKE THE SIMULATIONS!”

“Everything has transpired, according to *MY* design!”

Yep, the sith weakened the Jedi order first and then had a swift and final blow.

Their was over 10,000 Jedi, geonosis only saw like 150 or so died

@@geetslys wait in the beginning of the video were you saying that only 200 fully trained jedi were alive BEFORE order 66 or afterwards? A bit unclear

I understood that reference.

it's been nearly 20 years and I still feel bad for the guy

Something that I want to see is a live action General Grievous who is slaughtering Jedi left and right, like in the 2003 series, while still being voiced by Matthew Wood!

Grievous was really about that life in legends

Sha'a Gi: Like man, there is no way I'm going out there to face that cyborg. Ki-Aid-Mundi: Would you do it for a Scooby Snack. Sha'a Gi: Your mine Grevious! (Charges in and gets crushed).

It also didn’t help that the Jedi were hemorrhaging members as Jedi were dying on the battlefield left and right, and as the war dragged on, they gradually lost the ability to replace the fallen. To the point that children were being thrown into combat.

@@nicholashill6314 and on top of that ,let’s just say that those children’s lightsabers became fine additions to a certain generals collection

Well it was also a Surprise Attack, which was THE BEST way to murder Jedi. It was near instant, and frequently the Jedi were ALREADY distracted by the enemy in front of them. Few Jedi would be in a position to BOTH See/Sense the attack Coming, AND have the time to react. Even if the Jedi weren't distracted by Combat, they could have had their Lightsaber too far away. Like Shower/Bath, Sleeping, etc. An of course the Jedi would have had a bunch of PTSD and weary of combat. Weary of being on the Front Lines. Morale was getting lower all the time. With a War that had ZERO end in sight, thanks to The Emperor controlling BOTH sides. An with their enemy being Droids, it wasn't like losing their best members was that harmful. Doubly so when at least 1 Droid could escape or transmit Data for Future Upgrades. Meanwhile when you lost a Jedi you could not quickly or easily replace one of that level of Skill, like you could a Droid. After all, it's not like every Padawan could replace a Jedi Knight or Master of the same power so quickly. You could only progress Jedi Learners & Padawans so fast, as a problem of Organics.

I’m pretty sure it would’ve worked in geonosis since not only do they have to deal with the droids but also the clones

@@Deathmare235 There was only a small fraction of the Jedi there. Height of their power. Weren't even seriously trusted. etc. It would have been FAR too Early Game to do something like that. Meanwhile Order 66 targets ALMOST Every Single Jedi in the GALAXY!

Well, Anakin also a) had a way stronger connection to the force than all the others (so even as a pure lightsider he wouldn't have easily been deafened!), not to mention that b) he did use the darkside rather frequently (the others might not have seen it, but frankly: Anakin enjoyed fighting and taking risks etc.) so that also strengthened his connection, so Anakin was able to perform up to standard despite being in the thick of it...hell, most Jedi who survived until order 66 were the stronger and more well trained and skilled! Most pure diplomats had died by that point (hell, on Geonosis the strike team led by Windu also lost all of its weaker members, those who more or less only carried a lightsaber as a badge of membership of the jedi order! The one proficient in its use survived Geonosis! Hell, that Jango Fett could simply gun down a jedi shows that some of them aren't cut out to be fighters at all!)

@@dreamingflurry2729 how many times did u say hell 👀

@@dreamingflurry2729 Anakin didn't use the Dark Side much....but he WAS borderline a lot. He was powerful, but had many tedencies that would make it easy for him to Fall, given the right Motivation/Circumstance. But he was NEVER a Dark Jedi before Ep 3. The ironic part is that Padme had the power to stop Anakin's Transformation and save her Future Self. "Oh yeah I commited Genocide against the Sand People, because they murdered my Mom! So I klilled the Men, Women, AND CHILDREN!" "Oh God Anakain that's fucked up. Oh well, you're rather hot and I like you, so I'll quickly forgive you and NEVER speak of this Atrocity to Obi-Wan - the ONLY Jedi I can trust who knows our Secret!" Like what kind of person hears someone MURDER a large group of children and go "You know what? This is NOT something i should report or talk to ANYONE about EVER!"

@@TheAyanamiRei .... tuskans... what else is there to say?

@@TheAyanamiRei well, they did kill and rape his mom, and murdered a large portion of the rescue team that went to help her, so to put it lightly… tuskens are savages plain and simple.

Well, the Republic was dumb enough to disband its armed forces (the Judicials weren't well equipped or armed and thus were at best a police force!) and the jedi either let it happen (Disney Wars canon) or actively made it happen (EU/Legends - True canon!) with the Ruusan Reformation, that disbanded the Army of Light and even the Jedi Starfighter Corps!

Clone wars retconned her original death on Felucia (while also destroying her character in the process. One of filoni’s absolute worst fuckups.

@@thecollector4332 Well, it is possible that later episodes would have explored what in the hell happened to her that caused her drastic change in personality. Then again, Senator Chu-chi was also set to be killed in one of the later episodes so...

The Rule of Two meant that each Sith Lord had to be strong enough to overthrow their master, or die trying. Over centuries you eventually get Palpatine. Meanwhile the Jedi had become weak and complacent.

This was NOT the first time a Dark Side user hid in plain sight. There was one who hid openly amongst the Jedi They knew the Emperor was bad...but not a Dark Side User. The Emperor was on par or higher than Yoda. Only with insane political skills that Yoda and the Jedi lacked. Plus there was never enough proof until it was too late. The Emperor wasn't a nobody or even a normal politician. He was basically a President or Prime Minister. Even if they were almost positive, if they were wrong and it was a trick...they lose. If they are successful, but can't find proof then they become seen as a bigger Galactic Criminal Force than the Hutt.

@@tonyfriendly4409 Honestly it was not their military complacency that made them lose. It was that they didn't serve the Force Itself. They also removed themselves from Politics, which was their ultimate downfall. They allowed Corruption to Fester and Grow. They had almost no political influence or power... unlike the Emperor. An this isn't the first time a Dark Sider his from the Jedi in plain view over and over again. The biggest issue is they could ONLY react, NEVER truly able to plan and get ahead. Never able to deal a decisive blow, as blocked by The Jedi's highest political ruler.

@@TheAyanamiRei true

@@omegon2540 Yeah I mean Palpatine even lays out his plan in a Reverse Scooby Doo way!! "I NEVER would have been able to get away with it, if you pesky Jedi hadn't removed yourself from politics!!" Now, Palpatine's Master, HE could have found a way to defeat the Jedi WITHOUT Politics, due to his Mastery over Science via The Force. Not to mention perfecting True Immortality and such. An who knows WHAT he would have been capable of, had he been able to get his hands of Anakin for Experimentation, or at least his DNA.

Yoda and many of the jedi are stated to be incompetent due to dark side energy, not just from the dark side nexus beneath the jedi temple but also from palpatine being so close, both of which clouded their judgement, plus due to the destruction of the jedi order being fate I'm sure jedi that could feel the will of the force saw that the jedi were supposed to be in the war, the real reason unbeknownst to them of course

I mean he was a wise monk, not a general who spent years training to win wars.

He did lead the clone army to victory until their betrayal, did he not? Anyone can be blind to deception.

Yes, and add to that tremendous losses for civilians (on BOTH sides) or neutral forces (independent or semi-independent planets) stuck in between the fighting, and suddenly the fight against "evil droids" seem less and less ok with each passing moment.

Well they would also lose the Clone Troopers too. Which was a loss of life which they felt strongly. Not to mention War in general is terrible for the human Psyche. Add in to some of their members falling. The constant stress. Being thrown in at a young age for many. etc. it would have been a LOT of stress and pressure.

Although almost all of the ground forces and starfighters were droids, there were fair number of organics in the CIS getting killed. Their warships still had living command crews and many ground contingents had organic officers.

@@dark7element I didn't know that! Though it's not like Jedi weren't allowed to kill, it was just something seen as something to avoid typically. They wanted to be more Peace Keepers than Vigilantes. Not to mention in that case they had little choice in the matter frequently.

I don’t consider that canon I follow legends.

This is why I love Luke’s new Jedi order in legends they didn’t do what the old Jedi order failed to do not allow emotion and have more restrictions unlike Luke’s which was balanced

@@julianG1212 Like the crying mountain?

@@davidordaz5251 Did Legends ever allowed Force Users to make wormholes?

@@hunterkiller1440 Read Dark Empire.

Lord sidious : *find more Jedi*

Dew it

There was a thing I saw where a couple of Clone Troopers had interferences with The Emperor's Signal Command for Order 66, and they thought it was Order 69. P hilarious.

@@TheAyanamiRei what exactly is order 69

@@chaoticclonestudios If you have to ask, you're too young to know. Lmao.

It might've if they were still using the old temples and enclaves, like the one on Dantooine from KOTOR, during the clone wars. The one temple can only hold so many Jedi

maybe they did, before they dropped to 10,000 over the course of the Clone Wars

Make it better there were so few...the galaxy was massive and tens of thousands of systems and planets abound. Jedi Knights were known but rarely seen before the clone wars. They were Religious warrior monks that harnessed incredible powers. Most civilians never had seen a Jedi before, some hadn't even heard of em.

We know in the distant past, at least, that the Jedi used to be far more numerous, because even putting aside implict details from the New Sith Wars and such, there is explict mention in the TPM novelization of 'billions' of Jedi Knight journals being archived. Considering how long the Jedi and Republic have been around for, and depending on just how many billions that is, well...

@@Mister_Matt No, the battle of Geonosis, the clone wars, and even adding Dooku and Grievous themselves, could not have killed that many jedis. More realistically, before Geonosis, the Jedis were already in the tens of thousands order of magnitude, though more than 10 000. 20 000? 40 000? Hard to tell. But certainly not hundreds of thousands and even less millions.

He wasn’t really even a Jedi, He was a sith in disguise

@@NotNormal654 well that what happens when a Jedi Falls to the dark side. Many Jedi that fall to the dark side often become excellent Sith Lords due to quality of Jedi training and high quality of Force senstives.

@@NotNormal654 dark side force user, but not a sith

Second! :) - Hell, that the survivors were going silently into the night is something that infuriates me, especially Yoda and Obi-Fail (yes: I dislike the character, because he wasn't man enough to end Anakin!) foisting off the job of taking care of Vader and the Emperor on Luke! Damned, Luke was an innocent, that he was force sensitive and being the son of Anakin Skywalker didn't in any way, shape or form make that his responsibility! That was the Jedi's fuckup and their responsibility to clean up! In fact they should have done everything in their power to end the Emperor (even crashing a Star Destroyer into his palace etc. - Everything goes in this case, except not taking responsibility!)

I second this motion.

This is where democracy dies, with thunderous applause

This comment is gold

The problem was that the Separatists had lost their two main front-lime leaders. Losing the Count and the General removed a huge driving force that the Separatists could rally behind, especially as many of their decorated leaders were dead. Without a replacement leader, the Separatists were doomed to petty infighting and incompetent leaders. More importantly, Palpatine had lost nearly all of his Jedi Killers at that point. While a few more might have died in the fighting, the war was as good as over at that point. The war might have been able to stretch for another year or two with sheer combat strength, but the Separatist Council and the true leaders knew there was no winning. Palpatine knew this all too well.

@@shade8816 In my scenario there would never be a Battle of Coruscant so Dooku would survive. Grievous was more expendable, they could always remake Maul or some fallen jedi into the next figure of terror. Slowly corrupt more jedi like Pong Krell, maybe even get a few of those on the council. Drag it on for a decade or 2.

More actually, cos of war crimes committed by the separatists

It was BOTH. The War was just the best way to kill the Jedi since he could do it the best. The only way to get Ultimate Political Power is through War as we saw. But ONLY The Jedi were strong enough to REMOVE him from Power. Doubly so after he showed he was NOT a benevolent dictator, but an evil one.

They could have even overthrown Palpatine

For sure

Short answer: Maybe. Long answer: No. The Jedi, when order 66 was enacted had no army to back them up. Planets with droids present were enemies. Planets with clones present were enemies. Even planets with relatively neutral powers like planets controlled by the Hutts were enemies. Armies, sympathetic to the Jedi such as the Wookies and the Naboo Defense Force were localized and better suited to planetary defense/policing said worlds. And in older lore, Kashyyyk and Naboo very quickly came under Imperial clone assault to destroy some remnant Jedi. The reason for the short answer being maybe is because theoretically, the Jedi could retreat from galactic affairs, as they tried to during the Mandalorian wars, if they were co-ordinated as this scenario suggests. But ultimately, given the long answer is no and the reasons detailed above, the Jedi would eventually be overwhelmed and massacred by a nearly endless imperial military if any attempt to brazenly resist the rise of the Empire was attempted. The war was lost, the moment the Jedi decided to use the clone army. If they didn't accept the clone army, then the nearly endless droid armies would overrun the Republic and the Jedi would be wiped out either way. It was a no-win scenario. The only chance they had to avert the demise of the Jedi in my view was for Dooku to realize his stupidity and reveal that Palpatine was a Sith Lord before he, himself was used to commission the clone army. Dooku held Palpatine's plan together after the unintentional 'loss' of Maul jeopardized it. Although, what Palpatine's plan was, if Maul wasn't defeated on Naboo is not clear because Maul didn't have Dooku's charisma.

@@Dalek7823 This....basically neigh-on perfectly summarizes the situation of the Clone Wars for the Jedi. They were in, to burrow a term from another franchise, a Kobayashi Maru. There was no winning, just different degrees of defeat. I would actually go even further and say the Jedi virtually lost the moment Palpatine became Supreme Chancellor. Everything after that was just finalizing the details. The only real contention I have is that Maul almost certainly was intended to fulfill Dooku's role. He doesn't display overly much personality at all, nevermind charisma, in TPM, and still doesn't show much of the latter during most of the material set before the Clone Wars, but TCW has shown quite convincingly that he can be charismatic and cunning when he needs to. Desoure popular belief for many, many years, Maul wasn't just a blind brutish assassin, meant to be fired like a missile and forgotten just as fast.

@@papapalps2415 You're right, Maul did have charisma but I don't think it was the type of charisma needed to hold a vast number of star systems together. Dooku was a respected speaker. The type you'd invite to speak at dinner parties. Maul didn't really possess that quality, he could certainly be charming though as evidenced during TCW, yes. So thinking on it further, I'd suggest that Palpatine's plan if Maul wasn't defeated on Naboo would be to assassinate the council members one by one using Maul to destabilize the Jedi. Sending Maul to Tatooine then Naboo was Palpatine beta testing this plan and if Maul was able to defeat Qui-gon, one of the strongest swordsmen of the order then he could potentially take down a good number of the order's Jedi council 1 by 1.

The Republic, too, and it's not the first time for either. Every time either is struck down, it turns out to be better that way in the long run. Wonder if that means anything...

@@samueldimmock694 I mean, at least in legends the Republic wasn’t really better after the empire than it was before

@@robertcremin3291 Not at first, but it was on the way down pre-Empire and on the way up post-Empire. More or less. I think. And the Yuuzhan Vong might have stopped that, so it may not have really mattered.

It's possible he might have won had the battle simply been fought on level ground.

Good point. And the Clone Wars mean the average galactic citizen welcomes the Empire as it promises to deliver peace and order. Yes there will be protests (Tarkin doctrine) so Palpatine plans to use terror to crush descent, but he needs a period of grace to build his ultimate weapon.

The Jedi essentially misinterpreted the prophecy which I believe was given by the old je'dai the actual meaning would have been to destroy both the jedi and sith to bring balance to the force even the sith had their version.

Until he didn’t, since “Somehow Palpatine returned”.

@@Alec11_43 he did bring back balance to the force and killed Palpatine in episode 6 since their only 6 films

@@davidordaz5251 Oh yeah, I don’t know what I was talking about there; weird. Thank goodness that never happened(in either continuity).

@@Alec11_43 haha yeah

Of non-combatants? Probably higher under the CIS from General Grevious alone. Dude turned a planet into an ash heap for kicks.

Sure, there is high probability of truth to that, but not just because of General Grievous, @@CollinMcLean. Rivalries & Old Grudges were so strong then, that powder keg was bound to blow. Again, I expressed ratios, not specific numbers, except in sums & further breakdowns and such…

The Republic also turned cis planets to Ash.

@@matthiuskoenig3378 As far as I'm aware, no, they didn't, or at least, never intentionally. The same cannot be said for the CIS, based off instances like Humbarine.